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[Patiently waiting for Truth]

@James Thomas Rook Jr.  you continue to condemn the CCJW of which you are a part. 

quote "The specificity ... THE SPECIFICITY ... of those videos is absolute confirmation to me that there are serious, DANGEROUS things going on at Bethel, and with the Society's completely clueless and pharisaic leadership. "

But you still want to be part of it. And you use as an excuse this :-

the way I look at it, it is no different than being in the Marines, when the Officer Corps goes off the deep end ....

BUT the Marines ARE PART OF THIS WORLD so they have that excuse.

It is not good to pretend, either to yourself or others, that the CCJW is God's chosen organisation, then to compare it to a military part of the world.  

Do you really want to bring families with young children into that " serious, DANGEROUS.. organisation with it's " completely clueless and pharisaic leadership. "

My Bible trained conscience would not let me do so. 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

38 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

Scripturally, she could get out. Separation is always possible. But she was not free to remarry. So this often became a matter of not being able to get out of a marriage, economically.

You strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel 

[JW Insider]

37 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

You strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel 

I agree. It was wrong. Stupid wrong, and "creepy" wrong. But it's still good to be accurate.

[Srecko Sostar]

9 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

10 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Scripturally, she could get out. Separation is always possible. But she was not free to remarry. So this often became a matter of not being able to get out of a marriage, economically.

You strain out the gnat but gulp down the camel 

Jesus said: “Whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication [porneia, gross sexual immorality], and marries another commits adultery.” (Matt. 19:9) - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1980570

One of problem here in verse is patriarchal look on world. Men are first and above women and above anything else. I don't know did Jesus really told this or not. If He is, i don't know why He said it this way and what sort of implications and complications would be if two married people make agreement and each go own way to form new family or new marriage with or without children. Because if two stay in problematic marriage there is also implications and complications.... for the rest of their life. 

Jesus entering completely new view on life and religion. I would expect from Him to understand all sort of problems and deviations and Bethel's PilowGate Instructions and examples in which human directives adding to world's injustice and tragedy ....inside "His" church. I guess, male people masturbated, was homosexuals and practice sodomy, in His time too, so how come to that, that He didn't mentioned nothing about such situations, that GB Helpers needed to add appendix and upgrade Master's teaching?

Jesus was aware, i guess, how women in His time was dependable on men's world, in many aspects including financial dependence. But, whether He would heal on Saturday or not? Would Jesus give advice and recommendation to sister in congregation how she should stay in marriage with sodomite husband or just separate and be alone and miserable for rest of her life?? Or would He encourage her to pray more and preach more and be regular on every meeting and all problem will gone?? Would Solomon say; bring me a sword and i will cut it into two peaces, a piece for each one of you? 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

@Srecko Sostar  I like your words. They are deep and have meaning. 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

I had a few thoughts.

Matthew 5 v 28 Berean Study Bible
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

I presume this was aimed at men, and I would presume this also would apply if a woman were to lust after a man that she was not married to. 

So I did wonder, when a person masturbates would they be thinking about a specific other person. Thus they would be lusting after that other person, thereby committing either fornication or adultery in their heart. 

And if they were thinking about a person of their same sex, maybe they would be committing homosexuality in their heart. 

But if we are honest, we all know that at the time of teenage years the body goes through physical and emotional changes. Whist masturbation may be regarded as wrong, I think both God and Christ understand and are more merciful and forgiving. 

 

[Srecko Sostar]

2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

But I tell you that anyone who looks at 

What ever would be object/subject of our looking .... we are able to make that particular look to be sin of various gradation and intensity . Well, as imperfect or perfect human we shall be involved in particular situation and be in deep .....

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

If we were judged by our thoughts, and not our actions ... who among us would not become murderers?

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

According to Jesus' words, we are being judged by the inclinations of our heart. 

I am happy that both God and Christ are merciful and that whomever is judging me knows more about me than i know about myself. 

[Arauna]

On 5/4/2020 at 10:23 PM, 4Jah2me said:

and I would like to know what your punishment for it is...

I asked you guys first - and I pointed out that it is easy to judge. But I want to know if a person should immediately be put out of the congregation for porneia -  and if one should consider degrees of porneia......since every situation usually is different i.e. was it spontaneous sin or was it planned etc.; and should these ones immediately be put out of congregation for porneia or their priviledges taken away  and progress reviewed.......  If one considers that it is usually the spirtually weak who get into these type of situations and get up to all kinds of 'unclean'  antics which may even include some perversion we are not aware of. People go after their desires. 

(I take my hat off to those who have to deal with these kind of  things.... I am glad I do not have to....... As someone aptly said above - jehovah knows what is done in secret and the motivations.  We can only judge the facts as they come out afterwards. Sometimes there  is an instigator and a follower but both as guilty of uncleanliness and or porneia )

You know - it is easy to say what another person should have done in hindsight and it is easy to judge too harshly....or too leniently........ something you guys do quite too often and quickly here on this forum. 

I would have thought that a bunch of old men would have more clarity - having been foolish young men yourselves at one stage of your lives.

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

would have thought that a bunch of old men would have more clarity - having been foolish young men yourselves at one stage of your lives.

Meanwhile, in the hallowed corridors of World Headquarters ......

[Arauna]

On 5/5/2020 at 8:34 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

I don't know did Jesus really told this or not. If He is

Do you accept that Jesus was a representative of Jehovah or not, and do you accept the Gospels as true or not....... that is the question.

On 5/5/2020 at 8:34 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

problem here in verse is patriarchal look on world. Men are

The new philosophy teaches that the bible is patriarchal and oppressive...... you seemed to have gulped it down in spoonfuls.