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When i strongly criticize WTJWorg + GB + Helpers, why is this same to you as criticizing God?

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2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

like most JWs, is that you cannot understand that God is not your GB, and your GB are not God

Like most Judas-imitators you have a severe virus of hate- OCD and are so arrogant that you think all JWs worship people and cannot think for themselves. You cannot think for yourself that God may have a world-wide organization on earth.  Please tell me where there is another world-wide organization that teaches people about Jehovah.   If you cannot answer this question - do not bother to answer me.

 

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@César Chávez  @Srecko Sostar is right.  Criticizing the GB, Watchtower or CCJW  IS NOT criticizing Almighty God or Jesus Christ. 

If it was so, the when Jesus criticized the Pharisees he would have been criticizing his heavenly Father too.

CC do you know your problem ?  Well your problem is that you think your GB and their helpers are serving God. But in truth your GB and their helpers are not serving God at all. 

As for association with the CCJW, well the CCJW changes it's teachings and rules and lots of hidden information has become available over the past years. What I'm saying is that the CCJW / Watchtower is not the same as it once was. So when a person of good Christian conscience realises how bad and immoral the CCJW has become and how it's teachings no longer teach TRUTH but has gone after it's own ambitions, then a good honest Christian will separate them selves from that immoral and wicked Organisation. 

And when you, CC, say " Understand what Christian unity should mean, and the body of Christ is."  

Do you, or the GB, actually understand either ?  The GB tell the Body of Christ, the True Anointed, not to gather together for prayer or to discuss scriptures. The GB say it would be working against the Holy Spirit if the True Anointed gathered together. So where is the unity of your GB with their 'Fellow Slaves' ? 

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Sorry to say, the librarian has misunderstood the point I was attempting to make and took my words out of context. God won’t hold people accountable for not listening to the Watchtower. The post is a misrepresentation of that.

What is true is, God will hold those accountable for not listening to Christ as the Watchtower does. Witnesses around the world are not going to be saved by the watchtower but rather, they will save themselves by adjusting their Christian life as illustrated by the Watchtower through scripture by their actions and obedience to God and Christ. That’s the difference.

Since the Watchtower structures itself is through the inspired word of God, judging the discipleship of the Watchtower members by “judging” and “questioning” witness motives to obey, then you are in essence questioning and judging god’s inspired words simply because they do adhere to Bible principle. That difference should have been made clear by not changing the words of others. Romans 8:1

The same type of motives that outsiders used to condemn Christ and the Apostles.  Romans 2:1-29

Did God condemn and destroy those who actually killed his first creation (born)? John 3:17

It's up to the individual to obey Gods command. It’s a Christian obligation to keep the body of Christ clean. That is the church.

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Dear @The Librarian you make little confusion by removing some posts under new topic. :) Title: When i strongly criticize WTJWorg + GB + Helpers, why is this same to you as criticizing God? is part of my comment in responding to @César Chávez and it is not topic made by @Arauna

What do you suggest? Topic can be interesting for discussion and perhaps people would like to participate.

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6 hours ago, César Chávez said:

What is true is, God will hold those accountable for not listening to Christ as the Watchtower does.

And you are sure that WT with GB listens Christ in all things, little and big? 

6 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Since the Watchtower structures itself is through the inspired word of God,

Please, we need to separate "inspired Word of God" from "uninspired human organization structure". How you can came to idea that "perfect word" created "imperfect organization"?

Bible is "relatively" "perfect", because it is given to "imperfect human". What imperfect human can do with perfect words? They would not be able to understand "perfect language". In that respect Bible is something "perfect" to people, humankind in particular periods of time. But many things in Bible are not "perfect" any more. For example does it "Perfect Law" in time of Moses given to old Israel, is "perfect" for people today, for JW members today??!! No, it is not. And JW's proves that every single day, because they not living by "perfect Words" written in The Law. Even God himself "destroyed" His own "perfect words" and replaced it with Jesus's Teachings.

And you are ready to believe, with millions of JW's, how WTJWorg is divine structure similar to Old Israel? If you want to be Jesus's follower, disciple you will recognize how Jesus did not support nothing similar to Old Jew "Theocracy".

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49 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And you are sure that WT with GB listens Christ in all things, little and big? 

The Watchtower does with its illustration of fine works as described and instructed by Christ himself. Do I suggest all members within the organization hold true to that Christian value, no! I do however see my brothers with responsibility such as the GB actions do conform to Gods commands and Christ instructions.

54 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Please, we need to separate "inspired Word of God" from "uninspired human organization structure". How you can came to idea that "perfect word" created "imperfect organization"?

You should understand me by now, I always separate church from state. It would be equally advantageous if you had the same process.

57 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And you are ready to believe, with millions of JW's, how WTJWorg is divine structure similar to Old Israel? If you want to be Jesus's follower, disciple you will recognize how Jesus did not support nothing similar to Old Jew "Theocracy".

Once again, the understanding of scripture with issues driven by outside influences become questionable when the ideology is taken out of context. Jesus was well versed in the ancient scrolls as well as the misapplication of Jewish laws. Therefore, to understand the difference, the right context of Matthew 5:17 needs to be applied.

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4 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Once again, the understanding of scripture with issues driven by outside influences become questionable when the ideology is taken out of context. Jesus was well versed in the ancient scrolls as well as the misapplication of Jewish laws. Therefore, to understand the difference, the right context of Matthew 5:17 needs to be applied.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

To continue; why WTJWorg need to have enormous numbers of rules, instructions and various policies, similar to Old Law that Jesus put out of power? Little and big WTJWorg "laws". Jesus made "simplified edition" and "Jesus Law" said this: “Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ” - Gal 6:2.  (To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law.- 1 Cor 9:21)

Most Bible teachers understand the law of Christ to be what Christ stated were the greatest commandments in 

    Hello guest!
, “‘Which commandment is the most important of all?’ Jesus answered, ‘The most important is, “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” The second is this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” There is no other commandment greater than these.’”

Well again, have to ask: why WTJWorg need to have massive organizational structure (half religious and half secular) with hierarchy and all various departments, when Jesus ask from his followers only to "Carry each other’s burdens"??!! :))

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5 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

And you are sure that WT with GB listens Christ in all things, little and big?

Quote @César Chávez answerThe Watchtower does with its illustration of fine works as described and instructed by Christ himself."

Well actually the Watchtower / GB / CCJW do not 'listen to' or follow Christ's instructions in most things. And I think it is clear that Christ is not instructing the Watchtower / GB / CCJW. 

Example 1, The GB call themselves the Faithful and discreet Slave, but prove by their words that they are not so.

Example 2. The GB had it written in the Watchtower that the Anointed should not gather together for study or prayer to God. The GB stated that it would be 'working against the Holy Spirit' if the Anointed did gather together. Whereas Jesus Christ told the Anointed that where ever two or three of them were gathered together HE would be amongst them. 

I could add more but I've been warned not to. 

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22 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

Well actually the Watchtower / GB / CCJW do not 'listen to' or follow Christ's instructions in most things. And I think it is clear that Christ is not instructing the Watchtower / GB / CCJW. 

An error in understanding the Watchtower context by former members usually bring this assertion. I can only be seen as a matter of opinion. 

However, how does the Watchtower fail to implement Jesus commands and instructions by which the Watchtower is physically showing the world, the first century teachings of Christ? Without obscuring scripture to a misapplication thereof, what scripture can you sight?

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22 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well again, have to ask: why WTJWorg need to have massive organizational structure (half religious and half secular) with hierarchy and all various departments, when Jesus ask from his followers only to "Carry each other’s burdens"??!! :))

This misconception comes from former members that have made it a visual effect. Something the Watchtower doesn't have. The GB don't burden themselves to the structure of man, but instill the value of our heavenly father. They serve only God as it should be. The fact that outsiders want to force the GB to take a more personal approach to secular laws would remove time better vested in spiritual needs of those willing to follow their examples of being righteous before God. After all, that is the point of being a Christian. Therefore, a righteous structure as you indicate as different departments can be seen through the structure of the first century Christianity, were the apostles themselves had to meet with a panel of Sanhedrin or elders of the church. 

I see no difference in application other than word usage. Now in today's world, What powers did the Jews have compared to the Jewish laws that were in effect in Jesus time that modern churches don't have today.

If you look at power as an argument, then you will see the Vatican has more secular power than the Watchtower.

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On 8/3/2020 at 6:18 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

Dear @The Librarian you make little confusion by removing some posts under new topic. :) Title: When i strongly criticize WTJWorg + GB + Helpers, why is this same to you as criticizing God? is part of my comment in responding to @César Chávez and it is not topic made by @Arauna

What do you suggest? Topic can be interesting for discussion and perhaps people would like to participate.

Spin a book out of it. That is what I did when I found myself heading the thread: ‘TrueTom vs the Apostates.’

Initially, I protested. I didn’t want the job. I don’t go out of my way to pick fights with these guys, and didn’t want it presented as though I did.

My protests fell upon deaf ears. So I warmed to the task and went after them with such ferocity that the same powers-that-be that assigned me the thread yanked me off it—not just me, but the entire thread. 

A year or two later the experience became the intro for 

    Hello guest!
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23 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Well again, have to ask: why WTJWorg need to have massive organizational structure (half religious and half secular) with hierarchy and all various departments,

The short answer: Because the HQ are in America.

The longer answer: In order to be legally established you have to comply with rules and regulations of the country. In America, it seems these are extra complex. 

Then also, because you are in America, you have to protect yourself legally, which means against potential lawsuits. America is the land of litigation. People here sue (and win) for the most ridiculous things. I know, I live here.

Everything in the first century was so much simpler because there were not as many problems as we see in modern American society. But even in the first century, the preaching work had to be legally established - Philippians 1:7.

As for the complexity internally, well don't forget modern society is a lot more complex. You cannot organize things the same way as in the first Century. What worked well then, would be inefficient today.

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