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[Arauna]

Regarding legal separation.... I have not looked into this matter yet but one can surely draw up a legal document wherein the parties are not linked to each other economically - especially in the case of a gambler?

[Arauna]

On 5/4/2020 at 10:33 PM, Matthew9969 said:

your trying to cry PERSECUTION

No cry of persecution from us!  - just delight and relief!  Even THEY view us as no part of the noteworthy worldly system.

[Arauna]

On 5/4/2020 at 8:37 PM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

just plain, ordinary common sense, which the Society seems to have ZERO.

Thanks to Jehovah you are not judge and executioner because you are often over the top in your judgments.  

I find it amusing that people with no experience of having other people's spiritual lives in their hands are often the biggest judges of other's actions. 

This is why I asked the question..... must everyone be put out of the congregation for porneia? What would be your decision.  Will there be mitigating factors to take into consideration? 

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Do you accept that Jesus was a representative of Jehovah or not, and do you accept the Gospels as true or not....... that is the question.

This is just one of few questions, and not rightly addressed to/for me, but for You too. Issue of "acceptance" and "beliefs" in/about religious matters, here, is in focus, of course. Individual inner sense, feeling about past events and records about such events is question or decision for individual to make. Something about issues we put in focus, is not reasonable to put as black and white format, and to say how not accepting your's beliefs is wrong. 

If i would say how i am fully accept Jesus and Gospel, that doesn't mean how in the same time i have to accept WTJWorg and GB doctrines, because of their claim how only they "have the truth" about Jesus and Gospel. :))   

..... and exactly that is the question you have to deal with. 

[Srecko Sostar]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

The new philosophy teaches that the bible is patriarchal and oppressive...... you seemed to have gulped it down in spoonfuls.

Old Testament (Jew Law) promote few sorts of slavery, males (men) as owners of females (women) wars for land, superiority of one nation (ethnic and religious belonging, common among all nations until today). As any other nation old Jew nation have had good and bad things to show us.   

Their patriarchal system was customary for those time. Even Jesus, as i used Bible verse before, said - Jesus said: “Whoever divorces his wife...". Here is notable to see how man is in position to decide about divorce of his wife. Wife is not in position to divorce her husband. Law established this order. Wife is in possession of her husband, and not conversely.

Well yes, we have old and new philosophy. :)) Perhaps all people are equal before God. But women are not equal before/with men :)))

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

I agree with @Srecko Sostar about acceptance of God, Jesus and Gospels. 

Most JWs cannot separate their religion, from God, Christ and the bible.

Most JWs think that if a person leaves the CCJW then that person has also left God and Christ and no longer believes the Bible. Mr Harley seems to be one of those that cannot get his head around the difference between God / Christ and the CCJW. 

But even sensible JWs admit to the wrongful interpretation of scriptures by the GB. And honest JWs admit to the horrible CSA problems within the CCJW. And many JWs say how wrong the shunning and disfellowshipping of innocent congregants is.  And I would think it came as a shock to some when the GB admitted to NOT being inspired of God. So the GB now admit they do as many others do. They study God's word through prayer, and then make their own interpretations. Many of those interpretations are turned into rules of men and have no real scriptural basis. 

The hypocrisy seems to appear when the GB 'change the meaning' of scriptures to suit their own needs. But JWs just accept the change as normal. Whereas people outside the CCJW may have known the true meaning many years before. Or in my case I realise that I am not supposed to guess or to know many things. It keeps me humble to know that it is a continuous learning curve. 

[Arauna]

9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

say how i am fully accept Jesus and Gospel, that

Then why are you doubting the scripture (Matthew 19) which says that divorce is only allowed on account of adultery?   If couples may not remarry after separation (without adultery) you do not accept this?. This is in line with scripture...  

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

NWT Matthew 19 v 9 

 I say to you that whoever divorces his wife, except on the grounds of sexual immorality, and marries another commits adultery.”

NWT says on account of 'sexual immorality' 

JW Org, definition :- 

Sexual immorality

From the Greek por·neiʹa, a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality. It is used figuratively in Revelation with regard to a religious prostitute called “Babylon the Great” to describe her consorting with the rulers of this world for power and material gain. (Rev 14:8; 17:2; 18:3; Mt 5:32; Ac 15:29; Ga 5:19)—See PROSTITUTE.

@AraunaIt just uses the word  porneia.... and what porneia includes ?

It seems your Org gives you the answer you want. However I've no idea how recent this info is as @James Thomas Rook Jr. wrote that it didn't include homosexuality, and bestiality.

 

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

 

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Then why are you doubting the scripture (Matthew 19) which says that divorce is only allowed on account of adultery?   If couples may not remarry after separation (without adultery) you do not accept this?. This is in line with scripture...  

The key to understanding that scripture, Arauna is to understand WHO Jesus was speaking to .... specifically .... and what was the then common practice of divorce.... among that specific group.

Or do you believe that a man or woman is doomed to live the rest of their life alone, because their mate abandoned them to die, moves away, and never returns?

Remember, IT WAS THE DEATH PENALTY TO WORK ON THE SABBATH ..... but Jesus brought common sense to that argument, with the example of saving a lost sheep.

During the Las Vegas massacre several years ago, a man stole  a Utility Company truck in a parking lot to go into the line of fire, and take the wounded and dying to hospitals.

If he had been one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I suspect he would have been disfellowshipped as an un-repentent vehicle thief, as he admitted to doing it, was not sorry he did it, and the crime was public and notorious.

I read about it here in North Carolina ... it was world news.

Plus... he put his life in danger with total abandon.

Which REAL men do, from time to time, for all sorts of "un-approved" reasons.

 

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

7 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

It seems your Org gives you the answer you want. However I've no idea how recent this info is as @James Thomas Rook Jr. wrote that it didn't include homosexuality, and bestiality.

As usual, you misquote me .... I referenced that the WTB&TS, through the Watchtower, taught circa 1960's, that homosexuality and bestiality was not acceptable grounds for divorce. The logic was so convoluted, playing with scriptures, that it ruined MANY lives, under the imprimatur of "THE WORD OF GOD.

I did not write that.

I only reported that OTHERS wrote that.

... there is a difference.

[Srecko Sostar]

9 hours ago, Arauna said:

Then why are you doubting the scripture (Matthew 19) which says that divorce is only allowed on account of adultery?   If couples may not remarry after separation (without adultery) you do not accept this?. This is in line with scripture...  

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” - Mat 19:9

"But I tell you, everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." - Mat 5:28

8 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

JW Org, definition :- 

Sexual immorality

From the Greek por·neiʹa, a general term for all unlawful sexual intercourse. It includes adultery, prostitution, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexuality, and bestiality. It is used figuratively in Revelation with regard to a religious prostitute called “Babylon the Great” to describe her consorting with the rulers of this world for power and material gain. (Rev 14:8; 17:2; 18:3; Mt 5:32; Ac 15:29; Ga 5:19)—See PROSTITUTE.

@AraunaIt just uses the word  porneia.... and what porneia includes ?

 

Now, we have a little problem. WTJWorg forget to put meaning of what adultery is from Mat 5.28 definition, "looks at woman with lust" .... is already adultery. Or we can expand application on each and every, on woman who looks on man, or on one homosexual/lesbian who looks on other heterosexual person or on another homosexual/lesbian person with lust. 

Well, WTJworg definition of "por.nei'a" is not perfect, it is with a significant disadvantage. "Unlawful sexual intercourse" or por.nei'a, according to Jesus, is "looks with lust". Taken from this, husband and wife just need to see, to prove to self, how some of them has/had that "looks with lust" and is free to divorce and to remarry. :))

[James Thomas Rook Jr.]

I have been told that in some Middle-Eastern countries that all someone has to do to divorce their wife is say three times "I divorce thee ! ... I divorce thee ! ... I divorce thee ! ", and put Camel poop on her shoes.