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[JW Insider]

20 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The GB makes mistakes. “Stay Loyal With Queen Zenobia ... She came crashing to the ground yesterday with no one to mourn her—with no one to say “Too bad, too bad, you great hen!”

I will mourn her loss of prophetic fulfillment. Women in the role of "Kings of the South" will now be "scarce as hen's teeth." What's "sauce for the gander should have been sauce for the goose," I always thought. But now "this bird has flown" south, I presume, for the winter of my discontent.

And speaking of hen's teeth, (definition), I will miss the type of writing she inspired. How many articles can you think of that were written in a way to make ancient history so interesting, and toothsome, and colorful? Like the Watchtower article below:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1999046

“The Dark-Haired Mistress of the Syrian Wild”

HER complexion was olive, her teeth pearly white, her eyes black and lustrous. She was well-educated and was a proficient linguist. This warrior queen was said to be greater in intellect than Cleopatra and perhaps equally beautiful. Because she dared to stand up to the dominant world power of her day, she fulfilled a prophetic role in a Scriptural drama. After she was long-dead, writers praised her, and painters idealized her. A 19th-century poet portrayed her as “the dark-haired mistress of the Syrian wild.” This highly acclaimed woman was Zenobia—queen of the Syrian city of Palmyra.

How did Zenobia gain prominence? What was the political climate that led to her rise to power? What can be said of her character? And what prophetic role did this queen fulfill? Consider first the geographic setting in which the drama unfolds.

. . . . With her colorful personality, Zenobia won the admiration of many.

[A-lass and a-lack* and ...A-hem? I would have pleated that we not skirt this personality as the system pants on to the end, and finally unfolds to its clothes.]

^{*See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alack_and_alas where the etymology has nothing to do with a lack of a lass (female sweetheart).}

^{Someone messaged me once a couple years ago to tell me that these puns don't translate into their native language. Thus, these links and footnotes to show that they also don't really translate well into English or into Humor, either.}

[TrueTomHarley]

27 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

HER complexion was olive, her teeth pearly white, her eyes black and lustrous. She was well-educated and was a proficient linguist. This warrior queen was said to be greater in intellect than Cleopatra and perhaps equally beautiful.

Tell me about it. I had a real crush on her.

”And Zenob’s the name of his latest flame”

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

Quote JW Insider  (My computer will not let me tag) 

I do not defend them as the equivalent of "the faithful and discreet slave." That, to me, and perhaps even according to the words of Brother Jackson of the GB, is a pretty presumptuous and haughty assumption, therefore not in keeping with being faithful and discreet. I am making an assumption that this is a serious error, 

Of course it is a serious error, but in my opinion it is deliberate. It deliberately exalts them above their FELLOW SLAVES. Which in turn makes them the EVIL SLAVE that beats his Fellow Slaves. AND, to me it shows that they are saying that  'The Master Is Delaying'.

All the hype about the last second of the last minute of the last hour of the last day of the last week of the time of the end, proves how much they are saying that 'the Master is delaying'. The leaders of the Org were saying this same thing in the late 1960's. 

So I have to disagree with you when you say " but it does not discredit all the work they do. ".  I think it totally discredits everything they do. And the way they are still hiding the CSA database, and still not cooperating with the Superior Authorities in America and Australia, also discredits anything else they do. 

Now I wonder, if the complete number of the Anointed remnant were all the F&DS, and if all of them had been given a voice concerning the CSA in America and Australia, what would have been the outcome ? Do you see my point here? The GB are frightened of losing complete control over the rest of the Anointed remnant. They actually said that the Anointed would be 'working against the Spirit' if they were to meet together for spiritual study and association. 

 

• “We Want to Go With You”
• The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom (Simplified)—2016

⁸ Anointed Christians do not feel that they should spend time only with other anointed ones, as if they were members of a club. They do not try to find other anointed ones so that they can talk about being anointed or meet in groups to study the Bible. (Galatians 1:15-17) The congregation would not be united if anointed ones did this. They would be working against the holy spirit, which helps God’s people to have peace and unity. 

This is the Governing Body that you approve of is it ? The GB you say that are not discredited ? 

Quote I have a feeling that you are too quick to jump on any place where someone finds a reason not to support a specific teaching of the GB, 

Um, yes, their ideas on masturbation not being porneia was one. And their idea of, if a man and a woman spend time in the same building together, they are automatically accused of having sex. and then there was Pillowgate  .

Quote  You recently asked about a translation issue where I think that the great majority of the 700 verses that were translated with the "prove to be" construct in the NWT were unnecessary, and some potentially misleading 

I was always taught by JWs (when I started studying)  that the NWT was translated by the help of God's Holy Spirit. Therefore I believed it without question. I've since realised that the GB and the previous Leaders never had and do not have God's holy spirit as guidance. As an example the scripture where Thomas says "the Holes in the Hands where the Nails passed through "   and then the Org / GB produce a book with a picture of Jesus on the stake with ONE nail through His WRISTS.  I don't even have to dig deep to find fault. It is all there on the surface for all to see. 

I don't even like the phrase 'torture stake' and I think in truth the word is just 'stake' 

[TrueTomHarley]

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

How did you know?

Sorry. That was just for 4Jah’s sake. He’ll believe anything bad about a JW.

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

this is now out and it makes very good sense because the weeds had already taken over the Christian congregation

I likened it to the ingredients of a sandwich disappearing. When that happens, what’s the point of keeping track of the two slices of bread that enclose it?

When the ingredients reappear—well, we know that God’s people are to be between a rock and a hard place. Who corresponds to that? What two parties during the World Wars hate each other’s guts, and also give the covenant people grief for the same reason, that of neutrality?

I agree with you. I think things become very clear as we near the end.

[JW Insider]

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

”And Zenob’s the name of his latest flame”

I clicked. I thought this line was especially funny:

"That evening I prepared a protest sign: “Zenobia Lives!” but then I realized there would be no convention to carry it to."

It hadn't occurred to me that apostates will no longer have a venue to carry their messages. I hope that none of them discover the Internet.

[TrueTomHarley]

2 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

It hadn't occurred to me that apostates will no longer have a venue to carry their messages. I hope that none of them discover the Internet.

A lot of them a kind of stupid—I doubt that will happen.

[Witness]

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Yes, i also see this as problem. No religious organization, in this case a Christian, can provide complete and accurate knowledge and explanations of biblical events or of Jesus. When a believer realizes that his or her affiliation with a particular church does not provide “salvation,” it should help him or her build a “spiritual” rather than a “literal” faith.

14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Reassure yourself that "my organization" has the highest number of correct teachings than any other organization, it can not be guarantee for "salvation". Did Jesus say anywhere that one's affiliation with a particular church would be crucial in separating "sheep from goats" in Judgement Day?.

Many religious organizations are high profile, like Mormonism, the Catholic Church and Islam. Blood, sweat, even tears over the centuries created some stunningly beautiful buildings.  JWs pride themselves on their own building feats, as if God has blessed their hand, when history shows greater works in the name of religion have been built. All it takes is slave labor and money.  

I know I’ve referred to John 4 so many times, and Jesus’ conversation with the woman at the well.  She pointed to the mountain in Samaria where her temple stood; Jesus mentioned the temple in Jerusalem.  These were literal places which he remarked would no longer be used for worship. No mountain would be necessary to worship God.    But man continued building “mountains" to worship God.  They named them, “God’s house”or " God's temple".  How many houses of God or temples stand in various religions today?  Which one does God really reside in?  Which one would He choose?  Such works are futile attempts for over 2,000 years. They all have left a legacy of lies, while promising salvation, and the WT organization is following in their footprints.

“Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said, ⁶ “These things which you see—the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down.”

⁷ So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”

⁸ And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them.”  Luke 21:5-8

 

“For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: ¹⁹ whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things.”  Phil 3:18,19

 

 

 

[Patiently waiting for Truth]

A lot of them a kind of stupid— No tom the stupid ones are JWs that stay in the CCJW and serve the GB 

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[Witness]

On 7/10/2020 at 1:23 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

JWs have put themselves among company in which peer-pressure is going to nudge them in the safer direction.

 About twenty percent of the time.  Eighty percent of the time, the results of JW  peer pressure are brutal. 

Would you call the statement below, nudging in the safer direction?  Or, is it a tyrannical threat?  

"But we are acting against Jehovah’s purpose if we do not obey the faithful and discreet slave or if we choose to obey only what we think is important. And if we act against Jehovah’s purpose, we cannot be his friends. In the next article, we will talk about some situations that give us the opportunity to show if we are obedient. The decisions we make in these situations will show if we have entered into God’s rest."  WT 11/7/15 p. 21

Are your peers keeping tab on whether you are 'showing' that you are obedient to the GB?   Are elders your peers, or are they the tyrants that must decide if God is still your friend?

 "It (false prophet) was permitted to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast (organization) could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed." Rev 13:15

"give breath" - spirit breathed - "spirit directed"

 

 

 

https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/search?q=Elder+bloodguilt

 

 

 

 

[TrueTomHarley]

On 7/12/2020 at 2:33 AM, Anna said:

There have always been opposers, but now they are finding more of a voice than they ever had before...

Sometimes all you have to do with a statement like that from the Glock is to show a little flexibility. Like the boy that was spanked by his Dad and protested that he hadn’t committed the offense he was being punished for. “Well—in that case, that’s for something that you did do for which you should have been punished but weren’t,” dear old dad said.

So it is with Glock’s words. Covid doesn’t fit as well as we might like? Try the arrests in Russia—110 homes burst into, with persons—many elderly, many women, children among them, by cops in with assault weapons—in a single night.  Maybe his words will fit better there:

 

[Srecko Sostar]

3 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Sometimes all you have to do with a statement like that from the Glock is to show a little flexibility.

 

4 hours ago, Witness said:

"But we are acting against Jehovah’s purpose if we do not obey the faithful and discreet slave or if we choose to obey only what we think is important. And if we act against Jehovah’s purpose, we cannot be his friends. In the next article, we will talk about some situations that give us the opportunity to show if we are obedient. The decisions we make in these situations will show if we have entered into God’s rest."  WT 11/7/15 p. 21

FLEXIBILITY vs OBEY

:)))

[Arauna]

5 hours ago, Witness said:

peer pressure are brutal

Anyone who has thought about society knows that peer pressure is everywhere. At work, any club, in groups of friends, gangs - everywhere you go there is some form of peer pressure …to be accepted, even to have the image of being free in a so-called group where everyone follows their own desires, even there, there is is peer pressure - that of appearance of conforming to the image. 

How did Hitler become so powerful?  Radio propaganda and peer pressure.  Why did people follow orders ?  Peer pressure made them kill others... against their natural instinct.  So peer pressure can be a good thing or bad.  So when people say peer pressure to conform to good standards is brutal.... then you know what you are dealing with. 

Several experiments were done in the 1950s due to the Hitler era.  They are on Youtube. One experiment was about the amount of pain a person would inflict on others if ordered by authority to do so. Another experiment I recall was also interesting:  A group of people were in on the experiment. One candidate was brought in to choose the shortest line among many.  Others in the (informed) group all chose the wrong ones and vocally said so... eventually the person went against his own (correct) conviction and chose the wrong answer because most of the others had chosen it...

Why I say the governments are so evil now is because of all the secret experiments they have done on crowd control, mind control and social engineering.  They are manipulating internet to get people to think how they want you to think.  (conspiracy)? 

There are many historical documentaries online that show how the government used the Nazis (dr. Mengele types - they secretly brought them to America - operation paperclip - and here these Nazis received positions, new names) Their compromised consciences allowed them to further their research on mind control...and many programs were started which were in secret. MKULTRA was one of these programs.  These psychological research/brutal experiments ( done in secret) is only now surfacing with the release of old documents. 

That is why we are now in a time when they will manipulate everyone to do their bidding and only those with very strong faith will survive.  I have read about the use of frequencies etc to stimulate certain parts of the brain etc. They will use this in future as well.  Jehovah will have to step in.  All I know is - this world is totally evil and many vulnerable people were experimented on in USA and Canada without their knowledge  (so-called countries with human rights).  Some of the things they did to these people are shocking!

Better to have a little peer pressure to do the right thing than peer pressure to worship the state.  China has got all the technology to do this now and most citizens dare not speak out, even if they do not agree with what is going on.  CCP  used to hide this from foreigners in their midst but it is totally out in the open now.  everyone has to bow to their will.

So for those here who have a problem with peer pressure - your own desires to be accepted bring on the peer pressure. If you are a natural rebel, then you will also have a problem because in broader society you will have issues - except with immediate family.  Now the state is starting to attack family structure as well.  if they break this - you will have no support system.

The hunger and food shortages coming (due to extended lock-down) will make people conform even further - to get food.... you may not be able to buy and sell?  Let us see first what kind of new economic fedcoin, yuancoin, blockchain coin, or whatever digital system will arise in place of petro-dollar. The bank of international settlements, world bank, IMF etc will come up with something......