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15 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

But Tom has to go further of course, he looks for ways to criticise almost everyone. 

Maybe some of you should do an in depth observation of each member of the GB. You seem happy to find fault with everyone that has different views to you. But you JWs just love to worship your GB. 

Hate-OCD - target, target , anyone you can. If targeting witnesses was a ' speech crime' he would get 6 years. 

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I brought it up because it's one of several places where Furuli's book provides the exact type of anecdote I am familiar with. These types of interactions were evidently memorable and important to Furuli, too. But you might recall that among Witnesses it started with a basis in the Watch Tower publications. We have all the evidence that the initial speculation and the promotion of that speculation came directly from the publications and later from talking points from Circuit and District Se

If it was JWI, you’d still be reading it.  Because that “merely” is a pretty big merely.  What if my roof caves in tomorrow and I decide it’s God’s fault? What if I park on the Kingdom Hall lawn, the elders tell me not to, and I say, “Oh yeah?! Well I show you right here on my blog!!!!” If I do it at Bethel, the GB will “merely” decline to put their stamp of approval on my rant—they will put me on potato-peeling detail in the kitchen instead, and call up someone from the bullpen wh

In this world nothing is perfect because humans tend to overstep boundaries - even Moses did so. But if we are really prepared to give our life for another (spirit of christ), then reading our bible and sticking close to jehovah would be our main goal - and spreading the core teachings of the bible, such as the kingdom government. This saves lives. No other actions are worth a reward from jehovah more than these. To humbly serve others. Literal rebellion against any other human (turn t

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Regarding to the illustration of the "faithful slave" (Mt 24) or "faithful steward" (Lu 12) we find a quote that I think is pertinent in the letter of Ignatius to the Ephesians VI:

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CHAPTER VI. Now the more any one sees the bishop keeping silence, the more ought he to revere him. For we ought to receive every one whom the Master of the house sends to be over His household, as we would do Him that sent him. It is manifest, therefore, that we should look upon the bishop even as we would upon the Lord Himself. And indeed Onesimus himself greatly commends your good order in God, that ye all live according to the truth, and that no sect has any dwelling-place among you. Nor, indeed, do ye hearken to any one rather than to Jesus Christ speaking in truth.

These commentaries of certain Ignatius from the end of the 1st or early 2nd century show us an UNSPECIALIZED, but generic, use of the "slave class", that is, it does not represent a group or class with a specific mission, but that any member of the congregation -mainly the "episkopos" (bishop) of the same has the commission to supervise it.
 

I think this idea it was first mentioned for @JW Insider, and something similar is said in Furuli's book: there wasn't any specialized class attending the household in those days. 

Neither did Ignatius wait for the last days to arrive for the declaration on the "faithful slave" to be fulfilled. Already in those days it was necessary that any Christian with supervisory responsibilities be that, prudent and faithful.

By the way, Ignacio already believed he was living in the last days:

11:1 These are the last times. Henceforth let us have reverence;

 

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1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Betel HQ in US is physical place where some people creating  policies and run the business. 

They are registered in every country as a non-profit because it is the LAW.  One cannot print books etc without registered license. 

You should read up about this - maybe you will stop judging and get more understanding.

On 5/26/2020 at 6:28 PM, TrueTomHarley said:

is like a plague of locusts. Get Kos on it.

He has fled to the wilderness.

14 hours ago, César Chávez said:

keeping God’s house clean, not just from bad influence, but bad actors within the ORG.

So true! 

14 hours ago, César Chávez said:

GB to continue in their fine works by obeying God to the letter of dispensing spiritual food, they are now to busy having to settle complaints of individuals.

People writing them long letters with their personal spiritual views and getting no answers..... and really expecting an answer!....... then getting bitter because they thought they were more equal than others....

14 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

There is a firm movement under the guise of ‘anti-cultism’ to make religion a decided subset of the state—with all its policies to be reviewable by the state. How strongly Rulf plays into this I cannot say, but I’ll bet

This happened to the catholic church in China..... new government translation of the bible...... all unwanted material removed...

The Pope gave permission for CCP officials to appoint bishops..... next thing they know all church business and the members...... then soft persecution....... now getting worse.  Google it. Persecution in China after Vatican-China deal.

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I see, in my opinion, that the parables of the slave/ steward could have three senses:

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According to the Bible, in a sense I am a steward, or supervisor of my family. I have to take care of it, feed it and take care of it.

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(1 Timothy 5:17) "Let the elders who preside in a fine way ..." shows that in each congregation there must be some who supervises and cares for the rest of the congregation: a steward group of elders.

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In the final age it would be neccesary a global stewardship

The analysis of the next passage alone yields much information on this matter, the administration or stewardship of the "house of God":

(Revelation 7:9, 10) . . .After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

1) A large number of people would be saved from the final Great Tribulation
    Each one in her house, living only according to her criteria or conscience? Let's see

2) They ALL dress the SAME way, in white in the eyes of God
    So there should be a unified behavior and conduct, not based ONLY on individual consciousness

3) They speak in unison, they have a common message
    They "shouted" the same message. There is nothing worse than a detuned choir.

4) The basic doctrinal body would be the same
    They worship one God and see the value of the Lamb.

5) Something that would make this unit difficult is that they come from very different backgrounds
    "of all nations, tribes, peoples, and languages,"

How could Mt 24:14 be accomplished with the outcome of Rev 7:9-10 without direction, organization, supervision or stewardship?

Over there I am listening to one, there in the background, who says that Christ from heaven takes charge, with the holy spirit, that there is no need for greater supervision. Am I right?

if someone thinks like that, let's consider:

In another apocalyptic prophecy we read that
    (Daniel 11:33). . those having insight among the people will impart understanding to the many. . .
    (Daniel 12:10). . . And the wicked will act wickedly and no wicked will understand. Only those having insight will understand.

It seems that the prophecy indicates that there would be TWO groups of worshipers: the PEOPLE, the MANY on one side, and THOSE HAVING INSIGHT on the other. And this second group would help to obtain knowledge to the first one.

Yes, it would be necessary to teach others not the basic truths of the Gospel but what the angel said:
    "(Daniel 12: 9)" these words must be kept secret and sealed until the end time "

"These words", which should be understood with the help of "those having insight", refer to such profound thoughts of Daniel's prophecy that even the prophet himself was unable to understand (Daniel 12:8  "I heard, but I did not understand"

Thus, this last world stewardship seems very necessary, since unifying an international crowd with similar behavior, with similar beliefs, that have a united message, would be impossible without such leadership. And Daniel adds a smaller group that oversees that teaching.
 

So stewardship applies, in my opinion, to any Christian who has to be a steward: on my family, on my congregation, and on the entire world brotherhood.

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(Matthew 24:48) . . .“But if ever that evil slave says in his heart. . ." this is for another day
 

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5 hours ago, Arauna said:

One cannot print books etc without registered license. 

WT do printing publication on several  locations around the globe, less than before because they shuted down some facilities. 

 

5 hours ago, Arauna said:

They are registered in every country as a non-profit because it is the LAW.  One cannot print books etc without registered license. 

In Croatia, as in many other countries there is no need to have printing licence from law. Because they not printing publications and books. For printing tracts for summer convention program or some other convention twice a year, call tracts for public meetings and Lord's supper is easily to order in "worldly" printing shop.

In Mexico they was registered as Cultural Society.

Why JW's need to be registered as non-profit organization/corporation?? You can be simple Religious Association of Citizens or International Religious Volunteer. Who forced JW's to be registered as non-profit COMPANY??

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9 hours ago, Arauna said:

Could it be a matter of politics?

Yes. I think so. Someone asked Rush Limbaugh his reaction to the Boy Scout bankruptcy. In answer, he spoke to a radical leftist move to destroy anything standing for traditional family, using their own occasional failures to bring them down. I hadn’t thought of that before, I but think there is a common theme—that JWs are part of, but by no means the whole target of a movement that would remold anything of traditional family or God.

And, no—I don’t listen to Rush 24/7. Unless I am driving somewhere with the radio on, I don’t listen at all. But I did, 30 years ago, record the show and listen each night. I also, before that, listened to Larry King each night—and he is of the opposite politics. In his heyday he had the most interesting show of all. Each night he interviewed an author, each one of a different field of interest. One hour of his own Q & A, followed by 2 hours of call-in questions from the audience. He was so good. He would not let callers ramble on with long-winded speech-making questions—he forced the windbags to be succinct. He kept focus on the guest and made his own comments few. Unfortunately, his show got bought out by some network and they changed the format completely, putting him on only interviews with puff celebrities, and his newsworthy relevance fell off a cliff. 

Before that I would zip through Books on Tape from the library during my mundane work, and only stopped when the library ran out of books other than the bestsellers of the day. “Stupid janitor forgot to leave an extra roll of toilet paper—I’m screwed,” someone tweeted. I tweeted back, “I read 50 of the BBC’s top 100 books of all time via Books on Tape, far more than anyone else on the thread, while working as a janitor. Sorry about the toilet paper.”

Larry King famously did not read the books beforehand of the authors he would interview. He said he did it that way so that he could approach each book with a layman’s curiosity and not his own pre-formed opinion. He was probably just being lazy, but that does not mean that what he said was not true—he could more easily approach topics with honest curiosity and without bias. I find myself doing something similar with books such as Rulf’s, which I may someday read but I am in no hurry. It is in my area of expertise—why should I drop everything to wolf it down? It is someone’s takeaway from their own experiences. I have my own experiences and my own reactions to things he responds to. Why should I assume his are better? Did he go to a fancy-pants school? So did I. I don’t make a big deal over it because it has never done me any good (my fault, not theirs) but if he starts slobbering over ‘higher education’—well, I know that world well. 

None of us are Jesus, of course, but I like the response to his Sermon on the Mount of how people were astounded. “When Jesus finished these sayings, the effect was that the crowds were astounded at his way of teaching. for he was teaching as one having authority and not as their scribes”—the scribes that had nothing original to say but would just expound upon the opinions of each other. Jesus ignored it all to contribute his own (actually God’s) take on things. 

Everybody has a few books in them and if they do not have the wherewithal to write them, that does not make their stories any the less valid or interesting. I may get around to Rulf, but he’ll have to wait his turn. My story is as good. As it is, there is a certain idiot here (he will not have read down this far because he cries foul at any sentence longer than a dozen words) who crows about all that Rulf has “proven” the moment he is aware of the book, without even reading it. I’ll know that I have arrived when I release a book and AllenSmith gushes on about how I have knocked the ball out of the park simply by virtue of writing a book, without having read it.

 

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8 hours ago, ComfortMyPeople said:

These commentaries of certain Ignatius from the end of the 1st or early 2nd century show us an UNSPECIALIZED, but generic, use of the "slave class", that is, it does not represent a group or class with a specific mission, but that any member of the congregation -mainly the "episkopos" (bishop) of the same has the commission to supervise it.

You seem to forget, after 100CE, Christianity lost its mission. The teaching of Christ was sidelined for a more worldly view of church power and who would retain it. The Watchtower was built to "regain" that lost ideology and bring back the first century teachings of Christ. Within that teaching, Jesus left formal instructions for responsible men. Therefore, the watchtower will follow God's instructions not man's. That is Furuli's book take. He believes the members are choking the GB. To some extent, there is proof of that. Unfortunately, just like Jesus and his apostles were not able to relinquish their commission of God's Holy Spirit, why are members now asking that of the GB. 

It would seem, worldly dedication has taken ground just after 100CE

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16 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

He believes the members are choking the GB.

I think I like the above post and so I bestowed you the highest act of love one person can give to another—a ‘like’—but I did it mostly for your take on the 1rst century and the modern JW work to restore it. However—what did you mean by the above quote?

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Poor old Tom. You see @Arauna that Tom is still criticising people. You say it's me with OCD. Please have a word with your friend Tom about it. 

My point was not about a book as Tom suggests, but about higher education being of help to a person that writes a book and has it published. Keep up @TrueTomHarley And you've written 6 paragraphs to say nothing of importance. Do you ever think spiritually ? Or is it only material things on your mind.

@ComfortMyPeople  Quote "It seems that the prophecy indicates that there would be TWO groups of worshipers: the PEOPLE, the MANY on one side, and THOSE HAVING INSIGHT on the other. And this second group would help to obtain knowledge to the first one."

This brings us back to the 'Ten men clinging to the skirt of a Jew' 

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  Zechariah 8:23 
This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'"

And to : Act 2 v 17

'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

 But this means that "THOSE HAVING INSIGHT" MUST be inspired by God's Holy Spirit. 

Quote These words", which should be understood with the help of "those having insight", refer to such profound thoughts of Daniel's prophecy that even the prophet himself was unable to understand (Daniel 12:8  "I heard, but I did not understand

This proves that 'those having insight' will require the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit to understand. 

The Governing Body of CCJW have admitted to NOT being inspired. Yet they say they are of the Anointed. And they say that they are the faithful and discreet slave. 

The Leaders of the Bible Students and the CCJW have made many mistakes and probably deliberately told lies. Now even if we put 'everything' down to mistakes, why would God / Christ allow that to happen in Their chosen organisation ?  And that is without taking into account the immorality in the CCJW. The lack of love and mercy. The stumbling of many congregants. 

Unfortunately the CCJW being American it 'allows for' a lot of collateral damage. Where as Jesus spoke of the fine shepherd that would leave his 99 sheep to go and find the lost one.  

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Thus, this last world stewardship seems very necessary, since unifying an international crowd with similar behavior, with similar beliefs, that have a united message, would be impossible without such leadership. And Daniel adds a smaller group that oversees that teaching.

Lets look at this. Yes, a true Anointed class that are inspired of God's Holy Spirit, is necessary. 

The behavior of this 'united crowd' need not be exactly the same at this time. The Earth is a big place. The 'beard' thing is a great example of this.

The beliefs of course must be the same, but by choice, not forced. And those beliefs must come from a true Anointed who are inspired by God through Christ.

The message must be a true one, and not keep changing. If something is not known, then it should be told as not known. It should not be guessed at. 

And of course the true Anointed ones would be a much smaller group. 

In my opinion it was the 'Anointed ones' that Jesus died for. Rev 5 v 9 & 10

And they sing a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and open its seals, for you were slaughtered and with your blood you bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, 10  and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”

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9 hours ago, ComfortMyPeople said:

These commentaries of certain Ignatius from the end of the 1st or early 2nd century show us an UNSPECIALIZED, but generic, use of the "slave class

So we must now look to Ignatius? Instead of the bible? Remember, already in the time of apostle John the Greek influence and apostate ideas had already infiltrated the congregations.  Jesus gave warning about the weeds.  Math 19. The most insidious weeds were the Greek philosophy and oratory traditions which was literally everywhere!  There were gymnasiums etc. in Palestine. 

9 hours ago, ComfortMyPeople said:

there wasn't any specialized class attending the household in those days. 

Matthew 24 is about the last days of the Jewish system but it says that the preaching work will be done in the last days in " entire world" then the end will come..... so it refers to our time. 

It afterward talks about a slave..... so this is obviously only a feature of the last days of the entire earthly system....... and it asks a question: who is the FDS?  It obviously means that it is important for each individual to recognize who this FDS is.

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On 5/28/2020 at 5:41 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

JW members need to have more insight and knowledge and intuition about issue and not drop all and every individual who have issue with sex identity into "devil influence" and/or individual "evilness".

I remember a person who openly told everyone they had AIDs and came to meetings. It is a lie that we are not accomdating to all kinds of people. We are very kind to anyone accepting Jehovahs moral standards.

The problem is usually with them - they do not accept Jehovahs moral standards.

Universities and tech corporations are pushing this new 'cultural revolution'  which is inspired by the Marx's  manifesto.  This includes atheism and lack of conscience and morals.

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    • By The Librarian
      It was by the order of King Christian 4th. who had declared that the JHWH should be made known. He also had it placed on other buildings throughout Danmark, Sweden and Norway
    • By Jack Ryan
      Massive article in print tomorrow, a follow up from the excellent "The Elder"-article printed earlier, that was made available for us in English version here.

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. Tomorrow there's a huge follow-up, I will not share the full article now, due to respect of the amazing work that is done by the journalists, but I'm sure we will find a solution if you have som patience. Meanwhile there is a possibility to create an account and read the article in Norwegian here:

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. I have made a translation of the headline and the intro:
    • By Jack Ryan
      An article featured on the front page of the newspaper Stavanger Aftenblad (Norway) with the article in the 'magazine' section. Stavanger Aftenblad is a popular daily newspaper based in Stavanger, south-west Norway.

    • By Jack Ryan
      The pictures above is today's printed edition of the Norwegian newspaper Fædrelandsvennen. They have published the result of two years journalism where they have been digging deeply into the issues of PIMO life, the struggle to break free, and the consequences for mental health.
      Today they printed the first of seven articles as a result of this work, the story of "Fredrik" who is a fader, a story a lot of you will relate to. The next six articles will be in print the following days to come.
      All seven articles are now published online for subscribers. I will eventually provide translations of all articles into English here on this sub, but for now they have to stay this way. I would really appreciate if some of you would subscribe and read the articles through Google Translate. It will give you a better story, a complete layout with all the pictures and references. You can subscribe for only 1 NOK the first month, that is just a dime, 1/8 of a dollar. Just remember to unsubscribe after you register, so it doesn't keep running, you still keep your first month. If you need help subscribing, please feel free to dm me.
      This is the seven articles:

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 1- The story of "Fredrik" a fader who is struggling to find his way and keep his children away from the Cult. Also talks about the mental breakdown he had while waking up.

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 2. A psychiatrist speaking about the mental damages done to all of us because of the way JWs raise their children based on the threat of shunning. She speaks out about the impact this has on children and the way the brain works when it is pushed on this. She is "Fredrik's" healthcare professional and have followed his journey the last three years.
       

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 3. "Rita" , a df'd woman, telling about her story, being df'd at 19, then reinstated just to be with his family even though everyone knew she didn't believe. Tells the story about how her elder dad fixed the reinstatement.
       

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 4. "Geir", he left as a youth before he got baptized, so he is not completely shunned. Tells the story on how this has affected his life, being an outcast from the rest of his family.
       

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 5. A childcare professional speaking out after reading the other stories. Says she is shocked and says that this needs more attention from professionals. Promises to take this up the system.
       

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 6. A massacre of the Shepherd-book. A PhD in Theology walks through it in detail and comments on the way they micromanage the life of JW's.
       

      Hello guest! Please register or sign in (it's free) to view the hidden content. 7. The afterlife, an article about people who help those who have left.
      And for those who have bothered to read this post this far...."Fredrik", the dude on the front page, is me...
    • By Jack Ryan
      Det er livesending nummer 2 i Idol 2018 og 10 deltakere skal bli 9. Kveldens tema er «Dette er meg» og vi skal bli ordentlig godt kjent med finalistene vÃ¥re.
    • By Jack Ryan
      An article in Aftenposten, Norway's largest printed newspaper by circulation.
      18,000 join together at Norway's biggest Bible convention
      Tens of thousands gathered at the Bible meeting in the Telenor Arena
    • By Queen Esther
      YAHWEH  - The  only  TRUE  GOD !  PROOF - God's Name,  YAH  Is  Written  On  Your  Face  &  Throughout  Creation !    ( Rev. 14:1  -  Rev. 22:4 )
       YAHWEH IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD:  Matthew 28:19 (KJV) Go ye therefore, and TEACH  *ALL NATIONS*,  baptizing them in THE NAME OF THE FATHER,  and of  THE SON,  and of the  Holy Spirit !
      Isaiah 45 5,  I am YAHWEH, and  THERE IS NONE ELSE,  there is NO GOD BESIDES ME:  I girded thee,  though thou hast not  known me:  6 That they may know from the rising of the sun,  and from the west,  that  THERE IS NONE BESIDE ME.  I am YAHWEH,  YHWH, JEHOVAH,  and there is  NONE  ELSE...
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    • By Anna
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      It is to be noted that both Rolf Furuli and Gerard Gertroux are both Jehovah's Witnesses.
       




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