Lies and slander-The distortion of facts

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                                                 Lies and slander
                                                   
"Woe to those who say that good is bad and evil is good, to those who put darkness for light and light for darkness, those who bitterly bitter and sweet
to bitter, woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and wise in their sight! "
The Bible Isaiah 5: 20-21 TMN

The distortion of facts

All facts are distorted and manipulated, as follows:

A Christian Jehovah's Witness exercises the profession of maternal guard: it is "the sect" which intervenes in the educational field to enlist the children.

A Jehovah's Witness works in the public administration, it is "the sect" that infiltrates the state or the medical field.

 The Witnesses provide their voluntary help during disasters (for example floods in the south of France), "the sect" makes of "the recovery of victims in situation of distress".

Witnesses teach their neighbors the Bible, they engage in "mental manipulation" and use "indoctrination methods". Yet they do nothing more than follow in the footsteps of Jesus who "walked from town to town and from village to village, preaching and announcing the good news of the kingdom of God, and the twelve were with him" (Acts 5:42 ) TMN

Whatever the Witnesses do, there must be bad motives behind their action. Did not we proceed in the same way with Jesus?  

What the Bible says :

Woe to those who say that good is evil and evil is good, to those who put darkness for light and light for darkness, to those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter ! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and wise before their face! (Isaiah 5: 20-21) TMN

The presumptuous ones smeared me with lies. As for me, with all my heart I will observe your orders. (Psalm 119: 69) TMN

 

Sources of information

most of the time second-hand information, erroneous, misunderstood, freely interpreted.

It is common for opponents to use statements by Russel (1870-1914) or Rutherford (1920-1940) and refer to 1910 or 1920 publications, "forgetting" subsequent updates or rectifications.

As if the understanding of the scriptures had frozen at these times.

It escapes them (?) As modern Jehovah's Witnesses refine their understanding of the scriptures over time. They have, without difficulty, recognized past mistakes.

What the Bible says :

"The light has come to the righteous, and the gladness to those who have the right heart." (Ps. 97:11) TMN

"The path of the righteous is like the light of dawn, the brightness of which increases until daylight." But "the path of the wicked is like darkness: they do not know what they will stumble upon". (Prov 4:18, 19) Osty Bible.

"And as for you, O Daniel, make these words secret and seal the book until the time of [the] end. Many will roam here and there, and [true] knowledge will become abundant. "(Daniel 12: 4) TMN

 

The sifting of every word or phrase in Jehovah's Witnesses' writings

The exercise consists of finding a sentence or an affirmation, taking it out of context and demonstrating: since there is one or more errors, it is that everything is wrong!

Unmatched as argument. As if the Witnesses had to be perfect and infallible!

But do they have the same look towards all? Opponents are careful not to apply the method to themselves.

As Jesus said, "For it is with the judgment that you judge that you will be judged, and it is with the measure you measure that we will measure for you." Why do you look at the straw that is in your brother's eye, but do not you consider the beam in your eye? " (Matthew 7: 2-3) TMN

Recall that the pope is supposed to be "infallible".

This does not prevent him from being part of the Hitherian youth and lacking courage in his statements.

During his quick visit to Auschwitz on May 31, 2006 Benedict XVI deplored the absence of God in this place. It would have been better to regret the silence of the leaders of the church and to condemn it.

Let us note that the abominable acts committed by the "official" religions (inquisition - with its terrible tortures, crusades - with their massacres, ...) are without measure with the grievances which are made today to the Jehovah's Witnesses.

This does not prevent these religions - and our opponents - from playing the great moralizers and despising certain "sects".

[Witness]

Nothing is as it seems, in the Watchtower organization.

“Coming to Him, a living stone—rejected by men but chosen and valuable to God— ⁵ you yourselves, as living stones, are being built into a spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood,
a holy nation a people for His possession,
so that you may proclaim the praises
of the One who called you out of darkness
into His marvelous light.”  1 Pet 2:5,9

w02 8/1 p. 13-14  “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed *elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions.” 

“Didn’t you banish the priests of YHVH, the descendants of Aaron and the Levites, and make your own priests like the peoples of other lands do? Whoever comes to ordain himself with a young bull and seven rams may become a priest of what are not gods.” 2 Chron 13:9

The Lord said to Aaron, “You, your sons, and your ancestral house will be responsible for sin against the sanctuary. You and your sons will be responsible for sin involving your priesthood. 

"You are to guard the sanctuary and the altar so that wrath may not fall on the Israelites again. ⁶ Look, I have selected your fellow Levites from the Israelites as a gift for you, assigned by the Lord to work at the tent of meeting. ⁷ But you and your sons will carry out your priestly responsibilities for everything concerning the altar and for what is inside the veil, and you will do that work. I am giving you the work of the priesthood as a gift, but an *unauthorized person  who comes near the sanctuary will be put to death.”  Num 18:1,5-7

“Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s sanctuary and that the Spirit of God lives in you?  If anyone destroys God’s sanctuary, God will destroy him; for God’s sanctuary is holy, and that is what you are.”  1 Cor 3:16,17

“Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him: We ask you, brothers, ² not to be easily upset in mind or troubled, either by a spirit or by a message or by a letter as if from us, alleging that the Day of the Lord has come. ³ Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasy^{[b] (“rebellion”)} comes first and the *man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.” 

w02 8/1 p. 13-14    “Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking *elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust.”

^4 “He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s sanctuary, publicizing that he himself is God.”  2 Thess 2:1-4

"The *presumptuous ones smeared me with lies. As for me, with all my heart I will observe your orders." (Psalm 119: 69) TMN

 “The Disgusting Thing Standing in a Holy Place, Matt 24:15” – 4womaninthewilderness blogspot

 

[Witness]

"Woe to those who say that good is bad and evil is good, to those who put darkness for light and light for darkness, those who bitterly bitter and sweet
to bitter, woe to those who are *wise in their own eyes, and wise in their sight! "
The Bible Isaiah 5: 20-21 TMN

[Matthew9969]

On 9/28/2019 at 9:51 PM, salomon said:

                                                 Lies and slander
                                                   
"Woe to those who say that good is bad and evil is good, to those who put darkness for light and light for darkness, those who bitterly bitter and sweet
to bitter, woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, and wise in their sight! "
The Bible Isaiah 5: 20-21 TMN

The distortion of facts

All facts are distorted and manipulated, as follows:

A Christian Jehovah's Witness exercises the profession of maternal guard: it is "the sect" which intervenes in the educational field to enlist the children.

A Jehovah's Witness works in the public administration, it is "the sect" that infiltrates the state or the medical field.

 The Witnesses provide their voluntary help during disasters (for example floods in the south of France), "the sect" makes of "the recovery of victims in situation of distress".

Witnesses teach their neighbors the Bible, they engage in "mental manipulation" and use "indoctrination methods". Yet they do nothing more than follow in the footsteps of Jesus who "walked from town to town and from village to village, preaching and announcing the good news of the kingdom of God, and the twelve were with him" (Acts 5:42 ) TMN

Whatever the Witnesses do, there must be bad motives behind their action. Did not we proceed in the same way with Jesus?  

What the Bible says :

Woe to those who say that good is evil and evil is good, to those who put darkness for light and light for darkness, to those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter ! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and wise before their face! (Isaiah 5: 20-21) TMN

The presumptuous ones smeared me with lies. As for me, with all my heart I will observe your orders. (Psalm 119: 69) TMN

 

Sources of information

most of the time second-hand information, erroneous, misunderstood, freely interpreted.

It is common for opponents to use statements by Russel (1870-1914) or Rutherford (1920-1940) and refer to 1910 or 1920 publications, "forgetting" subsequent updates or rectifications.

As if the understanding of the scriptures had frozen at these times.

It escapes them (?) As modern Jehovah's Witnesses refine their understanding of the scriptures over time. They have, without difficulty, recognized past mistakes.

What the Bible says :

"The light has come to the righteous, and the gladness to those who have the right heart." (Ps. 97:11) TMN

"The path of the righteous is like the light of dawn, the brightness of which increases until daylight." But "the path of the wicked is like darkness: they do not know what they will stumble upon". (Prov 4:18, 19) Osty Bible.

"And as for you, O Daniel, make these words secret and seal the book until the time of [the] end. Many will roam here and there, and [true] knowledge will become abundant. "(Daniel 12: 4) TMN

 

The sifting of every word or phrase in Jehovah's Witnesses' writings

The exercise consists of finding a sentence or an affirmation, taking it out of context and demonstrating: since there is one or more errors, it is that everything is wrong!

Unmatched as argument. As if the Witnesses had to be perfect and infallible!

But do they have the same look towards all? Opponents are careful not to apply the method to themselves.

As Jesus said, "For it is with the judgment that you judge that you will be judged, and it is with the measure you measure that we will measure for you." Why do you look at the straw that is in your brother's eye, but do not you consider the beam in your eye? " (Matthew 7: 2-3) TMN

Recall that the pope is supposed to be "infallible".

This does not prevent him from being part of the Hitherian youth and lacking courage in his statements.

During his quick visit to Auschwitz on May 31, 2006 Benedict XVI deplored the absence of God in this place. It would have been better to regret the silence of the leaders of the church and to condemn it.

Let us note that the abominable acts committed by the "official" religions (inquisition - with its terrible tortures, crusades - with their massacres, ...) are without measure with the grievances which are made today to the Jehovah's Witnesses.

This does not prevent these religions - and our opponents - from playing the great moralizers and despising certain "sects".

Jesus didn't need to depend on constantly changing light, new light, or changed his mind in mid-sermon.

[Evacuated]

8 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

Jesus didn't need to depend

Jesus hasn't gone away....or didn't you realise?

[TrueTomHarley]

On 9/28/2019 at 11:51 PM, salomon said:

This does not prevent these religions - and our opponents - from playing the great moralizers and despising certain "sects

The founder of the BITE model that is used to label whoever thinks out of the mainstream as a “cult”  has just written a book entitled: “The Cult of Trump” about how that one employs aspects of mind control.

When you think half the country has fallen under the influence of a cult, it is evidence, in my view, that you have drunk too much of the Kool-Aid yourself.

It is also evidence that the entire BITE anti-cult model is no more than a leftest political philosophy that attempts to scientifically endorse a culture of victimhood and move it into protected status.

That’s not to say that everyone who doesn’t like Jehovah’s Witnesses is a leftest. But those who don’t like them on the basis that they are a “cult” usually are.

“Victimhood” overplayed is an odious thing. No one ever made a bad decision. When that appears to be the case, it is only because that one has been misled.

No one has ever changed goals in life simply in the course of human development. When that appears to be the case, it is only because that one has been misled.

And yet these same ones, who do no wrong themselves unless it can be blamed upon someone else, are the first to cry how others should be “held accountable” and must “take responsibility” for anything not according to their wish list of looking at things.

What a culture of crybabies anti-cultism spawns.

[Anna]

2 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

What a culture of crybabies anti-cultism spawns.

I've noticed that everything seems to get called a "disorder" now. As if it's never the person's choice, but something they were born with. For example on the news yesterday the woman was talking about a plain old simple drug addict, and said he was suffering from "substance abuse disorder". Do these people really become drug addicts because they have no choice?

Similarly, why don't we call those who chose to be in a "cult", and then complain about it, something like "wimp disorder" or "don't have their own brain disorder". That way, they really can't help it, and shouldn't blame the cult. Yes, leave those cults alone!

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

It is my considered opinion that executing a murderer who did it by "reason of insanity", solves two problems at the same time.

... it also cuts down on recidivism.

[Matthew9969]

20 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Jesus hasn't gone away....or didn't you realise?

I didn't say he has gone away, now back on topic please.

[Evacuated]

4 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

I didn't say he has gone away,

Then say Jesus doesn't, not didn't. (Heart's abundance and all that...)

[Evacuated]

4 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

back on topic please

Topic is about Lies and slander....I didn't stray.

[Arauna]

In the end - JHWH will judge. ...... Let them slander, let them get us thrown into prison, let them sow disorder and hate.

What a man sows - he will reap. 

Do not oppose the wicked, if they have no self-restraint they will go from bad to worse and show the world what they are  - part of the "man of lawlessness".