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We are now on page 4 of this thread. What is the goal of the question? Did Satan become "imperfect" after the first sin? Or irreparable? Does he belong to the "prodigal son" category or not? Adam and Eve became "imperfect" because of sin. Did Satan become "imperfect"? If YHVH "punished" the people, what prevented him from punishing this wicked transgressor in the same way? And don't answer me from JWs literature. Because that is not a strong enough argument.

Since 2009, the Transgender Day of Visibility has been observed on March 31. This year, coincidentally, it happened to fall on Easter Sunday. Some individuals claimed that President Biden intentionally chose this date to replace a long-established religious holiday with Transgender Visibility Day. However, this assertion is completely unfounded, and it is nothing more than a false accusation pushed by right-wing media outlets seeking to spread misinformation about the President. The government designated March 31st as a day to specifically acknowledge and recognize gay rights. It was not their intention to belittle any other man-made holiday that does not align with true Christianity. Nevertheless, both holidays would be deemed inappropriate for a devout Christian. It should not have mattered to JWs at all. Not in the slightest. It's puzzling that Bruce Jenner, now known as Caitlyn Jenner, as an openly gay individual, was dismayed by Easter Sunday being celebrated as a gay day, despite being gay himself, and strongly opposed it as a Christian. This reveals the conflicting beliefs of some self-proclaimed Christians, showcasing a double standard that contradicts the core values of Christ.

Absolutely! The possibilities for his nature are limitless, entirely shaped by our own imagination. Although it's true that our knowledge of the angelic realm is limited, we do have some insight through the writings of the Psalmist and Job. They reveal glimpses of the heavenly beings' unwavering joy and profound reverence as witnesses to God's creation. So, it's safe to say that their activities transcend simple games like huddling around and playing marbles. 😇

Perhaps Lucifer/Satan started out as a planetary sized Space Frog. The Bible doesn’t say. Perhaps he was for a billion years a 10,000 footed caterpillar? Who knows? ( … SMH and rolls eyes …)

No one suggested that Satan was not perfect in the beginning. Unfortunately, he chose to raise the stakes just to impress the other angels. Did he engage in sincere conversations with other angels? Perhaps, God didn't deem it necessary for humanity to witness the daily occurrences in heaven. If God believed we should possess such inquisitiveness, He would have included it in the Bible. We have the written evidence, so the important question is what his current situation is, rather than speculating about his past. Maybe God had punished him by putting him in a corner for misbehaving, who knows. 🤣

Apparently Lucifer told the truth for several billion years before he was assigned the gig in Eden to instruct Adam and Eve … or presumably he would have never gotten the job. Being “Satan, Father of the Lie” looks really bad on a CV. It makes more sense to infer that he COULD tell the truth, apparently for several billion years, but somewhere around 6,000 years ago he decided not to. That theory fits the facts quite seamlessly. So what REALLY is the case? What is the REAL bird’s eye low-down on that cosmic caper? 42.

How did the angels become aware of Satan's malevolent intentions? It was only in the Garden that they discovered Satan's attempt to exalt himself as a god. It was after this event that other angels began to emulate Satan's defiance of God's sovereignty. There you have it. It wasn't as difficult to consider. Nothing positive can arise from the words or reign of Satan. What kind of challenges may have occurred in Heaven prior to the introduction of mankind? Perhaps even during the reign of the dinosaurs? Don't you think that if it had existed, it would have been mentioned in the Bible, along with all other creations? Was Caine successful in removing his mark? I believe you are reaching too far in this speculation. Once again, consider the language in John 8:44, which leaves no doubt that Satan is incapable of telling the truth. It's wishful thinking. Had Satan been able to influence humanity differently, we would now be on a different course.

Satan as Lucifer was supposed to teach humanity about God, and other stuff, and from the time of his creation by Jesus as Michael sometime after the Big Bang, told the truth. That’s why he was there in the Garden of Eden. This is how simple things become when TRUTH IS YOUR GOAL, and not your AGENDA … and you ask the right questions. The right answers JUMP OUT AT YOU!

You asked a good question. As far as I know from the Bible, no angel ever sounded the alarm. Were angels not present during the conversation between Satan and Eve? If they didn't, then nobody knew what was going on. If one of them listened to it and did not react, then one must ask why? Yes, since Satan initiated the process of deception, it stands to reason that all his words thereafter become suspect. However, this does not prove that he was not telling the truth before that unfortunate event. It also doesn't prove that he can't decide to start telling the truth. Because you yourself say that it's all a matter of choice.

samo, samo malice and hatefulness on parade.

Pudgy, I see that you prefer to focus on semantics rather than addressing the actual question. It is often the case that individuals lacking intelligence resort to deflecting blame. But it would be you if you didn't. That's why you are tainted, and I am not in the eyes of God, and to the public that judged you.

Hmmmmm?

What’s the difference between THAT and you trying to be the Vicar of Warwick?

Keep in mind that God granted angels the same free will as humanity. However, Satan chose to assert himself as God, despite not being so, @Srecko Sostar

THAT avoids a mountain of misleading and obfuscating crap designed to impugn my simple straightforward Pastor Russel quote. No. One word. ONE WORD completely answers the one sentence question !!! (… anyone can easily see how simple this all COULD have been, Georgie)

Do you think that if the angels were aware of Satan's intentions to deceive mankind in the Garden of Eden, they would not have raised an alarm? From the very moment Satan made the choice to deceive Eve, he began a path of constant deception. What sets this apart from the previously asked question? It essentially boils down to the same matter.

What makes it any different to you? It's like asking if Satan, the father of all lies, is capable of telling the truth. You're looking at wording rather than action. Humanity was granted a capacity or ability by Satan, which is now resulting in a consequence. However, how can we ignore this fact in order to justify its rationality?

It can also be like this: "When did Satan start lying?" "Did the angel known by the name Satan ever speak the truth?"

"Does Satan always tell, speak the truth?"

Your reading comprehension skills approach ZERO. I did not ask you a question They were rhetorical. The “NO” answer, provided by me establishes that.

Considering that you continually ponder this question every time your reflection meets your eyes, it is only fair to assume that you should possess the knowledge to counteract your malevolent tendencies. It is worth recalling that I once extended an invitation to you to manifest civility, yet you opted for your customary bestial conduct. This implies that rational discourse is utterly futile when engaging with an egotistical, self-absorbed delinquent. Yet, you want me to respond to your ridiculous question, which is a complete joke. The good thing, the public knows. Go ahead, let it all out. You will forever remain insignificant and pitiful, as that is how you choose to treat others, not just your chosen group of apostate friends here.

Here’s a good question. Why should I get involved in the mad ramblings of a malicious evil person for his purposes, to defend a position or point I have not personally advanced? I see no reason to do so, and I don’t. If i did it would only be as a courtesy to you, because of your reasonableness, or graciousness, or because I liked you, or I thought it would contribute to a discussion i was interested in. Since none of those prerequisites exist … you can have a stroke on your own schedule. Here is another good question. Do you think any sane, reasonable person, after reading these “discussions” would be attracted to the Theocracy you claim to represent? NO.

Who granted us such extraordinary ability, God or Satan? Remember, let's not pay attention to that loser that can't answer a simple question. He simply revealed to the public his true low character. That's as simplest as it gets Srecko, an intelligent 6-year-old, understands consequences. Adam and Eve comprehended it, Jesus comprehended it, and he instilled the apostles with that understanding. Through scripture, we also understand it, genuine Christians who are not ignorant, disfellowshipped, or mentally ill. Even those individuals should grasp it, especially when secular law takes action against evil, Satanic acts. How should the question be formulated in order to receive a clear and coherent response from you?

Thank you so much for the study material.

Naw … that doesn’t work. If he doesn’t get his demented preconceived answer he has a fit.