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As a born-in black JW in the US, Watchtower tried to teach me to be ashamed of my natural body and black features. There would always be talks about how dreads, braids, and afros are dirty, unclean, and unprofessional. According to JWs, being seen with them out in the ministry would bring reproach on Jehovah or judgement from the householders (as if the householder wouldn't see my skin and still be racist if they so choose). In the Watchtower's eyes, just naturally the way our hair grows and is culturally handled is a sin apparently.

I noticed many black men that convert to Da Troof shave their heads. Before I finally escaped and became POMO, I remember a young dude who converted recently. He had a beautiful high top afro that must've taken so time and energy to grow! But afros are bad. So he shaved his hair off. My own father shaved his afro, and said he would never grow it because he doesn't see any other black men in the hall have afros.

Women are pressured into putting chemicals that can literally BURN the skin off their scalps, to be accepted by Jehoover. I only got a perm for a few months of my life, but it was excruciatingly painful. I had huge scabs and wounds all over my scalp. Racism that we face because of our hair is a broad problem in the US at large that's been getting better in recent years, but it just shows that the bORG isn't the racial sanctuary they try to say they are - despite their incredibly vile racist past.

Has anyone else noticed this or been faced this?

- faerykid

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Obviously you do not know much about the Rastafarian movement.   They smoke pot and wear dreadlocks. 

It has nothing to do with race but all about this "brand of religion" worn as a visible symbol. 

 

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7 hours ago, Arauna said:

Obviously you do not know much about the Rastafarian movement.   They smoke pot and wear dreadlocks. 

It has nothing to do with race but all about this "brand of religion" worn as a visible symbol. 

 

wow, so you do align with the view that Jack Ryan was describing.

 

Singling out someone and making assumptions based on looks.

 

Nice example of stereotyping! 

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Since “Blue Jay” has forgotten scripture John 17:16 in lieu of humanity, to be accepted by this world, it doesn’t matter what opinion this person now has in this forum. This person is nobody just like any opposer.

Maybe being as forthright about other religions might give you credence, Might!

Maybe you should try going to other Christian forums to have endless criticism of their church and see what happens. Hint, start with your own first. Does your church know you dishonor their church and Christ by going against scripture just to argue nonsense SHIWIII in this forum? Maybe your Pastor should know.

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divergenceKO:

I think you are a windbag of Graf Zepplin proportions.

Why?

Because you accuse others of "going against scriptures" ... without EVER giving an example.

Actually, it is YOUR opinions that have no value, because without backup ... they are ONLY your opinions, which have even LESS than normal credence, because of your opinions that people that oppose YOUR viewpoint are "nobodys".

You may want to look up the term "Narcissistic Personality  Derangement" for some insight as to how you present yourself to everybody else.

Anybody that disagrees with me on this (except you, as your opinions are not worth considering), please speak up and defend divergenceKO from my observation.

 

 

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Wow, how did my hairstyle become the discussion of you other guys. I never had the problems cited in the story at the beginning, nor did my father, who,wore his hair, u till it Breyer and he went bald. What organization do you belong to that asks that of you about your hair? I have never been approached about mine and I even went curls with all the juice.

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4 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Because you accuse others of "going against scriptures" ... without EVER giving an example.

I don't need to give an example, their actions and words along with yours is proof enough. If you're going to start to hound me like a leech and defend opposers, keep the long-winded comments up.

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11 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

Singling out someone and making assumptions based on looks.

You do not know anything about them. I lived in Africa and this movement comes from Africa.

It has NOTHING to do with race but about the symbols of a false religion which smokes pot to be closer to God.......

So get clued up...... The above headline tries to make it about race but shows ignorance of this movement and its practices.

When I see ' white'  or black people with these hair styles (dreadlocks) I associate them with the Rasta movement...... and smoking pot.

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12 hours ago, Arauna said:

When I see ' white'  or black people with these hair styles (dreadlocks) I associate them with the Rasta movement...... and smoking pot.

This right here is what I am talking about.

 

Arauna,

I'm sure you won't like this, but please don't take it and read into what I am saying. This subject between you and I, has nothing to do with religion or beliefs, but rather our human nature and ability to accept those who are different from us. A hair style is nothing but hair, it does not speak to character, it does not speak of beliefs........its just hair. Now I can understand your position and experience, however it doesn't make it absolute in every circumstance.  

 

When a person singles out others who have a different look and labels them in a derogatory way based only on looks, it is no different than straight racism based on the color of their skin.  Anyone can spin it this way and that, but those are the facts. 

 

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1 hour ago, Shiwiii said:

This right here is what I am talking about.

 

Arauna,

I'm sure you won't like this, but please don't take it and read into what I am saying. This subject between you and I, has nothing to do with religion or beliefs, but rather our human nature and ability to accept those who are different from us. A hair style is nothing but hair, it does not speak to character, it does not speak of beliefs........its just hair. Now I can understand your position and experience, however it doesn't make it absolute in every circumstance.  

 

When a person singles out others who have a different look and labels them in a derogatory way based only on looks, it is no different than straight racism based on the color of their skin.  Anyone can spin it this way and that, but those are the facts. 

 

Now I kindly want you to understand the subject above. This is about JWs who cannot wear these hairstyles in field service...... and it is slyly called racism..... the new victim badge. 

I grew up in a country in Africa where marjuana grows on every street corner - wild just about everywhere.  People smoke it all the time....... but Rastas use it as part of the religious experience and wear the gear and the hairstyles to identify themselves.  They WANT to be identified as Rasta.

When I see a rasta I treat them no different than any other person even though I immediately recognize the visible signs (some people like the look and do not know what it represents).

I had a bible study who was a Rasta. .... so I do not see it as a race but as an alternative lifestyle choice.

To say that it is racist when a JW cannot wear this hairstyle in field service is misleading and untrue..... it has nothing to do with race but everything about projecting a lifestyle choice or another religion.

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1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Now I kindly want you to understand the subject above. This is about JWs who cannot wear these hairstyles in field service...... and it is slyly called racism..... the new victim badge. 

I grew up in a country in Africa where marjuana grows on every street corner - wild just about everywhere.  People smoke it all the time....... but Rastas use it as part of the religious experience and wear the gear and the hairstyles to identify themselves.  They WANT to be identified as Rasta.

When I see a rasta I treat them no different than any other person even though I immediately recognize the visible signs (some people like the look and do not know what it represents).

I had a bible study who was a Rasta. .... so I do not see it as a race but as an alternative lifestyle choice.

To say that it is racist when a JW cannot wear this hairstyle in field service is misleading and untrue..... it has nothing to do with race but everything about projecting a lifestyle choice or another religion.

You did say if someone has dreadlocks, you treat them differently. You can say that you're not racist and once had a study...blah...blah...blah, but the fact of the matter is you know you treat people different based on appearances.  

Nice witness to those on this board.  

 

 

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23 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

h...blah...blah, but the fact of the matter is you know you treat people different based on appearances.  

Most people notice appearance. Ever looked for a job as a truck driver?  No job if you look like a pot smoker..... Get real.   

When on field service we want to look  decent and clean cut so as to not bring reproach on Jehovah.  No Rasta T-shirts, dreadlocks to create impression that you smoke pot for religious experiences.   Nothing to do with race - but appearance does matter. 

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2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Most people notice appearance. Ever looked for a job as a truck driver?  No job if you look like a pot smoker..... Get real.   

When on field service we want to look  decent and clean cut so as to not bring reproach on Jehovah.  No Rasta T-shirts, dreadlocks to create impression that you smoke pot for religious experiences.   Nothing to do with race - but appearance does matter. 

So what you are saying is that those who don't look the way YOU want them to, are not worth your time? I hardly think that Jesus would do the same. In fact I think it has been demonstrated enough times in the Bible where Jesus did exactly the opposite. Not to mention, John, wasn't he wearing rags for clothes and eating locusts in the wilderness? Did that bring reproach on Jehovah? 

 

Yeah, you have summed up your position completely. I get it and frankly if that is how jw's are, which I am know many are, you can keep that among yourselves. We have enough bigots in the world already.  Please don't spread. 

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4 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

what you are saying

This phrase is a way of rephrasing what the other person has said to give it a personal and nasty twist....

Race does not matter... period.... but the way you present yourself - this does matter.   I always present myself in a neat way.  RASTA does not look neat...... it always looks asif your hair has not been washed for 6 months and it "may " have some fleas lurking somewhere.

4 hours ago, Shiwiii said:

hardly think that Jesus would do the same

That is YOUR opinion. Jesus did not own a house or have a prestigious worldly job...... but the soldiers threw lots for his garment. Why?  Because it was of good quality.   Jesus must have looked decent and properly dressed for the preaching work.

Again: not racist clothing but fit for the job at hand.....

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23 hours ago, Arauna said:

Most people notice appearance. Ever looked for a job as a truck driver?  No job if you look like a pot smoker..... Get real.   

When on field service we want to look  decent and clean cut so as to not bring reproach on Jehovah.  No Rasta T-shirts, dreadlocks to create impression that you smoke pot for religious experiences.   Nothing to do with race - but appearance does matter. 

When I see jw men all dressed up, I can't tell the difference between them and mobsters, lawyers, politicians, ands shady TV evangelist.

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18 hours ago, Arauna said:

This phrase is a way of rephrasing what the other person has said to give it a personal and nasty twist....

no need to add anything, you said it yourself. 

 

18 hours ago, Arauna said:

 RASTA does not look neat...... it always looks asif your hair has not been washed for 6 months and it "may " have some fleas lurking somewhere.

your personal opinion, but that part is fine. It is treating others different because of how they look is the problem.

 

18 hours ago, Arauna said:

That is YOUR opinion.

No that is scripture, Matt 8, did Jesus avoid/ treat the leaper any different then others? 

You do realize that lepers looked different, right? Sores, mostly dirty, etc. 

2 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

When I see jw men all dressed up, I can't tell the difference between them and mobsters, lawyers, politicians, ands shady TV evangelist.

funny you mentioned that list, isn't that the kind of person whom they would like to be portrayed as?  Someone with some sort of clout? 

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On 10/18/2019 at 12:38 AM, Shiwiii said:

You do realize that lepers looked different, right? Sores, mostly dirty, etc. 

Lepers are not dirty - depending on circumstances.  I will study with any leper as I have had a study with a Rasta - dispite his pot smoking and his unhealthy looking hair...... because I saw the person behind the crazy hair and valued him as a person. 

BUT I did expect him to change his appearance as he grew in knowledge about Jehovah.   SPIRITUAL GROWTH BRINGS CHANGE -  did you change? 

On 10/17/2019 at 10:02 PM, Matthew9969 said:

When I see jw men all dressed up, I can't tell the difference between them and mobsters, lawyers, politicians, ands shady TV evangelist.

Well a person should not just judge by appearance - that is very immature.

But first impressions do count. So being neat and not have some outrageous fad in your dress is recommended.

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@Arauna I would say people of different cultures have a view of strangers and assume things, that is, before they get to know them. Pretty much any person is like a book, you don't know unless you read.

I had some run ins with bad people who don't want to heard anything about the Bible but I've met some good folks who do, and be it a good or bad apperance, all people differ and their culture. 

For us Latinos tho, we are kinda a close bunch so we are open to hear from one another, especially when speaking the same language, especially if it is about family. 

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On 10/31/2019 at 10:41 PM, Arauna said:

Lepers are not dirty

context, surrounding those at that time. I wasn't saying in our time. 

 

On 10/31/2019 at 10:41 PM, Arauna said:

 I will study with any leper as I have had a study with a Rasta - dispite his pot smoking and his unhealthy looking hair...... because I saw the person behind the crazy hair and valued him as a person. 

good, but I hardly believe this to be common among other jws. I could be wrong though. 

 

On 10/31/2019 at 10:41 PM, Arauna said:

BUT I did expect him to change his appearance as he grew in knowledge about Jehovah.   SPIRITUAL GROWTH BRINGS CHANGE -  did you change? 

why do you or anyone expect another to change their appearance based on what the gb says is good or not? 

Of course spiritual growth brings change, and I have changed who I was to who I am. The difference is that I am not changing for ANYONE here on Earth, not my appearance anyway. If I do change my appearance it is for me and no one else. 

John 7:23 Now if a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses may not be broken, why are you angry with me for healing a man’s whole body on the Sabbath? 24 Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly.” 

 

On 10/31/2019 at 10:41 PM, Arauna said:

Well a person should not just judge by appearance - that is very immature.

You just said that you expected the rasta to change his appearance. Do you see why some of us just can't comprehend the jw thought process? You are told two different things at the same time. "Don't judge by appearances, but you should dress this way or cut your hair like this. "

 

This is the type of thing, while rather small, that makes some point to the gb AND jws as hypocrites. It only applies when YOU want it to. 

 

On 10/31/2019 at 10:41 PM, Arauna said:

But first impressions do count. So being neat and not have some outrageous fad in your dress is recommended.

I have found nothing in the Bible to support this, maybe you can provide it for us? 

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      Il est certain que Hanna parle de Jéhovah à Samuel dès sa petite enfance. Mais oublie-t-elle le vœu qu’elle a fait ? Absolument pas ! “ Dès que le garçon sera sevré, je devrai l’amener ; il devra paraître devant Jéhovah et habiter là pour des temps indéfinis ”, déclare-t-elle. Et en effet, une fois l’enfant sevré — peut-être à l’âge de trois ans ou un peu plus —, elle l’amène au sanctuaire, comme elle l’avait promis. — 1 Samuel 1:21-24 ; 2 Chroniques 31:16.
      Après avoir offert un sacrifice à Jéhovah, Hanna et son mari présentent Samuel à Éli. Hanna tient certainement la main de son petit garçon lorsqu’elle dit à Éli : “ Pardon, mon seigneur ! Par la vie de ton âme, mon seigneur, je suis la femme qui se tenait près de toi, en ce lieu, pour prier Jéhovah. C’est à propos de ce garçon que je priais, pour que Jéhovah m’accorde ma requête, ce que je lui demandais. Et moi, à mon tour, je l’ai prêté à Jéhovah. Oui, tous les jours qu’il sera, c’est quelqu’un de demandé pour Jéhovah. ” Ainsi commence, pour Samuel, une vie au service de Dieu. — 1 Samuel 1:25-28 ; 2:11.
      Le temps passe ; bien sûr Hanna n’oublie pas son fils. Les Écritures relatent : “ Sa mère avait coutume de lui faire un petit manteau sans manches, et elle le lui montait, d’année en année, quand elle montait avec son mari pour sacrifier le sacrifice annuel. ” (1 Samuel 2:19). Hanna prie sans aucun doute pour Samuel. Tous les ans, lorsqu’elle lui rend visite, elle l’encourage à coup sûr à demeurer fidèle dans son service pour Dieu.
      Pendant l’une de ces visites, Éli bénit les parents du garçon. Il déclare à Elqana : “ Que Jéhovah t’assigne une descendance de cette femme, à la place du prêt qui a été prêté à Jéhovah. ” C’est ainsi que le couple est récompensé par la naissance de trois autres fils et de deux filles. — 1 Samuel 2:20, 21.
      Quel formidable exemple pour les parents chrétiens ! Beaucoup de mères et de pères se montrent, eux aussi, disposés à prêter, figurément parlant, leurs enfants à Jéhovah ; en effet, ils les encouragent à entreprendre une forme de service à plein temps, même si cela implique que leur fils, ou leur fille, vive loin d’eux. De tels parents aimants méritent des louanges pour les sacrifices qu’ils font. Jéhovah les récompensera.
      Une prière qui déborde de joie
      Comme Hanna est heureuse, elle que la stérilité affectait tant autrefois ! Les Écritures ne contiennent que peu de prières faites par des femmes. Mais, en ce qui concerne Hanna, elles en rapportent deux. La première expose ses sentiments alors qu’elle est humiliée et affligée. La seconde exprime son exultation et son action de grâces ; elle commence par ces mots : “ Oui, mon cœur exulte en Jéhovah. ” Hanna se réjouit ensuite que ‘ même la stérile ait mis au monde ’. Et elle loue Jéhovah, celui “ qui élève [...], qui relève le petit de la poussière ”. Vraiment, il est celui qui “ de la fosse aux cendres [...] fait remonter le pauvre ”. — 1 Samuel 2:1-10.
      Cet épisode de la vie de Hanna, dont le récit a été inspiré par Dieu, montre que les imperfections, voire la malveillance, des autres peuvent nous blesser. Toutefois, nous ne devons pas permettre à ce genre d’épreuves de nous priver de notre joie de servir Dieu. Jéhovah est, par excellence, Celui qui entend la prière, qui répond aux appels à l’aide de ses fidèles et qui les délivre de l’affliction. Il leur accorde une paix profonde et de nombreuses autres bénédictions. — Psaume 22:23-26 ; 34:6-8 ; 65:2.

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    • Eric Ouellet

      1 Samuel 2 : 1-10
      Hannah pria Dieu en ces mots:
      Mon cœur se réjouit au sujet de Jéhovah
      ma force grandit grâce à Jéhovah.
      Ma bouche s’ouvre toute grande contre mes ennemis,
      car je me réjouis de tes actes sauveurs.
      Il n’y a personne qui soit saint comme Jéhovah,
      il n’y a personne qui soit comme toi,
      il n’y a pas de rocher comme notre Dieu.
      Arrêtez de parler avec orgueil ;
      que rien d’arrogant ne sorte de votre bouche,
      car Jéhovah est un Dieu qui sait tout
      et il juge les actions avec justice.
      Les arcs des hommes forts sont brisés,
      mais les hommes faibles reçoivent de la force
      Ceux qui mangeaient bien doivent trouver du travail pour avoir du pain,
      mais les affamés ne souffrent plus de la faim.
      La femme stérile a donné naissance à sept fils,
      mais celle qui avait beaucoup de fils est devenue stérile.
      Jéhovah tue et il garde en vie,
      il fait descendre dans la Tombe et il en fait remonter.
      Jéhovah fait devenir pauvre et il fait devenir riche,
      il abaisse et il élève.
      Il relève le petit de la poussière
      et fait remonter le pauvre du tas de cendres
      pour les faire asseoir avec les princes
      et leur offrir une place d’honneur.
      À Jéhovah appartiennent les fondations de la terre ;
      sur elles, il pose le monde
      Il veille sur les pas de ses fidèles,
      mais les méchants seront tués dans l’obscurité,
      car ce n’est pas par la force que l’homme triomphe. 
      Jéhovah anéantira ceux qui combattent contre lui ;
      pour exprimer sa colère, il fera gronder le tonnerre dans le ciel.
      Jéhovah jugera jusqu’aux extrémités de la terre,
      il donnera du pouvoir à son roi et il fera grandir la force de son oint.
       
       
       


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