....and like Forest Gump said "... and that's all I am going to say about that."

[TrueTomHarley]

2 hours ago, Thinking said:

also the point about this statement of this website is Theocracy Dies in Darkness....errr ummmm ...not if your one of Jehovah’s Witnesses it  doesn’t..

“What we have here is a failure to communicate,” said Cool Hand Luke, before they shot him dead. 

2 hours ago, Thinking said:

I’m getting as sarcastic as you my brother..

You don’t want to do that. What I meant is that there are many platforms that do not appear to recognize the applicability of Proverbs 11:13:

“a slanderer goes about revealing confidential talk,But the trustworthy person keeps a confidence,”

but instead they carry on as though confidential talk should be revealed to all. It is not something I have any control over—other than whether I should participate on this site or not, and I’ve explained many times why I do.

2 hours ago, Thinking said:

Well I cannot read his heart so I wouldn’t know if he was a lover of Jehovah or not...you must have super powers Tom

No, but you can read her collective comments, and certain things become pretty clear. By doing that, it is as though you have super powers.

Look, I was chastened by your remark. “Point well made,” I said. What more do you want? No one else backed down any. Nor was I the one to fan the flames in the first place. 

 

[Anna]

21 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

No, but you can read her collective comments

I think Thinking thought you were talking about JTR, whearas in fact you were talking about Ann O' Maly 😂. Another classic example of how misunderstandings can happen. It stems from trying to be too diplomatic and not mentioning names. Sometimes it's good to be straightforward. One thing is sure, this thread is teaching quite a few lessons 😁

 

[TrueTomHarley]

56 minutes ago, Anna said:

 Thinking thought you were talking about JTR, whearas in fact you were talking about Ann

Yes it probably was that way. Ah. Now, things make more sense. Thanks for that bit of light.

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

“What we have here is a failure to communicate,”  Wasn't that in a film about murdering the Native Americans ? 

And I think I remember @TrueTomHarley  saying something like 'it's not wise to reveal everything'  

And @Anna I will agree with @Witness  that the scriptures you partially quoted are for the Anointed, not for the Earthly ones.  In fact, as I've said before, I believe the Greek scriptures are for the True Anointed only, although we 'earthlings' can of course understand some scripture and it helps with our daily lives and conduct. 

As for @Thinking, well they come across as saying ' I don't want to be reading this, but i am reading this, but it shouldn't be written here'.   Sorry Thinking, I find you quite funny.  Are you trying to justify the fact that you are here and reading it all, just like the rest of us. ? 

We are all sinners. We all have good and bad thoughts. Most likely we all do good and bad things. 'Let him who is still standing beware he does not fall' 

I would kindly suggest that JWs stop thinking that they are 'better people' than non-JWs. 

From Tom.  Proverbs 11:13:

“a slanderer goes about revealing confidential talk,But the trustworthy person keeps a confidence,”

Is this what the GB use as an excuse for hiding paedophiles in the CCJW ? 

So was the Apostle a slanderer ? 1 Corrinthians 5 v 1 & 2

Actually sexual immorality is reported among you, and such immorality as is not even found among the nations—of a man living with his father’s wife. ²  And are you proud of it? Should you not rather mourn, so that the man who committed this deed should be taken away from your midst?

The Apostle Paul revealed the truth of the situation, just as we all should. 

[TrueTomHarley]

I would not have posted the arrest report, and I would not have posted it exactly for the reason that @Thinkingsays. Thanks to @Annafor clearing that up— it was another who posted it, and that is the person I referred to as “not exactly someone who loves Jehovah.” As for JTR, I think it is pretty clear that he did, screwy though he was in many ways. 

Is it in anyone’s vital interest to know what Ann posted? Is anyone here endangered by not knowing? I would not have posted it.

And, the other person called a “sex beast” from another thread—the one who was convicted for touching offense, not just porn, some decades past and who had never repeated them, the one whom the judge said that his past had finally caught up with him and that he had no choice but to send him to prison, as though if he had a choice, he might choose a less harsh punishment—that one would appear to give the lie to the mantra that a person cannot change. He can. He evidently did. Long ago. So you would almost think more attention would be paid to the wholesome teachings and moral atmosphere that prevailed so as to mold him into a different person.

[Anna]

4 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

the scriptures you partially quoted are for the Anointed, not for the Earthly ones.

It doesn't really matter does it? Are we to ignore good principles and advice just because they were not directly written to us? These are arrangements which help run things in an organized way in a congregation. Besides, most congregations do not have anyone who is annointed. It is logical that the principles that were  written down were originally only applied by the annointed, why, because everyone was annointed! That is not the case anymore, but the principles regarding  taking care of a congregation remain the same don't they? Or are you suggesting there should be no organanized way of doing things?

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

I am wondering if @TrueTomHarley is slyly suggesting that Paedophiles within the CCJW that did their awful deeds in the past, should be let off. And is he also suggesting therefore that the 20 + year database of Child Sexual Abuse concerning the American part of  the CCJW, should be discarded ?

I too would not have posted the arrest report about JTR. I have no idea what the outcome was but as I've said I hope he gets treated fairly and honestly by the Superior Authorities.  I do wonder about his position within the CCJW now, but it's not my business. 

Tom's last paragraph above does not take into account the Victims that suffered the abuse. As I've said before the Victims get treated as 'Collateral damage'.  It seems that Tom is saying that if a person commits Child Sexual Abuse and does not get reported or found out for twenty years, then the accused should just be let off. No feeling for the victims.  I can understand why people have said that the CCJW is a Paedophiles paradise. Paedophiles are kept hidden within the CCJW for many years. It is only the last 5 years that so many investigations have taken place Earthwide into all religions, that all this information has now come to light. Surely ALL Paedophiles should pay the price for their Crimes ?  

I still bring up the point though, if the Australian Bethel had 50 years worth of records regarding CSA, then why does the USA only have 20 years worth of information ? 

[TrueTomHarley]

23 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

It seems that Tom is saying that if a person commits Child Sexual Abuse and does not get reported or found out for twenty years, then the accused should just be let off.

If that’s was Tom was saying or wanted to say, he would have said it. 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

23 minutes ago, Anna said:

It doesn't really matter does it? Are we to ignore good principles and advice just because they were not directly written to us? These are arrangements which help run things in an organized way in a congregation. Besides, most congregations do not have anyone who is annointed. It is logical that the principles that were  written down were originally only applied by the annointed, why, because everyone was annointed! That is not the case anymore, but the principles regarding  taking care of a congregation remain the same don't they? Or are you suggesting there should be no organanized way of doing things?

I'll have to break your comment down here.

Quote These are arrangements which help run things in an organized way in a congregation.

Organised yes. Through the Elders, fair and honest and showing love, no. The elders are not guided by God's Holy Spirit.

Quote because everyone was annointed!

Were they ? Jesus said, recorded at John 10 v 16

  “And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.

Actually the Greek says 'other sheep i am having'. But was Jesus saying that he already had other sheep ?

I think there are other scriptures which could lead one to believe that not all of those followers of Christ were anointed ones. 

Quote Or are you suggesting there should be no organanized way of doing things?

I'm suggesting that an Earthwide organisation that is trying to serve Almighty God properly, through Christ, should be run by the True Anointed from around the Earth. That True Anointed would be Inspired by God's Holy Spirit. They would be from different countries from different tribes and tongues. 

To add to this point the scripture from Revelation 5 v 9 & 10

And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, ¹⁰  and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

Jesus bought the True Anointed with His blood, and those True Anointed are from every tribe and tongue and people and nation'. Therefore the remnant of them should be running the True Organisation that is trying to serve Almighty God properly. 

But the GB tell those of the True Anointed, not to gather together, and even worse, the GB tell those True Anointed that they would be 'working against the holy spirit' if they did gather together. 

So now you decide @Anna. Does it really matter ?  What does your Christian conscience tell you ? 

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

13 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

If that’s was Tom was saying or wanted to say, he would have said it. 

I don't think so. I think Tom is too sly. Tom implies things. 

As an example here, i quote Tom "And, the other person called a “sex beast” from another thread— 

This implies that the 'other person' was only 'called' a 'sex beast'. Whereas all Paedophiles ARE sex beasts. 

[Thinking]

On 8/22/2020 at 2:59 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

“What we have here is a failure to communicate,” said Cool Hand Luke, before they shot him dead. 

You don’t want to do that. What I meant is that there are many platforms that do not appear to recognize the applicability of Proverbs 11:13:

“a slanderer goes about revealing confidential talk,But the trustworthy person keeps a confidence,”

but instead they carry on as though confidential talk should be revealed to all. It is not something I have any control over—other than whether I should participate on this site or not, and I’ve explained many times why I do.

No, but you can read her collective comments, and certain things become pretty clear. By doing that, it is as though you have super powers.

Look, I was chastened by your remark. “Point well made,” I said. What more do you want? No one else backed down any. Nor was I the one to fan the flames in the first place. 

 

My sincere apologies I did think you were talking about Brother Rook...

[Thinking]

On 8/22/2020 at 3:19 PM, Anna said:

I think Thinking thought you were talking about JTR, whearas in fact you were talking about Ann O' Maly 😂. Another classic example of how misunderstandings can happen. It stems from trying to be too diplomatic and not mentioning names. Sometimes it's good to be straightforward. One thing is sure, this thread is teaching quite a few lessons 😁

 

Yes I did Anna ..thank you for the clarification...and your right..this thread certainly is teaching us all something..and now I know what Tom was saying...but I guess this is a prime example of true brotherhood...we sort it out and fix it up...✌️