JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

[Witness]

2 hours ago, Witness said:

Apparently, this crazy endeavor of Rutherford's, is excused because the house "fully served its purpose", as a "monument" "that there there might be tangible proof of a belief held out by JWs today.  

The Bible's promises were not enough to put faith in.  

I'm borrowing a good scripture used on another topic, that appropriately fits Watchtower's own meager attempt to portray  Rutherford's antics as having a valid purpose; also Rutherford's spiritual state of mind when producing this purposeful "monument". 

They know God, but they do not give him the honor that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.  Rom 1:21

If someone's mind is filled with such insane darkness, can it also contain the authentic light of truth? 

Do not try to work together as equals with unbelievers, for it cannot be done. How can right and wrong be partners? How can light and darkness live together?  2 Cor 6:14

Does any JW here realize Rutherford was a false prophet?  And, can a false prophet aid in the "restoration of first-century Christianity"?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

2 hours ago, Witness said:

They know God, but they do not give him the honor that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.  Rom 1:21

Well, according to WT published evidence there are few "not faithful and discreet" reasons for San Diego Beth-Sarim house: 

1) Rutherford had a severe case of pneumonia ...

2) Under a doctor’s treatment, he went to San Diego, California, and the doctor urged him to spend as much time as possible there. 

3) Rutherford and his companion brothers have had religious fixation (persistent thought) about Kingdom and resurrection of past people based on fiction.

4) Explanation in magazine speaking how house fully served its purpose, but they must sell this too much expensive  "monument". We see how "Purpose" of that building has nothing with real spirituality as Jesus presented it, in his life time on Earth.  

5) Footnote in WT magazine said: At the time, it was believed ... This is one more prove in lines of proves, how WT Society and people who run this Organization, inventing teachings and doctrines. 

[TrueTomHarley]

2 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

5) Footnote in WT magazine said: At the time, it was believed ... This is one more prove in lines of proves, how WT Society and people who run this Organization, inventing teachings and doctrines. 

What it proves is that when it is clear they have erred, interpreting scripture incorrectly, they admit it in print and move on—the very opposite of the line you and Witness are peddling that they hide their mistakes at all costs.

The only one who says that it is impermissible for humans to err is you. They have never taken that position.

[Witness]

TTH:  "What it proves is that when it is clear they have erred, interpreting scripture incorrectly, they admit it in print and move on—the very opposite of the line you and Witness are peddling that they hide their mistakes at all costs."

Oh! So it was really a ‘monumental’ ERROR!  That makes more sense and certainly is backed up by the newspaper articles that I never knew about while a JW.  The Proclaimer's Book "proclaims" only the bare bones, purposefully skipping the embarrassing meat of the story.   

"The only one who says that it is impermissible for humans to err is you. They have never taken that position."

Yesterday, prophetic failures were blamed on the members who took any stock in their teachings. Today, they admit that they make mistakes from time to time...

1 - because God never "inspired" them.

2 - because Jesus never promised them perfect food. 

But, yeah, they make mistakes, because of God and Jesus.  Apparently, God and Christ made them error.  What a childlike excuse.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Witness]

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Explanation in magazine speaking how house fully served its purpose, but they must sell this too much expensive  "monument". We see how "Purpose" of that building has nothing with real spirituality as Jesus presented it, in his life time on Earth.  

…because if it did have an everlasting spiritual purpose, they would have held onto it no matter the cost. It’s sort of like other WT buildings dedicated to God, for the life of their use.  No authentic spirituality is involved, except for a deceitful one. 

3 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Footnote in WT magazine said: At the time, it was believed ... This is one more prove in lines of proves, how WT Society and people who run this Organization, inventing teachings and doctrines. 

If a JW went rogue in the congregation, “inventing teachings and doctrines” which none really, could compare to Rutherford and Russell’s teachings,  that one would no longer be called a “brother”.  He would be removed.  Yet, Russel and Rutherford, the backbones leading to the birth of the organization are respected Brothers, leaders. If today’s “faithful and discreet slave” supports its historical false teachers, by highlighting their material (in a selective way and to their own advantage), are they not also false teachers themselves, by advocating these men as stalwart and faithful individuals, who enhance the organization today?  

[divergenceKO]

22 hours ago, Witness said:

Something to be proud of?... 

The interview with J.F. Rutherford that appeared
in the San Diego Sun, March 15, 1930

Interesting opinions on a subject those who wrote these pieces weren’t that familiar with scripture. I guess they just needed fillers.

Should anyone calling themselves Christian go against Jesus works just to satisfy their own ambition?

James Chapter 4

¹¹ Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of [his] brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

¹² There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

This should be enough proof, how Satan is in command by those he chooses as puppets.

[Witness]

6 hours ago, divergenceKO said:

Interesting opinions on a subject those who wrote these pieces weren’t that familiar with scripture. I guess they just needed fillers.

Should anyone calling themselves Christian go against Jesus works just to satisfy their own ambition?

Sir, surely you know that God’s Word does not adhere to folly; but rather, condemns it. 

Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
    or you yourself will be just like him.  Prov 26:4

I saw that wisdom is better than folly, just as light is better than darkness.  Eccl 2:13

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.  Eph 5:11

Then the Lord said, “These prophets are telling lies in my name. I did not send them or tell them to speak. I did not give them any messages. They prophesy of visions and revelations they have never seen or heard. They speak foolishness made up in their own lying hearts.  Jer 14:14

 

 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

12 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The only one who says that it is impermissible for humans to err is you.

:))) Tom, The Only One who says you have to obey err is WT Society. 

[Equivocation]

@TrueTomHarley Unfortunately some forget that imperfect man can err and or just simply ignore the fact to make a lowkey not as educated statement.

What I do find ironic is that someone people don't agree with a lot of the opposers and even some of them are against one another. 

Annnnnnd there are those who don't understand what "Christian" means too jajaja.

[Srecko Sostar]

21 hours ago, divergenceKO said:

On 9/27/2019 at 10:30 PM, Witness said:

The interview with J.F. Rutherford that appeared
in the San Diego Sun, March 15, 1930

Interesting opinions on a subject those who wrote these pieces weren’t that familiar with scripture.

I think how we don't need to have high expectations from San Diego Sun reporter to be "familiar" with Scripture. But that is of no surprise, because Judge Rutherford showed lack of "familiarity" with Scripture too, when he made plans to build Beth-Sarim.

"He that speaketh evil of his brother, judgeth his brother; speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law" - James 4

I would go a little further with meaning of this verse you used, and not with obvious verbatim understanding about "not judging other people". Wording "The Law" have wider meaning and not just God's command about what is forbidden and what is allowed to do. "The Law" is in fact entire content of Bible in which is reflection of God's thoughts, wisdom, prophets, lessons, His will, past and future. 

In that context of wider picture about Word He gave in Bible, i would say how misinterpretation made by anyone, or in this example by WT Society, and particularly by 3rd President of WT, "Judge Rutherford", who gave wrong meaning to Bible verses, we see how he has done exactly what you emphasized is bad. Judge Rutherford is that one who "judged the law" with his absolutely false proclamation (if you want, read this as apostate or perhaps demonic inspired revelation) about "Ancient Princes" who will soon be resurrected and come to be his guest in Beth-Sarim. What is the point:

1)  he "judged the law" by giving false meaning to words of God.

2)  he (and other under his influence) "judged his brothers" who were not accepted his teachings, in that period.  

Conclusion we can make today is similar. If GB "judging the law" with error, wrong, false interpretations and "judge you" if you are not willing to accept such ideology, than we have clear picture of  modern fulfillment on James 4. :))

[Witness]

4 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Unfortunately some forget that imperfect man can err and or just simply ignore the fact to make a lowkey not as educated statement.

Would you call this an “educated statement”?

On 9/27/2019 at 1:30 PM, Witness said:

The seven famous men will not have long to rest at their San Diego estate because they soon will lead the forces of the Lord to vanquish the minions of Satan at the battle of Armageddon, Rutherford believed. 'But they will win out. The Lord will punish the devil and will show that the preachers and the politicians have been giving the people false counsel,' Rutherford said confidently.

We’re talking about a religious leader of “Israel”, who is to represent God in truth.  JWs were to respect this individual, as well as his teachings.  Are you saying man’s word trumps God’s word?  When does God’s word trump man’s?  When a church in “Christendom” utters a prophesy that fails to come true?

Although you believe all the historical failed doctrine are errors that are to be forgiven, God’s word takes a different view when it comes to His people.

But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in My name or who speaks in the name of another god must die.’

²¹ “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ ²² If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but His prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without My authority and need not be feared.  Deut 18:20-22

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[Arauna]

On 9/27/2019 at 10:47 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

trivial pursuit.

Full justice in this world is not possible. And those who feel entitled to wrongdoing and still be accepted as brothers will be the first to cry "injustice".  

Thanks to Jehovah,  in his wisdom he will be the final judge and compensator.  If you were really treated unfairly - he will compensate you - that is if you really believe he exists and is the rewarder of unselfish suffering.