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What I’d like to know since the discussion is now focused on providing for family, what does Acts 6:3 have to do with 1 Timothy 5:8 that, Christians need to apply in everyday life.

Another, what does Acts 6:3 have to do with antiquated technology. Technological corporations since 1974 started to consider the riches from downsizing a computer room to an office desk. Technology is a revolving door that not all nations get to update. Some government offices still run under Windows 2000 and Windows XP with 20 year old computers. You would think, governments would be worried about security not typesetting.

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On 11/9/2019 at 8:39 AM, Tom Henry said:

what does Acts 6:3 have to do with antiquated technology

Or technology per se?

The scripture spoke of a time when men who were delegated to care for mundane tasks required spiritual and secular qualifications in view of the context of their work. This required appropriate selection.

Similarly today, secular background is required to implement technical solutions for spiritual tasks effectively. The acquisition of secular skills is sometimes erroneously viewed as antithetical to spiritual endeavour. Therefore an important and enlightened balance needs to be achieved and maintained to avoid waste. This of course will have to incorporate the principles of Ex.35:30-35.

Quite a challenge, but apparently met is my observation.

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On 11/7/2019 at 3:59 PM, JW Insider said:

but the Society has learned through very expensive mistakes, to give them leadership roles in these teams.

All the redrawing and reshuffling of boundaries and the sell off of some Kingdom Halls and the merging of some congregations is probably because a few financial experts were finally allowed to sit down and ascertain the efficiency (or lack of) of the way Kingdom Halls were being used. They called it equalizing. When I hear brothers say that obeying the restructuring, and cooperating with moving to different halls is obeying Jehovah, (was also in a video) I can't help wondering why they don't just say it's because it saves money. Why bring Jehovah into it and make people feel like they're sinning against Him if they don't cooperate. 

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8 hours ago, Anna said:

why they don't just say it's because it saves money

"Better use of dedicated funds" is a phrase I hear frequently. Isn't that more appropriate? "Saving" money implies hoarding it up somewhere. I think we are more in the business of using resources aren't we?. Compare Matt.25:24-27 😊

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9 hours ago, Anna said:

All the redrawing and reshuffling of boundaries and the sell off of some Kingdom Halls and the merging of some congregations is probably because a few financial experts were finally allowed to sit down and ascertain the efficiency (or lack of) of the way Kingdom Halls were being used. They called it equalizing. When I hear brothers say that obeying the restructuring, and cooperating with moving to different halls is obeying Jehovah, (was also in a video) I can't help wondering why they don't just say it's because it saves money. Why bring Jehovah into it and make people feel like they're sinning against Him if they don't cooperate. 

Because it's a mind controlling technique to brainwash you into believing that the governing body is Jehovah. It is good that you are questioning their tactics.

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6 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

You cannot economically justify having a baby ... but willy-nilly ... people DO have babies.

Some things are more important than economic justification.

So why do those in charge decide to close Kingdom Halls, which then make it more difficult for many people to get to the 'new location' ? And why does the Org forbid the idea of having minibuses in congregations to take the elderly and perhaps the poorer families to meetings ? (And the use of such might also be good for the environment). I think this shows a lack of love toward the 'flock'. Don't the scriptures tell us to 'look after widows and orphans' ? And shouldn't that be on a regular basis ?  Not everyone has a seven seater car to pick people up in :).   I also think that making people travel further to meetings does not encourage the new ones to go to meetings. 

 

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2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

 I also think that making people travel further to meetings does not encourage the new ones to go to meetings. 

There should be Kingdom Halls on every street corner, like gas stations, only more so.

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2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

why do those in charge decide to close Kingdom Halls,

Wasted resource. Mostly empty. etc,etc,etc. .Fill 'em, share 'em, or shut 'em.....what's the problem? These are not churches.

2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

why does the Org forbid the idea of having minibuses in congregations

Anyone can have a minibus?  Where on earth do you live??

2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

making people travel further to meetings does not encourage the new ones to go to meetings. 

True Christians travel as far as it takes to get to meetings...and help others to get there too. Where on earth do you live??

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46 minutes ago, Outta Here said:

Wasted resource. Mostly empty. etc,etc,etc. .Fill 'em, share 'em, or shut 'em.....what's the problem? These are not churches.

Anyone can have a minibus?  Where on earth do you live??

True Christians travel as far as it takes to get to meetings...and help others to get there too. Where on earth do you live??

Um, empty K H's when the Governing Body say we are so close to the 'end of this system'. I thought there was supposed to be a massive influx near the end, not empty K H's. 

Actually it is quite difficult for a private person to get insurance for a minibus here in the UK.  The government seem to think it has to be for business use. And congregations will not support the running of a minibus, and elders make that clear. 

As for 'true Christians' travelling as far as it takes. That is not a loving thought. I know of older brothers and sisters that cannot drive in the dark. I think that here in the UK half of every congregation is old people. So where is this love that should abound in the 'truth' ?  

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    • My donations are always by check, and written thereon is "for local needs". It's like paying taxes, some of which are used to make hydrogen bombs, and ICBMs. Not my problem. Jesus and the Apostles needed NONE of those things you mentioned, Arauna. If you are NOT inspired of God, as the GB admits they are not ( February 2017 Watchtower), you do need all of those things you mentioned. They are actually essential, as I would freely admit. .... and HEY!, I am just guessing about all of this ... as is everyone else. And Arauna .... did you get NOTHING out of the "Follow Jesus" Assemblies? Jesus set the example . We are either following that example, or ..... WE ARE NOT. The fact of the matter is that the GB DOES use the billions for their own purposes. but, I am, as you stated, "no one to criticize" ... as I do not follow Jesus' example either. If I had that kind of money, I would buy a Chinook double rotor helicopter, instead of Rolex watches, and cartoons of Caleb and Sophia, etc. uh ... for Witnessing on beautiful Pacific Islands, of course ....    
    • Just one question for you:  when you go to meeting or field service you get to use many videos that were made to be easily accessible for all ages and peoples.  Do you have any clue what equipment costs?   Many poor congregations in Africa receive projectors from the organization because they cannot afford it. They do still print bibles and watchtowers etc. Do you think they must remain in the Jurassic age when it comes to using technology or will it be ok by you if they venture to use the newest tech to support the brothers? You have a budget to fulfill your responsibilities at home.....dont you?  Why not broaden out and see that they also need money to provide services in almost 1000 languages?   I think we need a little more gratitude and less criticism...  ALL you see is "billions" which you try to imply are used for their own purposes....  They are always in need of funds to make it stretch further..... because we do get all our spiritual needs fulfilled without cost.  You need not give any donation if you feel they waste it.  You can use all amenities without giving a dime!   
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