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    Kosonen, thanks for your efforts in searching for WT quotes and presentation of same materials! This reveals how GB operates. "Blind" people have one more chance to see The Real Truth.
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    Not really. The police also monitor a sexual predator that has been released from prison. How do you think the police do it? Do you think they are with the person 24 hours a day 7 days a week? Of course not. There are various degrees of how a person can be monitored. Prison is the best way. The other ways depend on the reasonable ability of the ones doing the monitoring. For example the elders will be alert to anything going on in the congregation or congregation activities. But they will not sit inside his house, or go shopping with him. Neither will the police.
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    See my comment to John about the same question. Is it enough? I don't know. What I do know is that the goal is to protect children. As you say, there may be laws on what you can and cannot do. But regardless, I am sure you will agree, no one wants children to be harmed. What I do know is that if a perpetrator moves to another congregation, their record card is sent to the new congregation, and all those details will be on that record card.
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    Actually, I condemn the action (or inaction) of every single last one of you who hide the facts of child abuse from the relevant authorities. I don't differentiate on the basis of any perceived status in or out of any organisation. You are all in the same bag to me.
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    16 Not all who have the heavenly hope are part of “the faithful and discreet slave.” (From the same 2016 Watchtower as quoted above by Kosonen) Who has the right to say this ? Who has the right to put that in print ? Note is does not say 'those that might think they have the heavenly hope'. It actually says Not all who have the heavenly hope ... The GB of the JW org approve of this being written and used at meetings of JW's. So the GB themselves are judging the other MEMBERS OF THE BODY OF CHRIST'S BRIDE. The GB are judging those of the 144,000 chosen ones. Has God or Jesus Christ given the GB the right to do the judging ? I would not think so.
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    Look here for example how the GB wants that local anointed would be treated. You are not even allowed to ask the anointed about their anointing!!! I guess you could get disfellowshipped for that? How crazy is not that? And paragraph 11 insinuates that the local anointed could well be "false brothers" and imposters. GB just says that to make sure you don't trust your local anointed. That is wicked! Now the GB really discourages to do anything specially for the local anointed. Just the opposite what Jesus told. I wonder how many Jehovah's witnesses will continue that fatal course until the end? Here are the recent instructions from GB:
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    10 How can we show appropriate respect for those whom Jehovah chooses to anoint? We would not ask them personal questions about their anointing. We thus avoid meddling with what does not concern us. (1 Thess. 4:11; 2 Thess. 3:11) We should not assume that the parents, spouse, or other relatives of one of the anointed would also be anointed. Genetics or marriage play no part in the process. (1 Thess. 2:12) We should also resist the urge to quiz spouses of anointed ones about how they feel knowing that they will live without their mate in the future earthly Paradise. Rather than raise questions that may cause pain, all of us can have full confidence that Jehovah will open his hand and “satisfy the desire of every living thing.”—Ps. 145:16. 11. How do we protect ourselves if we avoid “admiring personalities”? 11 Those who treat anointed Christians in a proper manner protect themselves from an insidious danger. The Scriptures tell us that “false brothers” can slip into the congregation. (Gal. 2:4, 5; 1 John 2:19) These impostors may even claim to be anointed. In addition, some anointed Christians might fall away from the faith. (Matt. 25:10-12;2 Pet. 2:20, 21) If we avoid the trap of “admiring personalities,” we will not be drawn away from the truth by such ones; nor will our faith suffer a crippling blow if a prominent or long-serving Christian becomes unfaithful.—Jude 16, ftn.
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    This is a quote from the original poster who subsequently asks for the opinion of others.. The opinion of others can only be Yes, No, or Maybe. As this is a UK issue, there is a moral, not legal, duty, for an informed third party to report such matters to a suitable authority. In view of the intimate knowledge this alleger claims to have, the option was suggested that they discuss the matter anonymously with Childline on a Freephone number 0800 1111. What is particularly odious about the whole exchange is that the party in question is vociferously complaining and making allegations about others who, in their opinion, "cover up" such cases. Consider: An allegation has been made.The accuser has given their opinion as above. Others have expressed their varied opinions. An option that would report the matter to a suitable authority, anonymously, has been given. Yet the alleger continues to dither, continues to accuse others of the same moral hypocrisy. The alleged potential for further harm remains. This person, regardless of status, is appearing to behave like an active part of the problem they are continually complaining about. Why is there even a discussion on the matter?
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    This makes me laugh, making excuses why or not a child molester or a sexual crime should or shouldnt be expose to the authorities or the congregation to safe guard others..... oh well.... 😆🤣😂
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    That’s good you understand that God can do whatever he wants with those he has instructed. If he decides to give new light, then new light it is. But it appears your still confused about the wicked slave, not class. But, take it up with Witness, not me. 😉 If you understand that, then it shouldn’t be difficult to understand Luke. The Faithful or the Unfaithful Slave (Lk 12:41–48) 45 “Who then is the faithful and wise slave, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give the other slaves their allowance of food at the proper time? 46 Blessed is that slave whom his master will find at work when he arrives. The Holy Bible: New Revised Standard Version. 1989.
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    About an hour ago I messaged the local police by private messenger system to ask if they have a private email address for me to give them the details that I have. The messenger system is too difficult to send a large message on and an email I could save a copy for myself for my reference. This local police force covers the town in which i live and the town where the congregation is. When / if I receive a reply i will give them all the details i have. By doing it via email I will be able to word it carefully so that I do not accuse the young man, but just give the facts as they were given to me... Then if this young man does something wrong, the police will at least have reference to him. It really is a great shame that i do not have the victims name of details, as I am more concerned for her welfare. Hopefully if the police investigate, they will get full details if indeed the accusation actually took place. I know it's wrong of me to judge anyone, especially in such a serious situation. So I will give the police details as to me leaving the JW Org and as to why they may not wish to believe me. That way I feel i would be giving them a balanced viewpoint. Hopefully they will contact me this evening. 7.30 pm now.
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    For secular police not, you are right. But for inside "Police", victims must have two witnesses. No change, no progress. This is not good, because Bible told us about examples where you do not need two witness for making "justified" allegation/accusation. Srecko, it is still irrelevant. It does not matter. The ultimate goal is that the perpetrator does not molest any more children. How this is done, whether by the police, the elders, or both does not matter. Remember, the handling of the matter by the elders does NOT replace the handling of the matter by the authorities.
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    Agree with you on first paragraph. About that congregation will be informed, and how will be informed, from par. 11 i am not so glad about policy. Trouble part in quote about it is this; elders will inform parents of minors within the congregation of the need to monitor their children’s interaction with the individual. They said here about informing, NOT all CONGREGATION in public announcement , NOT all CONGREGATIONS IN WHOLE COUNTRY, ....BUT ONLY PARENTS OF MINORS in particular congregation!! Is this enough? Policy makers decide how it is. WT Lawyers obviously gave advice about this way of dealing with issue. Maybe must be that way. Don't know. But looks problematic to me. I am aware how no one have "perfect" solution on this. But it seems to me, how WT experts not gave enough efforts for PROTECTING children and their families. About issue how elders will monitoring Individual persona aka molesters is funny idea.
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    @BillyTheKid46 please Billy look what the WT taught in 1995. And compare that to what the current Governing Body/"Sanhedrin" teaches. There is a huge difference. The GB has in fact apostatized from the earlier more correct understanding of the truth. And especially in the subject how anointed individuals should be regarded and treated.
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    7 We read concerning the judging of the sheep: “[Jesus] will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I got thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably; naked, and you clothed me. I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty, and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to you?’ And in reply the king will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, To the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’”—Matthew 25:34-40. 8 Obviously, the sheep judged worthy of being on Jesus’ right side of honor and favor represent a class of humans. (Ephesians 1:20; Hebrews 1:3) What did they do and when? Jesus says that they kindly, respectfully, and generously gave him food, drink, and clothing, aiding him when he was sick or in prison. When the sheep say that they had not done this to Jesus personally, he points out that they did support his spiritual brothers, the remnant of anointed Christians, so in that sense they did it to him. 9. Why does the parable not apply during the Millennium? 9 The parable does not apply during the Millennium, for the anointed will not then be humans suffering hunger, thirst, sickness, or imprisonment. Many of them, though, have experienced such during the conclusion of this system of things. Ever since Satan was cast down to earth, he has made the remnant a special object of his fury, bringing on them ridicule, torture, and death.—Revelation 12:17. 10, 11. (a) Why is it unreasonable to think that the sheep include everyone doing a kind deed to Jesus’ brothers? (b) Whom do the sheep fittingly represent? 10 Is Jesus saying that everyone doing a small kindness to one of his brothers, such as offering a piece of bread or a glass of water, qualifies as one of these sheep? Granted, rendering such kindnesses may reflect human kindness, but really, it seems that much more is involved with the sheep of this parable. Jesus was hardly referring, for example, to atheists or clergymen who happen to do a kind act to one of his brothers. On the contrary, Jesus twice called the sheep “righteous ones.” (Matthew 25:37, 46) So the sheep must be ones who over a period of time have come to the aid of—actively supporting—Christ’s brothers and have exercised faith to the extent of receiving a righteous standing before God. 11 Over the centuries, many such as Abraham have enjoyed a righteous standing. (James 2:21-23) Noah, Abraham, and other faithful ones count among the “other sheep” who will inherit life in Paradise under God’s Kingdom. In recent times millions more have taken up true worship as other sheep and have become “one flock” with the anointed. (John 10:16;Revelation 7:9) These with earthly hopes recognize Jesus’ brothers as ambassadors of the Kingdom and have therefore aided them—literally and spiritually. Jesus counts as done to him what the other sheep do for his brothers on earth. Such ones who are alive when he comes to judge the nations will be judged as sheep. 12. Why might the sheep ask how they had done kindnesses to Jesus? 12 If the other sheep are now preaching the good news with the anointed and aiding them, why would they ask: “Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty, and give you something to drink?” (Matthew 25:37) There could be various reasons. This is a parable. By means of it, Jesus shows his deep concern for his spiritual brothers; he feels with them, suffers with them. Jesus had earlier said: “He that receives you receives me also, and he that receives me receives him also that sent me forth.” (Matthew 10:40) In this illustration, Jesus extends the principle, showing that what is done (good or bad) to his brothers reaches even into heaven; it is as if it is done to him in heaven. Also, Jesus here emphasizes Jehovah’s standard for judging, making it clear that God’s judgment, whether favorable or condemnatory, is valid and just. The goats cannot offer the excuse, ‘Well, if only we had seen you directly.’ 13. Why might goatlike ones address Jesus as “Lord”? 13 Once we appreciate when it is that the judgment shown in this parable is rendered, we get a clearer view of who the goats are. The fulfillment is when “the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming . . . with power and great glory.” (Matthew 24:29, 30) Survivors of the tribulation on Babylon the Great who have treated the King’s brothers despitefully may now desperately address the Judge as “Lord,” hoping to save their lives.—Matthew 7:22, 23; compare Revelation 6:15-17. 14. On what basis will Jesus judge the sheep and the goats? 14 However, Jesus’ judgment will not be based on desperate claims from former churchgoers, atheists, or others. (2 Thessalonians 1:8) Instead, the judge will review the heart condition and past actions of people toward even “one of these least ones [of his brothers].” Admittedly, the number of anointed Christians left on earth is declining. However, as long as the anointed, making up “the faithful and discreet slave,” continue to provide spiritual food and direction, prospective sheep have an opportunity to do good to the slave class, just as the ‘great crowd out of all nations and tribes and peoples’ have done.—Revelation 7:9, 14.
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    The problem with that reasoning is that what has to happen for time to tell? Another child is molested? Do we "sacrifice" another child so when that happens we then know for 'sure' this person is a danger and needs to be constrained in a more effective way? (i.e. prison and counseling etc.). In cases of child sexual molestation, unlike other judicial cases (adultery, fornication etc.) the congregation will be informed according to the new guidelines: par. 11. If it is determined that one guilty of child sexual abuse is repentant and will remain in the congregation, restrictions are imposed on the individual’s congregation activities. The individual will be specifically admonished by the elders not to be alone in the company of children, not to cultivate friendships with children, or display any affection for children. In addition, elders will inform parents of minors within the congregation of the need to monitor their children’s interaction with the individual.
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    It's not about the issue around who is on what side or the other. It's primarily about the safety of children and the failure of adults, whoever they are, to discharge their responsibility to ensure that safety. And it's also about the moral responsibility of those both inside and outside of organisations who cover up detailed allegations out of cowardice and misplaced loyalties. These responsibilities are not removed by the opinions of others.
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    If John feels he have to go and report case to secular authorities, I will support his decision.
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    Billy, have you not remarked that GB manipulates the scripture? Jesus told people to do good in practical ways to his brothers, the anointed. But GB says you should not. Instead you should only preach. Can't you see that they discourage to do exactly what Jesus told you should do? And Jesus even warned that if you will not do good to his brothers by taking care of them you will be condemned to death. In reality if you obey GB in this aspect till the end you will be condemned by Jesus. Matthew 25:45 Then he will answer them, saying: ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of these least ones, you did not do it to me.’+ 46 These will depart into everlasting cutting-off,*+ but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”+
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    @BillyTheKid46 The Governing Body is a temporary arrangement like the Jewish Sanhedrin in the first century. Then Jesus came with new light. And the Sanhedrin just went darker. Like GB that contradict Jesus when GB tells Jehovah's witnesses not to apply Matthew 25 about Jesus' brothers to other anointed than GB it self. And Jesus told people to literally practically help Jesus' brothers. But GB distorts this by saying that you need only to help Jesus' brothers in taking part in the preaching work. Every thing will soon change when the final 1260 days begin with the attack on the holy place.
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    It's not a laughing matter and it's not that simple. It would be great if it was! By your comment I can see that you have never had any experience with something as complex as this. In fact it shows me you have absolutely no idea. Why don't you at least do some reading up on the subject, to educate yourself, before you make thoughtless sweeping statements like this. Here are a few things to start you off:
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    Before you say that these articles apply to social workers, therapists only, you need to realize that disclosures made to elders are no different, and that elders experience the same dilemmas because the information given to them may be the same as that given to social workers, therapists etc.
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    Yes, WT always hands over any necessary confidential documentation pertaining to a case. WT will not hand over confidential documentation that has nothing to do with a specific case. The supreme court agreed with WT on that. (Any $4,000 fines per day were reversed and removed). One more thing on that Srecko; the lawyer Zalkin has hundreds of files (in his words) from WT in his office, that he is not allowed to show to anyone by law*. So WT have given him many more documents, more than he needed. * why doesn't he make them public if it would help victims? Because he would immediately lose his license as a lawyer for breaching the confidentiality law. (or as you say secret). So he doesn't want to risk that of course.
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    Keep up! I was referring to your last reply.
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    Does this mean you are sounding like JWinsider? 😋
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    Never say never :))))))))) New light will come on GB ... and what will you do if it will be same or similar to this in our topic? hahhaha
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    You and Butler keep referring to the wicked slave. At this point, it happens to be you all. Those that manipulate scripture to make their own wrongful perception of scripture is the wicked slave. Therefore, if you honestly think the Watchtower is the wicked slave, then so are you, Srecko, Butler, JWinsider, Anna, TrueTom, etc.
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    If I’m not mistaken, we have been talking about how wrong, Bulter, Witness, Srecko are in the perception of the GB and what is written in scripture that they themselves follow. It’s unfortunate your claims don’t meet Bible standards and never will. Using scripture properly is the foremost given argument made. This is why the Watchtower makes all possible changes to keep the spirit of the original text alive. What have you offered, but strife? If you willing to argue interpretation, then let’s do it. Just keep your meaningless opinions out.
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    The GB twist scripture to create doctrine. For not accepting doctrine outside of God's Word , I was disfellowshipped, it wasn’t for rejecting the Word of God. Does it stop with the apostles? Should the rest of the Temple of God (anointed Body of Christ) begin obeying uninspired men and their false priesthood? It is clear that this is evidence of a "wicked slave" that "beats" down his fellow slaves into submissiveness. Matt 24:48-51 The entire congregation is under their thumb. If the anointed priesthood are not used, then how can the organization call itself Zion? As John Butler said, "The TRUE Anointed (Temple stones,1 Cor 3:16,17) would know how to use the scriptures properly. " They would use the law written on their heart to judge and teach in righteousness. Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. Isa 2:3 If faithful, they will reigning “kings”. Rev 5:9,10 Who is King of Kings? Rev 19:16 You are expecting others to replace the Head of the Body – Christ. There is no substitute leader over the anointed ones. Yet, an anointed "leader" of true teachings of Christ does not expect obedience to them, but to the Word. This is how the “saints will judge the world” – not by their opinion, but the Word, the decrees of God fulfilled in Christ, that issues from their hearts. Heb 4:12; 8:10-12 They are to teach the Word of God which leads/directs people to the Word, - to Christ and the Father. Mal 2:7; John 13:20 This is how they are found to be "faithful and discreet" when Jesus returns. Matt 25:23 This is only possible if the same “living water” from Christ fills their heart. Any deviance from Christ’s teachings, such as doctrine of men, is blasphemy. It is also blasphemy that Christ’s priests/kings are to obey those not anointed and those who speak falsehoods, which is failed doctrine and “empty words”. Eph 5:6; Matt 7:15-20 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. Jesus answered, “My teaching is not my own. It comes from the one who sent me. John 7:16 Matt 7:24-26; 10:12-15; 12:36,37; 19:11; John 7:38, etc. If you support others to rule over the anointed, you support spiritual “Gentiles” ruling over spiritual “Jews”/”Israel” – God’s possession. You support the Man of Lawlessness who has “set himself up” in the Temple of God. 2 Thess 2:3,4,7; Rev 11:1-3; Matt 24:14-16 I do hope you can see this.
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    You do say some stupid things Kid. I never once said the GB or JW Org wrote the Bible. BUT they did translate it to suit their own use, and they DO MISUSE SCRIPTURE that was meant for our instruction, guidance and protection. The GB make up rules for disfellowshipping. They do not only use the instruction from the scriptures, such as you have quoted above, but the GB add their own interpretations to it. If they in fact used the principal from the instruction as mentioned above, then there would be far fewer pedophiles in the JW org.... Each one that was found would be removed, handed over to the local authorities/police, and not hidden in the Org. One thing you seem to have overlooked though is this is an Anointed man (Paul ) talking to other Anointed men. This brings us back to the perfection of the Anointed that I mentioned earlier. It also confirms to me that the Bible is written for the Anointed not for the Earthly class. The TRUE Anointed would know how to use the scriptures properly. Now in the JW congregations the Elders and Circuit Overseers or equivalent are mostly not of the Anointed, and therefore are not qualified to do the judging. And when it is a crime that has been committed then it becomes a legal matter not a spiritual one. Hence it should be immediately handed over to the legal authorities, 'that stand in place by God Himself, to do God's will in dealing with such matters, as mentioned in God's written word. As for those 'in the body of Christ', they are the TRUE ANOINTED, NOT THE GB of JW Org.
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    Whether Manasseh was only sinner in Israel? Why sins of all other individuals has not been made public too? Definition of reinstate transitive verb 1: to place again (as in possession or in a former position) 2: to restore to a previous effective state JW Judicial Committee can REINSTATE only those JW who was been DISFELLOWSHIPED by that same Judicial Commitee. Repentance, as state of mind and heart, in a life of person who has made some "sin", secret or public, have nothing with 3 men sitting in a back room of KH with Manual Book.
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    What you are saying, when Paul and Barnabas appointed Elders to each church, they are supporting a corporation. When Jesus was placed before Pilate, it was done under the assumption of a corporation. When Peter and John were taken before the Sanhedrin, it was done as a corporation. These all imply judicial committee. Was Jesus reinstated to his ministry? Or was he executed for it? There is no need to play with words. No different with the word reinstate to mean repented. Did the errors of Manasseh go in secret? Did God not make it public? This idea of repentance in secret is all that is needed is an error in thought. Those that believe all that is needed to worship God in silence is also mistaken. Christian fellow is made by unity. The body of Christ is an individual that subject their faith with their fellow man. Oneness is hypocritical to say the least. Then you will understand what James meant when he stated “So then, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you will be healed. The prayer of a good person has a powerful effect” There is no oneness in this statement. It is for the purpose of unifying the body of Christ that is the church. The illustration given Butler is self-evident.
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    Terminology: judicial committee and reinstated are clearly, plainly Corporational words in WTJworg inc. Religion. The Bible calls people to forgive each other's sins. The Bible invites us to pray to God in this way: and forgive us our debts (sins), as we also have forgiven our debtors. By MESSAGE in Lord's Prayer, God is very willful to forgive all sins to people, .... in fact he has already done that, even before your birthday. By Jesus words, God is more interested for another thing, that people forgiving each other. Because Jesus speaks of a precondition; "Forgive your neighbor" ... then God will look at you mercifully too. If we confess our sins, [God] is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” “Openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may get healed.” By this Bible logic in this 3 places it is not needed to give confess and/or ask for forgiveness from some Legal Religious Body. Ones "secret sin" will be "forgiven" if you in your mind and heart "confess" it to God, not to men. Another thing is our psychological side and our inside need to "tell someone" about our inside soul problem and turmoil. "Sin" aka injustice that ones have done to his neighbor is also separate thing. If you are aware of your bad act toward somebody around you, then you must go to this person who you offend, say bad words, done bad or evil thing. You must confess and ask forgiveness FROM HIM.
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    Good analogy. Now place it in the proper context which will refute your claim. The GB are drawn by scripture. If you refute the GB for the following of scripture then that is far worse in your behalf. Every Christian fellow in the body of Christ obeys Gods commandments as instructed by Christ. Jesus had someone above him, just like the apostles had Jesus above them. Where in scripture does it relate about leaders that you seem to have a problem with?
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    I’m afraid you continue in a path of destruction. For one, and the most important mistake is your assertion the GB disfellowship. Perhaps reacquainting yourself with the Bible and once again read the Proverbs it will become clear what Matthew was talking about. Where in scripture have you found the JWorg or the GB wrote the Bible. 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 ESV It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you. For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing. When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord… In some Bible translations they are blunter like “throw that evil person out!” or Expel the Immoral Brother! 5 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3 Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. Meantime, whoever taught you scripture originally, I’m afraid that person didn’t do a good job. For that, I do apologize. Perhaps it’s too late since you’ve hardened your heart and have drawn blind through your personal rage, but those that continue in the body of Christ understand.
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    Fossils are not millions of years old

    If you really know your chemistry and how things work you can calculate the rate of radiation buildup... especially if you know what you are looking for... Most scientists do not believe the bible so they do not even try. My brother has a special talent for discovering what a new molecule looks like - hence his profession of researching new poisons (on the plants in Africa which often kill animals). This of course sent him to jail because he refused to help the government kill dissidents by providing them with unknown/new poisons which he isolated and described the structures of. I must add my brother has no ego - he is talented but does not look for any kind of recognition at all - so he is not in search of some holy grail - he just loves knowledge and the bible. I We still have this curse on the ground and this produces weeds and unwanted elements which makes it hard to produce food. But - weeds and overgrowth and warmth do not affect animals - only the livelihood of humans So with a water band the animals will have been OK, big and fat and the pollution was not yet what it is today. What is significant in all of this is that they had never seen a rainbow before - so after the flood there was definitely a difference in the composition of the atmosphere to view a rainbow for the first time. Also - the grapes will have produced more sugar than before the flood with the stronger, unfiltered sun. Hence the event that Noah may have underestimated the amount of alcohol in his wine (not the same as before). Wine people know that stronger sunlight gives more sugar in grapes .... and hence more alcohol when fermented. So there are quite a few indications in the bible that things changed after the flood. For me the sedimentary layers which came during the flood are full of animals that could have lived until the flood.... but for this information I guess we have to wait until after Armageddon to find out.
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    Billy you wouldn't know truth if it punched you on the nose. You worship the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses and you serve that GB and the JW Org. You do not serve Almighty God or Jesus Christ. When you mention committing sin, who do you think the 'sin is committed against ? The JW Org disfellowships people for disobeying the GB rules and / or speaking truth which disagrees with the teachings of the Org. The JW Org disfellowships people for complaining about being sexually abused by Elders or others in that Org. The JW Org uses the excuse of 'Causing a division within the congregation' when no division has been caused. You know these things as well as i know them, but you chose to both hide them and ignore them. So be it. But remember sin can only be committed against GOD, not against an organisation. The JW Org disfellowships people for disobeying the rules of an Organisation, not for sinning against God. THEN the GB and it's Org pretend that a disfelowshipped person cannot serve God through Jesus Christ. How wrong your GB and Org are. And this is still totally on topic as I'm showing how the GB praise themselves and deceive the congregation. But of course the GB are deceiving themselves, they are not close to reality, not close to the whole congregation and not close to God or Christ.
  35. 1 point
    Before anyone decides to exploit the word “forgiven”, I’m referring to judgment. A person by repentance and reinstatement doesn't guarantee that person won’t automatically be judged by God, and Christ in judgment day. This is a Catholic philosophy where a person can buy their way into heaven by good deeds. Just like the word “accordingly.” The word according without the “LY” can be seen throughout scripture in some other bibles. 2 Peter 3:3 New King James Version (NKJV) 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, Therefore, that’s a none argument in definitions. If the NWT is accused of substitution, then all Bible translations are guilty, including whatever you use.
  36. 1 point
    Sorry to say, you’re once again mistaken. Reinstatement means you have shown God you have repented. This includes the body of Christ which is in each Christian fellow in unison. Meaning the church. People that are reinstated doesn’t mean they are automatically forgiven by God. That will be up to God to decide. Remember Manasseh. Absolution is a confirmation of God’s forgiveness. The last time I looked, Christ, and those that were charged by God with the Holy Spirit were given that privilege to remove sin. However, that didn’t include perfection, a sinless state. The Apostles remained sinful. Then the wicked heart is centered on people that defy God James 4:1-12 through no Christian ethics. Romans 12:9-12 I hope one day you will understand your errors and repent. Matthew 23:12
  37. 1 point
    If someone commits a sin, whose fault is that. Did the GB write scripture? Let's focus on realism, not just on an untethered opinion.
  38. 1 point
    Absolution. Isn’t this what reinstatement is? Formal release from guilt, obligation, or punishment. an ecclesiastical declaration of forgiveness of sins. I was raised a Catholic and later became a JW, holding on for over 30 years. Both religions are the same two-headed coin – one side is the Pope; one, the GB. Both are hierarchical, and both incorporate a false priesthood that judges, condemns and expels. The only difference is, that God’s authentic priesthood (1 Pet 2:5,9) is held “captive” within the WT and admonished to remain silent. This isn’t what Paul said they should do. Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers! 1 Cor 6:1-6 For you put up with fools gladly, since you yourselves are wise! For you put up with it if one brings you into bondage, if one devours you, if one takes from you, if one exalts himself, if one strikes you on the face. 2 Cor 11:19-20 The “saints” carry the law of God within their heart. A non-anointed elder body does not; so they guide, judge, and rule in wickedness. Heb 8:10 “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge, And people should seek the law from his mouth; For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts. Mal 2:7 Because of this situation, what has happened? Lawsuits, cover ups, disfellowshipping of the righteous, no care for victims or orphans. It really isn’t any different in the Catholic Church. Both, are Satan’s fabrications. Can a leopard change its spots? For anyone to suppress God’s priesthood, destroying His Temple and its arrangement, destruction comes upon them. I am sorry, but it is written in scripture. 1 Cor 3:16,17 It is lawlessness. 2 Thess 2:3,4, 7,8; Ezek 44:6-9 I do hope the anointed and all, wake up to this seemingly “beautiful”, organization’s sins. Jer 13:15-27
  39. 1 point
    I'm well focussed thanks. Just gave you two points that prove the GB praise themselves and deceive the congregants. That is totally on topic. And it is true that the GB have put themselves and the JW org in place of Jesus Christ. The GB pretend that by disfellowshipping someone it stops a person serving God. Doesn't that prove that the GB think they are higher than Jesus Christ, as it is through Christ we serve God not through the GB or the JW org.
  40. 1 point
    Broken record, try focusing on this post. The blindness is on the hatred you harbor toward the GB. You're allowed having an opinion regardless if it's not good.
  41. 1 point
    Unfortunately, you’re mistaken on both accounts. Perhaps, researching the Catholic faith as well as the Watchtower will make it clear on your errors. When someone goes into confession, they are seeking absolution from sin. Perhaps this definition on the word absolution will help. Not that it makes a difference, but when you understand a judicial committee, you will find out, they are formed to keep a congregation clean, not relieve anyone of their sin. When someone repents, it is showing God and asking him to be forgiven by his/her action. This is why the GB adheres to scripture without confusing its understanding like many here.
  42. 1 point
    Felix. To an extent, “perfect” relates to being spiritually complete. Even if you use the KJV, it amounts to the same when it depicts in translation “brought to its end” – “consummate human integrity and virtue.” The Watchtower simply uses “accordingly” to achieve the same goal of looking for Spiritual maturity, completeness. Anyone understanding ancient script has no problem understanding. However, it is useless to exercise intellectual communication here with the majority. Even if they state they don’t want to be seen as an ally, yet support untethered mischief. Too many friends among foes. This is why The GB understand what being imperfect means and what spiritual maturity means. If they didn't, then they would be just like any other teacher that thinks, they are equal to Christ as the POPE. Many evangelical also. Some profess to have healing powers like Christ. Some believe they have the power to remove sin like Christ by Catholic priests.
  43. 1 point
    Matthew 5 v 48. You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. (NWT) King James Version. Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Perfection can possibly mean different things to different people, especially to God. Adam was created perfect, but he could not fly. If he had jumped off a mountain and tried he would have been in trouble. Does that mean he was not perfect ? I don't think so. I think being perfect means being perfect for a specific job. The Anointed, that is the TRUE REAL Anointed ones, will be perfect for the work that God has for then to do.
  44. 1 point
    I've had a busy day and being honest can't be bothered to look up scriptures, yes I know that is a bad attitude but it's honest BUT :- Jesus said to His apostles (anointed) " You must be perfect just as your Father in heaven is perfect" (or something close to that) . Plus, the early teaching was that ALL of the Anointed are the Faithful and discreet slave class. So what gives 8 basically American men the right to suddenly exalt themselves above all the others ? Because everyone who exalts himself will be humiliated, but whoever humbles himself will be exalted.” And if those 8 mainly American men have to resort to lies and deceit to maintain their authority, then that does not have God's approval for sure. And why would God feed them false information ? Why would they get so much wrong ? Why would they 'run ahead' of doing God's will? Do you forget the scripture of 'Ten men clinging to the skirt of a Jew' ? A spiritual Jew should be recognised by his deeds and be able to prove his position. The GB only prove themselves to be false. And i also find it funny when someone 'backs up' what they are saying by saying other people / organisations are also doing it. What difference does it make what all those false religions are doing ? Isn't your JW Org supposed to be the 'only true' religion. It's seems we are back to 'offering children to Molech'. Well other religions were doing it so it must be ok . Yes Spiritual Jews should exist. The Bible makes that clear. BUT, if not the whole body of Anointed then, IMO, 12 or possibly 13 brothers (for obvious reasons) and all from different nations. One of the points that i was told when told about the Heavenly class being from Earth, was that when in Heaven they would remember what life was like here on Earth and have Empathy and understanding. Well likewise, if the were from different nations / countries, they would have more empathy and understanding of people from all around the Earth.
  45. 0 points
    There are politicians involved in sex rings in UK, EU and USA and it is covered up. In the end - Jehovah is the judge. People who think they can get away with crimes will face Jehovah - soon. IN Germany young girls and little boys are regularly raped and groped. Most cases are not followed up. And there are court cases which are totally absurd. A woman in a wheel chair in Sweden - case was thrown out because she did " not give enough resistance". Germany: a woman is facing charges because she defended herself against a rapist. The world is getting totally blinded by satan - and the ones who are assisting this are the judges and the police who get their orders "from above" - that is if they value their jobs. I watched a video where one of the highest authorities in England - a woman who exposed crimes against children - in her capacity as the head of a large government agency was hounded by the entire police and judicial system. It was heart breaking to hear how they put her in prison under false names so her family did not know where she was.... she lost her house, job and everything she had worked for her whole life. This is the kind of justice that is going on behind the scenes. Satan is literally not ruling behind the scenes any more - he is absolutely openly running everything through his human power-seekers! This is not a fabrication ! It is really going on. The truth is hidden by all the lies that are now in the public domain. Some of the true stories sound more like fabricated stories and the lies are believed as truth.
  46. 0 points
    @Anna you have been well trained (brain washed) by the JW org. I do hope nothing of these sorts ever happens to you or your family. Yes I'm sure you would tell my local elders if i gave you their phone numbers, tell them to destroy evidence that is. i didn't find that piece of paper with the details on, maybe I destroyed it. I honestly cannot remember the man's name, so now i have no info at all. Oh well if the Elders can destroy evidence and still think they have peace with God ......
  47. -1 points
    @BillyTheKid46 Quote : This is why the GB adheres to scripture without confusing its understanding like many here. That is a good laugh ! Thanks Kid. Like the two witness rule used in Child Abuse cases, but not used in Fornication accusations. And the fact that a person has to agree to 'serve' the Org when they get baptised. Kid you are completely blind.

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