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"Alternative service" in East Europe for JW's who refused go to military service.

If my memories serving me well, I heard that in Czechoslovakia (info from native bro and sis in Bratislava in the mid of 1980) they tell me how you can choose between going to prison for few years (and perhaps again if you refuse service after prison time) or going working to mine under contract, and have normal working time as all other civil person who are mine worker, going to home after work and so. Perhaps long life contract.

So, this "problem" in South Korea is just "piece of cake" :)))

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The Apostle Paul was both a physical Jew and a Spiritual Jew. Philippians 3 :  from verse 4.  The Apostle Paul says about being a physical Jew :  If any other man thinks he has grounds for confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5  circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born from Hebrews; regarding law, a Pharisee; And he was Anointed by Jesus Christ as a spiritual Jew. 

I'm guess cleaning toilets was below him?  

So, apostle Paul to you is of no consequence. Even after He was approached by Christ Spirit that God had made him worthy of preaching to the gentiles. When did Paul get circumcised under the Jewish rule? Acts 13:44-14:7 Don't ever presume, you know scripture with me lady, you're just an insult to Christianity! Your personal opinion here is meaningless since you can't even grasp the context in which the article was framed. Try to understand what the Book of Hebrews is bestowing.

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29 minutes ago, 4Jah2me said:

how me where I have written that the Superior Authorities o

The scripture shrecko quoted himself  indicates this - that god and authorities are separated - they are not the same.  They are mentioned separately. Pay to god what needs to go to Him and to the secular authorities their due.  

Mark 12:  Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah, 

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 and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ This is the greatest and first commandment.

 “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.”—

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; when they brought the apostle peter and others before the Sanhedrin - the authority of the Jews - recognized by Rome

John 18:36  Jesus answered:

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 “My Kingdom is no part of this world.
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 If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews.
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 But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.”

matthew 26"  Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place,

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 for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.
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Romans 12 

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 Return evil for evil to no one.
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 Take into consideration what is fine from the viewpoint of all men. 
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 If possible, as far as it depends on you, be peaceable with all men.
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Only when the secular authorities forces one to violate the instructions of god - then you do not rebel but obey what god requires.. 

Nebuchadnezzar forced all his subjects to bow down to the image he set up in the valley but three young Judean men refused to bow down to his mage - they disobeyed state orders! They were prepared to die and be put in a fire!

So we obey and are peaceable as far as possible. 1 peter 3:15  But sanctify the Christ as Lord in your hearts, always ready to make a defense before everyone who demands of you a reason for the hope you have, but doing so with a mild temper

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 and deep respect.
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Jehovah has always separated his worship and the state  -( except when he is the ruler. As in the time of Israel , the throne belonged to Jehovah.)

At Armageddon all those who obey the beast and have its mark will be destroyed.  This is the mark of the political system. Jehovah's worship will be separate and clean (no other false god will his people bring before Jehovah - no worship will be given to the state and the revenge they can bring upon us will not deter us from obeying our father an put his wishes before that of men.

 

 

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On 1/27/2021 at 5:32 AM, Kick_Faceinator said:

Hey, thank for the link. The witnesses believe they are above the superior authorities somehow

No, they don't think they are superior, but they do listen to the only superior being that's worth listening to. That means we don't accept the stupdity of others such as yourself. I don't know which persona you are trying to immolate with this fake account, but a sore loser is just that, a loser.

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@Arauna  you totally avoided the point. 

I said, show me wherehave said that the Superior Authorities are above Almighty God. 

And of course you cannot show me, because I have never said it. 

My love for Almighty God and for Jesus Christ is steadfast.  None of you people here will change that. 

Whereas your love for your GB and the Watchtower / CCJW is a love of men, which God's word advises against. 

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1 hour ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

Ah, yes, you must be one of the governing bodies “fluffers”.

Not even close, JTR wannabe. Ex-witnesses and idiots harm themselves not others. I'll take that back, their stupidity does cause insane people to react.

But you and that Watchtower hater "John Butler" do have something in common. Your worthless rhetoric, here!!

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On 1/28/2021 at 8:50 AM, Arauna said:

 “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.”—

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; when they brought the apostle peter and others before the Sanhedrin - the authority of the Jews - recognized by Rome

You do know the account concerning this one scripture alone?  The apostles were preaching about Jesus Christ in the temple courts.  The Jewish high priest and the Sadducees, were filled with “jealousy”, because converts were being made.  They had them put in the public prison. This account has nothing to do with the “secular authorities”.  It has everything to do with God’s people of the day, and it still does, with God’s spiritual “Israel” today. 

Who acts like a “high priest” in the organization, replacing Jesus Christ as Head and high priest?  Your governing body.  They are jealous tyrants who refuse any confrontation, any questioning of their teachings and pseudo authority. 

In the congregation of JWs, where the temple in the anointed is found, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  anointed ones who…

#1 Preach Jesus Christ as their only Head instead of a wicked slave and a “Gentile” elder body who lord it over them (Luke 22:24-27; Rev 9:3-5; Rev 13:1,2,5-7)…

#2 Reject an organization (since the authentic organization is the anointed Body of Christ) (1 Cor 12:14; Eph 2:20:22;1 Cor 14:40)…

#3Reject changes in God’s “set times and laws” – 1914 and all other dates as well as doctrine that changes as shifting shadows…(Dan 7:25; 2 Thess 2:1-4; James 1:17)…

#Obey God as ruler, rather than men…

..are brought before a judicial committee and disfellowshipped – all for following the teachings of Christ and using the example of the apostles, which is to obey God as ruler, rather than men. 

You would think that your governing body would listen to anyone, especially the anointed who preach about Jesus, but this isn’t the case.  God’s anointed people are to be submissive to another headship and other decrees – the GB’s decrees. (Matt 24:24)

 “If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves.” Gal 6:3

 “Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.”  Rom 10:3,4

If ANY JW truly loves God and Christ, that person would discern, that Wt’s leadership has transgressed the fulfillment of the law in Christ – adding to, and expecting obedience to, THEIR word – the word of men not inspired by Holy Spirit.

The Wt’s leadership is destructive ,and the primary obstacle to eternal life that JWs are facing.  It isn’t the governmental authorities in the world that should concern any of you.  (Rev 18:4-8)

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Witness said:

If ANY JW truly loves God and Christ, that person would discern, that Wt’s leadership has transgressed the fulfillment of the law in Christ – adding to, and expecting obedience to, THEIR word – the word of men not inspired by Holy Spirit.

.... and expecting obedience to, THEIR word – the word of men not inspired by Holy Spirit.

This is so well said.
What parallel do I see with the words of the apostles, to obey God rather than men? To whom did the apostles not want to submit? They did not want to obey Sanhedrin and the elders of the Jewish people. To the spiritual leaders of their own people and religion.

Did the members of Sanhedrin claim to be inspired by God? Did Sanhedrin claim not to be inspired by God? GB claims that they are not inspired, but that they must be obeyed.
Religious people, JW also, accept the claim that the Bible is inspired by God. And this fact (that the Word is inspired by God) provides in itself proof that people should accept God's guidelines and be obedient to that very Word.

On the other hand, we have the fact that GB is not inspired (according to their own claims). And that fact ("we are not inspired") provides the basis for what the apostles claimed, Not to obey (GB) people who are not inspired by God, because their “commandments” (doctrines) are not God’s, but human’s.
Was everything the Sanhedrin taught wrong and contrary to God’s Law and Word? I don't think we could say anything like that. But still, the Sanhedrin and many religious leaders, the elders, violated God’s law and God’s word in many things. Both in word and in spirit. That is why it was justified for the apostles to oppose it.

Today JWs have a Biblical precedent from the book of Acts, to oppose their religious leaders (GB and elders) for the same reasons and in the same way as it was in the 1st century.

Can Acts 5 be identified with Romans 13?
In Acts it is allowed to oppose spiritual authorities. The Epistle to the Romans calls for obedience to secular authorities with no alternative.
But whatever we personally decide, every choice carries good and bad consequences. Each of our choices will make us stronger or weaker, that we are winners or losers, happy or unhappy. “As long as we’re alive nothing is lost,” one man said.

 

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13 hours ago, Witness said:

The apostles were preaching about Jesus Christ in the temple courts.  The Jewish high priest and the Sadducees, were filled with “jealousy”, because converts were being made.  They had them put in the publ

you do know that they were "rulers " do you not? The Sanhedrin had tremendous power.  They had so much power that Felix and Festus were trying to appease them and were planning to give Paul to the sanhedrin....... when Paul understood what they were up to, he asked for justice from Caesar.

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13 hours ago, Witness said:

Who acts like a “high priest” in the organization, replacing Jesus Christ as Head and high priest?  Your governing body.  They are jealous tyrants who refuse any confrontation, any questioning of their teachings and pseudo authority. 

According to whom? You! Your opinion that the GB act as the high priest is just more meaningless rhetoric. If that was the case, you are acting like the high priest. As  matter of fact, you are acting as the Pontiffs act by thinking they are the replacement of Christ. Relearn scripture the right way. You will serve your kind of cult better if you did.

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1 hour ago, Arauna said:

you do know that they were "rulers " do you not? The Sanhedrin had tremendous power.  They had so much power that Felix and Festus were trying to appease them and were planning to give Paul to the sanhedrin....... when Paul understood what they were up to, he asked for justice from Caesar.

The Sanhedrin was the JEWISH RELIGIOUS court system of Israel - of God's nation.  It had power over the temple activities - over the priesthood.    Who today, have power over the anointed Temple "living stones"?  

The Sanhedrin put Jesus on trial.  Who puts the anointed today on trial?  Your elder body, under the direction of the GB.

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