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  2. Pudgy
    With my sense of humor ( … grew up on MAD magazine …) I might appreciate the Keystone Kops humor. A real life Monty Python sketch gone berserk. .
  3.    Pudgy reacted to a post in a topic: JWs sue Norwegian government
  4. Pudgy
    Good! No one ever cared about your jealousy inspired compulsive busybodying, EVER. Everything you “advised” anyway was uncalled for, or completely irrelevant, or just plain flat WRONG! The ONLY dispute is in your own mind, Georgie. You have shown repeatedly you cannot even read a simple paragraph without totally screwing it up. THIS IS THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE: It is so full of errors, presumptions, and false premises the collossal arrogance of which is embarrassing to even read.
  5. Miracle Pete started following JWs sue Norwegian government
  6. Miracle Pete
    I guess the problem is, if everyone is banned as you suggest, it would just be you and your numerous aliases/ imaginary friends talking to and upvoting each other or in other words you telling yourself how great you are. It’s must be depressing enough as it is. That would be spectacularly tragic.
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  9.    George88 reacted to a post in a topic: Can secular chronology be trusted?
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  11. George88
    @Pudgy Since you keep mentioning me: While I understand that you may not have a thorough understanding of the law, I feel compelled to clarify a crucial point. Please, allow me to explain that "deferred adjudication" constitutes a felony conviction in any state. If this was indeed your sentence and there are no further actions recommended by the Grand Jury for the prosecutor to pursue, it is important for you to grasp the repercussions of your situation. That does not mean that those charges cannot be dismissed once the court is satisfied with the probation period imposed on an individual, provided that person complies with the conditions established by the probation department without any violations. If you are suggesting that the charges were dropped and that you didn't receive deferred adjudication or any other sentence that didn't include a reduction in charges such as a misdemeanor and the judge didn't need to accept a plea deal, then that changes things. That's a tough sell, if they had electronic proof of the charges. I don't see a Judge dismissing those charges unless that person is racist, and doesn't want to convict due to race. However, it's important to note that your arrest and felony charges will still remain on your record with one acception, it will include in charges, dismissed. Now, if you pleaded not guilty and are waiting trial, it is crucial for you to understand that your behavior here won't do you any favors. Anything you say or do in this context can be used against you in a court of law. Allow those with a legal background and expertise in ethical matters to make those decisions. I have no interest in your questionable history or in you personally. Do not drag me into your dispute. I hereby declare this to be an end to my forced participation caused by Pudgy.
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  13. Pudgy
    … and then there is George88, who reads things and beats to fit, and paints to match his craven need for self aggrandizement, with irrelevant threats.
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  16. George88
    Thank you, JWI, for being honest enough to admit this. If you have access to people's IP addresses, whether they are static, dynamic, or through VPN, and you can see the real IP address and use it to disclose or ban people, then that is a clear violation of FCC rules on privacy. Archived.
  17. Pudgy
    BTK59, you have a very selective memory, and what you remember is WRONG. It’s as simple as that. “… I felt sorry for the man who had no shoes, and then I met a man that had no feet. I felt sorry for the man who could not read, and then I met a man who WOULD NOT read.”
  18. BTK59
    James, instead of twisting my words. I simply stated that you were accused and arrested for a despicable crime, regardless of whether those charges were or will be dismissed. Your arrest record, that is a public record, will forever cast a shadow over your life. The consequences of those felony charges are permanent, leaving an indelible mark. Once again, you insist that I share those charges, which I am more than willing to provide, in order to expose you as an inconsistent liar. When it comes to these types of issues, you lack credibility and should be the last person people should seek advice from. Therefore, inform your friend and defender JWI that it's you demanding your personal information to be publicly disclosed here before he proceeds with any further threats by your insistence. Remember, your sorted history cannot be erased, nor the arrest or those felony charges included therein. IT'S YOU DEMANDING IT! If anything, JWI should be reprimanding you for insisting that your sorted history be posted at your whim, and he should warn you that demanding it may result in your ban, instead of him defending the indefensible.
  19. BTK59
    The authority to judge lies with God, not the GB. While God has the ability to see into the hearts and minds of people, the Governing Body lacks this capability. Repentance can be found in the genuine willingness of an individual to demonstrate it through their actions and behavior. Nevertheless, there is no assurance, as the human heart is capable of deceit. This depends on who is making the observation. If this mindset originates from an apostate perspective, it is futile. Apostasy is the conscious denial of something valuable, a value that profoundly reflects on God. Believing that one's former religion holds no value to God renders apostasy meaningless. The crucial point here is true worship, not false religion. This is a sad commentary that actually reflects poorly on you. Nevertheless, true worship is highly esteemed by God and will ultimately lead to rewards. Who are you to judge God as a blasphemer of God's Holy Spirit? That's what you need to ask yourself.
  20. BTK59
    Wow! Can you believe that person? They have the audacity to use such offensive language as "bad forum etiquette" when they engage in slanderous behavior, completely disregarding proper forum etiquette. Not only that, but they have the nerve to insult and degrade the Watchtower in their post, clearly violating their own set of rules. It's as if they're saying that we are the only ones allowed to have bad manners and that no one can dare to challenge us. We are the ones in control here, not the visitor. In that case, perhaps it's time to shut down this forum, since it seems like it's becoming an open platform for disrespectful behavior from apostates and Jehovah's Witnesses, or at least that's what these people here call themselves, lol!
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  24. Srecko Sostar
    Do you and GB believe that a repentant JW who is a murderer, thief, liar, etc. is in a better position than an unrepentant JW who has stopped believing in GB interpretations and openly admits it? How is it possible for someone to be an "apostate" in a religion that is "apostate" in itself? To briefly explain why I used the term "apostate religion" for JWs. Other religions that are "older" than WTJWorg claim that JWs broke away from the "true" Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox and similar Christian religions. On the other hand JWs claim the same for them. In all religions there are dogmas that are incorrect. WTJWorg also proved with their theological changes that they are not a "true" religion, because they should not change their dogmas if they were correct and true. If they changed the previous dogmas that were untrue, it also gives an acceptable conclusion that they will change the current dogmas as well, because practice and experience show that nothing guarantees that the current ones are correct. A paradox simply arises; What authority do the apostates who run WTJWorg have (from God) to call other members of their church by the same name "apostates"? In which arrangement, in which organizational structure does one class of apostates have a legitimate right to condemn another class of apostates? lol
  25. Pudgy
    I’ve changed my mind, JWI, I would have no objections if you let the previous posts remain. In fact, I prefer they remain.
  26. Pudgy
    Georgie, you live in an agenda driven fantasy that is severely distorted. I suspect to a certainty that you and BTK59 are the same person but to SAY so I require proof. That is what I was demanding of BTK59 … proof for his continuous stream of lies. He COULD have provided that proof that I was a convicted felon, and had been sentenced to prison … if it had been true … but it wasn’t, ( a few phone calls would have determined that ). He made it up out of thin air for his own agrandizement. BTK59 lied about me. Really simple. It was an evil, malicious lie because HE KNEW it was a lie, and his motive was evil as well. THAT’s what agenda driven thinking does. By the way, Georgie, your reading comprehension skills are terrible.
  27. George88
    Why was I included in your ignorant list, JWI? Did you see me get involved in the argument that I'm unaware of? You need to stop with your fraudulent claims. It seems that Pudgy was challenging BTK to release the information, not the other way around. It appears that Pudgy continued his insults by suggesting that BTK did not know or possess that information and demanded further verification. So, if you are going to blame someone for posted information, blame Pudgy for his relevance attack. Seriously, you all need to stop being hypocrites by trying to make visitors think you are saints here, when you are far from it. You're not the victims here; those you ban are. Therefore, you need to reconsider your erroneous list and ensure that your condemnation is directed at the actual individuals, rather than those mistakenly included on your list. Therefore, I have no problem with you removing those posts nor do I care since you included me in your scam list.
  28. Pudgy
    I suspect there are a lot of mislabeled “apostates” (actually heretics) that are not evil in any way whatsoever. Honorable men and women in a tough spot. They just expect their religion to be as advertised, and not demand something that is flat, be recognized as being round. Remember what just recently occurred …. It was those nasty evil “apostates” incessantly hammering on the Watchtower for 60 years about beards that created the Liberty and Freedom the Brotherhood now enjoys. It was like tightly compressed spring being released! Defend TRUTH, and wonderful things happen.
  29. George88
    I have considered all of their arguments. Some even apply VAT 4956 to their scenarios, which is acceptable. Anyone can use secular evidence if they genuinely seek understanding. Nonetheless, whether drawing from scripture or secular history, 607 is a plausible timeframe to believe in. People often misuse words like "destruction", "devastation", and "desolation" in an inconsistent manner, similar to words like "besiege", "destroy", and "sack". When these terms are misapplied to man-made events, they lose their true meaning. This is why with past historians, the have labeled it as follows: First Capture of Jerusalem 606 BC Second Capture of Jerusalem 598 BC Third Capture of Jerusalem 587 BC Without taking into account anything else. Regarding the second account, if we solely rely on secular chronology, the ancient scribes made military adaptations to align with the events recorded in the Babylonian Chronicles. However, the question arises: Can we consider this adaptation as accurate? Scribes sought to include military components in their stories rather than focusing solely on biblical aspects. Similarly, astronomers, who were also scholars, made their observations at the king's request to divine omens, rather than to understand the plight of the Jewish people. Regarding the third capture, we can only speculate because there are no definitive tablets like the Babylonian chronicles that state 598. It is possible that before the great tribulation, Satan will have influenced someone to forge more Babylonian chronicles in order to discredit the truth and present false evidence from the British Museum, claiming that the secular view was right all along. This could include documents supposedly translated after being found in 1935, while others were found in the 1800s. The Jewish antiquities authorities have acknowledged the discovery of forged items, while the British Museum has not made similar acknowledgments. It is evident that the British Museum has been compelled to confess to having looted or stolen artifacts which they are unwilling to return. Consequently, I find it difficult to place my trust in the hands of those who engage in such activities. One of the most notable instances of deception concerning Jewish antiquities was the widely known case of the ossuary belonging to James, the brother of Jesus. I was astonished by the judge's inexplicable justification for acquittal, as it was evident that his primary concern was preserving the reputation of the Jewish nation, rather than unearthing the truth behind the fraudulent artifact. The judge before even acknowledged it. "In his decision, the judge was careful to say his acquittal of Golan did not mean the artifacts were necessarily genuine, only that the prosecution had failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Golan had faked them." The burden of proof is essential. This individual not only forged the "Jehoash Tablet," but also cannot be retried for his deceit. Why are they so insistent on its authenticity? To support their narrative about the first temple of Jerusalem. Anything to appease the public, and deceive God. But then again, after the Exodus, when did they truly please God? So, when it comes to secular history, it's like a game of cat and mouse.
  30. Pudgy
    I can honestly say in my 77 years on this Earth I have never run across such a whiney, self-centered arrogant personality as yours BTK59. Perhaps it’s a good idea you don’t tell us more about yourself. It might erode the image of yourself you have so carefully cultivated here.
  31. BTK59
    Well, this depends on how you view repentance. Why would anyone want to associate with such a negative person who is a hardcore apostate with evil intentions and no chance of redemption? Indeed, there is no thesis involved, only the application of common sense. God's people need to understand the scheme of things, but apostates do not.
  32. BTK59
    I'm not bothered by being singled out, as you seem to be accustomed to defending and protecting yourselves, but it's a good idea to keep your dog on a leash. Speaking of which, in a different thread, TTH mentioned that it would be great if everyone here shared their life stories. As both of you are the librarians here, I kindly ask you to minimize any signs of intimidation or insincerity. It is you people who need to be "banned" here. It is quite evident that you hold a negative influence, which God recognizes, therefore you are banned from your own conscience in His eyes. Can you tell me about Allen Smith and why you added that person? Were you responsible for ejecting that individual from the forum, as a biased hypocrite? Do not pretend to be sympathetic when you are aware that God sees your actions and behavior, JWI So, when I get kicked out, delete all my posts, Tom, JWI.
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  34. Pudgy
    Politics, optics, and money. Politics, optics, and money. … and whenever you think something else is involved, it’s Politics, optics, and money.
  35. BTK59
    I'm not bothered by being singled out, as you seem to be accustomed to defending and protecting yourselves, but it's a good idea to keep your dog on a leash. Speaking of which, in a different thread, TTH mentioned that it would be great if everyone here shared their life stories. As both of you are the librarians here, I kindly ask you to minimize any signs of intimidation or insincerity. It is you people who need to be "banned" here. However, it is quite evident that you hold a negative influence, which God recognizes, therefore you are banned from your own conscience in His eyes.
  36. Srecko Sostar
    Massimo Introvigne is a lobbyist for WTJWorg. So it's interesting to hear how an ex-JW from Norway comments on this lobbyist that WTJWorg likes to use for its defense. The most interesting is the new thesis of GB in which it creates a categorization of former members. According to their latest instruction, you can greet a former member (but only to a limited extent, without socialization) who wants to come to a meeting in KH. But another "type", labeled as "apostate" of ex-JW should not be welcomed. So, GB sinks deeper and deeper into their instructions that "make sense only from their point of view", while ordinary JWs mostly cannot understand them, but are obliged to obey, because these are the "last days".
  37. Pudgy
    … a good, common sense solution. The time has already been wasted and is gone, and … uh …
  38. JW Insider started following JWs sue Norwegian government
  39. JW Insider
    @BTK59 ( @George88 ) ( @BillyTheKid-55 ) ( @Allen Smith ) ( @AllenSmith35 ), etc., etc., etc., etc. -- and @Pudgy ( @James Thomas Rook Jr. ), I once got in trouble from an Admin here for revealing that @TrueTomHarley was from Rochester, based on the assumption that I had used a moderator's ability to read I.P. addresses. I got out of trouble by showing that TTH had himself made posts claiming he was from Rochester. It is considered very bad forum etiquette to reveal information or attempt to reveal personal information about a forum participant that isn't something they bring up about themselves. If it is specifically to reveal something negative, it is clearly malicious. Because it also goes against the rules of the forum, BTK59 and his cohorts might end up getting banned. I don't want to see BTK banned, for all the reasons I've stated before: Banning is meaningless on a forum like this one, because anyone can come back under a different name. Banning is a form of shunning, which can have serious and unintended psychological consequences. Banning can involve erasing all of a person's writing here, into which they may have put a lot of time and research. Banning a person who shows signs of maliciousness and viciousness and paranoia usually will motivate the person to come back only to seek vengeance on everyone they think was involved in their "excommunication" or "disfellowshipping" from the forum. In practice that has meant attacks on persons who were not even interested in the matter. So, for these reasons, I recommend the following so that BTK and cohorts are not banned. I recommend that the posts related to the malicious attempt to expose personal legal issues and troubles be removed. I will remove all related posts within 24 hours, unless both parties to this matter request that they remain.
  40. BTK59
    One issue with historian Flavius Josephus is that he suggests that the Royal Captain of the (Guard) can also be regarded as General Nebuzaradan. A confusion arises from Josephus' account of the captives mentioned in Jeremiah, as he claims that they were taken from Egypt instead of Babylon. Since Nebuchadnezzar was occupied in Rilah, he directed his generals to lay siege to Jerusalem. This could potentially account for the numerous dispatches that Nebuchadnezzar would have sent to the west, but the considerable distance to Borsippa still poses a challenge. As a result, the Babylonians managed to gain control of regions such as Aram (Syria), Ammon, and Moab. The only territories that remained were the coastal cities, where the Egyptians held sway. King Josiah decided to form an alliance with Babylon instead of being under Egyptian rule. So, that part of the territory was covered until King Josiah was defeated. It's interesting how they started back then in 4129, but still end up with the same conclusion with Zedekiah's Defeat 3522 607 B.C. 3419 607 B.C. even though their AM is different.
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