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  1. 7 points
    Here is the weekly material for the weeks of April 29 and May 6, 2019 TB Watchtower April 29, 2019–May 5, 2019.pdf Watchtower April 29, 2019–May 5, 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of April 29–May 5 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of April 29–May 5 , 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of April 29–May 5 , 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of April 29–May 5 , 2019 text only.pdf CBS April 29–May 5, 2019.pdf CBS April 29–May 5, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -April 29–May 5, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -April 29–May 5, 2019.pdf Watchtower May 6-12, 2019.doc Watchtower May 6-12, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 6-12 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 6-12 , 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 6-12 , 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 6-12 , 2019 text only.pdf CBS May 6-12, 2019.doc CBS May 6-12, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -May 6-12, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -May 6-12, 2019.pdf
  2. 6 points
    Here is the material for the next 2 weeks-- May 13-19, and May 20-26 , 2019. TB Watchtower May 13-19, 2019.doc Watchtower May 13-19, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 13-19, 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 13-19, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 13-19, 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 13-19, 2019 text only.pdf CBS May 13-19, 2019.doc CBS May 13-19, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -May 13-19, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -May 13-19, 2019.doc Watchtower May 20-26, 2019.doc Watchtower May 20-26, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 20-26 , 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 20-26 , 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 20-26 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 20-26 , 2019 text only.pdf CBS May 20-26,2019.doc CBS May 20-26,2019.pdf Additional Highlights -May 20-26, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -May 20-26, 2019.pdf
  3. 6 points
    Here is the material for the weeks of the memorial April 15-21 & April 22-28, 2019. TB Watchtower April 15-21, 2019.pdf Watchtower April 15-21, 2019.doc Watchtower April 22-28, 2019.doc Watchtower April 22-28, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of April 22-28 , 2019 text only.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of April 22-28 , 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of April 22-28 , 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of April 22-28 , 2019.doc Additional Highlights -April 22-28, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -April 22-28, 2019.doc CBS April 22-28, 2019.pdf CBS April 22-28, 2019.doc
  4. 5 points
    @BillyTheKid46, You seem to spend an inordinate amount of energy trying to provoke persons into fighting with you. It is as though you have a NEED to fight. I have seen this from you (and yours) for quite a while now. In a recent thread about Brother Morris visiting a liquor store, I agreed with you completely that the post was irrelevant and irreverent and it tried to make something scandalous out of a potentially innocent activity without 100 percent proof. (And I thought your pun was good, too. See page 4 of that topic.) You and Melinda Mills spoke about the Venezuelan economic issues under Maduro. You helped to clarify the picture that Melinda posted, the one with worthless money in the gutter, when you provided a link to the explanatory SNOPES article. I mentioned that I appreciated that same SNOPES link you provided because it gave details about how and when those pictures came about, and I quoted verbatim from your link. Then you inexplicably decided to reject the explanation from your own link, and claim that I was somehow attacking the vision that your mother had told you about in the 1960's. What made this so odd was that I had already agreed that the picture was related to that same expectation. My own mother referenced that point from Ezekiel 7:19, as did Melinda's. You said: BTK: "What was fasinating to me, My mother pointed it out to me in the '60s as a devout JW that would happen, and it sure the hell did. There is no photoshop on that. It's not a tale." To which I responded, that in spite of the propaganda use that was presented in SNOPES that, Yes. . . : JWI: "It was still related to Maduro, and is still related to money becoming worthless. It is still supportive of the idea that people will be throwing their money (even their gold) in the streets, because money is of no value as a savior in the day of Jehovah's fury. It shows how bad things can get." To which you responded: BTK: "I understand you are trying desperately to delegitimize my mother’s vision. Do that with your own mother, lay off mine." I didn't bother to respond, after which you added: BTK: "Its unfortunate someone like JWinsider decided to insult and denigrate a relative, and James thinking it’s funny to do just that, makes them the biggest AH’s in this forum." I'm sure that a few people didn't realize that you had made up the whole thing about someone "denigrating a relative" just to provoke a fight in the same way worldly people do when they hurl insults about each other's mother, and call each other "AH," which has been used as an abbreviation for a**hole. When you provoke and the other party doesn't respond in kind, I'm sure it can be frustrating. But please don't bring these same worldly attitudes and posturings into every topic. You end up discrediting yourself instead of your target. "A slave of the Lord does not need to fight." (2 Tim 2:24)
  5. 4 points
    I could be in serious trouble. They just finished remodeling the Kingdom Hall, and there are two quarter walls, one left of stage and one right. Gulp. Will the brother start entering and exiting the platform via those quarter walls, just like I saw them do in the other congregation?
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    The circuit overseer was visiting, so I started pumping him on it. “‘Don’t let the brothers walk behind the quarter wall to go on-stage,” I told him. I was not too insistent, one mustn’t overdo it on these things. I mean, I don’t want to be the brother who meets him in the parking lot to tell him that all the brothers are no good, and they aren’t loving at all, and they are deadwood in the ministry, and come to think of it, they don’t even like God, and so he, the circuit overseer, has a lot of work to do here, and he says “Yeah, I think I’ve found the problem already.” I did about as much as I could. He seemed to be sympathetic. “Yeah, I know,” he said. “You see them, then you don’t as they walk behind the wall, and then you do as they emerge from the other side—it IS a little funny.” So I gave it a good try. But he was just biding his time to get away from me. He is not going to do anything at all, I don’t think, other than tell the brothers to go on the platform when it is their turn to speak. What does he care how they do it? It doesn’t bother HIM any one way of the other. It’s ME it’s driving nuts, and then he will say “Well, you were mostly there already.” I have always tried to stack the deck. Those elders way back in the day would have a meeting coming up and I would pump various ones separately over multitude of picayune things, so that one of them said at their meeting (as I was told later) “Wait a minute. Who’s running this congregation? You, me, or Tom Harley?” But lo! A miracle has occurred. Never never never NEVER did I think I would EVER agree with @Jack Ryan. But I do on something. Jack Ryan! who if a Bethel brother so much as farts, he starts a derogatory thread on it. Jack Ryan! who has been known to start as many as a dozen critical threads in a single day. Jack Ryan! who I think regards himself as some sort of a secret agent/freedom fighter. What is it with this character? Yet, I saw, yes—I witnessed it while visiting another congregation, brothers clapping after each and every exchange that took place up front, whether li8ve or on video, just the way Jack was complaining about. Suddenly he becomes as a prophet from on high. That too, drove me nuts!—all that clapping. You don’t clap over every single skit of one sister offering a tract to another, who, of course accepts it a just little too eagerly, it seems to me, from what I recall in the actual ministry. You clap spontaneously when something really knocks your socks off. You clap when a child or even anyone gives his or her first talk on the school. You clap when the spirit genuinely moves you, for anything. You clap after the public talk, even giving the speaker the benefit of the doubt if it wasn’t that—um—good. But you don’t clap for every minor exchange of trivial words! It only cheapens the times that there really is something to clap for. I know where this comes from, just like I know where walking behind the quarter walls came from. Some pious brother doubtless wanted to “show appreciation” for everything under the sun and so started up the habit, thinking he was setting a ‘good example’ and that others would follow, and those others, not wanting to seem unappreciative, did follow, even some half-heartedly. However, it is possible that it is not the pious brother at all who is responsible, but rather the one who is too swayed by the new-agey mantra that you have to lavish praise on children non-stop just for showing up, for the sake of building self-esteem, and so they clap if a brother so much as clears his throat. I mean, don’t go pinning this one on “theocracy,” Jack—it could just as well be that trendy “world” that you are so enamored with. This will not the easiest habit to break. I mean, you can hardly sit there and scowl, so as to provide the counter-example. The best strategy is just to contain it, as you might strive to do with a measles outbreak. Don’t send speakers to that congregation for awhile, until the illness passes. I doubt I can even enlist the circuit overseer in any serious capacity on this one. He will probably just roll his eyes when I meet him about it in the parking lot. C’mon, DO IT RIGHT, BROTHERS!
  6. 4 points
    We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. - source JWorg Here we have maneuver by JW Clergy Leaders who try to justify, by Bible, how they have made/making changes of Organizational doctrines and beliefs, because they have not understand the Scriptures before (and today too). In meantime, while they were not been aware of false and wrong in own doctrines, they continued to force and run wrong laws inside JW congregations. Exactly this and that WTJWORG mandate beliefs, are what can be called by name you used in comment - provisional laws. With time passing, WT Leaders changed doctrines which they presented as Bible Truths and God's Word. After some time they made new doctrines out of old doctrines, and again they called such modified rules-doctrines-laws as Bible Truths and God's Word. They using lexical terminology such as; adjusted our beliefs .....Scriptures has been clarified. Well, we have different wording but same package of meanings and results: Provisional Laws ........ Adjusted our beliefs ...... Scriptures has been clarified.
  7. 4 points
    Anybody heard of poetic licence? Def. "The freedom to depart from the facts of a matter or from the conventional rules of language when speaking or writing in order to create an effect."
  8. 4 points
    Srecko Sostar


    Hi, I also wonder, why @Foreigner giving me so much red arrows too ? ...... and not giving any comments on my post, just downvote reaction :))))) perhaps man only know to read and not to write. Even i can write with my poor English :))))))) Thank you very much, to all who reading my comments and have understanding and patience for my grammar
  9. 3 points
    Yikes! No “data-gathering” according to the new privacy law. What to do? As far as I am concerned, this is a blessing in disguise. Jehovah’s people will adapt. They always do. I even think it will be beneficial for us, overall. We have some people who become obsessed over records, the way some people do with regard to records of any sort. We have some who call back repeatedly if the householder does so much as give them the time of day—training them not to, in my opinion. Working with this new European law will force more discernment and maturity, though initially inconvenient in some respects. I wouldn’t mind if it spread to here in the States. This law will alter the logistics of the Matthew 28:19-20 aspect of Christianity— “Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, (Mathew 28:19) but it will not impact the Matthew 24:14 aspect at all: “And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.” (Matthew 24:14) It will probably even enhance it. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Most of the suggested field service presentations I don’t like. I don’t like them because they do not work for me. Of course, it is “different strokes for different folks,” but from what I have seen, they don’t work that well for others, either. They are incremental in approach, and many, when implemented by anyone less than an expert, come off as passive-aggressive. Sometimes I wonder where they come from, because they do not necessarily dovetail with each other. Probably they are the products of various full-time evangelizers who are brainstorming. Since many start with floating a question that will seldom be on the typical person’s mind, such as “Where are the dead?” you pretty much have to record the response and hope that you have laid the foundation for furthering it or starting another topic. All that requires you write stuff down, which is now illegal unless the person has authorized it. Better—or at least it works better for me—to bring up something more all-encompassing. The circuit overseer last visit made much of the 1-minute (and six seconds) video “Would You Like Good News?” Invite people to hear it—it only is one minute (and it is good to say literally one minute) The video ends with a plug for the Good News from God brochure and that brochure has a table of contents: “Which topic interests you most?” It says. They include Who Is God?, Who Is Jesus Christ?, What Is God’s Purpose for the Earth?, What Hope Is There for the Dead?, What Is God’s Kingdom?, Why Does God Allow Evil and Suffering?, How Can Your Family Be Happy?, and How Can You Draw Close to God? The video is here: If the person registers any interest, you can set up something then and there. If not, off you go with a sincere thanks for their time—after all, we call without appointment, which is becoming a rarety in the West, nobody is required to listen to what we have to say, so whenever someone does, I thank them for their time. Some all-encompassing verses that also work for starters—just offer to read a verse, give a brief statement as to why you read it, ask what the person thinks about it, and then offer to disappear. Such as: Jeremiah 29:11 - “For I myself well know the thoughts that I am thinking toward you,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘thoughts of peace, and not of calamity, to give you a future and a hope.” (The reason I like the verse is because some people think God is out to rake us over, or judging from the current state of things, that there is no God, and this verse says not only that there is, but he thinks good thoughts towards us.) Or Matthew 5:3 - “Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them.” (The reason I like the verse is because we all have a spiritual need, but we are not necessarily conscious of it—it is more like vitamins, that if neglected, may lead to sickness and we never know quite why.) There are no end of verses that can be used. It just takes adjusting to the idea. All work except for the verse Tom Pearlsandswine latched onto in my first book, ‘Tom Irregardless and Me’: Revelation 21:8: “But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and fornicators and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur. This means the second death.” “The reason I like that verse,” he would say, “is that it shows sinners are going down and you’d better shape up.” He is such an idiot. With a flat response to any chosen verse other than his, off you go. With a favorable one, you can even go to a longer video, with the intro that I find works well, “This video runs almost four minutes, but you don’t have to listen to it all. The minute it gets boring, hand it back.” It puts the control in the householder’s hands and defuses any impression of being pushy. I hate being pushy and try hard not to give that impression. There are few people in the world easier to get rid of than me. None of these presentations require the use of memory-jogging records. If the response if favorable, there is no difficulty in exchanging contact information if desired. As for keeping track of who is not-at-home—JWs do this—I even know one person who writes down every address beforehand and crosses them out as she finds them home, completely reversing how it is intended to be done—one might respond by forgetting all about it. Put the angels in charge of that one. Call when the majority of persons are likely to be home in the first place, which we do not always do. As for keeping records of those who have requested we not call on them again—well, I don’t know. Tell them we’d love to comply but the new law is screwing us up. Not to mention that we have long been moving in that direction anyway. That’s what the mobile cart witnessing is all about. That’s what the website is all about. They are two forms of advertising the good news without going to anyone’s door at all. On the home page of jw.org is a new Bible study feature. A series of studies that are multimedia, self-guided at one’s own pace, and require no registration or entry of info—“I’ll never know if you do it or not,” I tell people. In fact, I am looking forward to the time—the timing and circumstances will have to be just right, you wouldn’t do it just with anyone—when I tell someone, “I don’t want to study the Bible with you. Do it yourself.” We spoon-feed people too much, and it is hardly necessary with the majority. I even think being constantly obsessed over presentation of the very basics keeps us from pressing on to maturity, in some respects. They have done us a favor with their new law, is my take. Photo: DSC00212 by gauge opinion
  10. 3 points
    We have got a great way to minimise our Not-At-Homes. We've been doing it for years: Not Homes.mp4
  11. 3 points
    Jack Ryan

    I am proud to be a JW

    At least three or four times a month, someone will post something like: I am proud to be a JW Seriously, what is up with that? I am not trying to be disrespectful. But I never see anyone here post "I am proud to be a Christian". If you are "proud" to be a JW, it almost sounds like you are boasting about having accomplished a goal, that you were able to do something that others can't do. It almost sounds like you are saying that your salvation is because of something you accomplished on your own.
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  13. 3 points
    This is so only if you are spiritually impervious and the bulk of what is offered bounces off you like skipping stones on a stagnant pond. (I am being very mean to JTR lately. I want to apologize to him for a previous mean reply and I am just about fixing myself up to do it when he posts some crass &.attacking remark that recalls to my mind why I insulted him in the first place>)
  14. 3 points
    @BillyTheKid46 Are you really using the Romans 13 scripture to mean the GB ? Are you joking ? The Superior Authorities to whom we pay taxes are worldly governments. Surely even you can understand that ? You are proving day by day that you are not a JW. The only power the GB have is what they give themselves and what their servants (most JW's) give them. The GB has no power given by God or Jesus Christ.
  15. 3 points
    The disciples and many others have been listening. Now Jesus addresses them, warning about the scribes and the Pharisees. Those men have “seated themselves in the seat of Moses” to teach God’s Law. - source jworg It seems how, after new interpretations on "secular authority", you put yourself on Moses seat :)))) Or you just copy/paste some WT magazine. If yes, tell the source. According to your new light, donation money from now have new name - taxes?! And for what purpose? For service of those who governing in WTJWORG. Well, I see from this that JW's have PAID CLERGY, according to this understanding of Bible words. :)))))) very good
  16. 3 points
  17. 3 points
    Billy, dear Billy .... even in simple stating your position as believer, you alone put yourself in negative context. Is it some typing error? Or you purposely wrote how you obeying God almighty through the Watchtower ? It would be more better to say... (political correctness :))))))... through Jesus . And all would end there. Bible not endorse no one else as Mediator but Jesus Christ.
  18. 3 points
    The Librarian

    Baptismal questions

    *** w1955 7/1 411 Christian Baptism for the New World Society *** 15 A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit. This shows, among other things, that Christianity is not a denominational affair, that sects have nothing to do with it. “Does the Christ exist divided? Paul was not impaled for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I am thankful I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.”—1 Cor. 1:13-15, NW. *** w1966 10/1 603-4 Serving with Everlasting Life in View *** 15 This is what we mean when we dedicate our lives to Jehovah. We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. This makes dedication a very personal relationship between us and Jehovah. -------------------------------------- *** w1958 8/1 478 Baptism *** 22 It is essential that with the mouth a public declaration of faith be made. Two questions are therefore asked the candidates: (1) Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ? (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 23 Everyone who can answer “Yes” to these questions is eligible for baptism and should take this step without hesitation or delay. *** w1960 5/15 308 "What Prevents Me from Getting Baptized?" *** 23 The first question is: Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ? 24 The second question is: On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 25 Everyone who has answered “Yes” to these two questions is eligible for baptism and should be baptized at that same circuit or district assembly of Jehovah’s witnesses. *** w1973 5/1 280 Baptizing Follows Discipling *** we suggest that you consider the following two questions, which are asked of candidates for baptism: (1) Have you repented of your sins and turned around, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his SonJesus Christ? (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? If you find that you can answer “YES” to these questions, then it would be appropriate for you to speak to the presiding overseer in the congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses with which you associate, with a view to getting baptized. ------------------------------------ *** w1985 6/1 30 Subjecting Ourselves to Jehovah by Dedication *** The first question is: On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will? The second is: Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism. *** w1987 4/15 12 Gaining Peace With God Through Dedication and Baptism *** By baptism you identify yourself as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s worldwide congregation. *** w87 4/15 12 Gaining Peace With God Through Dedication and Baptism *** Recently the two questions addressed to baptismal candidates were simplified so that candidates could answer with full comprehension of what is involved in coming into intimate relationship with God and his earthly organization. *** w1989 1/15 13 What Prevents You From Getting Baptized? *** for the first of two questions the speaker asks them is: “On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?” Only if the individual answers in the affirmative and also understands that his dedication and baptism identify him as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization can he acceptably undergo water immersion. *** knowledge 176 18 Make It Your Aim to Serve God Forever *** Baptism ‘in the name of the holy spirit’ signifies that the baptismal candidate recognizes Jehovah’s holy spirit, or active force, as God’s instrument for carrying out His purposes and for empowering His servants to do His righteous will in association with His spirit-directed organization.
  19. 3 points
    I am scribbling away like mad, taking notes. It is hard to keep up.
  20. 3 points
    Who are these people but a bunch of flakes like you? So what have they actually confirmed in your puzzled mind? They don't speak for the Watchtower. In their hearts, they are not affiliated to the Watchtower. They speak in the same respect as apostates. Therefore, what possible thing can they prove aside to confirm how inadequate you are in understanding scripture with their understanding? The GB didn't teach you to apply scripture by their standards. They taught you through others to apply scripture by Christ standards, Therefore, what have you taught yourself by learning scripture on your own? To be foolish and an apostate? You really taught yourself something. How embarrassing it will be when someone wants to use somebody like you in a court of law as a witness. It is going to be very easy to prove your personal bias and mental state.
  21. 3 points
    Good Day TWYLA. Thank You.
  22. 3 points
    Oh @JW Insider it's probably not worth the effort to answer you but I have a bit of time before my darling wife puts my dinner on the table for me. Let's start with a Quote "You probably know that there were infamous cases of immorality that Paul referred to in his letters even to the very Corinthian congregations that Paul himself had "planted." Are look Paul made the immorality known. Whereas, the Elders of the JW congregations hid it all in leters to their HQ and in filing cabinets. Why did the elders hide it ? Because on instructions from the GB. That's why it is all coming into the open now. It follows scripture about 'nothing being hidden that will not be revealed' ... Quote " But when the Org sees it as a problem, .. " The Org didn't see it as a problem. It was put 'in their face' by victims of abuse. The problem the GB saw was the cost of the court cases and compensations. Why do you use examples of people 'of the world' such as Isaac Newton etc ? They were not 'supposed to be guided by God's Holy Spirit' were they ? Your GB pretend to be the 'Faithful and discreet slave' providing the PROPER FOOD at the RIGHT TIME'. BUT they have to keep changing the food as they give poison instead. So how can they be guided by God to do that ? Do you really think God deliberately misguides His people ? Quote "I can't see how it "suits themselves." The Armageddon threats are obviously to frighten people to get baptised and serve the JW Org. I'm sure we've had quotes on here where the Watchtowers would say the only way to 'get saved' through Armageddon was to be in the Org. More members = more donations. But then, as with the 7,000 year creative days, it all falls apart and can be seen as lies. Quote "the inability to question 1914" ? Are you suggesting more lies ? Quote "It's now just a matter of fully implementing the processes that have been put in place." And the two witness rule, what of that ? I'm sure in my own mind that the scripture was not for that use. Quote " I think we agree completely on shunning. I have no doubt at all that we have been implementing the shunning practice in an unchristian, unscriptural, and unloving manner. " So are we looking at a 100% turnaround on it then ? I very much doubt that. Remember ,'By their works you will know them'. Quote " I would never claim we are more moral than any other group of people.". That's one thing we can agree on then. But that being the case, thousands of JW's are hypocrites. So it's an unclean Org. Quote "If enough Witnesses perform their Christian duty, however, even a mass of disfellowshippings will automatically produce changes. " I was hoping for a mass 'leaving the JW Org when I left, but it didn't happen. I was hoping that would have produced change. Enough for now , my wife is calling me to dinner.
  23. 3 points
    Oh my. It seems Billy the Kid's imagination is running away with him!
  24. 3 points
    For what it's worth, my opinion is that @JW Insider works for both sides in a different sense. I like the way Paul put it: (1 Corinthians 9:19-23) . . .For though I am free from all people, I have made myself the slave to all, so that I may gain as many people as possible. 20 To the Jews I became as a Jew in order to gain Jews; to those under law I became as under law, though I myself am not under law, in order to gain those under law. 21 To those without law I became as without law, although I am not without law toward God but under law toward Christ, in order to gain those without law. 22 To the weak I became weak, in order to gain the weak. I have become all things to people of all sorts, so that I might by all possible means save some. 23 But I do all things for the sake of the good news, in order to share it with others. Early Christianity started out in the context of Judaism, which had become steeped in end-of-the-world eschatology, and the legalism of the Pharisees. But end-of-the-world eschatology, although dangerous to Christianity on its own (per Jesus), still naturally drew out crowds of people who sighed and groaned over the injustices of their world. They wanted a new heavens and a new earth, and they wanted it as soon as possible. So early Christians would be mistaken to focus on eschatology, but many good Christians, desirous of a new heavens and new earth, would naturally come to Christianity through this path. Jesus gave several illustrations showing why focusing on eschatology was so dangerous to true Christianity, and we have the words of Peter to explain how Christians must transform into those who would be the very same type of person they ought to be, whether the parousia came in their own lifetime, or whether it came 1,000 years after their own lifetime. Another major focus of Jesus' illustrations and teaching was about legalism. Early Christianity was still steeped in Judaism, and still attempted to put Christians under law, even after it was recognized that the Judaic system didn't apply to gentiles. Jesus' illustration in Matthew 24:45 of the unfaithful servants --who would beat their fellow slaves and try to lord it over them when the master was gone-- is a good illustration reminding us of the dangers of both eschatology AND the dangers of legalism/Pharisaism. Paul played both sides of Pharisaism/legalism because he was accused of being an apostate from Judaism. So they asked him to pay for some legalistic customary preparations for the persons going with him to the Temple. (Acts 21:20-24) . . .but they said to him: “You see, brother, how many thousands of believers there are among the Jews, and they are all zealous for the Law. 21 But they have heard it rumored about you that you have been teaching all the Jews among the nations an apostasy from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or to follow the customary practices. 22 What, then, is to be done about it? They are certainly going to hear that you have arrived. 23 So do what we tell you: We have four men who have put themselves under a vow. 24 Take these men with you and cleanse yourself ceremonially together with them and take care of their expenses, so that they may have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know that there is nothing to the rumors they were told about you, but that you are walking orderly and you are also keeping the Law. So rather than claiming that the GB have gone off track, I believe they are continually getting more and more ON track. I believe they naturally started partly off-track as would be expected with a very eschatological Russell and a very legalistic Rutherford. But all the while, it was the right kind of heart condition being attracted to and joining into the religion -- a religion with a greater focus on the type of person we ought to be for Jehovah, for ourselves and for one another. This was much like the form of Judaism that naturally made persons fit for transformation into Christianity. Legalistic Judaism was like a tutor leading to Christ. But we must still be transformed. Paul played both sides in order to win more persons over to Christ. To Jews he became a Jew. To Greeks he became a Greek. Still the core of the religion itself is one that does perhaps the best job of all religions in fighting the machinations of the Devil: avoiding taking one side over another in politics and war, pointing out the unchristian influences on supposedly Christian traditions, and pointing out the value of Christian morality, and unity of purpose in preaching, meeting together, etc. To me these are the most important things. Granted the Pharisaism still keeps us hanging on to rules (like turning in time so that our right hand and our left can distinguish different types of Christian service, and misuse of the two-witness rule so that mercy and protection of children has often been sacrificed, etc.). And eschatology will keep rearing its head now and then, too. But these things are getting better over time, getting more on-track, not off-track. Pharisees don't want to be questioned, but we must all take our Christian duty and responsibility very seriously. We must question. We must make sure of all things. And we can only expect more questioning as more persons from all walks of life keep coming into the organization. I find that this forum is still a fair enough place to question and get feedback to help test whether those questions are on the right track.
  25. 3 points
    And what if you were baptized before they changed the wording (from dedication to Jehovah to dedication to organization)?
  26. 3 points
    Question: how does a membership contract apply to a minor? Wouldn't such contracts be null and void - if not illegal because a minor can't sign such a contract?
  27. 3 points
    Jack Ryan

    Baptismal questions

    There seems to be a quiet drift towards removal of any claim of inspiration or infallibility. When the Feb. 2017 Watchtower did this, it must have been for a reason, almost certainly legal. There's no benefit in admitting their lack of Divine direction otherwise, it's a fundamental part of their scam. What does the Legal Dept. foresee? Is this change designed to steer towards a deeper legal claim of a contract, as against EU regulations?
  28. 3 points
    Someone has to take out the trash.
  29. 3 points
    Would a Hebrew have understood the prohibition on pork as meaning he had to avoid "major" pig fractions (ham, bacon, ribs) but "minor" pig fractions like pickled feet and fried pork rinds were ok?
  30. 3 points
    Until you fully understand scripture and not distort it like, witness, then you can have a rational thought. This just proves your lack of intelligence, and you prefer like any other apostate to equal your failures with gibberish. You see, I can downvote to. 😉
  31. 3 points
    Does she have to wear that A around her neck for the rest of her life? (Not sure if that's a reference to Samuel Taylor Coleridge or Nathaniel Hawthorne. I guess it all depends on what the meaning of "A" is.)
  32. 3 points
    We are famously loyal. Here’s what happens to the home of whoever says we are not:
  33. 3 points
    Outta Here

    How many ribs did Adam have?

    Jehovah himself invented joking and laughs at his own: Awake April 8 1979: "When you observe the playful antics of baby kittens or watch otters zipping down a mud slide and splashing into a pond, do you not discern something about their Maker? He must be a happy Person. Certainly a God that created a monkey must himself have a sense of humor." Jehovah also uses humor in his teaching. We can see this at Isaiah 44:14-17 Jesus followed this pattern and injected humor into his teaching also, paticularly in the use of hyperbole (rafters, camels, etc): WT August 15 2003: "Jesus was not a tight-lipped martinet. He was warm and friendly. For Christians today, a sense of humor can lighten the gloom in times of stress." And also, a good sense of humor and a positive disposition can help us cope with health problems: Awake April 22 2005: "Why is a good sense of humor effective as a healer? Because it is a quality that allows us to handle situations in a positive way, even in the face of unfavorable circumstances.“By including humor and laughter in our daily lives, we maintain our energy level, we alleviate fatigue, and we expel self-pity,” " It is important to recognise that humor is very personal, just like taste and color. I understood @The Librarianto be injecting a bit of humor with this post, but what may be funny to one person may be taken seriously by someone else, and even seem like an insult to another. The Awake 8 Sep 1980 is enlightening on cultural differences in humor, and we should, of course, be sensitive to the feelings of others in this regard. Rom.14:1. But it is important to keep a sense of proportion and not to take ourselves too seriously. Otherwise we may feel unecessarily upset when the other person was only ribbing us!
  34. 3 points
  35. 3 points
    JW Insider

    How many ribs did Adam have?

    Circuit Overseer told a joke about how Eve would count Adam's ribs while he was sleeping to see if he had another woman.
  36. 3 points
    LOL. I'm always happy to address a challenge. In this case you have claimed that I stole unauthorized material, perhaps hoping to use it against the Watchtower, somehow. I did not steal anything. And I'm not sure what would make certain material "unauthorized." I suppose you could argue that only material that was published in our publications was authorized. But does that mean that everything else that any Bethelite saved or collected must be destroyed? Really? Also, this first letter I shared actually went out to a sister and was therefore "published" (with only minor alterations) and the material was reused for future letters on the topic. I have three letters from Governing Body members that were written to me personally. Should I destroy them? One was a letter of recommendation to help me get a secular job after I left Bethel. Do you really think we should be ashamed of or hide anything that goes on behind the scenes at Bethel? You think that we shouldn't talk about any of these things, or that we shouldn't share anything that was written? You appear to be afraid that this material I saved could be used against the Watchtower, somehow. Anything that I kept, I saved out of a spirit of appreciation for the experience I had at Bethel, which was a wonderful experience. I wanted to remember it and I kept things that would help me remember it. If I had wanted to find a way to use them against the Watchtower, I don't think I would have waited about 40 years to share them. I admit that I have also shared experiences from Bethel that we could (and should) learn from. Even a negative experience could be profitable to others. I find that most people hold back on this count because they think that certain types of negative experiences cannot be profitable to anyone. This flies in face of scripture. Did Paul hold back from telling the Galatians and Corinthians about negative experiences? Did Jesus hold back? Did not Paul say we should be imitators of Paul himself? (Acts 20:20) while I did not hold back from telling you any of the things that were profitable . . . (1 Corinthians 10:6-12) . . .Now these things became examples for us, in order for us not to desire injurious things, as they desired them. 7 Neither become idolaters, as some of them did; just as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink. Then they got up to have a good time.” 8 Neither let us practice sexual immorality, as some of them committed sexual immorality, . . . 11 Now these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for a warning to us upon whom the ends of the systems of things have come. 12 So let the one who thinks he is standing beware that he does not fall. (1 Corinthians 4:14-5:6) 14 I am writing these things, not to put you to shame, but to admonish you as my beloved children. . . . 16 I urge you, therefore, become imitators of me. . . . 18 Some are puffed up with pride,. . . 5 Actually sexual immorality is reported among you, and such immorality as is not even found among the nations. . . 6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough? Neither Jesus nor Paul held back from sharing things that were profitable, both old and new. (Matthew 13:51, 52) . . .” 52 Then he said to them: “That being the case, every public instructor who is taught about the Kingdom of the heavens is like a man, the master of the house, who brings out of his treasure store things both new and old.” (Mark 4:22) . . .For there is nothing hidden that will not be exposed; nothing is carefully concealed that will not come out in the open.
  37. 3 points
    Being as tall as I am, living in the future is no picnic. Keep getting hit by flying cars.
  38. 2 points
    How does that prevent them from being part of the body? How ignorant do you want to be? The question was not answered but superimposed to include another factor without clarifying the first. Therefore, the spiritual child you reverted back to is yourself. the blindness and ignorance with anything Biblical, you just as, witness have reverted to spiritual nothingness. Meaning your behavior against the Watchtower and its leaders have no credibility and less defense in your sultry application of scripture. Relearn scripture before thinking of applying it in an intelligent way. Meanwhile, what part of your attitude against the GB makes you a Christian in your distorted mind. Give me a good example from Christ words? Try not to evade the question like, witness, that is confused on who comprises the body of Christ. Show some kind of intelligence by thinking for yourself and apply a proper text.
  39. 2 points
    Policy of the United States of America in the 1800's: "All men are created equal, and are endowed by theit Creator with certain unalienable rights. Among these are Life, Liberty, and the persuit of happiness" - Thomas Jefferson Reality in the United States of America in the 1880s: "The only good Indian, is a dead Indian" And half the nation was controlled by Democrats and had a whole race of men and women enslaved. "Policy is one thing ..... reality is quite another." In fact. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the first statement, was a slave owner. It's always been about money. It's about money now. "Follow the Money!" Money ..... always tells the TRUTH.
  40. 2 points
    RECHERCHONS DES PERLES SPIRITUELLES - SEMAINE DU 20 MAI 2019 - 2 Corinthiens 11-13.docx RECHERCHONS DES PERLES SPIRITUELLES - SEMAINE DU 20 MAI 2019 - 2 Corinthiens 11-13.pdf JOYAUX DE LA PAROLE DE DIEU Recherchons des perles spirituelles (8 min) : 2 Corinthiens 11-13 2 Corinthiens 12:2-4 : Que désignent probablement le « troisième ciel » et le « paradis » ? (w18.12 8 § 10-12). « Je connais un homme qui est en union avec Christ et qui, il y a 14 ans, a été emporté jusqu’au troisième ciel — je ne sais pas si c’était dans son corps ou hors de son corps, mais Dieu le sait. Oui, je connais un tel homme — je ne sais pas si c’était dans son corps ou en dehors de son corps, mais Dieu le sait — qui a été emporté dans le paradis et a entendu des paroles qui ne peuvent pas être rapportées et qu’il n’est pas permis à un homme de dire. » Le « troisième ciel » mentionné en 2 Corinthiens 12:2 désigne probablement le Royaume dirigé par Jésus Christ et les 144 000, autrement dit « le nouveau ciel » (2 Pierre 3:13). Pourquoi « troisième » ? Parce que le Royaume est une domination de la plus haute qualité. Le « paradis » dans lequel Paul a été « emporté » lors d’une vision désigne probablement trois choses qui existeront en même temps dans le monde nouveau : 1) le paradis sur terre à venir, 2) le paradis spirituel, qui existera dans une mesure plus grande encore qu’aujourd’hui, et 3) « le paradis de Dieu » au ciel. - w18.12 8 § 10-12 L’apôtre Paul parle d’un homme qui fut “ emporté [...] jusqu’au troisième ciel ” et “ dans le paradis ”. Puisque les Écritures ne parlent d’aucune autre personne qui aurait connu un tel phénomène, il est plausible qu’il s’agisse de ce que Paul lui-même avait vécu. Certains ont cherché à rapprocher l’expression de Paul, “ troisième ciel ”, et l’idée ancienne des rabbins selon laquelle il y aurait plusieurs niveaux dans le ciel, voire “ sept cieux ” au total. Mais les Écritures n’appuient nullement cette pensée. Comme on l’a vu, elles ne disent pas que les cieux sont divisés en niveaux. Il faut plutôt compter sur le contexte pour déterminer s’il s’agit des cieux à l’intérieur de l’étendue atmosphérique de la terre, des cieux de l’espace sidéral, des cieux spirituels ou d’autre chose encore. Il semble que l’expression “ troisième ciel ” désigne la forme la plus élevée de domination : celle du Royaume messianique. – it-1 p473 Jésus Christ dirige actuellement une immense œuvre de construction spirituelle. Elle concerne un paradis spirituel qui, comme l’arche en son temps, vise à assurer la sécurité et la survie des pratiquants du vrai culte. Pour être sauvés lors de la grande tribulation, il nous faut rester à l’intérieur de ce paradis. Tout autour, c’est le monde de Satan, prêt à engloutir tous ceux qui tomberont dans la somnolence spirituelle. Nous devons donc impérativement ‘ veiller ’ et nous montrer prêts pour le jour de Jéhovah. – TG2003 15/12 p19 §22 L’expression « paradis spirituel » fait partie de notre vocabulaire théocratique. Elle désigne la condition dans laquelle nous nous trouvons, un environnement exceptionnel et d’une grande richesse spirituelle, qui nous permet d’être en paix avec Dieu et avec nos frères. Bien sûr, nous ne devrions pas en conclure que les expressions « paradis spirituel » et « temple spirituel » sont synonymes. Le temple spirituel, c’est les dispositions relatives au vrai culte prises par Dieu. Le paradis spirituel permet quant à lui de reconnaître clairement ceux qui ont l’approbation de Dieu et qui le servent aujourd’hui dans le temple spirituel 6 TG2015 15/7 §10 2 Corinthiens 13:12 : Que désigne apparemment l’expression « un saint baiser » ? (it-1 753 § 5). « Saluez-vous les uns les autres par un saint baiser. » Le “ saint baiser ”. Les premiers chrétiens pratiquaient le “ saint baiser ” (Rm 16:16 ; 1Co 16:20 ; 2Co 13:12 ; 1Th 5:26) ou “ baiser d’amour ” (1P 5:14) qui ne s’échangeait peut-être qu’entre personnes du même sexe. Il est possible que cette forme de salutation des premiers chrétiens corresponde à la coutume qu’avaient les anciens Hébreux de se saluer par un baiser. Bien que les Écritures ne fournissent aucun détail à ce sujet, le “ saint baiser ” ou “ baiser d’amour ” reflétait de toute évidence l’amour sain et l’unité qui régnaient dans la congrégation chrétienne. — Jn 13:34, 35. - it-1 753 § 5 L’apôtre Paul encourageait les chrétiens du premier siècle à se ‘saluer l’un l’autre par un saint baiser’. (Rom. 16:16 ; I Cor. 16:20 ; II Cor. 13:12 ; I Thess. 5:26.) De son côté, l’apôtre Pierre les exhorta dans le même esprit en disant : “Saluez-vous les uns les autres par un baiser d’amour.” (I Pierre 5:14). Bien que la Bible ne fasse pas connaître les détails relatifs à cette coutume en vigueur chez les chrétiens du premier siècle, un examen rapide de cette habitude d’embrasser courante chez les Hébreux éclairera un peu la question Dans les temps bibliques, le baiser était un signe d’affection chez des hommes liés par une amitié profonde (II Sam. 19:39 ; Actes 20:37). Ces marques d’amitié et d’affection pourraient sembler étranges à des personnes qui ont appris à se montrer plus réservées dans l’expression de leurs sentiments. Mais pour les gens de ce temps-là, le baiser n’était pas plus extraordinaire que ne l’est aujourd’hui une cordiale poignée de main échangée entre bons amis. Paul et Pierre n’introduisaient pas une nouvelle coutume chrétienne ou un rite religieux solennel. Ils observaient plutôt une coutume déjà établie à leur époque. Chez les chrétiens, il ne s’agissait pas d’une simple formalité, mais le baiser était le reflet des relations fraternelles et de l’unité spirituelle qui régnaient parmi ceux que le vrai culte avait réunis. Quand des frères chrétiens se saluaient “l’un l’autre par un saint baiser”, ce baiser ne présentait aucune familiarité indécente ni aucun caractère scandaleux. C’était une marque d’affection pieuse et chaste. Les vrais chrétiens de notre époque cultivent aussi cette affection et cette fraternité étroites, chaudes et chastes, même si la coutume locale en matière de salutations n’est pas la même – TG1969 p319 Paul dit aux Romains de ‘se saluer les uns les autres par un saint baiser’. Par ces mots, cependant, il n’inaugurait pas un nouvel usage chrétien ou un rite religieux. À son époque, il était fréquent que l’on donne un baiser sur le front, sur les lèvres ou sur la main en signe d’accueil, d’affection ou de respect. Par conséquent, dans ce texte Paul faisait simplement allusion à une coutume courante de son temps. — Romains 16:16. – TG1990 1/8 Qu’est-ce que la lecture biblique de cette semaine t’a appris sur Jéhovah ? LA PERSÉCUTION : UN SIGNE DE LA DÉSAPPROBATION DE DIEU ? Si un gouvernement interdisait notre culte, nous pourrions en conclure à tort que nous n’avons pas la bénédiction de Jéhovah. Mais n’oublie pas : la persécution n’est pas le signe que Jéhovah est mécontent de nous. Pense à l’apôtre Paul. Il avait l’approbation de Dieu, c’est certain. Il a eu l’honneur d’écrire 14 lettres des Écritures grecques chrétiennes, et il a été « apôtre des nations ». Pourtant, il a été durement persécuté (2 Corinthiens 11:23-27). Ce que Paul a subi nous enseigne que Jéhovah permet que ses fidèles serviteurs soient persécutés. – TG2019/7 p8 §3 La Bible déclare : « Quoi que ce soit que nous demandions selon sa volonté, il nous entend » (1 Jean 5:14). Est-ce à dire que Dieu accorde automatiquement à ses adorateurs tout ce qu’ils demandent ? Pas forcément. Réfléchissez au cas de l’apôtre Paul : Par trois fois, il a supplié Dieu de lui ôter « une épine dans la chair » (2 Corinthiens 12:7, 8). Il s’agissait peut-être d’une maladie oculaire chronique. Ce devait être très frustrant pour lui ! En effet, il avait reçu le don de guérison et il avait même réalisé une résurrection. Pourtant, il devait endurer sa propre maladie. Même si ses supplications n’ont pas eu le résultat qu’il voulait, Paul a accepté la réponse de Dieu avec reconnaissance (2 Corinthiens 12:9, 10). Comme Paul, aujourd’hui les adorateurs de Dieu doivent parfois persévérer dans la prière avant de percevoir la réponse de Dieu ou accepté la réponse de Dieu avec reconnaissance – TG2014 1/ 4 p5 Lorsqu’il évoquait son “ épine dans la chair ”, Paul a observé que la puissance du Christ était “ comme une tente ” au-dessus de lui (2 Cor. 12:7-9). Il sentait que Dieu le protégeait par le moyen de Christ, tout comme celui qui se trouve dans une tente se sent protégé des éléments. De même que Paul, nous ne sommes pas obligés de céder à nos faiblesses ni de nous laisser écraser par nos problèmes. Pour rester spirituellement forts, mettons à profit toutes les dispositions que Jéhovah prend par l’intermédiaire de son organisation. Faisons tout ce qui est humainement possible de faire, puis tournons-nous vers Jéhovah avec la totale conviction qu’il guidera nos pas. Quand nous constaterons de quelle façon la puissance de Dieu nous aide à vaincre nos faiblesses, nous pourrons dire, comme Paul : “ Lorsque je suis faible, c’est alors que je suis puissant. ” 2 Cor. 12:10. TG2008 15/6 p6 En réponse aux prières de Paul, Dieu dit : “ Ma faveur imméritée te suffit ; car ma puissance est en train d’être rendue parfaite dans la faiblesse. ” Paul déclare à son tour : “ Très volontiers donc je me glorifierai plutôt pour ce qui est de mes faiblesses, pour que la puissance du Christ reste au-dessus de moi comme une tente. ” (2 Corinthiens 12:9). Ainsi, Paul avait constaté que, par l’intermédiaire de Christ, la puissance protectrice de Dieu le couvrait, telle une tente. Aujourd’hui, Jéhovah répond à nos prières de la même façon. Il étend au-dessus de nous sa protection, telle une tente. Bien entendu, une tente n’empêche pas la pluie de tomber ni le vent de souffler, mais elle fournit une certaine protection contre les éléments. De même, l’abri dont nous disposons par “ la puissance du Christ ” n’empêche pas les épreuves de fondre sur nous ni les malheurs de s’abattre. Toutefois, il nous procure une protection spirituelle contre les éléments déchaînés de ce monde et contre les attaques de son chef, Satan. Comme Paul, peut-être subissez-vous actuellement une épreuve persistante. Si Jéhovah semble ne rien faire, est-ce parce qu’il est inconscient de votre situation ou qu’il se désintéresse de vous ? La réponse est un non catégorique ! Jéhovah se préoccupe au plus haut point de chacun de ses fidèles. Par conséquent, même si vous endurez une épreuve qui ‘ ne s’écarte pas de vous ’, vous pouvez être convaincu que Jéhovah est conscient de votre lutte et qu’il a répondu au ‘ bruit de votre clameur ’. – TG2006 15/12 p24 §17,18 Quelles que soient nos capacités, ce que nous pouvons accomplir par nos propres forces est limité. C’est un fait que nous devons tous admettre. Prenons l’exemple de l’apôtre Paul. Malgré ses nombreuses capacités, il avait des limites qui l’empêchaient de faire tout ce qu’il souhaitait. Quand il a prié à ce sujet, Jéhovah lui a répondu : « Ma puissance est en train d’être rendue parfaite dans la faiblesse. » Paul a compris la leçon. C’est pourquoi il a dit : « Lorsque je suis faible, c’est alors que je suis puissant » (2 Cor. 12:7-10). Que voulait-il dire ? Paul avait compris que ce qu’il pouvait faire par lui-même était limité. Il avait besoin de l’aide de quelqu’un de bien plus puissant. Dieu, par son esprit saint, pouvait le fortifier quand il se sentait faible. Mais il pouvait aussi lui donner la capacité de faire des choses qu’il n’aurait jamais pu accomplir tout seul. C’est pareil pour nous. Jéhovah, par son esprit saint, peut nous rendre vraiment forts – TG2018/1 §9 L’apôtre Paul était heureux d’être “ entièrement dépensé ” pour son ministère chrétien (2 Cor. 12:15). Pareillement aujourd’hui, de nombreux chrétiens œuvrent diligemment comme pionniers. D’autres, chargés de lourdes responsabilités familiales, ménagent dans leur emploi du temps bien rempli de la place pour participer chaque semaine au ministère. D’autres encore, qui ont de graves ennuis de santé, utilisent leur peu d’énergie pour soutenir la cause du Royaume. N’est-il pas encourageant de voir les serviteurs de Dieu, quel que soit leur âge ou leur situation, se dépenser au service de Jéhovah ? – km2007/6 p1 L’apôtre Paul a appelé notre Créateur “ le Dieu d’amour et de paix ”. (2 Corinthiens 13:11.) Pourquoi ?. Parce qu’il aimait profondément les humains, Dieu a offert son Fils bien-aimé en rançon, donnant à quiconque exerce la foi en lui la possibilité de vivre éternellement après avoir été libéré de la souffrance qui résulte du péché. Cela ne nous incite-t-il pas à aimer Dieu et à nous approcher de lui ? Dieu manifeste son amour non seulement aux humains dans leur ensemble, mais aussi à chaque personne en particulier qui a foi en lui. – TG2008 1/9 p5 Quelles autres perles spirituelles as-tu découvertes dans la lecture biblique de cette semaine ? Rappelons-nous comment Satan s’y est pris pour tromper Ève. L’apôtre Paul a écrit : “ J’ai peur que d’une manière ou d’une autre — comme le serpent a séduit Ève par sa ruse — votre intelligence ne se corrompe loin du Christ. ” (2 Corinthiens 11:3). En se servant d’un serpent, un animal d’ordinaire prudent, Satan a séduit Ève : il l’a persuadée d’adopter une conduite aux conséquences désastreuses. Pour cela, il s’est efforcé de corrompre son intelligence, de fausser son raisonnement. Sa tactique a réussi. Ève l’a écouté, et sa façon de voir les choses a changé : ce qui était répréhensible est devenu désirable. Son intelligence ayant été corrompue, il devenait facile d’amener Ève à commettre un péché. Satan n’a pas changé. Son principe de base reste le même : corrompre l’intelligence de sorte que les péchés s’ensuivent. Pour diffuser sa propagande, Satan dispose de la politique, de la religion, du commerce et des divertissements du système actuel. Les chrétiens ne sont pas à l’abri des méthodes de Satan. Heureusement, Jéhovah nous avertit des méthodes de Satan – Livre Amour de Dieu p192 Paul ne considérait pas son métier comme une vocation ou une carrière. Il ne l’exerçait que pour subvenir à ses besoins dans le ministère, pour annoncer la bonne nouvelle ‘ sans qu’il en coûte rien ’ à personne (2 Cor. 11:7). Et Priscille et Aquila, comment considéraient-ils leur travail profane ? Certainement comme Paul, puisqu’ils étaient chrétiens. D’ailleurs, quand Paul a quitté Corinthe en 52, ils ont déménagé et l’ont suivi à Éphèse, où leur maison a servi de lieu de réunion pour la congrégation locale (1 Cor. 16:19). Plus tard, ils sont revenus à Rome, puis de nouveau à Éphèse. Ces croyants zélés donnaient la priorité aux intérêts du Royaume et se sont dépensés volontiers au service des autres, ce qui leur a valu la gratitude de “ toutes les congrégations des nations ”. Aujourd’hui, les chrétiens imitent Paul, Aquila et Priscille. Ainsi, des ministres zélés font tout “ pour n’imposer de fardeau coûteux à personne ”. Dignes d’éloges, beaucoup de prédicateurs à plein temps travaillent à temps partiel ou comme saisonniers pour gagner leur vie tout en suivant leur vocation, le ministère chrétien. Comme Aquila et Priscille, beaucoup de serviteurs de Jéhovah ouvrent cordialement leur foyer aux responsables de circonscription – Livre Rends témoignage p148-150. Vers l’an 55, Paul envoya Tite à Corinthe pour qu’il aide la congrégation à rassembler les dons destinés aux chrétiens de Judée qui se trouvaient dans le besoin, et peut-être aussi pour voir si elle suivait les conseils qu’il lui avait adressés. Écrivant par la suite aux Corinthiens, Paul leur rappela la visite encore récente de Tite et leur posa cette question: “Est-ce que Tite vous a tant soit peu exploités? N’avons-nous pas marché dans le même esprit ? sur les mêmes traces?” (2 Corinthiens 12:18). Qu’entendait Paul par marcher “dans le même esprit” et “sur les mêmes traces”? L’apôtre indiquait par-là que Tite et lui œuvraient dans l’unité. Tite accompagnait parfois Paul dans ses voyages, et nul doute qu’il avait beaucoup appris grâce à lui. Toutefois, l’unité qui existait entre les deux hommes avait un fondement plus solide: tous deux entretenaient de belles relations avec Jéhovah et suivaient les traces de Christ; oui, Tite imitait Paul comme Paul imitait le Christ. Par conséquent, c’est dans l’esprit de Jésus et sur ses traces que marchaient ces deux disciples. Il n’est donc pas étonnant que les vrais chrétiens, qui marchent “dans le même esprit” et sur “les mêmes traces” que Paul et Tite, jouissent d’une unité incomparable - TG 1988 1/5 p16 §3-5 13:5. ‘ ’Examinez-vous sans cesse pour voir si vous êtes dans la foi » implique de juger notre conduite d’après ce que nous apprenons de la Bible. ‘ S’examiner ce que nous sommes nous-mêmes ’ signifie évaluer notre niveau de spiritualité, notamment la finesse de nos “ facultés de perception ” et l’étendue de nos œuvres de foi. Appliquons le sage conseil de Paul, et nous continuerons à marcher sur la voie de la vérité. – TG2008 15/7 p28 L’apôtre Paul a fourni certains moyens de cultiver un point de vue positif. Il a adressé cette exhortation à la congrégation de Corinthe : « Examinez-vous sans cesse pour voir si vous êtes dans la foi ; vérifiez sans cesse ce que vous êtes vous-mêmes. (2 Cor. 13:5). « La foi » désigne l’ensemble des croyances révélées dans la Bible. Si nos paroles et nos actes sont en accord avec ces croyances, nous passons l’épreuve avec succès : nous montrons que nous sommes « dans la foi ». Bien sûr, nous devons comparer notre vie avec l’intégralité des enseignements chrétiens. Il n’est pas question de faire un tri en fonction de nos préférences. Tu hésites peut-être à te soumettre à cette épreuve, surtout si tu as peur d’échouer. Pourtant, le regard que Jéhovah porte sur nous est plus important que le nôtre et ses pensées bien plus hautes que les nôtres. Dieu observe ses adorateurs, non pour les condamner, mais pour découvrir leurs qualités et leur venir en aide. Si tu te sers de sa Parole « pour voir si tu es dans la foi », tu te verras davantage comme lui te voit. Cette démarche peut t’aider à remplacer l’idée selon laquelle tu n’as pas de valeur à ses yeux par cette assurance biblique : Tu es précieux aux yeux de Jéhovah. Et là, ce sera comme si les rideaux d’une pièce plongée dans le noir s’ouvraient pour laisser entrer le soleil. Une bonne façon de mener cet examen personnel consiste à méditer sur l’exemple de fidèles dont parle la Bible. Compare leur situation ou leurs sentiments aux tiens, et demande-toi ce que tu aurais fait à leur place. – TG2014 15/3 p13 §5-7 En 33 de notre ère, le Diable a meurtri la Semence, Jésus Christ, en provoquant sa mort. Ce faisant, Satan accomplissait l’Écriture et apportait par là même la preuve, bien que ce ne fût évidemment pas son intention, que Jéhovah est un Dieu de vérité. Sa haine de la vérité et de la justice ainsi que son attitude d’esprit orgueilleuse et non repentante l’ont conduit à faire exactement ce que Dieu avait prédit. Ainsi, pour tout opposant à la vérité, fût-ce Satan en personne, se vérifie ce principe : “ Nous ne pouvons rien faire contre la vérité, mais seulement pour la vérité. ” — 2 Corinthiens 13:8. – TG1997 1/6 p9 Les chrétiens sont semblables à des bateaux dans l’océan de l’humanité. Notre objectif est d’“être finalement trouvés par Jéhovah sans tache et sans défaut, et dans la paix”. (2 Pierre 3:14.) Mais tout comme pour un bateau, des forces, internes et externes, tendent à nous faire dévier. Par conséquent, combien sont appropriées ces paroles que Paul a adressées aux Corinthiens: « nous prions : pour votre redressement.’ continuez à vous laisser redresser »— 2 Corinthiens 13:9, 11. À notre époque, les Témoins de Jéhovah doivent eux aussi travailler à leur redressement. Satan le Diable ‘fait la guerre’ contre nous, s’efforçant fébrilement de briser notre intégrité. Nous devons également faire sans cesse la guerre à nos tendances pécheresses héréditaires. Sans un redressement constant, nous pourrions facilement dévier – TG1990 1/11 p29-31
  41. 2 points
    What do you believe is going on with these texts citation? Are you somehow comparing the Watchtower to be praying to the "false" god BAAL? how ensidious that is.
  42. 2 points
    What does sex education teach children? Most of the time, they teach safe sex, the idea of overpopulation and teen pregnancy. They teach about infectious diseases. But do they teach abstinence? Why wait to have sex until marriage. Bible understanding. The right to sex as a married couple, not homosexuality, Desire of the flesh, self-gratification. Do these things need to be reminded? 1. Sexual Pedagogies: Sex Education in Britain, Australia, and America, 1879–2000 (2004) 2. Understanding Sex and Relationship Education, Youth and Class: A Youth Work-Led Approach-(2013) 3. The Feminist Bestseller: From Sex and the Single Girl to Sex and the City-(2005) 4. Not The Marrying Kind: A Feminist Critique of Same-Sex Marriage-(2012) 5. Global Perspectives and Key Debates in Sex and Relationships Education: Addressing Issues of Gender, Sexuality, Plurality and Power-(2016) 6. Shaping Sexual Knowledge: A Cultural History of Sex Education in Twentieth Century Europe-(2008) 7. Risky Lessons: Sex Education and Social Inequality-(2008) I believe you have just made a good argument for people like you and John about sanity. 2. I would research wherein the JWorg are those videos. 3. If they are there, what is the actual intent of those videos? 4. The credibility of why ex-witnesses are posting these videos. I can pretend to be a witness, make an outrageous video, post it in YouTube and pretend it came from the Watchtower. With today’s technology, anything is possible. My question to you, you continue to imply you’re a witness, why would you be so concerned about what ex-witnesses have to say, unless you are in the same position they are, and you are pretending just like they are. Pretending is not the conduct of a sane person. But if you agree with John Cedars and apostates from the ’80s, then you must believe Lloyd Evans. It seems to me TrueTom would be able to determine if these people are one in the same person since he has dealt with Evans in the past. Or is it something he doesn’t wish to divulge about his buddy. Can it be, this commentator John is that John? Anywho’, there’s also a video for women. Pillowgate & the Bethel Stories behind It ~ exJehovah’s Witnesses exJW Watchtower Can it be you’re not capable of keeping your head out of the gutter anymore that you have to advertise and promote apostate driven material here?
  43. 2 points
    in what sense was Jesus breaking God's covenant. You seem to forget, starting from the ancient Israelites, Jews along with their ancestors broke God's commandments. The "fact" that Jesus started including everyone, including those that were lost and those that never knew God's Laws, cannot be viewed as breaking them. Remember, scripture, with Jesus words, I did not come here to abolish the laws but to extend them to include, what? Matthew 5:17 his provision of the laws already there. This set a theme for Christ followers to inherit the new understanding. Therefore, Jesus set a pattern for Christian ethics and standards, modern disciples, as well as the old, would need to obey if they were looking toward, personal salvation. You need to look at those distinctions before you commit to scriptural law. Enjoy, your day Srecko!
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    James Thomas Rook Jr By not answering, you are declining my offer, in essence saying you won't accept my challenge, so what’s the difference in that puzzled mind of yours. However, I didn’t say no, I declined your offer under the terms you gave. Why flush good money down the toilet. Knows that’s the difference in arrogance. Do you have a humorless cartoon to go along with your evasiveness?
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  47. 2 points
    Outta Here

    How many ribs did Adam have?

    Ya never heard of spare rib???
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    That would conclude by this, that JWinsider, Srecko Sostar, James Thomas Jr, witness, and anyone else you wish to add to this list is one and the same. Am I dealing with children or adults? At least give me that in order to understand. I believe Witness mentioned honesty and integrity. How is this accomplished by this deception? I find it interesting when people do endless fishing, and never catch anything. Witness made a good observation “The arrows help identify the character” that identified the character of the same person using multiple accounts as you indicate. That means he just exposed the identity of the character of the same person using multiple accounts mentioned above. It appears, every time Foreigner downvotes, Srecko Sostar, and James Thomas Rook Jr come behind and upvote. I wonder if this is how you contemplate and target people you don’t wish to be on this site. Either way, I find your analogy child’s play. If you are a witness, a little maturity goes a long way. Other than that, just like Witness endless rants of mistaken Christianity, it's a waste of time and bloggers space.
  49. 2 points
    Quite a nice letter.
  50. 2 points
    The Vatican 1933 Concordat, signed July 20, 1933 by Cardinal Pacelli, Vatican Secretary of State (Papel Nuncio), was a "Holy Covenant" between the Vatican and the Third Reich, stipulating that in Germany and German controlled lands, the Catholic Church would be the ONLY officially approved Church ... and the Nazi Party would be the ONLY official political party of German Catholics. Before the Church could appoint any clergy, they had to be vetted and approved by the Nazi Party. Later, during WWII, Cardinal Pacelli became Pope Pius XII and was referred to as "Hitler's Pope". During the times of the Vietnam war, a NY play about this was produced called "The Deputy", which sparked rioting and protests. In the mutual quest to control the world, The "Universal" wannabe Catholic Church "bet on the wrong horse"

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