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-1000 small church members want to have BS with JW's

-half of small church members (1000 men)

-having BS in KH (only men , all in suits and with ties, of small church without women and children. This sound  like some Bible report that never mentioned number of whole people but only grown male number aka people who can carry a sword :))) 

-what sort of people, in some small church, will abandon their church in one week  and want to left their faith to go to another church?? 

-why to speak about 1970's preaching experience when (and dig up again 1975 Armageddon) when nowadays Society building more KH and bringing more people in silent service with Cart witnessing than ever :))

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The story is completely short on details, and long on second hand accounts.

I would be embarrassed to even relate something as infantile as that story.

It DELIBERATELY leaves out any references that can be checked, for veracity.

Besides that, it is so improbable as to be impossible.

It lacks any vestige of integrity.

It assumes we can be lied to, and we are too stupid to notice such things.

As a general rule, that may be a correct assumption.

A three legged horse MAY win the race, and this story MAY be completely true ... but that is not the way sane people would bet.

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This YouTube community has been around since 2014. What would they know what did or didn’t happen back in the 70s.

The fact they are not JW's nor claim to be apostates just gives more credence to them being “born again” with an intellectual substance of zero.

“This channel is created by a non-Jehovah's Witness - never was a member - no "apostate" - with a view to help Jehovah's Witnesses in keeping with God's counsel through the Apostle John at 1 John 4:1. The aim is not simply to point out the errors and false prophecies of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, but to point to a better alternative - chiefly, Jesus Christ.”

The enlightenment is, it takes an opposer to support other opposers, while claiming to be representing Jesus Christ. Especially when using 1 John 4:1 to advance their agenda. Why don’t opposers consider, that very text can be applied to them in a manner that does reflect the words of Christ? By refusing to honor Christ other instructions. 2 Timothy 2:23-25

The good thing, Bro Splane is the narrator not the storyteller. The inspirational story is told by former members that actually witnessed and participated on that event. Firsthand knowledge goes further than secondhand guessing. I guess “Winston” forgot to apply 1 John 4:1 to himself. Especially when he wants to manipulate the narrative as though “all” witnesses were talking and waiting for the world to end in 1975, when the Watchtower publications are printed in advance. That means, the Watchtower and Awake had already been printed for 1975 as a normal function of the Watchtower.

This video is truly a disgusting video plagued with speculation.

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7 hours ago, divergenceKO said:

The inspirational story is told by former members that actually witnessed and participated on that event.

It is proved by experience and science that memory about past events drops by time. More time gap, more holes in memory and wrong, error testimony about details of event.  Well, this few brothers who are in fact "apostates" of their Small Church, speaking about their experience that was happened before 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40 years? No. They are talking about event that took place more than 44 years ago. 

Only thing that can be accepted as true report is, that they were been members of some church and then became JW members. :)) Other details are in the air. Drill is today as before for newbie, read JW publication, have BS, go to meetings, go to preaching and go to baptism. Ex members of Small Church didn't tell us what was the name of that Small Church, it is unknown, even in their testimony in video, no single "witness" gave any data to what Small  Church they belong before came to be JW !!! Why?

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4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Drill is today as before for newbie, read JW publication, have BS, go to meetings, go to preaching and go to baptism. Ex members of Small Church didn't tell us what was the name of that Small Church, it is unknown, even in their testimony in video, no single "witness" gave any data to what Small  Church they belong before came to be JW !!! Why?

I hope you can understand the word newbie. While I’m new to this forum, it doesn’t mean I’m new to the Org.

Lets layoff that newbie stuff. The other would be, if someone had an experience that was inspirational to their life, it doesn’t matter if it was 50-60 years old, people will remember.

If something was detrimental to someone’s life, they would carry that for the rest of their lives.

The argument about that “small church” is inconsequential. Perhaps due to not BEING there anymore. Do you offer the name of your church here? Does witness offer the name of this person’s church here?

Suggesting the lack of information by those that have the same preponderance to show the lack of information about them is inconsistent with being a sound argument.

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18 hours ago, divergenceKO said:

I hope you can understand the word newbie. While I’m new to this forum, it doesn’t mean I’m new to the Org.

I am not talking about you Sir.

18 hours ago, divergenceKO said:

Do you offer the name of your church here?

I am not member of any church. 

18 hours ago, divergenceKO said:

The other would be, if someone had an experience that was inspirational to their life, it doesn’t matter if it was 50-60 years old, people will remember.

Evidence shows that our memory isn’t as consistent as we’d like to believe. What’s worse, we’re often guilty of changing the facts and adding false details to our memories without even realising. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/memories-unreliable-science-brain-false-memory-remembering-a8687296.html

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    • Maybe this was in the sense of these "bad elders" rejecting the counsel given by "good elders" who were quoting Bible books and the Mosaic Law (as transmitted through angels), or these "bad elders" were speaking out against sayings of Jesus and inspired writings of the apostles, as if they held no value to this time they were in, so many decades after Jesus originally spoke them. Also (less likely) Jude quotes the book of Enoch, specifically a part about the judgment of angels, and he appears to refer to another book about the "Assumption of Moses." We don't know how much more of those books were accepted other than the portions referenced, but these books were part of a genre that gave names to dozens of angels and referenced many more hierachies of thousands of angels. Good point! I doubt it. There are too many scriptures, and too much context that shows what Paul was up against in trying to get the congregations to accept and understand the concept of "grace" or "undeserved kindness." (Along with "law" "legalism" "works" "righteousness" "sin" "conscience" etc.) Paul had to write chapters, nearly whole long letters, on the subject, and it even put him for a short while at odds with the Jerusalem council. Probably it is sometimes. But I'd guess there are some exceptions, too. For example, the whistleblowing of the CSA cases all over the world has drawn attention to a lot of things that go on in the world where the abused victims felt powerless. In many institutions, including once-hostile work environments, this is actually changing for the better. The threat of monetary sanctions has made even rich men who could once get away with anything (as Trump claimed), think twice. It has definitely helped in some suburban schools and even corporations I once worked for. I suspect that many priests and elders who once thought they would get away with anything are now more apt to think again before abusing persons.
    • The old method of handling this was to use the expression "present truth." Many adventists including Seventh Day still use the expression. It's based on a mistranslation of 2 Peter 1:12 where the KJV said: Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth. The tendency among 19th century Adventists was to see a "chronology" element or "time" element in the English expression that did not exist in the original Greek. Therefore, the idea was that: even when in the midst of learning or teaching falsehood, it was still "present truth" at the time, and what is now "present truth" could turn out to be false in the future, but it will always have been "present truth" because it's always the best we had at the time. From the Greek, this is better translated as "the truth that is present in you" (American Standard and NWT).  A similar rush to see a time element in the English translation was done by Barbour and Russell and others who had been associated with Adventists. Here's an example from Leviticus: (Leviticus 26:28) 28 I will intensify my opposition to you, and I myself will have to chastise you seven times for your sins. This was originally the primary source for Russell's 7 times = 2,520 years, and the 7 times of Nebuchadnezzar's dream about his own insanity was only a secondary source. But we have since learned that Leviticus here didn't refer to chronological "times" but the sense was "7 times as much" as in "I will hit you twice as hard, or three times as hard, or seven times as hard." This was already in the context, but chronologists and numerologists rarely notice the context until they have already formed a time related doctrine. (Leviticus 26:18-21) . . .“‘If even this does not make you listen to me, I will have to chastise you seven times as much for your sins. . . . 21 “‘But if you keep walking in opposition to me and refuse to listen to me, I will then have to strike you seven times as much, according to your sins. Now that we have noticed this, we have been stuck with using Nebuchadnezzar as if his wicked Gentile kingdom somehow represented Christ's Messianic non-Gentile kingdom. (Another contradiction between 1914 and the Bible.) We still tend to make a "chronology word" out of things having to do with time when we translate the Greek word for time as "appointed time" instead of what might better be translated as "opportune time." Note that it's the exact same word "time" in these two verses: (Ephesians 5:16) 16 buying out the opportune time for yourselves, because the days are wicked. (Luke 21:24) . . .and Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations until the appointed times of the nations are fulfilled. Neither the word opportune nor appointed is found in the Greek, only the word time. But the more typical meaning is "opportunity" as in: Will you find the opportunity to do this? Will you find the time to do this? Not: Will you find the appointed day and hour to do this? We have added a more specific chronological sense that usually isn't necessary in the Greek.  
    • Elon Musk shows himself to rather out of touch with science. He is using his money to make a name for himself by driving forward with some outlandish plans. He is an embarrassment to his own employees sometimes when he quotes pseudo-scientific ideas that have been obsolete for decades. (One of these was the idea of using nuclear explosions to make Mars inhabitable.) But his optimism to get employees to "make it happen" will drive some scientific progress in spite of himself. Even here, however, he has often just attached his name to some idea that came out of Japan or China or some US or European scientific think tank that was never associated with Musk. He attaches his own unrealistic timelines to these ideas, however, and then begins to lose credibility.  This particular idea has some merit, but there is a lot more expense in creating the infrastructure than people realize. There is the mining of the elements that go into solar cells, the manufacture of solar panels, the trucking of materials to such a solar hub, the infrastructure to build out the lines from the hub across the USA. Currently these types of expenses reduce the ROI value of this particular type of renewable energy so much that it makes carbon (coal/oil/petroleum) seem much more desirable for generating power, and for which an infrastructure is already in place. When viable, I would like to see how close to Hoover Dam this could be built to re-use some power lines that emanate from there, and already reach to many southwest states. Perhaps an even better idea would be to find a place near Yuma or Mexicali, so that half of the power would be used to desalinate water for Mexico and the US by piping saltwater from the Gulf of California, then freshwater back out with a mountain or salt and minerals as a byproduct.    
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