Organ Harvesting, Falun Gong, Tibet, etc. (The WEST vs. CHINA)

[Arauna]

13 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Do you know my wife?

LOL-  When my husband and I are in conversation and people give directions or instructions or mention some obscure fact...... I remember.  When he asks the question again from the person we are talking to... I usually give the answer to him.... LOL.  The listening aspect..... 

My husband is a very smart, gentle and humble human being. He reads a lot - but eclectic stuff.  He is a very good husband because I doubt any other man would have been able to stand me. It must be because his mother was British.

I am typical afrikaner /boer - not in my thinking but my manners.  My mothers side was Swiss, German and Yugoslavian. Very straight, direct but friendly and I hope - kind. ... and my accent is strange.  

.....So your wife says the same?  But she will only be able to say so if you are a very good husband.  Otherwise she will be afraid to say it...... LOL.  I guess, but I think you know how to get out of every situation with your golden mouth and humor.

[JW Insider]

3 hours ago, Arauna said:

One saw a similar mindset under Nazi National Socialism.... with emphasis on 'socialism'. 

Communist and socialist regimes can become every bit as corrupt as other forms of government. They often cannot even be attempted without decades of civil war, which attracts alignments from the outside of those nations, often with a goal of either exacerbating, extending, or sabotaging.  (The process of implementing of Chinese communism produced civil wars lasting about 30 years.)

But I think you give away your instinct to simply cherry-pick anything that sounds negative about socialism, when you say what you just said about "a similar mindset under Nazi Socialism. . . with emphasis on 'socialism."

In fact, the NAZI "National Socialism" had absolutely nothing to do with socialism. Socialist policies were condemned under national socialism. The party name was intended to attract wider, common support, because socialism had been associated with giving a "fair shake" to everyone. But all socialist rhetoric was dismissed when the Nazi party got into power.

The Nazis stood squarely against socialism and for Western fascist imperialism.

[JW Insider]

4 hours ago, Arauna said:

It just so happens that I discovered it is UN Agenda 21 and agenda 2030 which wants borders removed and all people (regardless of religion) mixed into one.  The UN immigration Compact 2018 is clear that one may not speak against Islam. 

I don't think you "discovered" anything about UN Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030, nor even UN Immigration Compact 2018. You merely listened to propagandists and conspiracy promoters who told you what sounded believable to you. The reason I say that is that you have often been asked, yet you have NEVER yet been able to point out where these ideas are in any of the official UN documents.

[JW Insider]

7 hours ago, Arauna said:

11 hours ago, JW Insider said:

hese conversations tend to go in a lot of different directions

Yes - I expected that.  I think you like to look at ONE thing at a time a be absolute sure of its black and whiteness - then go to the next part.

Again, I think it's the opposite. When a Western-raised person wants to talk about China, they should be willing to discuss the good, the bad and the ugly. Based on what you just said, it all seems very one-sided to you. You seem to be unwilling to address anything positive except to say that anyone who believes anything positive has been fooled. I think it's all black and white to you, because you take anything in between and find a way to move it completely over to the negative side. 

In fact, I realized from the start that no one would just discuss the Uyghur situation alone, because, as soon as a point is made that might be difficult to align with Western propaganda, they will merely move on to another subject. As I said before, as soon as someone shows that a claim about Uyghurs might be debunked, the conversation will be instantly turned to, 'Well, I believe anything negative that Uyghurs are saying, because . . . . Hong Kong riots, Mao, Tiananmen Square, Tibet, Three Gorges Dam, sparrows were killed, Falun Gong organ harvesting." There's a whole slew of attacks at the ready, and when one doesn't stick well, just throw more items at it. And if that isn't enough, bring up the USSR's Stalin, the failures of the French Revolution, or even Hitler!

[JW Insider]

5 hours ago, Arauna said:

If I suggested to  you the riots in america are pure subversion, tao-istic style, you will most probably tell me I am nuts .  I have told you many times on these pages that all the visible TRENDS smell like a commie rat.

I already suggested that the riots in America are pure subversion. But when people begin to smell a rat, as I did, I tried to identify where the subversion was coming from. Follow the money. Look at how similar riots have been incited elsewhere and who was behind them and for what purpose, and which powers-that-be took which sides. Look at the probable versions of an end game. I see a lot of persons on Twitter, FB and YouTube merely giving up on their own logic, and deciding they should contradict their own evidence, and claim that it must therefore be a "Maoist" revolution. 

[JW Insider]

5 hours ago, Arauna said:

when it is a known fact that their phones are currently all monitored by the government and their social credit score will go down immediately if they just talk about freedom in a western way.

I think most people in the West don't realize that this kind of projection about surveillance and "social credit scores" is exaggerated because the West would love to push their own surveillance and social credit score agenda, and need to prepare and distract Western citizens by pretending it is already worse in China.

Also, there is a prejudiced Western mindset that can't understand that most Chinese people don't prize "freedom in a Western way" in the way most of us might expect. For most Chinese, Western freedoms don't mean as much as we think they do. They are not clamoring for their Internet to include more porn, and more corporate controls, and more Western resources. Having been a poor country, long run by imperialist rulers, it is sufficient freedom to live under a government that brings a much higher percentage of people out of poverty, and gives civil rights to more workers, and provides education and health care even to those millions still under the poverty line. Perhaps they should, but most don't blame their government for past mismanagement and mistakes. Probably because most see that their government has more interest in them as individuals.

I know that idea probably makes your blood boil, but I am saying it because, in spite of your claims to the contrary, there are thousands of Chinese and foreign journalists taking polls of Chinese persons both inside and outside of China all the time. And these journalist are often completely against the CCP and are completely flummoxed that the Chinese people overwhelmingly support the CCP, and choose it. This goes for a large share of people who have left China, and is admitted even by ex-pats who left because they personally didn't want to live under the CCP. There are also thousands of videos made by Chinese persons in China that speak out against things they don't like, in Chinese, and they even show themselves involved in protests against government policies. So obviously there is nothing "perfect" about CCP.

But the West seems never able to understand a majority of a population choosing a communist or socialist government, because that would make communism and socialism a democratic choice. (Of course, in many Western countries, the goal of the "democracy" is to make sure that the wishes of the majority are subverted by commercialism, propaganda, voter suppression, voter depression, etc.)

Also, these "social credit score" scares are mostly hoaxes. Although, I'm sure there is some truth there, too. There might be a fear that China will implement a "credit score" system like the United States and other Western countries. There seems to be some fears that China will copy the United States, and this will result in mass abuse, as when US credit and credit scoring companies find ways to sell data without permission, use credit to "spy" for law enforcement and corporations.  And perhaps even find ways to cover up mass "data breaches" of the customer data of almost all credit holders in the United States. 

[TrueTomHarley]

5 hours ago, Arauna said:

But she will only be able to say so if you are a very good husband.

I do, for the most part, have her hoodwinked in that regard.

 

5 hours ago, Arauna said:

 I think you know how to get out of every situation with your golden mouth and humor.

Yes, but not always instantly.

Stephen King wrote an autobiographical book ‘On Writing.’ In it he says that if you are a writer you must simply adjust to the fact that you will be thought rude—this because your mind is so frequently elsewhere. Nobody really thinks me rude. I am not. But should someone fall into the trap of measuring rudeness by listening prowess....well, I can temporarily get into hot water over that. But I climb out of it and do the best I can to adjust.

[Arauna]

1 hour ago, JW Insider said:

West would love to push their own surveillance and social credit score

China is the experiment for it - and yes - it is coming to the west...... similar to China.  In the cities it is already rolled out but still needs to be rolled out in rural areas. 

They started to manage the Corona virus with it.  I saw a few videos where people were in public areas when their Corona credit score became a yellow or red.... meaning they had to go into quarantine and they wailed aloud so everyone can hear.... 

[Arauna]

Thank you Cezar for laying it out. 

This is China unscripted program - they are interviewing a reporter from BUZZFEED.  Very interesting are the 'reasons' people were sent to these camps.  She conducted interviews with 27 people who had been in these prisons.  They also have three kinds of these prisoners and they are not processed through the regular courts.... there is a lot to learn from this young reporter. 

 

Today - I see a similar situation as before the second world war.  Hitler was industrializing his country and their exports were boycotted throughout the world (the reasons behind this and who was behind this I will not go into).  Today, whether it is justified or not, they are now boycotting China in a world-wide situation similar to Hitler.  They saw events in Hitler's country  and things in CCP-china that they do not like.... and targeted the industrial exports.  

China may suddenly attack somewhere.... like Hitler.   In the chaos, Russia may also annex some places it has had its eye on - to complete the strategic idea of Alexander Dugan, that of an Eurasia.

This is just guesswork..... but Daniel 11 indicates a 'flooding'.  It may just be economic as has been happening all over the world with the aggressive economic policies of China and Russia... or it may be more than that.  In the end the plans of the UN will come to fruition and people will look to it to provide policies...... as it has been doing during Corona.

Centralizes policies and monetary control as well as "sustainable development".

  

 

[Arauna]

On 9/14/2020 at 5:34 PM, JW Insider said:

therefore be a "Maoist" revolution. 

It is a maoist -type revolution funded by those with the money to pay for hotels and transport.  Those who want chaos.

[TrueTomHarley]

Let’s throw this one into the mix—sort of related if we are speaking of worldwide political machinations. Someone forwarded it to me, and I need someone to give an opinion so that I can pass it along as my own.

http://thesaker.is/trump-vs-the-military-industrial-complex-military-coup-danger-escalates/?fbclid=IwAR0HwAzYpzeEnG5822ccVh5v6pCqkA9BPn9cCyAk-A_TYRkfJbhxfXcPICE

As for FDR (mentioned within), my assessment of him has gone up over time, and it was never that low. He was villainized among my Mom’s clan for bringing in socialist policies. But he was more practical than anything else, with no overriding ideologies, willing to try anything, like Teddy Roosevelt himself, both of whom acted contrary to the interests of their class. It took me the longest time to realize that Dad didn’t care a hoot about politics—it is just that Grampa would get cranked up and he was too gracious to tell his father-in-law to zip it.

[Anna]

28 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

http://thesaker.is/trump-vs-the-military-industrial-complex-military-coup-danger-escalates/?fbclid=IwAR0HwAzYpzeEnG5822ccVh5v6pCqkA9BPn9cCyAk-A_TYRkfJbhxfXcPICE

Interesting read for sure (you could have written it). I am always a little skeptical of "deep state" stuff, but I do believe that money is ultimately behind every decision most people or organizations make. Not sure about the coronavirus being developed to bring on economic collapse though. But anything is possible...