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10 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Therefore, to those witnesses wanting to stick their two cents where it doesn’t belong, get off it! You’re neither qualified as an expert nor qualified under the directions of scripture.

For ex-witnesses trying to change the argument now, the Watchtower hide those accounts when the BOE letters state otherwise, learn to understand humanity starting with you first before thinking your opinion matters.

I think that these last two posts of yours are informative and thought provoking. I can't say whether I completely agree with your conclusions because I can't figure out your actual position on some of the material you included. But I thought the input was useful at any rate.

I agree that even us non-experts, like you and me and others, are not qualified as experts, nor are any of us completely qualified under the directions of scripture. But I don't think that should stop you or me or others from wanting to stick our two cents in. A discussion forum means any of us should be able to stick in our two cents because a discussion forum is exactly where those opinions belong. You don't have to be an expert, and I'm sure that like me, you aren't, and yet your opinion should matter.

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Thanks for the insight.  I never thought of it that way. The Baptism is an outward symbol of a dedication ALREADY MADE IN IT'S TOTALITY. Whatever you dedicated to Jehovah God is between you

I believe the last major change was in 1985. Any Baptisms before that you did not swear legal fealty to the Organization. After 1985, having subordinated yourself to the Corporation, you had

Does not matter a jot. The baptism is a symbol of the candidate's dedication, not that of the baptiser.  If any words are spoken at all, they should be spoken by the one submitting to baptism, an

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18 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Quite how you have managed to morph a discussion on baptism questions into one on handling of Child Abuse allegations would be an interesting study in itself, but not one I have the inclination to unravel at this point of time.

Anyway, if the topic manages to get back on track and any further points meriting discussion appear, I will be back. But for now, excuse me if I turn to other areas of interest. :)

Some participants  made comments on this and on that, what "helped" or contributing to going in some sort of different subjects.

But, at the end of any subject or issue we speaking, about WT Society and JW Organization actions, ending exactly in this wording - "In the name of .....", because, in declarative way, everything what this Organization doing and speaking, supposedly IT IS in The Name of .....GOD. :)).

 

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2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Suddenly the Watchtower needed to be cops, psychologist, therapist, etc to appease the world and the critics within the Watchtower. They never claimed such expertise, you did! Therefore, they cannot add something that was "forced' upon the Watchtower. 😉

Needed to be? WT Representatives aka Elders already acting in similar kind. They, according to WT articles, fulfill the role of those who are:   

The shepherds and dukes (or, “princes,” NEB) in this implausible army are the congregation elders. (1 Pet. 5:2) Today, Jehovah certainly has provided an abundance of spiritual men to shepherd his precious sheep, to strengthen his people for the future attack of the modern-day “Assyrian.”     

Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) The most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of “the Assyrian” is that of strengthening our faith in God and helping our brothers to do the same. (2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. The elders must stand ready to help any who may now be wavering in their faith.https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/seven-shepherds-eight-dukes/

3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

They never claimed such expertise

Article claimed how GB (Organization) will provide Life-Saving Direction through Elders. And Elders must stand ready to help...... Well, somebody here have Expertise of sort :)))

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