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Yeah, I believe Matthew wants a heated debate not a logical answer, because he knows it. These 'men', this "faithful and discreet slave, is not and could not be one man, just as Moses found out leading Israel. They are united in thought and action. Unified in watching over the Master's belongings, and just as there were those who gave dispute to Moses, there will be those who will dispute these 'men', for they are 'men', frail and imperfect, even with their hope of the heavenly reward. What we think about their hope, they could careless, what they do toward us is their responsibility for they are accountable to Jehovah, never ever to any of us, whether we like them or not. So let's debate about something else!

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1 hour ago, John Houston said:

Unified in watching over the Master's belongings, and just as there were those who gave dispute to Moses, there will be those who will dispute these 'men', for they are 'men', frail and imperfect, even with their hope of the heavenly reward.

 JWs!  WHY do you continually make the comparison of the GB to Moses, an inspired prophet who received messages directly from God?  Moses spoke of the prophet to come, as God’s Son! It is HIS teachings that we are to adhere to:

17 “And the Lord said to me: ‘What they have spoken is good. 18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him. 19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.”   Deut 18:17-19

If there were to be 7,8,12 men to lead God’s people in the remaining days as Moses did, where does Jesus Christ fit in?  The organization has raised up another “Moses”; one who presents teachings that repeatedly fall short of pure truth.

 20 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, (the organization) that prophet shall die.’ 21 And if you say in your heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?’— 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Your “frail and imperfect men” sit in the seat of Moses.  They have put themselves there, and are comfortable misleading all JWs to believe it.  Now I clearly see a distinct connection of “false Messiahs” that deceive the “saints”/anointed and companions in the last days, as the organization’s GB. 

For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.  (“elect” – “chosen by God” – Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:9)  Matt 24:24

If they are to mislead God’s chosen people, they must also speak of Jesus and some truth, right?  Paul warned that Jesus’ teachings would be twisted:

But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to ChristFor if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

“other than the Jesus we preached”the apostles never compared themselves to Moses.  They spoke continually of Christ and the Father. 

“a different gospel”the WT has become your safety net, your salvation.  Never did the apostles preach “organization” as one’s salvation.  On the contrary, they taught:

“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”  Acts 4:12

These "frail and imperfect men" do not have a "hope" they will be in heaven - they state they WILL be in heaven.  

Gerrit Losch:  “To appreciate the extent of Jehovah’s and Jesus’ trust in the faithful slave reflect on what he has promised its members. He has promised them immortality and incorruption. Soon, JUST BEFORE ARMAGEDDON the remaining members of the slave will be taken to heaven.”

Are these men truly false messiahs?  Yes. They have already judged themselves as worthy to rule in heaven.  From what I read in the scriptures, that judgement is left in the hands of the true Messiah.  Matt 25:14-30

 

 

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5 hours ago, John Houston said:

Yeah, I believe Matthew wants a heated debate not a logical answer, because he knows it. These 'men', this "faithful and discreet slave, is not and could not be one man, just as Moses found out leading Israel. They are united in thought and action. Unified in watching over the Master's belongings, and just as there were those who gave dispute to Moses, there will be those who will dispute these 'men', for they are 'men', frail and imperfect, even with their hope of the heavenly reward. What we think about their hope, they could careless, what they do toward us is their responsibility for they are accountable to Jehovah, never ever to any of us, whether we like them or not. So let's debate about something else!

Got it. I really don't like going into conversation of some peeps not being aware what "1" is and how it doesn't literally equal "3", as in.

6 hours ago, Matthew9969 said:

The judges of Israel were not called faithful and discreet slaves. The trinity isn't confusing at all to true Christians. But 7 men who claim to be one man, I'll expand this even further, these 7 men claim to be 1 man and also claim to be Jehovah, now that is out of this world weird doctrine.

But you are saying this. I haven't seen or recall the governing body claiming to be one man (but elsewhere you said God/Jehovah).

Actually it is confusing. For instance, Jesus is said to be the mediator of God as seen in 1 Timothy 2 and elsewhere. If he is God then who is the really the mediator? Second, who sent the angel to Joseph if Jesus was still a baby Lastly several instances of Jesus not knowing something and or is fearful, let alone who was he pleading to or praying to. Or can God be anointed or Only Begotten.The list goes on?

Majority of the people I meet in the ministry are put off by the Trinity, even non religious people, who even made fun of Christians because of it. To make matters worse, people went on doing their own research to find out the truth about Jehovah God and the one he anointed (Christ/Messiah) - Jesus.

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On 10/25/2019 at 8:57 AM, Matthew9969 said:

The judges of Israel were not called faithful and discreet slaves.

There were several judges, not just one, as there are with several Apostles, Pastors, Priests, etc. The logic you push is the fact that the faith group as a collective is one person, when truly that isn't the case, hence it can be understood by the sarcasm posed by the other commentor.

On 10/25/2019 at 8:57 AM, Matthew9969 said:

The trinity isn't confusing at all to true Christians.

Unfortunately it is. So much as so that True Christians can see through the farce, as in finding out false Bible verses that is used to support the Trinity has been exposed to be spurious, and or using Sharp Rule's to justify the belief, twisting the words of Apostles.

True Christians recognize that the early Christians, to their core, were Suborinationist that have no holding to any creeds and or beliefs that came after, that is, until Trinitarianism was forced upon them, and over time real Christians stepped up, and some of them were targets and even became victim to those who support an incorrect teaching.

On 10/25/2019 at 8:57 AM, Matthew9969 said:

But 7 men who claim to be one man, I'll expand this even further, these 7 men claim to be 1 man and also claim to be Jehovah, now that is out of this world weird doctrine.

And yet when this was asked of you by the latter, it was unfounded.

That being said, all faiths have a single and or several religious leaders, you are no different. None, expect, Kairos, claim to be God and or equal to God in any sense. The idea of Restorationist claiming to be Jehovah or Yahweh is as alien as a blizzard in the south.

On 10/25/2019 at 8:57 AM, Matthew9969 said:

now that is out of this world weird doctrine.

Such doctrines do exist, but it is unheard of concerning Restorationism, Islam, Unitarianism, etc.

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