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THE story is told of a boy who watched the sheep of the villagers. To stir up a bit of excitement, one day he cried out, “Wolf! Wolf!” when there was no wolf. The villagers rushed out with clubs to drive off the wolf, only to find that there was none. It was such great fun that later on the boy repeated his cry. Again the villagers rushed out with their clubs, only to discover that it was another false alarm. After that a wolf did come, and the boy sounded the warning, “Wolf! Wolf!” but the villagers dismissed his cry as another false alarm. They had been fooled too often.

So it has become with those who proclaim the end of the world. Down through the centuries since Jesus’ day, so many unfulfilled predictions have been made that many no longer take them seriously.

Does the failure of such predictions to come true convict as false prophets those who made them, within the meaning of 

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? That text reads: “The prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: ‘How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?’ when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak.” 

There are some who make spectacular predictions of the world’s end to grab attention and a following, but others are sincerely convinced that their proclamations are true. They are voicing expectations based on their own interpretation of some scripture text or physical event. They do not claim that their predictions are direct revelations from Jehovah and that in this sense they are prophesying in Jehovah’s name. Hence, in such cases, when their words do not come true, they should not be viewed as false prophets such as those warned against at 

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. In their human fallibility, they misinterpreted matters.

 

We can see the Wt is trying to remove itself from being labeled “false prophets”. Does this mean that God also has turned a blind eye to their many failed predictions as they have done?

The leaders of “Israel” and all anointed (New Jerusalem/holy city) are to bear the name of God, symbolically. (Jer 25:29; Dan 9:18)  Anything that comes out of their mouths is to be in truth with Jesus Christ’s teachings. But are they?  Jesus tells us that we can detect the false teachers/prophets from the genuine teachers he has sent, by what comes out of their mouth, what “fruit”/teachings they have produced.  (Matt 7:15-19)  In Matt 7:15, Jesus calls them “false prophets" - "ravaging wolves". 

The second key to labeling the leaders of the organization as false prophets is their “voicing expectations based on their own human interpretations.”  God calls these ones, false prophets, because they are “prophesying” and filling their hearers with false hopes…as well as grabbing the attention and a following of those witnessed to, as in the house-to-house work. 

“This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord.”  Jer 23:16

“Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.  2 Pet 1:20,21

Can an organization claim to be guided by Holy Spirit when every prophesy made, was at the will of a human and not the will of God?  

 “Offer yourself as a role model of good actions. Show integrity, seriousness, and a sound message that is above criticism when you teach, so that any opponent will be ashamed because they won’t find anything bad to say about us.”  Titus 2:7-9

 

It is a lie that the WT has never called itself "prophets".  Wt. 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'

False Prophets:  Malachi 3:18 - 

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g93 3/22 p. 3 THE story is told of a boy who watched the sheep of the villagers. To stir up a bit of excitement, one day he cried out, “Wolf! Wolf!” when there was no wolf. The villagers rushed out with clubs to drive off the wolf, only to find that there was none. It was such great fun that later on the boy repeated his cry. Again the villagers rushed out with their clubs, only to discover that it was another false alarm. After that a wolf did come, and the boy sounded the warning, “Wolf!

@Witness has clearly shown, as have many others, that the GB / Watchtower / JW Org  have for many years cried 'Wolf' How is crying Wolf helping anyone to know the true GOD ?   Crying wolf in the case of the GB & Co has meant that those humans have decided that ‘My master is delaying '    (Matthew 24 : 48) The GB now "starts to beat his fellow slaves "  (Matthew 24 :49 I do think that an organisation is necessary, but it has to be an honest, clean organisation, led by True Anoi

Isa 10:20 - "On that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no longer depend on the one who struck them, but they will faithfully depend on the Lord, the Holy One of Israel."

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11 hours ago, Witness said:

Jesus tells us that we can detect the false teachers/prophets from the genuine teachers he has sent, by what comes out of their mouth, what “fruit”/teachings they have produced.  (Matt 7:15-19)  In Matt 7:15, Jesus calls them “false prophets" - "ravaging wolves". 

Yes, that's why you're one of the false prophets, the Bible speaks of, since your understanding lacks scriptural integrity.

Once again, what you seek and what your condition is, you can find in the book of Proverbs and in the testament of Ephesians. Your problem still lies with the literal Jew and the Spiritual Jew. When you understand that, it will become clearer where you have failed for over 4 years. This will also make you understand, your falsehood is "preventing" others from knowing the true God.

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3 hours ago, César Chávez said:

This will also make you understand, your falsehood is "preventing" others from knowing the true God.

@Witness has clearly shown, as have many others, that the GB / Watchtower / JW Org  have for many years cried 'Wolf'

How is crying Wolf helping anyone to know the true GOD ?   Crying wolf in the case of the GB & Co has meant that those humans have decided that ‘My master is delaying '    (Matthew 24 : 48)

The GB now "starts to beat his fellow slaves "  (Matthew 24 :49

I do think that an organisation is necessary, but it has to be an honest, clean organisation, led by True Anointed ones. And more importantly it has to be led by God through Christ and with Holy Spirit. 

A true organisation would be recognised by it's WORKS. True worship of God through Christ and true honest teachings. And free of immorality. It would be an 'open' organisation that wasn't afraid to give details of how it was run. And all immorality would be made known to the congregations, and immoral ones would be removed unless truly repentant. By being truly open and all things made known, then others could take the necessary precautions to avoid immoral ones. That would allow congregants to know the big difference of sin or minor weakness. All this would be possible through holy spirit if the organisation was truly God's organisation through Christ. 

There would be no more crying 'Wolf' because the True anointed would wait for true instructions from Christ through Holy Spirit. Remember the words of Jesus to the Anointed 

John 14 : 13 & 14

 "Also, whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, so that the Father may be glorified in connection with the Son. 14  If you ask anything in my name, I will do it."

You see, JESUS will provide TRUTH to the TRUE ANOINTED ones. So when there is a true organisation, then there will be true teachings and true servants of Almighty God'

The Earthly class must 'go with' the spiritual Jew, that is the True Anointed. 

 

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2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

The GB now "starts to beat his fellow slaves "  (Matthew 24 :49

 

 

2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

There would be no more crying 'Wolf' because the True anointed would wait for true instructions from Christ through Holy Spirit.

Isa 10:20 - "On that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no longer depend on the one who struck them, but they will faithfully depend on the Lord, the Holy One of Israel."

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4 hours ago, Witness said:

 

Isa 10:20 - "On that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no longer depend on the one who struck them, but they will faithfully depend on the Lord, the Holy One of Israel."

Are the remnant of Israel the chosen covenant and the survivors of the house of Jacob the unchosen? Or do both groups refer to the chosen covenant?

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5 hours ago, Kick_Faceinator said:

Are the remnant of Israel the chosen covenant and the survivors of the house of Jacob the unchosen? Or do both groups refer to the chosen covenant?

Oh man, it's hard to give a one sentence, even two sentence answer to this!

Well, scripture tells us that Jacob is another name for Israel. (Gen 32:27,28)

There a few representations that can be made.

 I look at the kingdom to come, as a family. The first children born into the Kingdom, and the first who are bought by the blood of Christ, are the anointed who have, through affliction and refinement, proven faithful and obedient to his teachings. (Mark 14:24; John 15:20,21; 16:33; Rom 4:13; Rev 3:21; 5:9,10)    As the older siblings of the family, their role is to watch out for their younger siblings not anointed.  In imitation of their Head, Jesus, and as members of his Body, they also “sacrifice” their life for their younger siblings, who are the final “promised seed”. (Gen 17:1,2)  This plays out by the priesthood of “kings” teaching and guiding God’s future children on earth and under the guidance of Jesus. (Mal 2:7) (Gen 28:10-15; John 1:51)   They are called “trees” that provide “healing to the nations”.  (Ps 1:3; Zech 4:11,14; Matt 7:17,20: Rev 11:4;22:2)    This healing is wisdom from God and Jesus Christ. (Prov 4:5-9)

Jesus was the first promised seed of the covenant made with Abraham. (Gal 3:16)  We are aware that Jesus established another promise, the New Covenant which is represented as a “woman”…and at its fulfillment  when it also produces a “seed”, (John 12:24) this mother becomes the source of life for future promised seeds. (Gal 4:24,28) Jesus is the greater Adam and described as an “eternal Father” in Isa 9:6.  His “Bride” is the new Eve, bringing life to the rest of the children of God.  (Isa 60:1-5)

So, those under this promise before fulfilled, are the anointed. (Gal 4:26) Yet, all children of the Kingdom benefit from the New Covenant.  When an anointed is sealed while on earth, those not anointed who have turned to Jesus Christ for understanding, are directed by Holy Spirit to the “Marriage Feast”. (Matt 22:1-14)  God determines the condition of their heart and gives these ones to Jesus to look out for, to feed spiritually, through members of his promised sealed Bride, until the Kingdom arrives. (John 6:44;13:20)

 At this feast, the true story is told of how the Kingdom will arrive. Clarity, clear waters of truth, flow from the Temple/Zion of God. (John 7:38; Rev 22:1,2,17; 19:19) (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22)    The feast is the pouring out of understanding (of Revelation, which “reveals” its meaning) for all future children in the Kingdom, those of the anointed and those not anointed, who choose to accept this wisdom.  I am referring to those in the last days.  We know that there are many who have died who will be resurrected. (Matt 22:32; John 5:25,28,29)

We are all equal, but not all will have the same responsibility as God’s children in the Kingdom, just as in the nation of Israel.  At that time, the priests were chosen purposely to care for the needs of the children of God.  This was a “copy and shadow” of things to come.  (Heb 8:5)

Besides administering justice (2 Chron 19:8-11; Heb 8:10), it seems very fitting that the Bride/priests of Jesus will be providing spiritual “healing” in the form of God's wisdom, to the nations.  (Rev 22:1-5)

“According to the Encyclopedia Judaica, medicine and religion were closely connected for Jews in ancient times. Priests were “the custodians of public health,” and Jews in biblical times regarded the physician as “the instrument through whom God could effect the cure.”  (Lev chapter 13-15)

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2 hours ago, Witness said:

Oh man, it's hard to give a one sentence, even two sentence answer to this!

How does this correlate with the NEW covenant? How can today's Israel be under the old covenant as the remnant? That's what they believe, are you saying, you also believe that, and excuse Christ like they have?

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1 hour ago, César Chávez said:

How does this correlate with the NEW covenant? How can today's Israel be under the old covenant as the remnant? That's what they believe, are you saying, you also believe that, and excuse Christ like they have?

Don't you realize that the words of the prophets are relative to the last days as well? 

but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets.  Rev 10:7

 

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7 hours ago, Witness said:

Don't you realize that the words of the prophets are relative to the last days as well? 

Hmm! You didn't answer the question. We know the decedents of Jacob in Judah keep the former alive. Jesus sacrifice needed to be accepted by God. Does this mean you know when that was done?

What did Micah 5 declare? Also, what is the symbolism of the remnant of spiritual Jacob?

Are you suggesting in between the time before God accepted Jesus sacrifice, he was an illegitimate son of David? Why would Christ then lie to the other sheep?

You consider yourself to be "anointed". By what means, as a literal Jew, since that's the implication you are giving. If so, who else comprises the "anointed" with the literal Jew in modern day Israel?

 

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19 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

Hmm! You didn't answer the question. We know the decedents of Jacob in Judah keep the former alive. Jesus sacrifice needed to be accepted by God. Does this mean you know when that was done?

What did Micah 5 declare? Also, what is the symbolism of the remnant of spiritual Jacob?

Are you suggesting in between the time before God accepted Jesus sacrifice, he was an illegitimate son of David? Why would Christ then lie to the other sheep?

You consider yourself to be "anointed". By what means, as a literal Jew, since that's the implication you are giving. If so, who else comprises the "anointed" with the literal Jew in modern day Israel?

 

More than half of what say doesn't make much sense to me.  But, "learn" who spiritual Israel is.

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19 minutes ago, Witness said:

More than half of what say doesn't make much sense to me.  But, "learn" who spiritual Israel is.

It doesn't make sense, because you can't answer a simple question. You gave a page long answer that was wrong in so many levels, you now can't understand your own argument. Does that make any sense to a normal person? I believe the one that needs to learn is you, enjoy your day!😏

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