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5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

oo lengthy for me,

This is one of the conclusions he reaches after reading Schwab's two books:.  "They believe that the role they are ostensibly to serve is as the “enlightened stewards” of society, taking the liberty of reimagining everybody else’s lives."

He also warns. ... But read the conclusion for yourself. 

These super rich people ,some with no degrees, but this does not deter them to decide what is good for the rest of mankind -based purely on the power they have because they have lots and lots of money. ... and the technocrats who think they have all the knowledge to decide the future of humankind.  But WEF is following the UN agenda 2030 which focusses mainly on saving the environment. The environment is officially more important than human lives.

A science tyranny is waiting us.

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The Apostle Paul was both a physical Jew and a Spiritual Jew. Philippians 3 :  from verse 4.  The Apostle Paul says about being a physical Jew :  If any other man thinks he has grounds for c

Whoa! It’s like hearing that the king of the north is now Bolivia!

I'm guess cleaning toilets was below him?  

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8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

--but not that we subject ourselves to them as if their authority was above Jehovah's.

Have I ever suggested this ?  I don't think i have.  Nothing or no one is above the authority of Almighty God. (Although we have the words of Jesus 'All authority has been given me....' but surely even Jesus in under his Father's authority)

However i do believe that the Leaders of the Watchtower / CCJW had placed themselves as such by misusing the Romans scripture during WW2 and up to the early 60's (I think). 

Now regarding your comment, and concerning Matthew 5 :41, Do you think your GB should decide this, or each JW should use their own conscience ?

And I think it would be good for people to remember that that ARE subject to 

8 hours ago, JW Insider said:

the secular authorities, including their laws, and punishments

By serving God through Christ sometimes people will be breaking the law of their land. Therefore those people will suffer the punishment for it. It is righteous to suffer for God and Christ, and there will be a promised reward. But make sure your suffering IS for God and Christ, not for men.

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1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Hitler wanted anyone who did not agree with him or fight with him  -dead. 

Thanks to God JHVH, because he allowed "secular governments" and "secular people", who opposed the Nazi invasion with full force and enabled today’s freedom, even for those who refused to contribute to the Allied struggle, to win in that battles. 

Since the JW's believe that "gentile time" is over in 1914, do you think the YHVH intervened in historical events of 1941 and helped the "Allies" to overcome the "Axis Powers"? Because, under Hitler, WTJWorg could not serve God and preach and have congresses and other stuffs, so to speak. So, YHVH had an interest in one side winning and the other side losing, right? Can you prove that YHVH did not interfere in earthly conflicts od WWII, precisely because of your doctrine of “gentile time” which teaches how God’s passivity lasted 2520 years and ended in 1914, and because he, supposedly, create Earthly Part of his Government in Spiritual Paradise of WTJWorg. 

 Nazi German was a real threat to JW's to completely exterminate them from Europe. So, God would lose his "witnesses." How could that not happen, maybe he sent Michael again to oppose some another "Prince of Persia"? :))

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4 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

Separate church and state

I guess how people will be in conflict about "give God and give Cesar", because this are Two Masters you have to please :)) and Bible is very clear with command to JW members; obey, be in subjection to secular government :))

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14 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

give God and give Cesar", because this are Two Masters you have to please :)) and Bible is very clear with command to JW members; obey, be in subjection to secular government :))

You yourself said give to god what god requires..... but it seems that Caesar is more important to you because if Caesar requests you to disobey the law of god then you seem as though this carries more weight with you. 

Any case, it is discrimination if you target one group of people because of their religion. The government also has responsibility to uphold their own laws.  When Paul asked to go to Caesar - the governor did not decide  what he thinks is more important. No, he acted with fairness and saved Paul from the Pharisees by sending him to Caesar.

It is therefore not wrong to question if authorities are fulfilling the law accurately or being too lax on some people or too strict on others.

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18 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:
19 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Separate church and state

I guess how people will be in conflict about "give God and give Cesar", because this are Two Masters you have to please :)) and Bible is very clear with command to JW members; obey, be in subjection to secular government :))

What do you think about "separation" in Old Israel Theocratic State, in time of Saul, David, Solomon and others? Who obey and how - God JHVH vs Kings?

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On 1/27/2021 at 11:25 AM, Arauna said:

Your answers give that impression. So for once in recent history  I agree with JWI

It has been common action for many years that the Watchtower / GB / JW Leaders deliberately misquote people and other organisations. @Srecko Sostar a long time ago gave a lovely example of this where the Watchtower has deliberately misquoted some one by chopping the centre out of a comment.  Now it seems, JWs here are doing similar with people's comments. 

My simple request is that if you do not fully understand what i have written, then simply ask me to explain.  But no, three JWs here deliberately twist my words.

@JW Insider  @Arauna @César Chávez et al. 

So, show me where I have written that the Superior Authorities of this earth are more important than Almighty God or Jesus Christ.  BUT get you quotes right. 

For I know I have never and will never even suggest that anyone or anything is superior to Almighty God. 

But you hypocrites will keep on twisting everything, even God's word. 

 

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8 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

What do you think about "separation" in Old Israel Theocratic State, in time of Saul, David, Solomon and others? Who obey and how - God JHVH vs Kings?

 

8 hours ago, Arauna said:

You are not making yourself clear - what separation?

I think @Srecko Sostar means who does one give 'service' to.  The Kings were supposed to represent God but at times they were disobedient. So then did a person serve the king, or disobey the king and serve God.  The answer of course  should be to serve God. But what of those men that helped David commit murder ? 

 

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