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27 minutes ago, Anna said:

I bumped into a couple of single sisters from said KH and they seemed to be pretty happy in their new one. But who knows what the reason is....new hunting grounds perhaps?

The expression, I believe, is “fellowshopping.” They had disfellowshopped the old place out.

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I have not experienced where the organization has told anyone what they should do with their money. Contribute, yes, how much no! Perhaps I’m attending the wrong Watchtower.

Does any witness need to get a second job to contribute, no. Are there witnesses that have a second job to expand themselves beyond their means, yes? Are there witnesses that have a second and third job in order to support their family needs, yes. Not everyone was forged with the economic ease as certain people might. Are those better off in the organization better than anyone else, no.

It seems the message of riches is being lost with what scripture meant as a simple life. The organization has advised witnesses to prepare themselves financially in case of an emergency. Doesn’t that imply, saving money and using money wisely just in case?

*** g 6/14 p. 15 How to Control Spending ***

DAVID AND NATALEINE

“Plan ahead. Don’t assume that all the money you have in the bank is available to spend. If you don’t keep money in reserve, you’ll never be prepared for emergencies, such as car repairs.

Wouldn’t that spiritual food be in line with scripture?

Luke 14:28

28 “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it?

I don’t see the difference when it comes to smart spending with the organization. I would be critical if it was just my money, but then again it isn’t. I have no doubt, there are better qualified people at the headquarters to handle the Watchtower financial portfolio than any ordinary witness.

The day each GB member sports a 10 million dollar mansion, or fly on a personal 15 million dollar jet, or have a 1 million dollar car to drive them 10 miles (ca. 16 km), then I will complain.

 

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44 minutes ago, Tom Henry said:

I have not experienced where the organization has told anyone what they should do with their money. Contribute, yes, how much no! Perhaps I’m attending the wrong Watchtower.

Does any witness need to get a second job to contribute, no. Are there witnesses that have a second job to expand themselves beyond their means, yes? Are there witnesses that have a second and third job in order to support their family needs, yes. Not everyone was forged with the economic ease as certain people might. Are those better off in the organization better than anyone else, no.

It seems the message of riches is being lost with what scripture meant as a simple life. The organization has advised witnesses to prepare themselves financially in case of an emergency. Doesn’t that imply, saving money and using money wisely just in case?

*** g 6/14 p. 15 How to Control Spending ***

DAVID AND NATALEINE

“Plan ahead. Don’t assume that all the money you have in the bank is available to spend. If you don’t keep money in reserve, you’ll never be prepared for emergencies, such as car repairs.

Wouldn’t that spiritual food be in line with scripture?

Luke 14:28

28 “Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Won’t you first sit down and estimate the cost to see if you have enough money to complete it?

I don’t see the difference when it comes to smart spending with the organization. I would be critical if it was just my money, but then again it isn’t. I have no doubt, there are better qualified people at the headquarters to handle the Watchtower financial portfolio than any ordinary witness.

The day each GB member sports a 10 million dollar mansion, or fly on a personal 15 million dollar jet, or have a 1 million dollar car to drive them 10 miles (ca. 16 km), then I will complain.

 

Um mansions you say. The  Org not having money people say. So tell me what this is all about please ? 

IBSA = JW Org / Watchtower soc'  Do ya wanna buy a mansion for over a million pounds ? 

https://ibsaproperty.com/ 

 

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22 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

a massive influx near the end, not empty K H's. 

Not of K Halls. Of people who love respond to the good news. Eventually. they will no longer come you know.... 

22 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

So where is this love that should abound in the 'truth' ?  

We have brothers who live 2 minutes from the KH and cannot get there. No one misses out where I come from. They can hear and watch on line and association is laid on for them. Brothers provide transport, not congregations. The important thing is for love to abound in your heart, and to be evident in deed and truth. You will not notice the lack in others if that is the case.What has happened to you?

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11 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Not of K Halls. Of people who love respond to the good news. Eventually. they will no longer come you know.... 

We have brothers who live 2 minutes from the KH and cannot get there. No one misses out where I come from. They can hear and watch on line and association is laid on for them. Brothers provide transport, not congregations. The important thing is for love to abound in your heart, and to be evident in deed and truth. You will not notice the lack in others if that is the case.What has happened to you?

Um, what has happened to me ?  Well I think my head has come out of the clouds and I am now seeing reality. 

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3 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

Um, what has happened to me ?  Well I think my head has come out of the clouds and I am now seeing reality. 

Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I feel like I need to comment on this. I am assuming you are at a stage what ex JW's call "waking up" . This is very misleading though because it implies you have been asleep, and now, by finding out all the stuff they have to say, you are getting "real" facts, whereas really, all it is (in the majority of cases) is them letting go of spirituality, and embracing a me only attitude. If that is the way someone wants to go, then they will find many "excuses" which make this transition easier. These people are no longer concerned about what God thinks, this is why the large majority of them have become atheists, because that's so much easier; they don't have to take God into account in what they do in life at all. That's what it's really about. So don't be mislead in thinking you will find enlightment, unless of course you prefer to forget about God, in which case you will agree with everything they say. But if you are concerned about what God thinks, then do your research and you will find that Jehovah's Witnesses, despite their failings and mistakes, are the only true religion, or as even a die hard critic like JTR would say: "Jehovah's Witnesses are the only game in town". 

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25 minutes ago, Anna said:

Sorry for butting into your conversation, but I feel like I need to comment on this. I am assuming you are at a stage what ex JW's call "waking up" . This is very misleading though because it implies you have been asleep, and now, by finding out all the stuff they have to say, you are getting "real" facts, whereas really, all it is (in the majority of cases) is them letting go of spirituality, and embracing a me only attitude. If that is the way someone wants to go, then they will find many "excuses" which make this transition easier. These people are no longer concerned about what God thinks, this is why the large majority of them have become atheists, because that's so much easier; they don't have to take God into account in what they do in life at all. That's what it's really about. So don't be mislead in thinking you will find enlightment, unless of course you prefer to forget about God, in which case you will agree with everything they say. But if you are concerned about what God thinks, then do your research and you will find that Jehovah's Witnesses, despite their failings and mistakes, are the only true religion, or as even a die hard critic like JTR would say: "Jehovah's Witnesses are the only game in town". 

This silly expression  "only game in town" does make me laugh.   The Jews would have told Jesus and his disciples that the Jewish way / Mosaic law, was the only game in town. I'll make a new topic soon :)  I'm learning quickly here. 

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2 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

The Jews would have told Jesus and his disciples that the Jewish way / Mosaic law, was the only game in town.

Yes, of course. But after Jesus established the "new" religion; Christianity, what other game is there? And of course I am not talking about Christendom/Counterfeit Christianity, but about the Christianity that Jesus established. I don't see any other "Christian" religion practicing it in the way that the 1st century Christians did except Jehovah's Witnesses.

21 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

 So tell me what this is all about please ? 

https://ibsaproperty.com/ 

 

The best thing to do would be to write to the UK branch and inquire. Or even call them. It doesn't look like anyone is trying to hide the fact that this is IBSA property. There is even a link to our JW website. So I would definitely call and ask about it. You can post the answer here! Thanks 🙂

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40 minutes ago, Anna said:

Yes, of course. But after Jesus established the "new" religion; Christianity, what other game is there? And of course I am not talking about Christendom/Counterfeit Christianity, but about the Christianity that Jesus established. I don't see any other "Christian" religion practicing it in the way that the 1st century Christians did except Jehovah's Witnesses.

The best thing to do would be to write to the UK branch and inquire. Or even call them. It doesn't look like anyone is trying to hide the fact that this is IBSA property. There is even a link to our JW website. So I would definitely call and ask about it. You can post the answer here! Thanks 🙂

@Anna Yes of course Christianity is right, but that does not follow that JW Org is right. Please see my new topic on this.

@Tom Henry  Was taking about mansions and I'd seen this about JW Org selling mansions, so I thought I would link it in. If they are selling private and business properties her in UK ,i do wonder what they are selling in USA.  I also wonder where they are getting the money to restore these properties and where the profit goes. It also seems to me to be part of the world that they do not need to be involved in, but that's just my viewpoint. I wonder who lives in such properties before they are sold. I can't imagine the Org leaving those houses empty whilst they are on the market for over one million pounds each. 

Contacted London Bethel 'HQ' once only. Totally unChristian response, I will never contact them again. 

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