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  1. 7 points
    Of course, there was that "God-damned" snake in the grass back in Eden. It was cursed to crawl on the ground and lick the dust with its [forked] tongue. Then there were those pigs that allowed themselves to be possessed by demons, and were driven to commit suicide. Certain animals might have listened to communication from God to be able to receive a name from Adam. The same could be said for the animals that listened to communication from God to get on Noah's ark. Or for ravens to find Elijah to bring him food. Or, perhaps even a big fish who nearly snacked on Jonah. And there's that special relationship between Jehovah and Leviathan and Behemoth. God gives animals "meat in due season" (food at the proper time): (Psalm 104:27) . . .All of them wait for you To give them their food in its season. And a donkey evidently saved a man's life by ascertaining an invisible angel. On a serious note, I think most people agree that many persons have an unbalanced view of pets. But it's also easy to get unbalanced in the direction of disdaining pets and animals. Remember that Jehovah himself rejoices at his works which obviously includes his many interactions with animals according to the context of Psalm 104. (Psalm 104:28-31) . . .What you give them, they gather. When you open your hand, they are satisfied with good things. 29 When you hide your face, they are disturbed. If you take away their spirit, they die and return to the dust. 30 If you send out your spirit, they are created, And you renew the surface of the ground. 31 The glory of Jehovah will last forever. Jehovah will rejoice in his works.
  2. 6 points
    Here is the Weekly Material for August 19-25 and August 26–September 1, 2019. TB Watchtower August 19-25, 2019.pdf Watchtower August 19-25, 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 19-25 , 2019 text only.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 19-25 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 19-25 , 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 19-25 , 2019 text only.doc CBS August 19-25, 2019.pdf CBS August 19-25, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -August 19-25, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -August 19-25, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -December 31, 2018–January 6, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -August 26–September 1, 2019.pdf CBS August 26–September 1, 2019.pdf CBS August 26–September 1, 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 26–September 1 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 26–September 1 , 2019 text only.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 26–September 1 , 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 26–September 1 , 2019.pdf Watchtower August 26, 2019–September 1, 2019.doc Watchtower August 26, 2019–September 1, 2019.pdf
  3. 4 points
    This is a reference to a Caleb and Sophia video which would be seen as praiseworthy were it for any other cause. If Sophia had had an epiphany and donated her ice cream money to the ‘world hunger fund,’ or the ‘world peace fund,’ or the ‘save the planet fund’ or the ‘animal rescue fund’ or almost any charitable fund, the video would be lauded. It represents training a child that not everything is about her, and that used to be seen as a good thing. It is only because the malcontents here despise the Witness organization dedicated to the relief of ‘spiritual hunger’ that this video is so attacked. Were it for anything else, it would be lauded.
  4. 4 points
    [Dennis Christensen’s closing statement] First, I want to thank my wife Irina, who from the very beginning did everything in her power to help and support me. She took care of me, passed me clothes, groceries, medicines and other things that I needed in the SIZO (Pre-Trial Detention Centre). She has supported me emotionally and spiritually with her visits and letters that I have received from her every day. My dear wife, your strong faith, your great patience, your peace of mind and love for me and for the truth, including your optimism, have all been a great example to me. You should know that I love you very much and that I am very proud of you! I also want to thank my family in Denmark, especially my elderly father and my sister. You should know that I miss you so much. I love you and appreciate everything you have done for me. During my stay in the SIZO you supported me with your numerous letters and telephone conversations. I am sure that you will never give up and lose hope that we will be able to come together again as a family one day. I also want to thank all my many friends from all over the world. You supported me with your letters, encouraging thoughts, beautiful drawings and various gifts. All this has helped me to understand that I am not alone, and that I have a large global family. Dear friends, you should know that every letter, big or small, has encouraged and strengthened me. Please do not be discouraged if I do not have time to respond to your letters. I will find you, thank you and hug you in the future, I promise! I also want to thank the Embassy of the Kingdom of Denmark in Moscow and all its staff. You attended many court sessions and repeatedly visited me in the SIZO. Your helpful advice, guidance and encouragement mean a lot to me, and I really appreciate your support and the great help that you have given me. I would also like to thank the Court of Appeal for the fact that I personally was able to attend this court hearing. When I participated in other appellate cases through videoconferencing from the SIZO, it was difficult for me to hear everything that was said. I had to guess half of what was happening there. This is an unworthy way to defend someone. In addition, when using the conference call in the SIZO, you must sit in jail, as if you were an animal in a zoo. I consider this an unworthy, inhuman treatment today, in the 21st century. At the present, I have already been in the SIZO for almost two years, and this trial has been going on for 15 months. To endure all this, not to give up and not to lose heart, it is extremely necessary to have a certain inner strength. The Bible says - in Philippians, the 4th chapter, the 12th verse - that “I can do everything by him that strengthens me.” In the book of the Prophet Isaiah, the 12th chapter, in verse 2 it is written: “Behold, God is my salvation: I trust in Him and have no fear; for the Lord is my strength, and my song is the Lord; and he has been my salvation. " Throughout this period, I have felt that my God, Jehovah, has been next to me and has given me the strength to endure all this. The power to not give up, not to lose heart, to be joyful and happy and to continue to smile. I am sincerely grateful to him for this and am proud to serve Him as one of his witnesses, one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Many people have asked me how this criminal case have affected me. Of course, it is not easy to be in a SIZO for such a long period of time, to be cut off from your wife and from close contact with your family and friends. The last two years I have lived a very closed life. You could say I have just existed. 23 hours a day I have spent in my prison cell of 3 by 6 meters, and for an hour every day I have gone for a walk in the walking yard, also 3 by 6 meters, although under the open sky. During this time, I met various people with whom I had many interesting conversations. And I noticed that many of them are trying to achieve a decent, honest investigation and trial. Most feel that the system does not hear them, and I have also felt a similar feeling in the past two years. I tried to support and encourage them as best I could, because I am sure that Jesus Christ would have done the same. I made many new friends, some of them were present at a part of the court sessions, and some wrote letters to me. I personally know some of them, but others not yet. Some havethe same faith as I do, others do not, but they still support me, because they cannot tolerate the injustice that is happening here in Russia, the way some here try to make Jehovah’sWitnesses, citizens who love their neighbour as themselves, out to be criminals and call them extremists. This is completely illogical and ridiculous. Many are shocked by the fact that such things happen here, in Russia, in the 21st century. Someone asked me how this criminal case has affected my faith. Thanks to this criminal case, my faith has only become stronger, and I have experienced what the Bible said in the Epistle of James, the first chapter, in verses 2 through 4: “Take great joy, my brethren, when you meet with various trials, knowing that the test of your faith produces endurance; but endurance must have its action complete, so that you may be complete in its entirety, without any deficiency. ” I am still far from perfect, but I have learned to be steadfast and remain joyful in my ordeals. And the most important thing I want to emphasize is that I have drawn even closer to my God Jehovah and have received an even more ardent desire to tell others about him and his purposes, an ardent desire to continue preaching the good news of the Kingdom of God, which is the only solution for humanity. A fervent desire to share with others the joyful message from the Bible about the world and eternal life here, in paradise on earth to help them get closer to the Creator and help develop strong faith in him and his promises. This speech is officially called “the last word in my defence,” and maybe these will be the last words you will hear from me today. Maybe this is the last court hearing in this criminal case, and it will become an end to this last two-year period of my life. But I want to assure you that these are not my last words in this case about the injustice that is happening here in Russia against peaceful and completely innocent people. I have just started, and I have a lot more that I want to tell you publicly. I'm not going to be silent, as if I am guilty and have something to hide. I have a clear conscience, I have not done anything wrong, I have not violated any law of Russia and I have nothing to be ashamed of. What is being done against me and other Witnesses here in Russia are false accusations of extremism, interrogations, detentions, searches, confiscations, discoveries, threats, and now even torture. This should be shameful. It is of course adisgrace. The truth always becomes apparent, and justice will sooner or later prevail. In the Bible, in Galatians, chapter 6, verse 7, it says: “Do not be deceived: God is not mocked. Whatever a man sows, he will reap. ” The court of first instance sentenced me to 6 years in prison, but for what? Nothing. There is no evidence that I did something wrong. On the contrary, there is a lot of evidence that I enjoyed the rights granted to me under Article 28 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. I observe the law of the Russian state and am an honest person. I am a Christian, a believer, a Jehovah's Witness, and I love the Russian people. What are they punishing me for? Why should I be in prison for 6 years? Nothing. This is unfair. I sincerely hope that the Court of Appeal today will protect what is right and take care that justice prevail. That it will namely stop the persecution of faith, which is happening now in Russia. I very much hope that this court of appeal will send a signal to the whole world that here in Russia there is freedom of religion for all people. In the near future these words will be fulfilled: “And he, God, will judge many nations, and they will cast their swords into plowshares and their spears into sickles; nation will not raise the sword against nation, and they will no longer learn how to wage war. But each one will sit under his vine and under his fig tree, and no one will frighten them.” The words of Micah, chapter 4, verses 3 and 4. God always judges justly, and under his rule there will no longer be disagreements, violence and wars. On the contrary, there will be peace, and there will be no anxieties. In other words, there will be true happiness for all of humanity. Your Honor, with your decision today you can make a big step in this direction, in the direction of justice and peace. A big step towards a world without anxiety, sadness and injustice. And I hope you do that. Thank you in advance! [The appeal failed. Seemingly, it had already been decided that it would.]
  5. 4 points
  6. 4 points
    Why not ask Brother Morris, then the issue is resolved. Everything else is just embarrassing! April 19th is our MEMORIAL ceremony ❤ ♥ ☼ ♥ ❤ Thank you....
  7. 4 points
    I don’t admire him. I use him. And I think he is okay with that. I also have sought to understand him. If anything, I admire you & and a few other very similar personas, for the tenacity to defend the current governing arrangement, which I also defend. But admiring or not admiring has little to do with anything. If my goal is to admire and not admire and to demonstrate my loyalty or lack thereof, then I hang out exclusively with the real flesh and blood people of my circuit, who all like me, barring perhaps a few who think me a windbag. (but how can they be faulted for that?) He spills a lot of dirt. I would never spill the dirt that he does. And lest John B start frothing over this, it must be pointed out that everyone everywhere in every field of activity has some dirt that they could spill. It will always be a question of whether they choose to do it or not.) But the fact is that he is not going away. So how do I come to grips with that? Should I simply repeat ‘Liar! liar!’ when the tone of his writing does not suggest lying? Notice what I said (and you quoted): I didn’t say that his information was accurate. I said that HE deems it accurate. I didn’t say that John was right. I said that there were times when HE thought he was right. There is much I like about JWI, but also much I don’t like. I think he is too swayed by the pretentions of journalism that the cockroaches disappear when you shine the bright light of journalism upon them. I think they just go somewhere else, leaving the illusion that something has been solved, which presently enough generally turns out to be but an illusion. I hate to say it. I really really really really hate to say it, but I think someone I might truly like in person is @James Thomas Rook Jr.if you could only muzzle him, which seems unlikely at present. He is unpretentious, and that is a quality I am drawn to. The Internet is not the congregation. You cannot make it behave as though it is. Brothers look like fools when they insist upon it. In a sense of strict organizational loyalty, none of us should be here, you no more (or less) than JWI. (or me) I hope that the brothers enjoy what I write, but rarely are they my main intended audience. Nor, when I address villains, are they my intended audience. It is the unaligned & often misinformed people that I seek to address, and the relative success or futility of this will probably never be known.) To that end, I sometimes distance myself from certain loyal ones who declare their loyalty (often with heat) but otherwise bring little to the table. (and I don’t think of you as one of them- you bring plenty to the table) In real life, I would hang out with them. But the Internet is not real life.
  8. 4 points
    RECHERCHONS DES PERLES SPIRITUELLES - SEMAINE DU 18 FEVRIER 2019 - ROMAINS 7-8.docx RECHERCHONS DES PERLES SPIRITUELLES - SEMAINE DU 18 FEVRIER 2019 - ROMAINS 7-8.pdf JOYAUX DE LA PAROLE DE DIEU Recherchons des perles spirituelles (8 min) : Romains 7-8 Romains 8:6 : Quelle différence y a-t-il entre « fixer sa pensée sur la chair » et « fixer sa pensée sur l’esprit » ? (w17.06 3) « En effet, fixer sa pensée sur la chair mène à la mort, mais fixer sa pensée sur l’esprit mène à la vie et à la paix » Celui qui pense à la chair se concentre sur ses désirs et ses penchants imparfaits ; il parle constamment des choses de la chair et s’en délecte. Celui qui pense à l’esprit donne la priorité aux choses qui sont en accord avec Dieu et ses pensées ; il se laisse diriger par l’esprit saint. « Penser à la chair » conduit à la mort ; « penser à l’esprit » conduit à la vie et à la paix – w17 06 Avant d’effectuer une action, bonne ou mauvaise, nous y avons forcément pensé. Celui qui fixe constamment son attention sur les choses de la chair ne tarde pas à développer une attitude mentale axée uniquement sur elles. Celles-ci finissent en général par avoir entièrement prise sur ses opinions, ses centres d’intérêt et ce qu’il affectionne. “ Penser à la chair [...] signifie la mort ” — spirituelle aujourd’hui et physique dans un proche avenir. Pourquoi ? “ Parce que penser à la chair signifie inimitié contre Dieu, car elle n’est pas soumise à la loi de Dieu, et même, elle ne peut pas l’être. Ceux donc qui vivent selon la chair ne peuvent plaire à Dieu. ” “ Penser à l’esprit signifie vie ”, la vie éternelle dans l’avenir, “ et paix ”, la paix intérieure et la paix avec Dieu dès aujourd’hui. Dans la pratique, qu’implique “ penser à l’esprit ” ? Fixer constamment son attention sur les choses de l’esprit de manière à développer une attitude mentale axée sur elles. Notre façon de penser est alors “ soumise à la loi de Dieu ” et s’harmonise avec la sienne. Ainsi, lorsque se présente une tentation, nous n’avons aucun doute quant à la conduite à adopter. Nous sommes poussés vers le bon choix, un choix guidé par l’esprit de Dieu. Il est donc essentiel de fixer nos pensées sur les choses de l’esprit. Pour y parvenir, ‘ mobilisons nos facultés mentales pour l’action ’, mettons au centre de notre vie des activités spirituelles régulières, comme la prière, la lecture et l’étude de la Bible, les réunions et la prédication Ne permettons pas aux choses de la chair d’être une source de distraction. En pensant aux choses de l’esprit, nous continuerons à marcher selon l’esprit. Cela nous vaudra des bénédictions, car penser à l’esprit signifie vie et paix - TG2011 15/11 p14 §15-18 Etre une personne spirituelle n’est pas une simple question de convenance personnelle ou de tendance naturelle. Il s’agit en réalité d’une question de vie ou de mort. En quel sens quelqu’un de spirituel reçoit-il ‘ vie et paix ’ ? D’après la Bible, une telle personne est, dès à présent, en paix avec elle-même ainsi qu’avec Dieu et, dans l’avenir, elle recevra la vie éternelle en récompense. – TG2007 1/8 p4 Romains 8:26, 27 : Comment Jéhovah peut-il répondre aux « gémissements qui ne sont pas exprimés » ?(w09 15/11 7 § 20). « Pareillement, l’esprit aussi vient à notre aide quand nous sommes faibles ; car le problème, c’est que nous ne savons pas toujours ce qu’il nous faut demander dans nos prières, mais lorsque nos gémissements ne sont pas exprimés, l’esprit lui-même intercède en notre faveur. 27 Et celui qui examine les cœurs sait quelle est l’intention de l’esprit, parce que c’est selon la volonté de Dieu qu’il intercède en faveur des saints ». 20 Il peut nous arriver de ne pas savoir quoi dire dans nos prières personnelles. “ Le problème, explique Paul, le voici : ce pour quoi nous devons prier comme nous en avons besoin, nous ne le savons pas, mais l’esprit [saint] lui-même sollicite pour nous avec des gémissements qui n’ont pas été exprimés. Cependant, celui qui scrute les cœurs [c’est-à-dire Dieu] sait quelle est l’intention de l’esprit. ” (Rom. 8:26, 27). Jéhovah a fait consigner dans les Écritures de nombreuses prières. Il considère que ces requêtes inspirées correspondent à ce que nous aurions souhaité lui demander, et il les exauce. Dieu nous connaît intimement et il comprend les sentiments que les écrivains de la Bible ont décrits sous l’impulsion de l’esprit. Jéhovah répond à nos supplications quand l’esprit “ sollicite ”, autrement dit intercède, pour nous. Mais à mesure que notre connaissance biblique s’affine, nous trouvons plus facilement les mots pour exprimer nos requêtes. – TG2009 15/11 p7§20 En Romains 8:26, 27, Paul explique que les serviteurs de Dieu ne savent pas toujours exactement quoi demander comme ils en ont besoin quand ils prient. Cependant, Dieu sait qu’ils désirent que sa volonté soit faite. Il sait aussi de quoi ses serviteurs ont besoin. Par le passé, Dieu a fait consigner dans sa Parole de nombreuses prières inspirées, qui expriment sa volonté ou sa pensée à leur égard. Il agrée donc ces prières inspirées comme étant ce que son peuple aimerait dire et ce pour quoi il aimerait prier, et en conséquence il les exauce. Dieu connaît les cœurs sincères et il connaît aussi la “ pensée ” des choses qu’il a fait dire à son esprit par l’intermédiaire des rédacteurs de la Bible. Il sait “ quelle est l’intention [la pensée] de l’esprit ” lorsque celui-ci “ sollicite ”, ou intercède, pour eux. - it-2 p524-525 Nos gémissements intérieurs demeurent souvent inexprimés parce que nous ne comprenons pas totalement la situation dans laquelle nous nous trouvons ou parce que nous ne savons pas que dire à Jéhovah. C’est dans ces moments-là que l’esprit saint peut intercéder pour nous. Paul a écrit: “Le problème se pose: ce que nous devons demander dans nos prières comme il le faudrait, nous ne le savons pas, mais l’esprit lui-même sollicite pour nous par des gémissements inexprimés.” (Romains 8:26). Comment cela? La Parole de Dieu renferme des prophéties et des prières inspirées qui se rapportent à notre situation. Jéhovah les laisse en quelque sorte intercéder pour nous. Il considère que c’est ce que nous dirions si nous comprenions comment elles s’appliquent à notre cas, et il nous exauce en conséquence. – TG1991 15/12 p18 §18 Parfois, nous avons du mal à savoir exactement quoi demander dans la prière. Dans ce cas, Dieu peut même voir les sentiments que nous n’avons pas su exprimer ; il fait appel à sa connaissance parfaite de notre situation pour répondre précisément à nos besoins (Romains 8:26, 27). Quand nous nous rendons compte que Dieu est intervenu dans notre vie, même de façon discrète, nous nous sentons attirés par lui. – TG2014 1/ 4 p4 Qu’est-ce que la lecture biblique de cette semaine t’a appris sur Jéhovah ? Nous sommes tous issus d’Adam. Que nous le voulions ou non, nous avons hérité de lui un corps imparfait, soumis au péché et à la mort. Paul décrit bien notre triste condition. « Je suis charnel, écrit-il, vendu sous le péché. Homme misérable que je suis ! Qui me délivrera du corps voué à cette mort ? » Paul répond lui-même à sa question : « Grâces soient rendues à Dieu par Jésus Christ notre Seigneur ! » (Romains 7:14, 24, 25). – TG2015 1/3 p4 Jéhovah est conscient du pouvoir du péché. Sa Parole présente le péché comme une force qui tient l’homme dans son étreinte mortelle. Et quelle étreinte ! Dans sa lettre aux Romains, l’apôtre Paul explique : nous sommes “ sous le péché ”, comme des soldats sont sous les ordres de leur commandant (Romains 3:9) ; le péché “ a régné ” sur les humains comme un roi (Romains 5:21) ; il “ réside ” en nous (Romains 7:17, 20) ; sa “ loi ” est constamment à l’œuvre en nous, cherchant à diriger nos actions (Romains 7:23, 25). Quelle terrible emprise le péché exerce sur notre chair déchue Romains 7:21, 24. cl chap26 §5 Satan veut détruire notre amitié avec Jéhovah. Il aimerait détruire notre relation avec Jéhovah, que ce soit en nous attaquant frontalement par la persécution ou sournoisement en rongeant lentement notre foi. Le découragement est une de ses tactiques sournoises les plus efficaces. C’est efficace, car cela détruit peu à peu notre amitié avec Jéhovah. Parfois Paul était découragé. Un jour il a dit qu’il était un « homme misérable ». Il pensait qu’il ne valait rien. (Romains 7:21-24) Pourtant Paul avait une belle amitié avec Jéhovah, et il faisait sans doute partie du collège central. Alors pourquoi était-il découragé ? C’était à cause de ses points faibles. Il voulait faire le bien mais ce n’était pas toujours facile. Si nous sommes découragé à cause de nos points faibles, nous serons rassuré de savoir que Paul a eu les mêmes sentiments. – TG2014 15/9 p12 §12 L’apôtre Paul a encouragé tous les chrétiens à ne pas banaliser, ou considérer comme ordinaire, la liberté que Jéhovah nous a donnée par le moyen de son Fils, Jésus Christ. Paul était profondément malheureux et avait la conscience troublée parce qu’il était captif du péché et de la mort. Mais il a déclaré avec reconnaissance : « Grâces soient rendues à Dieu [ou : Je remercie Dieu] par Jésus Christ notre Seigneur ! » Pourquoi ? Il a expliqué à ses compagnons chrétiens : « Car la loi de l’esprit qui donne la vie en union avec Christ Jésus vous a libérés de la loi du péché et de la mort » (Rom. 7:24, 25 ; 8:2). À l’exemple de Paul, nous ne devrions jamais oublier que Jéhovah nous a libérés du péché et de la mort. Grâce à la rançon, nous pouvons servir notre Dieu avec une conscience nette et y prendre vraiment plaisir – TG2018 Avril p8 §7 Paul s’est exclamé : « Homme misérable que je suis ! » (Rom. 7:24). Beaucoup d’entre nous se disent la même chose. Pourquoi ? Parce que même si nous désirons réellement plaire à Jéhovah, nous n’y arrivons pas toujours à cause de notre imperfection, et cela nous décourage. Mais la Bible nous assure que «ceux qui se réfugient en Jéhovah» n’ont pas à se sentir écrasés par la culpabilité – TG2017 Novembre p8 §1,2 Romains 7:21-25. Paul savait bien comme cela peut être dur de lutter contre de mauvais désirs et des faiblesses. Mais il était sûr qu’il pouvait gagner le combat s’il priait Jéhovah pour lui demander son aide, et s’il manifestait sa foi dans le sacrifice de Jésus. Et nous ? Pouvons-nous gagner le combat contre nos faiblesses ? Oui, si comme Paul nous comptons entièrement sur la force de Jéhovah et pas sur la nôtre, et si nous avons foi en la rançon. – ws2016/9 p8 §14 Jéhovah n’acceptera notre culte que s’il est saint, ou pur. Notre culte ne peut pas être pur si nous faisons des choses que Jéhovah déteste, comme la violence, les actes sexuels immoraux et tout ce qui a un lien avec le spiritisme (Romains 8:13). Mais si nous nous divertissons avec ces choses, cela ne plaira pas non plus à Jéhovah. Notre culte ne sera pas pur et Jéhovah ne l’acceptera pas. Cela mettra sérieusement en danger notre amitié avec lui. – lvs chap6 p75 §6 Tous ceux qui sont fidèles à Jéhovah et à son organisation recevront des bienfaits. Les chrétiens oints seront rois avec Jésus dans le ciel. (Romains 8:16, 17) Les autres chrétiens recevront la vie sans fin dans le Paradis. Tous les adorateurs de Jéhovah ont la belle mission de parler aux gens de ces bienfaits. Si nous rendons notre amitié avec Jéhovah plus forte et si nous continuons à progresser spirituellement en avançant au rythme de l’organisation de Jéhovah, en marchant constamment à son allure, nous aussi nous pourrons recevoir des bienfaits extraordinaires. – ws2014 15/5 p21 §16 Dieu ne manifeste pas son amour uniquement en comblant nos besoins physiques. Il nous a aussi accordé de l’honneur et de la dignité en mettant en nous des besoins spirituels et en nous donnant la capacité de les combler. Grâce à cela, les humains qui obéissent à Dieu peuvent espérer faire un jour partie de sa famille, être ses « enfants » (Romains 8:19-21).- TG2014 1/3 p3 Romains 8:21 nous garantit que le monde nouveau viendra bel et bien. Ce verset promet que « la création elle aussi sera libérée de l’esclavage de la corruption et aura la liberté glorieuse des enfants de Dieu ». La question est de savoir si nous y serons, si nous obtiendrons la récompense – TG2016/12 p13 §4 Quand nous rendons témoignage, nous pouvons expliquer que, sous le règne de Christ, l’humanité bénéficiera de l’application complète du sacrifice rédempteur et sera progressivement amenée à la perfection. La Bible déclare : « La création elle aussi sera libérée de l’esclavage de la corruption et aura la liberté glorieuse des enfants de Dieu » (Rom. 8:21). Cela sera possible uniquement grâce à la faveur extraordinaire de Jéhovah. – TG2016/7 p30 §18 L’amour de Dieu pour les humains est si grand qu’il ne leur refuse pas le bien, quoi qu’il lui en coûte. Son amour est éternel. Nous pourrons toujours compter dessus. Tout humain sensible à l’amour de Jéhovah et qui se soumet avec obéissance à sa domination connaîtra un avenir merveilleux « Je suis convaincu, a écrit Paul, que ni mort ni vie, ni anges ni gouvernements, ni choses présentes ni choses à venir, ni puissances, ni hauteur ni profondeur, ni aucune autre création ne pourra nous séparer de l’amour de Dieu qui est en Christ Jésus notre Seigneur » (Rom. 8:38, 39). – TG2015 15/11 p16 §15 Quelles autres perles spirituelles as-tu découvertes dans la lecture biblique de cette semaine ? Satan sait que nous avons des points faibles. Parfois il profite de nos points faibles pour nous pousser à faire des choses mauvaises. Alors cela devient difficile de rester fidèles à Jéhovah. Il y a des signaux qui nous avertissent d’un danger. Par exemple, ne plus prier, ou prêcher moins, ou aller moins souvent aux réunions. C’est dangereux de penser que ce n’est pas grave. Nous risquons peu à peu de ne plus entendre ce que Jéhovah nous dit. Satan va en profiter et il va nous pousser à obéir à nos mauvais désirs. Finalement, nous risquons de faire une action mauvaise que nous ne pensions jamais faire. (Romains 7:15) Mais cela n’arrivera pas si nous faisons des changements dans notre conduite dès que nous voyons le signal d’un danger. Si nous écoutons bien la voix de Jéhovah, nous n’écouterons jamais la voix d’étrangers. – ws2014 15/8 p21 §8 Tout le monde peut être tenté, même des adultes. En effet, la tentation peut se manifester de différentes façons. L’apôtre Paul n’était pas tout jeune quand il a écrit : « Je prends en effet plaisir à la loi de Dieu [...], mais je vois dans mes membres une autre loi qui fait la guerre contre la loi de mon intelligence et qui m’emmène captif vers la loi du péché » (Romains 7:22, 23). Si Paul a résisté à l’envie de céder, nous aussi nous pouvons y arriver ! Et puis, pourquoi devenir esclave de nos désirs ? (1 Corinthiens 9:27). Si nous sommes jeune et si nous apprenons dès maintenant à résister à la tentation, nous allons nous épargner bien des soucis et cela nous sera également utile quand nous serons adulte. – RV2014/10 p8 La liberté que l’esprit de Jéhovah procure est plus qu’une libération d’un esclavage physique. L’esprit de Jéhovah libère de l’imperfection et de la mort, ainsi que du faux culte et de ses pratiques (Romains 8:2). Quelle liberté extraordinaire ! Même quelqu’un qui est en prison ou esclave peut en ressentir les bienfaits – TG2018 Avril p8 §5 Les chrétiens oints pensent toujours au Royaume céleste de Dieu et à leur espérance d’être « cohéritiers de Christ » (Rom. 8:14-17). Et ceux qui ont une espérance terrestre ? Comment les paroles de Paul s’appliquent-elles à eux ? Comment les « autres brebis » peuvent-elles penser toujours aux « choses d’en haut » ? Bien qu’elles n’aient pas l’espérance céleste, les autres brebis aussi peuvent penser toujours aux choses d’en haut. Comment ? En accordant la priorité à Jéhovah Dieu et aux intérêts du Royaume. Notre chair imparfaite nous porte à nous adonner à des choses qui flattent nos sens (Romains 7:21-25). Sans l’action de l’esprit saint de Dieu dans notre vie, nous pourrions céder à « des œuvres des ténèbres » Pour rester vigilant spirituellement, il nous faut donc penser toujours aux choses d’en haut. Nous pouvons le faire sous trois rapports. Notre conduite, notre mentalité, notre soutien à la prédication – TG2014 15/10 p28 Dans le monde d’aujourd’hui, le chagrin, les souffrances et la mort sont partout. Les humains gémissent, souffrent et meurent (Romains 8:22) C’est pour cela que nous avons besoin du monde nouveau de Jéhovah où la guérison physique complète promise par Dieu aura lieu. Dans ce monde-là, tous les humains auront ce que Jéhovah a promis : une santé parfaite. Notre reconnaissance sincère envers Dieu et notre foi profonde dans ses promesses devraient dès maintenant nous pousser à faire tout notre possible pour être dignes de vivre dans le monde nouveau. – TG2015 15/6 p12 §18 Une image nette de notre récompense invisible nous aide à persévérer, à être joyeux et à prendre des décisions en fonction de notre espoir de vivre éternellement. Paul a écrit à des chrétiens oints : « Si nous espérons ce que nous ne voyons pas, nous continuons à l’attendre avec endurance » (Rom. 8:25). En fait, ces paroles s’appliquent à tous les chrétiens qui espèrent vivre éternellement. Bien que nous n’ayons pas encore reçu notre « récompense », notre foi est si forte que nous continuons à l’attendre patiemment. Comme Moïse, nous ne considérons aucune année passée à servir Jéhovah comme du temps perdu. TG2014 15/4 p3
  9. 4 points
    16 Not all who have the heavenly hope are part of “the faithful and discreet slave.” (From the same 2016 Watchtower as quoted above by Kosonen) Who has the right to say this ? Who has the right to put that in print ? Note is does not say 'those that might think they have the heavenly hope'. It actually says Not all who have the heavenly hope ... The GB of the JW org approve of this being written and used at meetings of JW's. So the GB themselves are judging the other MEMBERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST'S BRIDE. The GB are judging those of the 144,000 chosen ones. Has God or Jesus Christ given the GB the right to do the judging ? I would not think so.
  10. 4 points
    I think this point showed excellent insight. I wondered if this is what you meant from the start. The very context shows that the type of leadership in this case is more like the local elders rather than the far-away GB: (Hebrews 13:7) . . .Remember those who are taking the lead among you, who have spoken the word of God to you, and as you contemplate how their conduct turns out, imitate their faith. However, I wouldn't get too hung up on variations in translations, or changes from one NWT to a newer version. As JWs, we are always happy to quote other translations that support our view of Scriptures. There are always several different ways to translate something and it doesn't mean that one is right and one is wrong. They could both be right. Often there are two ways to say the exact same thing. Often there are slight differences, and sometimes larger differences in meaning, and a translator is obligated to take an educated guess. The "nakedness" vs "lacking clothing" discussion is an example of that. The word for nakedness in the original Greek is "gymnos." (Strong's Greek #1131) It's the same word from which we get "gymnasium" because sports in the Greek/Roman world were often performed naked (and sometimes nearly so). This reminds me that I gave a funeral talk in Manhattan in 2013 on the day of the Annual Meeting, and the elder from Bethel (Patterson) who was supposed to give the talk had to leave early for his seat in Jersey City. I already had a copy of the NWT 2013 Revised on PDF, and was under strict orders not to share this fact with anyone, not even my wife. But I cheated a bit. The funeral was attended by a lot of her "worldly" neighbors in addition to brothers and sisters. She had been well-known as a Dorcas-like sister who actually had bought me a new warm coat when I first came to Bethel in 1976. I wanted to use the example in James 2:15, but I always hated the fact that it said "naked" there, and I especially didn't want to read it that way in front of non-Witnesses: (James 2:15-16) 15 If a brother or a sister is in a naked state and lacking the food sufficient for the day, 16 yet a certain one of YOU says to them: “Go in peace, keep warm and well fed,” but YOU do not give them the necessities for [their] body, of what benefit is it? So I used the 2013 NWT Revised, against orders, but no one called me out on it. Because no one else should have known anyway. Besides, the new Bible was to be released in just a few hours: (James 2:15, 16) 15 If a brother or a sister is lacking clothing and enough food for the day, 16 yet one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but you do not give them what they need for their body, of what benefit is it? The first is actually a little more accurate from a literal point of view. But the second is probably more accurate from a practical point of view, as it's hard to imagine someone coming into the KH completely naked. The word "torture stake" vs "stake" is a good point. One is for understanding and the other more literal. A better example might be the word "impaled" which was completely wrong in its most common connotations. That was fixed in 2013. Some other points are still questionable, and the translators might still wonder whether they may have had a better choice in the old version of the NWT. Here's an example, I wanted to share earlier when discussion the term "illiterate" with @Outta Here so I'll use this excuse to bring it up now: (John 7:15) 15 Therefore the Jews fell to wondering, saying: “How does this man have a knowledge of letters, when he has not studied at the schools?” (pre-2013 NWT) (John 7:15) 15 And the Jews were astonished, saying: “How does this man have such a knowledge of the Scriptures when he has not studied at the schools?” (2013 NWT) The older version could be saying something specific about literacy, where the second is referring to knowledge of Scripture itself.
  11. 4 points
    Further to all the earlier postings and your original point. Yes, I can see what you mean. In the context of Paul's words having been written prior to John's writings, and to the consensus on what constituted the canon of the Christian Greek Scriptures, then, yes, Paul's statement might be viewed as a mini-prophecy as you state. However, it is entirely unlikely that Paul meant specifically that his words should be understood that way. Rather, the purpose of his writing was to instruct Timothy in what should form the basis for his own faith and that which he would teach to others, namely "the holy writings", or "All Scripture", as opposed to the ear-tickling teachings he refers to at 2 Tim.4:3. He may well have had in mind at this time the coming conclusions to be made regarding his own writings, as well as the other completed letters and gospels, especially in view of the spiritual gifts he undoubtedly enjoyed. Also, as the book of Revelation confirms, further written communication is to be expected from Jehovah, so it seems unlikely that Paul felt the "All" was done in his day. In fact more likely that what was to be termed "All" would be expanded. There is prudence in terming the holy writings as "All Scripture". If he had said the "Jewish Scriptures", or some other time-rooted descriptor, then there would have been room for dispute over what constituted those writings, perhaps falling into the hands of the Judaizers, or some other apostatisers and their time-wasting definition debates. This is, however a hindsight observation of practicality of expression, not unlike the embedded wisdom we can now see in the injunction to "cleanse ourselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit", which circumvents the need for listing every possible combination of the same. ?
  12. 3 points
    On the contrary, the org should value the people who can respectfully discuss and critically examine doctrine like what is done here...Berean-like ones that test out the expressions they hear against the Bible. Instead, direction is not up for debate and people are told to even submit to “illogical” direction from the organization. So what the org will become is a bunch of yes-men who don’t know how to think for themselves.
  13. 3 points
    He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god. This has to be the GB of JW Org. They have exalted themselves above every other human on this earth. Above all of the true Anointed. Even to a point above Jesus Christ.
  14. 3 points
    Concerning "Animals being given undo importance" .... We are very fragile, big ugly bags of mostly water and require a LOT of things :of the world to stay alive, and healthy, and emotionally stable. I have 16 pet chickens ( two died of heat exhaustion, from being run around the yard by my dogs, after flying out of their temporary enclosure, and I buried them this morning in the yard with little plastic pipe "tombstones" which I melted into the side with a soldering iron their names and date of death, which was yesterday). And yet ... when I die, I do not care if I am just left where I fall, or someone puts my remains in a dumpster. And yet ... today at Golden Corral, my wife and I ate fried chicken, and I pondered "Am I a hypocrite, for loving both live chickens ... and those crispy fried??" I looked at myself in the mirror, and noticed my eyes are in front (predator), and the chickens' eyes are on the side of their heads (prey), and decided that that is the natural order of things, and I should just get used to it, without recriminations. Besides .... "Love Never Fails" .... and when I die, I will probably be too tough to eat, and with the fried chicken .... it's no one we know.
  15. 3 points
    (Anna just reminded me that I promised to post what I heard.) This is what I understood the speaker to say: Don't elevate animals to status of man. Man was made in God's image and has the ability to love, appreciate wisdom, reasoning, music and poetry and worship. Animals can't do that. The speaker also cited the Leona Hemsley and what she left in her will for her dog (and to have him buried beside her). He said to show love to our great God, Jehovah. Jehovah will provide for us as he provides for the birds who are assured of confident eating ( Matt 6:26).
  16. 3 points
    JW Insider

    who is referred to here?

    This is true. But then again this will always be true because the end is closer now than at the time we became believers. (Romans 13:11, 12) . . .And do this because you know the season, that it is already the hour for you to awake from sleep, for now our salvation is nearer than at the time when we became believers. 12 The night is well along; the day has drawn near.. . . Since the late 1600's, especially, religions that focus on where we are in terms of chronology and prophecy have claimed we are at the cusp of the Great Tribulation. The Millerite movement apparently produced at least 100,000 people who could be convinced that 1843/1844 was the end. A Millerite named Barbour was able to convince Russell from his updated version of Miller's chronology that Barbour had used to prove 1873/1874 was the end. The Watchtower said that the signs were unmistakable that the last days had begun in 1799 and the Watchtower pointed to heavenly signs in the sun and stars in the early 1800's as proof. The evidence is so overwhelming now, today, that it would seem crazy to deny that we are deep into the last days, and yet we should keep in mind that the evidences seemed just as overwhelming to Miller, Barbour, Russell and others, and probably just as overwhelming to Paul's contemporaries. And we truly HAVE been on the cusp of the Great Tribulation ever since 70 C.E. when the first part of the prophecy about the destruction of Jerusalem was fulfilled. Remember that Jesus said that "immediately after those days, the sun would be darkened" etc. As Peter said, it could be 1,000 years off, and yet we are still to live as if the parousia could be within our lifetime. If we happen to survive to that time, we were on the cusp, and if we happen to die before that time, we were on the cusp, because our next waking second after our death, should be in the resurrection.
  17. 3 points
    You are world class! I performed for the adults in the little piano school I go to, but you performed for the world! It pleased me mightily! The teacher is a young woman about 30, but she is professionally trained and has the insight of a 60 year old. She was helping us to get over our fear of performing. That was my second performance. The first one was at a nice new school on a new piano. It was held in February. Audience of about 200. I played Hungarian Rhapsody Theme. Yesterday was just an end of term performance so we could help our peers get over performance fears. I played Black Forest Polka and a piece I used to play when I was eleven in key of G. They were astounded I could still remember it although I never had the book with it. It was owned by the teacher. She would let me play from that book for a change. "If you don't recognize the tune, it never made the cut for Kingdom Songs." Too funny! I enjoyed it so much that although I know the piece, I can't write the name of it. Sounds like Bach. My preferred kind of music is classical, so you did well. Hi JWI, Funny but I am still playing Kingdom Songs from the big brown 1984 book. (And my copy still looks new) They are about seven songs in there that I used to play well (13, 14,15 , 17 and 201) and I have just continued where I left off. In the new book I am working on No 43 - A Prayer of Thanks and 115 Gratitude for Divine Patience which I also used to play before. I pick the ones where the music is simpler. I rather play in C than with four flats or sharps. The best one is 15 Life without End - At Last! No. 15 in the old book in the key of C. In the new book it is in Aflat major I think with four flats. I sometimes turn the function key from piano to Pipe (Church) Organ and pretend to be an organist. Some brothers are prejudiced to the organ, so I play it for myself. These new electric pianos can sound like almost any instrument by just the touch of a switch. Love of music is God-given and he is not against music, but everything must be put in its place. I decided to continue my music as it is said to help the brain. If you don't use it you lose it. Music helps us to use a part of the brain that is not frequently used. It also helps to build a high level of discipline, listening ability, appreciation, tolerance and other good qualities. Look up the benefits. They have also come across quite a few Alzheimers persons who can still play although they are not very functional otherwise. So that says something. It helps one also to be able to enjoy oneself when alone. So don't put the harmonica back into the case, do a little practise every day. Hope to post something if I get it recorded. Like you and Anna, I like Bible study, language, fine art and music. If they put me in prison rest assured I will sing not Dee Dum Bum Bum , but "Firm and Determined in this Time of the End... from "Forward You Witnesses!" 29 in 1984 book. Was singing it since the 1950s, so don't think that is coming out of my brain now. I will simply read and sing the new words but the old words are etched there for good. (Let Rook know)
  18. 3 points
    As far as I know, there are strict outlines that are closely adhered to, and from my experience of conventions, the same talks by different brothers sound pretty much alike. Not word for word of course, otherwise it wouldn't be an outline but a script. But the likely hood of them sounding completely different is unlikely. That is not to say some elder couldn't slip in his own ideas, something he maybe feels passionately about. Especially at a KH. This happens very rarely now though, and especially not at conventions. I remember one elder years ago, had something against Teenage Ninja Turtles, and counseled parents in his talk about how it was not appropriate for a Christian to allow their children to play with those toys. You know that was NOT in the outline. Nevertheless, there were parents that made their kids throw away all their treasured Ninja Turtles.... talk about imposing your own conscience on others! This is one reason why the outlines now have become very specific, and have to be strictly followed, so that this kind of thing does not happen.
  19. 3 points
    other than those things that TTH enumerated about you...I think you're OK
  20. 3 points
    Kids cost an arm and a leg to raise. Two of them will disable you for life. Okay. I’ll approach it in that spirit. I think you defeat yourself looking at it this way. The Bible is a finite book. You have been reading it for 70 years. Just what do you expect to learn that is new? There are three assembly events in modern times. There were three assembly events, connected with the festivals, in ancient times. What did they learn then that was new? Why did they go?
  21. 3 points
    He does. That’s half the problem. Working up a better answer. Time is a little tight now.
  22. 3 points
    Sorry to disappoint. I usually give up on explaining things concisely at about the time I notice that I am already up to 20 paragraphs. But I meant that there have already been several pages of explanations in this thread and others, going right back to your original question. The very fact that the GB produces contradictory statements about themselves, which are not based on scripture, that was what made me say that the GB cannot be the same as the FDS. A GB that declares itself to be the FDS is already "publishing a flawed argument" "skating close to the edge" and "in no man's land" if I may borrow some verbiage from Outta Here. This goes back to a WT quote that Noble Berean provided, back on page 5 or so: "[A mature christian] does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and "the faithful and discreet slave." (w01 8/1 p.14)   And a similar one here: *** w04 10/1 p. 7 “The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth”—How? *** One who is meek humbly accepts God’s standards in all aspects of his personal life; he does not insist on going by his own views or by other people’s opinions. He is also teachable, willing to be taught by Jehovah. The psalmist David wrote: “[Jehovah] will cause the meek ones to walk in his judicial decision, and he will teach the meek ones his way.”—Psalm 25:9; Proverbs 3:5, 6. We now see that it has been admitted that the GB have sometimes been advocating or insisting on their own views. Several of these views have been "false" as they have now admitted. It is clear that in some cases these have merely been based on other people's opinions, often their own predecessors on the GB. They have sometimes forgotten to be meek. Although they admit that some of the teachings and direction has been incorrect, they have sometimes forgotten the meekness and humility that should come from these experiences and continue to insist that others should have "complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by . . . the faithful and discreet slave." Well that is the same as saying that we should have complete confidence in views and opinions that are prone to error, potentially false and uninspired, just because they have been mixed in with truths revealed from Jehovah through his Son, Jesus Christ. But with true humility, faithfulness and discretion it doesn't have to be this way. The GB, as overseers (elders), are reaching out for an oversight position over the extended worldwide congregations, and are therefore reaching out for a fine work. It is a very valuable and useful office of oversight. And through it they can preside over various questions and concerns, while considering input and issues from all over the world. But in any position of privilege or heavy responsibility there is a danger that Jesus clearly warned about. If we take Jesus' words seriously, we will be on the watch for the very examples that Jesus warned about. We know that the GB consider themselves to be in a position much like that of the original 12 apostles, or that of the "NT" Bible writers, and the Bible tells us what such positions can lead to: the desire for control, power, prominence, leadership, and even obedience. (Matthew 19:27-20:27) . . .Then Peter said in reply: “Look! We have left all things and followed you; what, then, will there be for us?” . . .[Jesus answered] you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. 29 And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit everlasting life. 30 “But many who are first will be last and the last first. . . .‘These last men put in one hour’s work; still you made them equal to us who bore the burden of the day and the burning heat!’ 13 But he said in reply to one of them, ‘Fellow, I do you no wrong. You agreed with me for a de·narʹi·us, did you not? 14 Take what is yours and go. I want to give to this last one the same as to you. . . . Or is your eye envious because I am good?’ 16 In this way, the last ones will be first, and the first ones last.” . . . 20 Then the mother of the sons of Zebʹe·dee approached him with her sons, . . . . “Give the word that these two sons of mine may sit down, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your Kingdom.” . . . 23 He said to them: “You will indeed drink my cup, but to sit down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.” 24 When the ten others heard about it, they became indignant at the two brothers. 25 But Jesus called them to him and said: “You know that the rulers of the nations lord it over them and the great men wield authority over them. 26 This must not be the way among you; but whoever wants to become great among you must be your minister, 27 and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave. I think there is a tendency for all of us to want to read into the first century congregation a kind of human authority structure among the apostles and older men of Jerusalem that just wasn't there. The apostles remaining in Jerusalem prior to the writing of the "NT" has allready served its purpose, and is not intended as an ongoing model of apostolic succession in the last days. Because we are only human, we think that the hierarchical system under Moses, and therefore the "seat of Moses" was intended to continue into Christian times. We are therefore anxious to see any criticizers as "Korah vs Moses." We don't have the faith that true Christianity can thrive without a group of men wielding authority. (Just as Israel didn't think they could compete with nations around them without a king.) We tend not to see this wielding of authority as a problem, because MOST of what the GB relays and publishes is perfectly acceptable. But this lax attitude toward what Jesus warned us about can result in a very dangerous situation for Christians. We do not mature as we should to stand on our own, because it's so much easier to just accept humans as leaders, and accept them as vicars of Christ. Paul pointed out the folly of this very attitude toward other humans who think they should be more than what even the "apostles" were, and who want to be more than just faithful and discreet "stewards." They will tend to go beyond the things written; to want honor, and to judge, and to govern. (1 Corinthians 4:2-10) 2 In this regard, what is expected of stewards is that they be found faithful. 3 Now to me it is of very little importance to be examined by you or by a human tribunal. In fact, I do not even examine myself. 4 For I am not conscious of anything against myself. But by this I am not proved righteous; the one who examines me is Jehovah. 5 Therefore, do not judge anything before the due time, until the Lord comes. He will bring the secret things of darkness to light and make known the intentions of the hearts, and then each one will receive his praise from God. 6 Now, brothers, these things I have applied to myself and A·polʹlos for your good, that through us you may learn the rule: “Do not go beyond the things that are written,” so that you may not be puffed up with pride, favoring one against the other. 7 For who makes you different from another? Indeed, what do you have that you did not receive? If, in fact, you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not receive it? 8 Are you already satisfied? Are you already rich? Have you begun ruling as kings without us? I really wish that you had begun ruling as kings, so that we also might rule with you as kings. 9 For it seems to me that God has put us the apostles last on exhibition as men condemned to death, because we have become a theatrical spectacle to the world, and to angels and to men. 10 We are fools because of Christ, but you are discreet in Christ; we are weak, but you are strong; you are held in honor, but we in dishonor. These men wanted to be "guardians" when Paul indicated that the entire worldwide congregation were their/our guardians: (1 Corinthians 4:15) . . .For though you may have 10,000 guardians in Christ. . . (Romans 14:12) . . .So, then, each of us will render an account for himself to God. (Romans 14:4) 4 Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand. (Galatians 6:4, 5) 4 But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person. 5 For each one will carry his own load.
  23. 3 points
    Things like this are a good test of peoples' integrity. ESPECIALLY when the test has a simple YES or NO answer, and they are aware that they will answer to Almighty God, for lying. Honest questions deserve honest answers, and unless life or liberty are at stake, are appropriate. Especially in a discussion room where credibility is so very important ... as we are casually discussing life and death matters. so here goes..... 1.) BillyTheKid46, ... are you now or have you ever been one of Jehovah's Witnesses ? ... and, 2.) are you now, or have ever been a Watchtower Lawyer, or anything similar? 3.) Space Merchant: Are you now or have you ever been one of Jehovah's Witnesses? Working on the exchange of information theory of Steven Covey, in "The Seven Habits of Successful People", about emotional "bank accounts" ... that it is immoral to try and make a withdrawal without having enough "deposits" to cover it ... please consider all the personal information about myself I have freely given here, to try and contribute to general understanding ... including my real name, and real picture, ad nauseaum, as enough "deposit" to cover the request for a withdrawal from YOUR emotional bank accounts, for information not already volunteered. Of course this only works between men of integrity, and will be ridiculed and/or ignored by weasels.
  24. 3 points
    It's quite clear from your words that they are INTENDED to apply only to your agenda. If all four legged animals are horses ... then a cow must, by your logic, be a vegetable. Your Billy-think is fully evidenced by calling JW Insider "?winsider", and thinking his screen name is an affront against God. Using that same logic, Jehovah's last name is .ORG.
  25. 3 points
    In a scholarly world. There are many levels of understanding. There is no one set of rule. However, scripture does contain certain rules. This is why Jesus never became a formal rabbi with scholarly works. He didn’t need to, just like we don’t need to. Here is but a taste of the many variations. So on and so on! However, if you want to pick up the challenge of scholarly works, it will take you decades to understand something that should come natural to a true believer of Christ and God.
  26. 3 points
    what I meant is that I don’t plan to pursue it. However, JWI himself responded, so I will. He has extraordinary powers granted him by the Librarian (that old hen). He can divide into a separate thread if he wants to. One college kid asked, when I proposed coming back, “To what end?” It was a question I’d not been asked before. I explained that in my ideal scenario I would return 100 times and engage in 100 different conversations and on the 101st I would ask him if he wanted to be a Jehovah’s Witness like me and at that time he should say ‘No.’ I even asked him to rehearse. “Let me show you how it would work. I am going to ask you to become a Witness like me and I want you to say “No.” Would you do that? He agreed. “Would you like to become a Witness?” I asked. “No,” he said. “You see? Nothing to worry about. It’s just conversation. You’ll learn your way around the Bible in the meantime. The moment you tire of it, just let me know. No one is easier to get rid of than Tommy.” The anticult people try to spin our calls as “recruiting.” That’s why the outrage some have over the recent letter expressing condolences over someone’s loss. If they just took it at face value, they’d be okay with it. We should not let those scoundrels define the game. Are we “recruiting?” I suppose so, but in the most non-threatening way possible, so that only by really stretching the point could we be said to be doing it. And it is not an immediate goal—telling the good news of the kingdom is. College is far more indoctrinating than anything having to do with Jehovah’s Witnesses. The typical student is separated 24/7 from his or her previous stabilizing routine and people—a classic tool of brainwashing. (I didn’t actually go through the rehearsal with him. Our best lines always occur to us too late. But that does not mean that I won’t do it when the situation is right.)
  27. 3 points
    TrueTomHarley

    NEW TV-JW.ORG FEATURED PROGRAMMING!

    You bring this up so frequently (and HOW old are you?) that I have become curious over something: Please post a full-length photo of yourself. If, as I suspect, it shows you wearing spray-on pants, that will explain a lot.
  28. 3 points
  29. 3 points
    Anna

    REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM

    I'm just trying to be fair, and I believe the truth is the truth and a lie is a lie no matter who says it.
  30. 3 points
    And I thought it was an Eden Iguana!
      Hello guest!
  31. 3 points
    Who are these people but a bunch of flakes like you? So what have they actually confirmed in your puzzled mind? They don't speak for the Watchtower. In their hearts, they are not affiliated to the Watchtower. They speak in the same respect as apostates. Therefore, what possible thing can they prove aside to confirm how inadequate you are in understanding scripture with their understanding? The GB didn't teach you to apply scripture by their standards. They taught you through others to apply scripture by Christ standards, Therefore, what have you taught yourself by learning scripture on your own? To be foolish and an apostate? You really taught yourself something. How embarrassing it will be when someone wants to use somebody like you in a court of law as a witness. It is going to be very easy to prove your personal bias and mental state.
  32. 3 points
    Someone has to take out the trash.
  33. 3 points
    The Librarian

    The Scorpion and The Frog

    "Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots ? Neither can you do good who are accustomed to doing evil " Jeremiah 13:23 You've no doubt read the old fable about the scorpion and the frog. It illustrates how man's nature is much more devious and controlling than is his logic. The fable says how,... " One day a scorpion arrived at the bank of a river he wanted to cross, but there was no bridge. He asked a frog that was sitting nearby if he would take him across the river on his back. The frog refused and said,... " I will not, because you will sting me " The scorpion replied,..." It would be foolish for me to sting you because then we would both drown " The frog saw the logic in the scorpion's words, and agreed to carry the scorpion across. But when they were halfway across the river the scorpion stung the frog. The stunned frog asked,..." Why did you sting me, now we will both die ! " The scorpion replied,... " Because I'm a scorpion … and that's what scorpions do " Sad to say some people today are more concerned about being " politically correct " than they are about being " Biblically correct ",... They change the name of sins to justify people's sinful behavior. They do this because they are more concerned about the approval of man than they are about the approval of Jehovah God. To Jehovah God, sin—all sin—is sin by whatever name we call it, and all sin is ultimately self-destructive regardless of how we seek to justify it. Furthermore, God's Word reminds us that no matter how good, how noble, how educated, how refined, or how sophisticated we may be, we are all sinners. Romans 3:23 Like the leopard that cannot change its spots neither can we change our nature. We are not sinners because we sin, but rather, we sin because we are sinners. That's our nature and that's why we need Jehovah God's salvation to save us from the eternal consequences of our sin—which is eternal separation from Jehovah God for all eternity.
  34. 3 points
    The only way to learn the truth about whether "global warming" is real ... and whether it is a naturally occurring phenomena that mankind can do NOTHING about, or is caused by human interaction with the environment, which may or may not be able to be stopped or reversed, is to YOU PERSONALLY educate yourself with the math, physics, chemistry, meteorology, and ocean sciences, and orbital mechanics, etc., ..... to be able to tell the difference between hoax, fraud, fake science, and religious hysteria and hallucination that this issue has become. And then sit down and draw sketches, accumulate data ... possibly completely wear out a scientific pocket calculator .... or two, and then correlate what you PERSONALLY know with astronomy, and other related sciences ... comparing the physics of other planets' atmospheric meteorology to see if conclusions by others make sense, or have any validity whatsoever. If you are not willing to YOU PERSONALLY do this ... and take a decade, or 20 years, or the rest of your life ... then your opinions will be based on FAITH .... NOT SCIENCE. FAITH in the opinions and conclusions of others .... the new global religion of "Man Caused Climate Change". Faith in the opinions and conclusions of others, where you have not PERSONALLY proved it yourself, is not TRUTH. Seek ONLY THE TRUTH. In science, and in religion, and in all things. However, although you will fail to get the correct answers ...... intellectual integrity can also be accomplished by not caring, to the point you do not believe anybody, about anything. ... and is a LOT less work.
  35. 3 points
    Anna

    "STANDING WHERE IT DOES NOT BELONG"

    Who told you this? But one thing doesn't seem believable, and that is actually replacing a jw.org flag. I cannot imagine there was a jw.org flag in the window. In fact why would the Chilean brothers have a flag, its usually just a plaque outside the KH.
  36. 3 points
    Well I got an answer from the brother with connections to Chile and elsewhere in South America, but it's very hard to believe. The answer is so odd that I hate to offer it yet as an explanation. So I also called about 12 different KH numbers, including an Assembly Hall number and the main number for Chile on JW.ORG (which matches the number on the "infamous" letterhead). I recorded the messages I got on each number. Some rang 'forever' and some had "no service" messages, and two had recorded messages after which I could have left a call-back number, but didn't. I am still going to have to call again next week, to attempt further verification. The friend I met with definitely knows about the Internet "hoopla." The son-in-law who was a Circuit Overseer there has come back to the USA more than once with his wife (my friend's daughter) due to a medical condition treated here. They have gone back, but each time to a different assignment, sometimes in different countries of South America. So I couldn't get an exact response about "a firsthand" experience with the topic in Chile since 2014. Neither of his daughters (or sons-in-law) are currently in Chile. So here was the answer that still needs more verification (mostly because I find it hard to believe). He stated it very matter-of-factly, and didn't seem to see a problem with it at all. Circuit Overseers are evidently told to strongly encourage the display of the flag on specific mandatory days ONLY in those areas where there have been past legal issues in the area regarding enforcement. Enforcement is not uniform, even though it applies to all buildings. Other circuit overseers have been told to strongly discourage the display of the flag on the premises of a KH, with certain exceptions regarding property ownership by individuals volunteering a property's free use as a KH. I asked about why he thought an inconsistent policy would be encouraged. His answer to that question was what really seemed more disconcerting: "Because if some congregations do and some don't, the government will see that this is a matter of conscience, and will realize that they [local JWs] aren't being ordered to handle the matter one way or another [based on a directive] from the [Watch Tower] Society." I didn't have the heart to point out that this is a strange way to prove that something is really a matter of conscience.
  37. 3 points
    And Abʹsa·lom would say to him: “See, your matters are good and straight; but there is no one from the king giving you a hearing.” And Abʹsa·lom would go on to say: “O that I were appointed judge in the land, that to me every man might come that happens to have a legal case or judgment! Then I should certainly do justice to him.”
  38. 3 points
    @The Witness / Pearl Doxsey - Why don't you just create your own club on here and preach your own version of Christianity? I get that you are relating many items back to JW's but you could do better in your own club rather than challenging every JW on here. 'You get more flies with honey" sort of thing....?
  39. 3 points
    RECHERCHONS DES PERLES SPIRITUELLES - SEMAINE DU 11 FEVRIER 2019 - ROMAINS 4-6.docx RECHERCHONS DES PERLES SPIRITUELLES - SEMAINE DU 11 FEVRIER 2019 - ROMAINS 4-6.pdf JOYAUX DE LA PAROLE DE DIEU Recherchons des perles spirituelles (8 min) : Romains 4-6 Romains 6:3-5 : Que signifie être baptisé « dans Christ Jésus » et « dans sa mort » ? (w08 15/6 29 § 7). « ou bien ne savez-vous pas que nous tous qui avons été baptisés dans Christ Jésus, nous avons été baptisés dans sa mort ? 4 Nous avons donc été enterrés avec lui par notre baptême dans sa mort, afin que, de même que Christ a été ressuscité par la gloire du Père, nous aussi nous menions une vie nouvelle. 5 Si nous nous sommes unis à lui dans la ressemblance de sa mort, à coup sûr nous serons aussi unis à lui dans la ressemblance de sa résurrection » Quand Jéhovah oint des disciples de Christ avec l’esprit saint, ceux-ci sont unis à Jésus et deviennent des membres de la congrégation, qui est le corps de Christ, dont lui-même est la Tête (1 Cor. 12:12, 13, 27 ; Col. 1:18). C’est leur baptême dans Christ Jésus. Les chrétiens oints sont aussi “ baptisés dans [l]a mort ” de Christ en ce sens que leur vie constitue un sacrifice et qu’ils renoncent à tout espoir de vie éternelle sur la terre. Leur mort a donc un caractère sacrificiel, comme celle de Jésus, même si elle n’a pas de valeur rédemptrice. Ce baptême dans la mort de Christ s’achève quand ils meurent et qu’ils sont ressuscités pour la vie au ciel. - w08 15/6 29 § 7 Romains 6:3, qui dit : “ Ne savez-vous pas que nous tous qui avons été baptisés dans Christ Jésus, nous avons été baptisés dans sa mort ? ” Ce verset ne laisse aucun doute : il n’est pas question d’un baptême auquel un chrétien se soumet en faveur de quelqu’un qui est déjà mort, mais plutôt de quelque chose qui a une incidence sur son propre avenir. C’est Jéhovah Dieu qui se charge de donner ce baptême dans Christ Jésus ainsi que le baptême dans sa mort. Il oignit Jésus, ce qui fit de lui le Christ ou Oint. Ainsi, Dieu baptisa Jésus avec l’esprit saint afin que, par Jésus, ses disciples puissent être par la suite baptisés avec de l’esprit saint. Par conséquent, ceux qui deviennent ses cohéritiers, qui ont l’espérance céleste, doivent être “ baptisés dans Christ Jésus ”, c’est-à-dire dans Jésus Oint, qui, au moment de son onction, fut aussi engendré pour être un fils spirituel de Dieu. Ils deviennent de cette manière unis à lui, leur Chef, et deviennent membres de la congrégation qui est le corps de Christ. L’objectif des disciples chrétiens qui sont baptisés dans Christ Jésus consiste à rester intègres dans l’épreuve à partir du moment où ils sont baptisés dans Christ ; ils affrontent chaque jour la mort pour finalement mourir intègres. Le baptême de ces chrétiens oints dans la mort de Christ s’achève quand, après être morts fidèles, ils sont ressuscités créatures spirituelles pour régner avec Christ au ciel - it-1 p266-267 Romains 6:7 : Pourquoi les ressuscités ne seront-ils pas jugés en fonction des péchés qu’ils auront commis avant leur mort ? (w14 1/6 11 § 1). « Car celui qui est mort a été acquitté de son péché ». Après leur résurrection, les injustes seront-ils jugés sur la base de leurs actions passées ? Non. Une fois morts, les injustes auront payé pour leurs péchés. Ils seront donc jugés sur la base de ce qu’ils feront après leur résurrection, et non de ce qu’ils auront fait quand ils étaient dans l’ignorance, avant de mourir. Comment pourront-ils mettre à profit leur nouvelle vie ? Les injustes ressuscités auront l’occasion de prendre connaissance des lois de Dieu, qui seront révélées à l’ouverture de rouleaux symboliques. Ils seront alors jugés « selon leurs actions », c’est-à-dire selon leur façon de réagir aux lois de Dieu (Révélation 20:12, 13). Pour bon nombre de ces injustes, ce sera, non une seconde chance, mais la première véritable occasion d’obtenir la vie éternelle sur terre en apprenant à connaître la volonté de Dieu et en l’accomplissant - w14 1/6 11 § 1 Les ressuscités seront jugés en fonction de ce qu’ils feront pendant le jour du jugement, et non sur la base de ce qu’ils auront fait avant leur résurrection. . Des “ rouleaux ” seront ouverts, et ce sont les actions que chacun accomplira après avoir pris connaissance de ces rouleaux qui détermineront si son nom sera écrit ou pas dans “ le rouleau de vie ”.Quand une personne meurt, elle ne continue pas à payer pour ses péchés. – TG2014 1/7 Les personnes qui sont mortes ont été acquittées — c’est-à-dire pardonnées — de leurs péchés. Après la mort, il n’y a pas d’autre punition pour les péchés. – wp2016/1 p16 Qu’est-ce que la lecture biblique de cette semaine t’a appris sur Jéhovah ? Comme Abraham, nous attendons que les promesses de Jéhovah se réalisent. Nous devons penser aux choses d’en haut. Sinon nous risquons de penser que ses promesses mettent trop de temps à se réaliser et nous prêcherons peut-être moins. Abraham a fait tout ce qu’il a pu pour Jéhovah. Et il pensait aux bienfaits que Jéhovah allait lui apporter. Il a eu foi en Jéhovah. C’est pour cela que Jéhovah a dit qu’il était son ami. (Romains 4:3) – ws2014 15/10 p22 §9 4:9-12. La foi d’Abraham lui a été comptée comme justice bien avant qu’il n’ait été circoncis, à l’âge de 99 ans. Dieu a ainsi montré de façon magistrale à quelle condition on peut être juste à ses yeux. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob et tous les fidèles serviteurs de Jéhovah qui sont morts ? « Ils sont tous vivants pour lui » (Luc 20:38). Jéhovah est le Dieu des vivants. Jéhovah est tellement certain de les ressusciter qu’il les considère comme vivants (Romains 4:16, 17). Il les gardera dans sa mémoire infinie jusqu’au moment où il a prévu de les ramener à la vie. Jéhovah est infiniment plus fort que la mort. La perspective de retrouver un être cher nous attire-t-elle ? Dans ce cas, souvenons-nous que Jéhovah est infiniment plus fort que la mort. Rien ne peut l’empêcher de réaliser sa promesse. – TG2013 1/ 2 p7 La foi d’Abraham était étroitement liée à son espérance. “ S’appuyant [...] sur l’espérance, il eut foi, pour qu’il devienne le père de beaucoup de nations. ” (Romains 4:18). C’est là un deuxième élément qui peut nous aider. Nous ne devrions jamais oublier que Jéhovah est “ celui qui récompense ceux qui le cherchent réellement ”. Si nous croyons vraiment à l’espérance chrétienne, toute notre vie sera, comme dans le cas d’Abraham, une démonstration de notre foi. – TG1999 1/1 §9 Quatre choses ont affermi la foi d’Abraham - Premièrement, il a démontré sa foi en Jéhovah en tenant compte de ce que Dieu lui disait. De nos jours, Jéhovah nous parle à travers la Bible, sa Parole inspirée Deuxièmement, sa foi était étroitement liée à son espérance (Romains 4:18). Nous ne devrions jamais oublier que Jéhovah est “ celui qui récompense ceux qui le cherchent réellement. Troisièmement, Abraham parlait souvent avec Jéhovah. Nous aussi nous pouvons parler avec Jéhovah en utilisant le don qu’est la prière par l’intermédiaire de Jésus Christ. Quatrièmement, Jéhovah soutenait Abraham quand ce dernier se laissait guider par Lui. Ces mêmes choses peuvent fortifier notre foi aujourd’hui. – TG1999 1/1 Paul a parlé d’Abraham, d’un homme de foi qui a vécu avant que Jéhovah ne donne la Loi à Israël et bien avant que Jésus ne meure pour nos péchés. Jéhovah a pourtant noté la foi remarquable d’Abraham et il l’a considéré comme juste (Romains 4:20-22). Pareillement aujourd’hui, Jéhovah peut considérer comme justes les chrétiens qui manifestent la foi et nourrissent l’espérance de vivre éternellement sur la terre. – TG2016/12 p13 §3 Les humbles ne peuvent connaître Jéhovah et devenir ses intimes que par l’intermédiaire de Jésus. C’est seulement grâce à Jésus que Jéhovah permet aux gens modestes d’être ses amis. Les humains étaient tous esclaves du péché. Comment les Écritures soulignent-elles cette vérité ? Paul a écrit : « Dieu nous recommande son propre amour en ce que — alors que nous étions encore pécheurs — Christ est mort pour nous » (Rom. 5:6-8). Jéhovah a fourni le sacrifice rédempteur de Jésus, non parce que les humains en sont dignes, mais parce qu’il les aime. – ws2014 15/8 p15 §9 Dieu nous a « aimés le premier ». Comment ? L’apôtre Paul répond : « Dieu nous recommande son propre amour en ce que — alors que nous étions encore pécheurs — Christ est mort pour nous » (Rom. 5:8). Par ce sacrifice remarquable, le sacrifice de son propre fils comme rançon en faveur des humains croyants, Jéhovah a démontré la véritable nature de l’amour. L’amour s’exprime en donnant et en agissant de manière désintéressée, ou avec abnégation. Grâce à cet acte extrêmement généreux, nous avons la possibilité d’aller vers Dieu pour bénéficier de son amour et, en retour, de lui montrer le nôtre TG2015 15/9 p23§2 La réconciliation rendue possible. Le péché crée une séparation entre Dieu et l’homme, car Jéhovah condamne le péché. Pour que le fossé entre l’homme et son Créateur puisse être comblé, il fallait donc que le péché soit réellement couvert. Mais Jéhovah Dieu a rendu possible la réconciliation entre lui et les humains pécheurs grâce à l’homme parfait Jésus Christ. Ainsi, l’apôtre Paul écrivit : “ Nous nous glorifions aussi en Dieu par notre Seigneur Jésus Christ, grâce à qui nous avons maintenant reçu la réconciliation. ” (Romains 5:11). Pour obtenir la faveur de Jéhovah, il faut accepter la réconciliation que Dieu offre par l’intermédiaire de Jésus Christ. Ce n’est que par ce moyen qu’il est possible d’accéder à la condition qui fut celle d’Adam avant qu’il ne pèche. Dieu révéla tout son amour en rendant cette réconciliation possible. Romains 5:6-10. - it-2 p679 Pourquoi Jéhovah peut traiter avec des humains imparfaits. Les normes de justice de Jéhovah lui permirent d’agir différemment avec les enfants d’Adam et Ève qu’avec Adam et Ève eux-mêmes. Pourquoi cela ? Ayant hérité du péché, c’est involontairement qu’ils viennent au monde créatures imparfaites, naturellement enclines au mal (Romains 5:12). Jéhovah avait donc une raison d’être miséricordieux envers eux - it-1 p1263 Comment pouvons-nous « saisir fermement la vie véritable » ? Nous devons mettre en pratique ce que nous apprenons dans la Bible. Mais ce n’est pas grâce à nos efforts que nous obtiendrons la vie véritable. Nous ne pouvons pas gagner la vie éternelle. C’est un cadeau de Jéhovah, une « faveur imméritée » (Romains 5:15). Notre Père céleste veut vraiment offrir ce cadeau à ses serviteurs. – bhs chap19 §22 C’est Jéhovah qui nous a donné un corps et la vie. Nous devons donc les utiliser comme il le veut. Nous devons prendre soin de notre corps. Sinon, aux yeux de Dieu, nous serons impurs (Romains 6:19). Nous ne pouvons pas adorer Jéhovah, qui nous a donné la vie, si, pour nous, la vie n’est pas précieuse. Ce sera peut-être très difficile d’abandonner de mauvaises habitudes. Mais si, parce que nous respectons la vie, nous faisons des efforts pour y arriver, Jéhovah nous aidera. – bhs chap13 §7 Quelles autres perles spirituelles as-tu découvertes dans la lecture biblique de cette semaine ? Qu’est-ce qui a aidé Abraham et Sara à rester fidèle à Jéhovah et à conserver leur joie ? Dans ses vieux jours, Abraham, qui croyait aux promesses divines, « devint puissant par sa foi » (Rom. 4:19, 20). Nous aussi, nous devons avoir une foi forte. Une telle foi ne dépend pas de notre âge, de nos aptitudes ou de notre situation. Nous renforçons notre foi en priant, en examinant la Parole de Dieu et en assistant aux réunions chrétiennes. – TG2015 15/7 p12 Quand nous prêchons, nous ressentons une paix durable parce que nous savons que nous faisons plaisir à Jéhovah et à Jésus, et cette paix nous aide à faire preuve d’endurance dans la prédication (Rom. 5:3, 4) – TG2018 P Mai p17 §15 Pour contrebalancer le péché d’Adam, il fallait que Jésus meure, non en enfant parfait, mais en homme parfait. N’oublions pas en effet qu’Adam avait péché volontairement, totalement conscient de la gravité et des conséquences de son acte. Pour que Jésus devienne “ le dernier Adam ” et couvre ce péché, il était nécessaire que sa fidélité à Jéhovah soit le fruit d’une décision mûre et consciente. L’ensemble de sa vie fidèle, achevée par sa mort sacrificielle, a ainsi constitué “ un seul acte de justification ”. Romains 5:18, 19. – cl p145 En quel sens Jésus est-il “ celui qui seul a l’immortalité ” ? - Le premier dont la Bible dit qu’il a reçu le don de l’immortalité est Jésus Christ. Les paroles inspirées de l’apôtre Paul en Romains 6:9 révèlent que Jésus ne possédait pas l’immortalité avant d’être ressuscité par Dieu. On lit : “ Christ, maintenant qu’il a été relevé d’entre les morts, ne meurt plus ; la mort ne domine plus sur lui. ”C’est pourquoi, lorsque 1 Timothée 6:15, 16 présente Jésus comme “ le Roi de ceux qui règnent et le Seigneur de ceux qui dominent ”, cela signifie qu’il se distingue de tous les autres rois et seigneurs en ce qu’il est “ celui qui seul a l’immortalité ”. En effet, les autres rois et seigneurs meurent puisqu’ils sont mortels, comme moururent aussi les grands prêtres d’Israël. En revanche, Jésus glorifié, établi par Dieu Grand Prêtre à la manière de Melkisédeck, a “ une vie indestructible ”. Hé 7:15-17, 23-25. Ici, le mot “ indestructible ” traduit le terme grec akatalutos, qui signifie littéralement “ indissoluble ” La vie immortelle que Jésus reçut à sa résurrection n’est pas seulement une vie sans fin : elle est à l’abri de toute détérioration ou dissolution, à l’abri de toute destruction - it-1 p1175
  40. 3 points
    JOHN BUTLER

    JW.ORG Defines Lap Dancing

    Sorry i find some of this funny, but of course it isn't funny from God's viewpoint. Any true Christian, well in my opinion, would not even enter such a place of 'entertainment'. But then I don't even drink alcohol and never go into pubs / bars, as i see no need for any on it.
  41. 3 points
    Witness

    Gerrit Lösch

    Gerrit Losch: "I do not direct and have never directed..." Wikipedia: Following a leadership dispute in the Bible Student movement, the Watch Tower Society remained associated with the branch of the movement that became known as Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1955, the corporation was renamed Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. In 1976, all activities of the Watch Tower Society were brought under the supervision of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1976, direction of the Watch Tower Society and of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide came under the control of the Governing Body, reducing the power of the society's president. The society has described the change as "one of the most significant organizational readjustments in the modern-day history of Jehovah's Witnesses." Following the death of Knorr in 1977, subsequent presidents of the Watch Tower Society have been Frederick W. Franz (June 1977 – December 1992); Milton G. Henschel (December 1992 – October 2000), Don A. Adams (October 2000 – 2014) and Robert Ciranko (incumbent). Adams and Ciranko are considered "helpers" to the Governing Body, which retains authority over the corporations. "Keep Holding Men of That Sort Dear". The Watchtower. 15 October 2015. p. 3. The Governing Body members make the final decisions, but the helpers implement the committee's direction and carry out whatever assignments they are given. The helpers accompany Governing Body members to special and international conventions. They may also be assigned to visit branch offices as headquarters representatives. ... Helpers to Governing Body Committees ... Publishing Committee—Don Adams ... Writing Committee—Robert Ciranko... Sounds like Mr. Losch is just plain lying.
  42. 3 points
    I agree with you, there is NOTHING Christ-like about allowing CSA or any abuse to continue because the "laws" of men don't require reporting it to the police. Can you even imagine, when the time comes, and Jesus is standing there asking each and every one of us about our life choices. When He asks, are some people really going to say "well, there wasn't a law stating we had to report CSA/abuse to proper authorities" Romans 14:10"...For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess[b] to God.” 12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God."
  43. 3 points
    “I was hanging in the suana with Fred thumbing a soggy copy of Ray’s book that Dan had squirreled out of the safe, hoping Albert wouldn’t go off on some spiel on UFOs or whatever, and that he would postpone his latest jetting around the globe gig, where he always made me ride baggage class, when...” uh oh, I’m not that sufficiently gets the job done.
  44. 3 points
    If Christ, who is one in Spirit with the Father (John 17:22), did not know who would betray him when choosing the 12 apostles, then how does the uninspired GB know they are the "faithful and discreet slave"? Luke 3:8; Matt 7:16
  45. 3 points
    I should mention that these comments I had made were never made to defend R.Franz. In fact, as I recall, these comments were made under a different topic, and someone apparently moved them here because I happened to mention R.Franz in my response. But back to your question that starts out with the words, "So if Raymond was a proven liar." I'm not sure what you are referring to. I've never heard anyone claim that R.Franz was a proven liar. If anyone ever said that, I'd be very interested in what they were referring to. It might be very useful to point to something inaccurate* in his book. I'm sure the average Witness who never knew him could easily get the idea he was "liar," but I have never heard anyone who knew him at Bethel ever say that anything in his book was inaccurate. Quite the opposite in fact. [I found a couple inaccuracies, by the way, such as when in CoC, he mentioned that the Pope and bishops can speak as if they are "infallible" in the minds of Catholics. He should not have said "and bishops" unless he was referring only to previous "bishops of Rome," which are the popes.] And by the way, R.Franz was an apostate. So if there was even one inaccuracy in any of his books, don't you think the Watchtower Society, or someone at least, should have pointed it out? What he exposed caused a lot of controversy. Pointing out even one inaccuracy would have helped quell the controversy and defend the Society. But the problem, as best as I can see it, was not that he said anything untrue, but that his motive was to expose the human side of the organization and its decisions. It was to show how the Governing Body worked together at that time, and examples of how decisions and changes were made. And it showed its very human side, with its faults, mistakes, and interactions of personality. If you worked inside Bethel at that time and worked closely with several of the people he speaks about, you'd already know that his descriptions made perfect sense as they matched everything you could know about these persons. What none of us could know about, however, was what it was like inside any of those meetings of the Governing Body. And it turns out that it, if he is correct in his descriptions, then this is exactly what we would have expected anyway, knowing the personalities of these brothers as we saw and heard them acting and speaking on a daily basis. He speaks very kindly and respectfully of many of them. You can tell they were friends, just as you already knew if you were at Bethel at this time. But it becomes easy to understand how key decisions could be delayed or swayed by more outspoken and stronger personalities on the GB. I don't know what you might mean here. No accounts were ever challenged, as far as I know. At least not by anyone who knew him. Especially not by Fred Franz, who knew him very well. If you have evidence to the contrary you should share it, especially because, as Witnesses, we don't want to be known for making false accusations. Not at all. I just share what I know and what I think. And you can share what you know and what you think. That's how we learn. That's how forums such as this work. I would never want someone to trust my words and my words only.
  46. 3 points
    Oops. If they expect obedience from their anointed “brothers”, they certainly have “substituted” themselves for Christ, robbing the lowly insignificant anointed of their ability to listen only to Christ. The GB have made it very clear by their Bible translation, using the word "substitute" twice, for emphasis. NWT 2 Cor 5:20 Since they claim to be the only "faithful and discreet slave", who other than themselves can "substitute" for Christ? Matt 24:48-51 In reality, no one. No one can substitute as the Head of the anointed Body of Christ. Another oops. Their false “priesthood”, the elder body, do just that. Haven't you heard of a "judicial committee"? They have the power to kick someone out as a sinner, and feel qualified to discern that God has forgiven a sinner, to allow them back in the congregation. Where have you been?
  47. 3 points
    The relevant portion is translated through bing as follows. I don't speak Russian, but can just about read it phonetically. After letting Bing and then Google translate, Google did a very good job overall, but this one portion appears to be better in Bing, but only for this one particular sentence that I've marked in red below. ------------------ V. Putin: Thank you. With regard to the first of your stories about this African students got to see, of course, nonsense kakaja‑to. From what you are telling, it's just kakaja‑to nonsense. And, of course, need to do what you suggest, to analyze the enforcement practice. And, if necessary, make adjustments to the kakie‑to. B. Ryakhovskiy: For this girl to me now turned to the European Court of Justice, I have continued to ... Putin: I don't know what denomination it belongs, she is Christian, but there are also a lot of directions. Jehovah's witnesses, too, Christians are being persecuted, I also do not really understand. So we just need to analyze, it is necessary to do so. I will talk with Vyacheslav Mikhailovich, and try to do it. The Russian language original is 95% down into the page that @Outta Here provided above. В.Ряховский: По этой девушке ко мне сейчас обратились, для того чтобы я продолжал в Европейский Суд… В.Путин: Я не знаю, к какой конфессии она принадлежит, она христианка, но там тоже много направлений. Свидетели Иеговы тоже христиане, за что их преследовать, я тоже не очень понимаю. Поэтому надо просто проанализировать, надо это сделать. Я переговорю с Вячеславом Михайловичем, и попробуем это сделать. The key word here is преследовать, which oddly enough can mean basically "chase" and therefore it can mean both prosecute and persecute. Formally you should to add a phrase that means "judicially" or "by trial" (i.e. преследовать + в судебном порядке, or преследовать + по суду ) and it means prosecute. Without these additions, I think it really should mean persecute, especially if used with a religion or minority in the context. Therefore, it SHOULD mean persecute here, but I suspect this translation could legally be challenged as just a less formal way of meaning "prosecute." In fact, if you just go to translate.bing.com and type in преследовать, you will get the following, which includes both prosecute and persecute without the formal additions: Translations of "преследовать" VERB haunt преследовать, логово, мучить, обитать pursue преследовать, проводить, осуществлять, добиваться, стремиться, следуем chase чейз, погони, преследовать, преследование, догнать, гоняться, гоньбы prosecute преследовать, судебного преследования, обвинить, наказывать, уголовное преследование, сажать, осудить persecute преследовать harass преследовать, беспокоить, изводить, домогаться, докучать, запугивания stalk стебель, преследовать, ножке, черенок, плодоножки, стеблю, палочка obsessing преследовать, одержимы, увлеченно © 2018 Microsoft ------------------ For reference, I have also added Google's translation of larger portions of the context below. Both for the original question about JWs, and the context of the later discussion where Putin evidently brings up JWs on his own, even if the particular case (of the African med student "missionary" studying in Russia) was not a JW: -----------the rest of this post is Google's translation of excerpts from the link that Outta Here provided: ---------- There is also a list, for example, of organizations that also have information that they are involved in extremism and terrorism. There are 489 of them, 404 of them are Jehovah's Witnesses. I will make here an ominous pause. Many, perhaps, there are claims to Jehovah's Witnesses - they don’t transfuse blood, don’t send children to the hospital - but they certainly don’t call for violence and don’t carry it out. So 404 of 489 - this is it. That’s how many terrorist organizations we have in the Russian Federation. Thus, I would like to express the hope that the anti-extremist legislation will, let's say, be moderated in accordance with the requirements of society and in accordance with the real level of crime. Because everyone has more or less understood that these searches for pictures on social networks and the initiation of cases on this issue - this does not contribute to strengthening anything, it does not correspond to any state interests, it does not prevent any terrorist acts. As we can see, when, unfortunately, this kind of thing happens, these are people who did not follow these lists, who did not come into the view of law enforcement agencies, because, of course, they do not post pictures on VKontakte, they do not communicate among themselves in open communities. They coordinate their actions completely differently. Thank. V.Putin: Thank you very much. Ekaterina Mikhailovna, I am very pleased that the questions, rather sharp questions, were raised precisely by you - an employee of the Institute of Social Sciences under the President of the Russian Federation. E.Shulman: Yes, I am now twice under the President of the Russian Federation, both at the place of work and in social activities. V.Putin: See, everything is the same. And they require careful consideration, all the questions you raised. Regarding Jehovah's Witnesses. Probably, we can, and even should at some point, be much more liberal to representatives of various religious sects, but we should not forget that our society does not consist solely of religious sects. 90 percent of the citizens of the Russian Federation, or so, consider themselves Orthodox Christians. We have three more practically traditional our religions, which the state provides assistance. We should treat the representatives of all religions in the same way - this is true, but nevertheless it is also necessary to take into account the country and the society in which we live. True, this does not mean at all that we should include representatives of religious communities in some destructive ones, not even in terrorist organizations. Of course, this is complete nonsense, you need to carefully deal with it, here I agree with you. You always return me to the case of Ponomarev, he is probably a truly respected person. But the judge, when he made the decision, do you think I knew that he was making the decision? Of course not. But when a judge makes such decisions, he does not proceed from merit or from something else. If it were a simple citizen who few people know, even the question would not be raised. The law is the same for everyone. To close relatives could be released at parting, at the funeral, there is no other case in the law. The judge is guided by these direct instructions of the text of the law itself, that's all. There is nothing like that, there is no ambush here, there is no political motive. About unauthorized rallies. Let's still come back to this and see. You yourself mentioned, said about Paris. See, there are victims already affected. The fight is mainly in the center of the capital, and a state of emergency has been declared because of this. How many pogroms there are, burnt cars, shops, the losses are not only in the state, but also in people who have nothing to do with the state, they are enormous. And all this time - like a match, and everything started. This does not mean at all that we should not analyze our own life and not look after the law that is in place in our country. But still, we must understand the world we live in. Liberal approach to an unauthorized rally. The hard answer from the state what? Water cannons, gas, batons, hundreds of delays - hundreds, can you imagine? Don't we know that? More recently, there have been heavy events in which the Constitution of the Russian Federation was adopted in force, in conditions of growing civil war, in fact, civil war! Crowds of people with weapons ran across Moscow, stormed the Ostankino, crawled along some kind of underground facilities, communications. Regular units of the Russian army were brought into Moscow, internal troops were involved, and they still fired at each other, not understanding what was happening. Chaos! Carefully need to treat this very. Although, of course, it is necessary to analyze the conditions in which we live and the rules that govern our life, including its side, which you mentioned. Please, I beg you. ---------------- skipping to the area near the end where Putin brings up JWs on his own--------------- If the damage was mitigated, repaid, and the antisocial act is not so serious there. A.Sokurov: It is the New Year and Christmas amnesty. Vladimir Putin: Let's think, we have Christmas every year. We must carefully approach this. It is necessary to finish already. I promised, otherwise I will work until three in the morning. Here it is, that's all. Please, I beg you. V. Ryakhovsky: Vladimir Vladimirovich, thank you very much. To be honest, this is the first time in six years, the turn has reached me. I have two questions, I will try to short, saving time. In July 2016, a federal law was passed under the title “On the adoption of additional measures to counter terrorism”, the so-called “Spring Act” among the people. This law amended the law on freedom of conscience. The Law on Freedom of Conscience was supplemented by a chapter on missionary activity. The definition of missionary activity is given, the procedure for its conduct is established, to the extent that, in order for a person to speak about his convictions, he must be delegated by a religious organization and have a standard document. The Code of Administrative Offenses introduced Article 5.26 on establishing liability. A year and a half has passed, and I would very much like to ask the initiators of this law: has the goal, which was set by the authors, been achieved? According to this law, at least one extremist was held accountable? Nevertheless, law enforcement agencies initiated and brought to court more than 600 administrative cases involving representatives of various religious denominations, with the possible exception of one - the most widespread. These things are as unbelievable as imagination can probably be. Here is just one vivid example: Nizhny Novgorod, a student, a citizen of an African country, a sixth-year student at a medical university, is a little more than a month from state examinations. She gives an interview to one of the Internet channels, talks about herself, about her family, about her childhood, about how she has been a believer since childhood, a Christian, and in Russia she also comes to church, and all this helps her in her studies . Two administrative cases are brought against her. The first is for violating the rules of missionary activity, she is fined, the second is for violating the goals of staying in the Russian Federation. She arrived on a missionary visa, and here she says something about her convictions. And she is appointed in the second case a fine and expulsion from the Russian Federation. Fortunately, the appellate station probably had enough intelligence: they didn’t cancel these decrees, but they postponed her expulsion until they received the diploma, in just a few months. Interestingly, the basis of these cases was the expert opinion, which saw in this video hidden appeals, hidden missionary activity. That is, you understand what's the matter? Hidden. There are no obvious signs of missionary activity. And why are they not? Yes, because it is hidden, and because of this, she was brought to justice. I can bring a lot of such things, because this is part of my professional interests. The Constitution has a stable notion: when the freedom of conscience is revealed, it is said about the right to impart one’s beliefs. This measure, this rule of law appears, to put it mildly, simply manifestly excessive, it does not contribute to the harmonization of interfaith relations, but, on the contrary, leads to imbalance and violation of the constitutional rights of citizens. Therefore, Vladimir Vladimirovich, we kindly ask you to instruct the Supreme Court to simply summarize the practice. And then there are so many accumulated of these cases that you can just draw caricatures. It just comes to ridiculous! I just brought one thing, but in fact there are a lot of them. And to raise the question of generalizing this practice on 5.26 with respect to religious organizations, and in general, probably, raise the question of the expediency, to what extent is such regulation justified. There is the concept of "spreading religious beliefs." Why else to introduce the concept of "missionary activity"? The second question is completely irrelevant to this. Literally the day before, I had a meeting with several businessmen who responded to your May invitation to return to the Russian Federation after the years of emigration on the so-called Titov list. And indeed, it was precisely by believing your word and not doubting your innocence, because those behind whom there was something, I think, would not even come at your invitation. And the fact that several people have already returned to their homeland in the hope that, while at home, they will be able to recover and protect their good name. And one of the first defendants in the so-called Titov list, who returned to Russia after 13 years of forced emigration in London, became a businessman from Yekaterinburg Sergey Kapchuk. I met him. You should have seen his eyes after he arrived. Just burning, shining - he came home, he came, believing your call and believing that here is true today, unlike those years when he left, justice. But, alas, he encountered today the same methods of investigation from which he had once escaped. He was automatically charged since 2005. After reading the materials of the case, as he explained to me, the corruption scheme in the government of the Sverdlovsk region, in which it was used, simply became clear. They filed applications for the interrogation of specific people, heads of individual industries, confrontations - all of this consequence closes his eyes today, and, as we understood, is ready to bring the case to court, to hang up some conditional or slightly lax sentence, order to forget this thing. But he did not come for this. He did not come to be given a conditional sentence, not to be released under an amnesty, but to prove that he was innocent. Therefore, Vladimir Vladimirovich, kindly requested. The first is to give the General Prosecutor's Office to take over the cases of Sergei Kapchuk, and similar cases for the people who came, returned to Russia, to take control. And to you, of course, such a request, to still follow the fate of these people not until they returned, but in general, before the completion of their work. This case has a public outcry today. Why? Because others, those who still remain abroad today, they are closely watching the result of this business. This will be an example for them, as an urge to return to Russia too. And, fulfilling the request of Kapchuk, I just wanted to give you a short appeal from him. Thank you very much. V.Putin: Thank you. As for your first story about this African student, you need to look, of course, some sort of nonsense. From what you tell, it's just some kind of nonsense. And you need, of course, to do what you propose - to conduct an analysis of law enforcement practice. And if necessary, make some adjustments. V.Ryakhovsky: According to this girl, they now appealed to me, so that I would continue to the European Court ... V.Putin: I don’t know to which confession she belongs, she is Christian, but there are also many directions. Jehovah's Witnesses are also Christians, for which I do not really understand how to persecute them. Therefore, you just need to analyze, you need to do it. I will talk with Vyacheslav Mikhailovich, and try to do it. K. Kabanov: Thank you, Vladimir Vladimirovich. Dear Colleagues! You know, I actually, probably, in my 14 years of work, every time I hear that we have two problems: law enforcement agencies and bad laws. In fact, in the framework of the instructions you gave last time, Vladimir Vladimirovich, we dealt with the history of the criminalization of the teenage environment. But, as we were taught at previous duty stations, we must look deep into, look, study . . . .
  48. 3 points
    The witnesses have the right to fight for their rights. I would be very disappointed if witnesses decided not to put up a fight if any government try to make them pay for taxes when other religious group are not. We call that discrimination. You are saying because witnesses claimed to be God’s people it is ok for them to let others treat them unfairly in the name of Jesus and Jehovah. It is the law in many western countries religious organizations are exempt from taxes. it is like you are saying, the government is giving families a tax break because you are a witness you will not take it for whatever your reasons are. This is a nonsensical subject. They are other things you can criticize the watchtower organization for, this is not one of them. This is an an idiotic subject, you are telling a group of people to let themselves be treated unfairly and be discriminated just in the name of God. What kind of God will be ok with that?
  49. 3 points
    The Russian government were covering up their atrocities - this is why it is so hard to determine how many really died. Even if people are wicked - they still try to cover up what they are doing because somehow they know it is wrong.... Do not be misled...... this kind of power in the hands of few together with the philosophy that the death of few is for the greater good - is satanic. This new world order speech looks similar.... this is why it is much more insidious than we expect. The far left youth in America is talking this way. Because I am vigilant I notice it immediately. Have you seen what Ms Cortez has been saying? This is an indication of the thought of the new generation. Use it but do not trust Wiki - the pedia. It is edited by scholars who come from these universities which are pushing the gender engineering agenda. I have seen history rewritten when the agenda changes. A good example is UNESCO - see how they are rewriting history to suit their agenda. In South Africa, the history has also been rewritten. I lived it - I know what is true and false. Similarly, the scholars at all major universities are saying there is a wonderful religion of "peace". Hence, all the killers who are committing a real genocide in North Africa and middle east against Christians (large percentages of Christians are not getting refugee status and are being killed - but nothing in the news about a genocide) are called isolated cases by people who are mentally ill. I know the religion and the history (I did my homework) .....I 'know' the university scholars are rewriting the 1400 years of war history. ( Note: I hate the religious ideology of this religion - not the people...... I love the people but feel extremely sad to see them exploited by a bad mental state and the lies they are indoctrinated with). Fortunately there are the odd few who become JW but they all have a terrible time from family and a lot of suffering. I live in a socialist Europe and I see how and when socialism works..... Communism is much different - it is extreme socialism - you do not want to live under it. There is a trend now to whitewash the history of communism. Why? It is underestimated by the West and it is getting a better reputation...... Why? So despite the death tolls - this philosophy is back in another, more acceptable form.......And it was carefully engineered back! Perestroika was a short aberration. The Frankfort school left Germany (
      Hello guest!
    ) and came to USA during the second world war. Its ideas were taken up by the French and changed to the new post modern way of thinking. This new way of thinking is "rebranded" communism but much more dangerous......the French revolution and the Russian revolution comes to mind. The second phase of both revolutions killed many people. Why is this new philosophy so appealing to all students, colors of people and genders? It promises total equality, dignity and acceptance. Why are they so militant about it? It teaches that social revolution is good for the greater good of all. Communalism (the new philosophy of Agenda 21) fits in with this like a glove. This philosophy has been undermining the west since the sexual revolution of the sixties. I know this is not going to work. They will call 'peace' when they get the major part of the agenda done.... and then bring in the morals that all will have to adhere to - ONE human religion which accepts all creeds and all religions (and morals) and one may not protest it. If you do not cooperate and preach your own religion - big problems for you!! With surveillance capabilities now available and already in operation - there is nothing they cannot do. This is how I see this unfolding...... Bible prophecy being fulfilled - exactly to the letter. When one watches TV and sees the indoctrinated youth then one gets an idea what is lying ahead. These riots in France started with the elderly and spread to others as they are sick of the social injustices of the governments who are only telling the news they are filtering. Rapes, no-go zones, attacks, daily mentally sick people are killing others with knives... People are already afraid of the future and the new citizens have all the rights. No matter how much they protest - behind the scenes the plan is going ahead as governments have committed to the agenda (Agenda 2030 is on internet too!) and the new migration compact which guarantees the rights of immigrants at financial expense and the rights of its citizens. (godly justice? - I call it human justice.....) This is my take on the events happening. I could be wrong.... but I am not taken in by this new diabolical philosophy. I believe that all people will be equal under Jehovah - but it is a loving and willing process...... not forced on people. It is a willingness to share at expense of self and yes - it will be a form of communalism - but loyalty to Jehovah and is principals will make people cooperate unselfishly to get the earth back to its previous condition. No-one will tell others what to do. The elders will be facilitators, inform and ask us to cooperate. explain the reasons. Unselfish love is no part of any human philosophy - only in the teachings of Christ. (So this Agenda 21 sounds wonderful! it will not meet Jehovah's standards and will bring the great tribulation.) The 144000 will oversee from heaven but society here will be like loving sheep - no nasty qualities. Cooperation will be there in loving way. This is the way of Jehovah. (by the way - this is why I do not buy the story that the real anointed are outside the congregation now)..... The real anointed are going to heaven and elders are now being trained to take their place. The 144000 do not need important places in the congregations right now. They share in a precious heritage - but their focus should now be on preaching not ruling/teaching the congregation as individuals. We do not need human rulers...... this is the message throughout the bible. Jehovah and Christ are our rulers - with the understanding of the previously imperfect 144,000 in heaven. Each person will have self-control and correct themselves according to Jehovah's laws. Their happiness at receiving "life" during the 1000 years will be their most cherished gift.
  50. 3 points
    Outta Here

    Watch your children. (JW Fork)

    This is the ideal procedure. I have never been able to think of an alternative.




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