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    The Librarian

    Baptismal questions

    *** w1955 7/1 411 Christian Baptism for the New World Society *** 15 A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit. This shows, among other things, that Christianity is not a denominational affair, that sects have nothing to do with it. “Does the Christ exist divided? Paul was not impaled for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I am thankful I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.”—1 Cor. 1:13-15, NW. *** w1966 10/1 603-4 Serving with Everlasting Life in View *** 15 This is what we mean when we dedicate our lives to Jehovah. We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. This makes dedication a very personal relationship between us and Jehovah. -------------------------------------- *** w1958 8/1 478 Baptism *** 22 It is essential that with the mouth a public declaration of faith be made. Two questions are therefore asked the candidates: (1) Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ? (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 23 Everyone who can answer “Yes” to these questions is eligible for baptism and should take this step without hesitation or delay. *** w1960 5/15 308 "What Prevents Me from Getting Baptized?" *** 23 The first question is: Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ? 24 The second question is: On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 25 Everyone who has answered “Yes” to these two questions is eligible for baptism and should be baptized at that same circuit or district assembly of Jehovah’s witnesses. *** w1973 5/1 280 Baptizing Follows Discipling *** we suggest that you consider the following two questions, which are asked of candidates for baptism: (1) Have you repented of your sins and turned around, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his SonJesus Christ? (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? If you find that you can answer “YES” to these questions, then it would be appropriate for you to speak to the presiding overseer in the congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses with which you associate, with a view to getting baptized. ------------------------------------ *** w1985 6/1 30 Subjecting Ourselves to Jehovah by Dedication *** The first question is: On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will? The second is: Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism. *** w1987 4/15 12 Gaining Peace With God Through Dedication and Baptism *** By baptism you identify yourself as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s worldwide congregation. *** w87 4/15 12 Gaining Peace With God Through Dedication and Baptism *** Recently the two questions addressed to baptismal candidates were simplified so that candidates could answer with full comprehension of what is involved in coming into intimate relationship with God and his earthly organization. *** w1989 1/15 13 What Prevents You From Getting Baptized? *** for the first of two questions the speaker asks them is: “On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?” Only if the individual answers in the affirmative and also understands that his dedication and baptism identify him as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization can he acceptably undergo water immersion. *** knowledge 176 18 Make It Your Aim to Serve God Forever *** Baptism ‘in the name of the holy spirit’ signifies that the baptismal candidate recognizes Jehovah’s holy spirit, or active force, as God’s instrument for carrying out His purposes and for empowering His servants to do His righteous will in association with His spirit-directed organization.
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    And what if you were baptized before they changed the wording (from dedication to Jehovah to dedication to organization)?
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    Question: how does a membership contract apply to a minor? Wouldn't such contracts be null and void - if not illegal because a minor can't sign such a contract?
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    OK. No it's not OK. I didn't happen to see that one, but I don't doubt you. I've seen similar from him. If you thought that what he said was unnecessarily harsh and judgmental, I hope you or someone else said something. Even if he would have felt like "elders" were trying to dominate him, he should know that such statements are as hurtful as more blatant types of bullying. It's the unnecessarily harsh judgment of the person's motives or state of mind that I think we should avoid. I think I remember that from him -- a couple of times, in fact. I didn't take it as overly harsh but I was sensitive to your reaction. Sometimes we choose to reveal a portion of our background and experience in order to add credibility to our comments. In such cases, we legitimately open up that background itself to scrutiny and assumptions about its relevance, or import. BTK regularly tries to discredit my own experiences and background as either false or ill-motivated. He has that right, because I have given him that right in choosing to share my experiences as they relate to my opinions. I think that to some extent you open yourself up to criticism about your own views when you admit that they are based on experiences. If we don't like your opinions on a matter we might feel cornered by your first-hand knowledge of the issue, at least anecdotally. So our best defense is to say that your opinions are "tainted" by your experience instead of "informed" by your experience. It's a very weak response, but for those who come here to learn about people's experiences, the weakness of that kind of argument against the opinion/experiences probably becomes obvious to others. I'll let her answer that. I admit there were some weaknesses in her argument, with respect to addressing your view of the organization, just as I suspect there were weaknesses in all of our responses. But I appreciate you bringing it back to the basics of what she was saying.
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    Of course, this could be part of a sequence that goes 7, 9, __ 13, 15, 17, __ , 21, 23, 25, __ , 29, __ , 33, etc., in which case no number is missing in that portion of the sequence. (In this case it would have been a series of incrementing odd numbers from 7 where we skip odd numbers that match the prime status of the previous number.) It's for a similar reasons that pattern recognition in AI should never be considered "set in stone" but should only be given a probability. The probability was very high that the missing number was 19, but this should be subject to change on discovery of further information. Another example happens all the time to engineers. If you happen to sample the amplitude of a 400 Hz sine wave at time increments of once per second you could get a sequence of 0, 0, 0, 0 ... etc. If you think it's a mistake and sample it 200 times a second you could still get 7, 7, 7, 7, etc., or 0, 0, 0, 0, etc., depending on when the wave starts its peaks and troughs. But you could sample it at some odd number of increments, or accelerate and decelerate the time sampling increments and discover it is a 400 Hz sine wave.
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    I focused on “God’s standards”, but after reading the comment by Srecko and John, I realized I missed this part highlighted : Typically, JWs believe qualifying to be a JW is following God’s standards. One must enter into a religion formulated by men to “qualify” for life, which is why a person becomes a Mormon, a Seventh Day Adventist or a Catholic. They gather their flock and pin them down with rituals to be observed and interpretations called doctrine that must be adhered to. When men rule over men, God’s standards which are based on Christ’s teachings, do not exist. The captive treasure that the Watchtower uses for its unique validation as “the truth”, are the anointed ones. Rev 20:7-9; 13:10 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ. Col 2:8 The “elemental spiritual forces” that instigate the need of an earthly organization, a labeled religion to serve God, is sourced in Satan. The man in the video who is being slandered because of his desire to put faith in the truths of the Bible, is beginning to wake up to this fact. He has every reason to be angry.
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    It's hard to see through them but the rest of the marquee sign includes the jazz musicians that also worked with and behind these "actors" on the film Oceans 11 (1960): [In the Lounge] Jonah Jones Norman Brooks Ann Brooks Red Norvo and Ernie Stewart Trio
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    I was going to add this to another topic but remembered we are told to start new topics, so I've done that. Hope this hasn't been added before but it would take me a month to go through all the topics to see if its on here. It is about the baptism of children, but I also thing it involves making children go on the ministry.
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    "Why did God create mosquitoes" was a question once asked by a reader. I'm late because I've been battling to find that post. However, Monty Python's song "All things dull and ugly", a spoof on "All things bright and beautiful" is very funny.
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    Practice and tolerance of what is wrong, often times comes very quietly and imperceptibly. If the premise is correct; the devil rules the world and seduces people. In that case; devil can and do every trickery to spoil what is true and right and justice/correct. In that light, WTJWORG are NOT IMMUNE on the same. Human History, or if you wish more precisely, Bible History, from Adam to nowadays proves this simple and cruel reality. Every single free moral agent, free will human, proves one and single fact - all are corruptible, can be spoiled by bad and half true or by lie. To have the conviction that an individual or organization is in every respect correct and "having the truth" (religious or some other moral truth) is often the way to appear, to happen just the opposite. Perhaps not necessary on every particular issue. Problem that exist is in this; Organization ask from you, even demand from you to be loyal to all doctrines. They not allows your personal choice to "pick" what you feel as truth, but to carry all what they as Organization found to be The Truth. Sometimes, a certain Dilemma, before which we sometimes find ourselves, is the moment when we can be relieved of the trap of the deception in which we fall. But the liberation process of this kind does not always succeed. The fallacy, which is within us, provides a strong resistance and people around us (power of collective/group), who are loyal to the same deceit, working to encourage us to stay in the trap.
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    citoyenneté céleste

    CITOYENNETÉ Tout comme lorsqu'un résident étranger se voit accorder la citoyenneté, se naturalise et obtient un passeport rendant officielle sa naturalisation, les oints ont reçu un passeport diplomatique leur permettant de parler, confirmant qu'ils sont non seulement des citoyens, mais également des gouverneurs dans le Royaume. (Phil. 3:20) Si un imposteur tente de se faufiler à travers les douanes d'un pays sans visa ni passeport en cours de validité, il sera détenu et pourra être poursuivi en justice. Idem si quelqu'un prétend être oint sans avoir reçu la citoyenneté céleste.
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    The Librarian

    Van McCoy - "The Hustle"

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    The Librarian

    Van McCoy - "The Hustle"

    Poor man left us too soon. 1979 heart attack, he was just 39.
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    JW Dress Rules

    That depends how foolish the thought of allowing children to learn door to door ministry is to people that don’t understand spiritual growth. I believe Jesus was 12 when he sat at the temple. Luke 2:41-52 Was Jesus knocking on doors? No, but he was certainly maturing spiritually from the experience. John was a young man if memory serves. The fundamentals of preaching work regardless of style and application are meant to teach children to receive the benefits of gaining spiritual maturity. I believe Proverbs makes the best case. Proverbs 22:6 New International Version (NIV) 6 Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it. What is door to door preaching if not a stepping stone to spiritual maturity? Unfortunately, those that had that path of knowledge descend or reverted backed to become a spiritual child. Hebrews 6:1-4 New International Version (NIV) 6 Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death,[a] and of faith in God, 2 instruction about cleansing rites,[b] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And God permitting, we will do so. 4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, Matthew 19:13-14 New International Version (NIV) The Little Children and Jesus 13 Then people brought little children to Jesus for him to place his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples rebuked them. 14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Luke 9:47-48 New International Version (NIV) 47 Jesus, knowing their thoughts, took a little child and had him stand beside him. 48 Then he said to them, “Whoever welcomes this little child in my name welcomes me; and whoever welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. For it is the one who is least among you all who is the greatest.” Therefore, those that make a childish claim is unstainable on its own weight. 1 Corinthians 14:20 New International Version (NIV) 20 Brothers and sisters, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults. Since the same can be said, show in scripture where Jesus didn’t use Children? Door to Door ministry is a building block to spiritual maturity by allowing young ones to master their spiritual resolve just like the Apostle themselves learned by Christ as a Great Teacher. Another view that is NOT supported in scripture is the view “witness” holds about Christianity and unity within. Even though I believe witness admitted to video conferencing which is in effect holding membership within its application. I wonder who the Head of that membership is that directs such members in order to criticize and scrutinize them just like witness does with the GB at every turn. A good example is the bylaws seen within OTHER organizations Scriptural basis of Membership 1Corinthians 12:12-27, Romans 12:3-8; Ephesians 4:11-16 ‘Membership’ is a Christian word that has now been used by other organisations. Christians are described as Members of the Body of Christ. This picture is used to show how we need one another. The Head (Jesus) supplies much of his life to us through the prayer, fellowship and ministry of other Members. There is nothing in the New Testament that supports the idea of a solitary Christian life. It’s always assumed that Christians live in community. The epistles are mostly written to Churches and contain much teaching about their life together. Over 50 times the phrase ‘one another’ or something similar is used (e.g. ‘love one another’) Membership Standards (Responsibilities and Commitments) It is glorious privilege to be a Member of the Church, of which Jesus said: “I will build My Church, and the gates of Hell (death) shall not prevail against it” (Matthew 16:18). The Church is established by Jesus Christ Himself as His governmental Assembly in the earth. We represent Him both individually and collectively as a Church. We are called to bear witness to Him and His Gospel and be a demonstration of the manifold wisdom of God to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places” (Ephesians 3:10). Therefore we are required to walk worthy of the high calling by which we are called (Eph 4:1). Church Members are a group of people who love God and want to unite in love and faith with each other in order to be a shining WITNESS to the world of the love and power of Jesus Christ How can someone with animosity and cultural disdain, sowing discourse be part of anything to do with scripture? How can such a senseless person call themselves anointed? That is making a mockery of scripture. Can it be any different by those that promote controversial commentaries to see what opinion other people have?
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    Someone has to take out the trash.
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    The word “garbage” is of course propaganda. The word “waste” would be noteworthy. But I do love the spin. It would fall in line with past thoughts of mistaken Christianity. To our present understanding of the new life in Christ. Rules for Holy living. Put on the new self. Colossians 3:5-14 However, it would be nice to see what the overseer actually said. 😉
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    People should know D’fd people, pretending to be witnesses. I love this kind of propaganda. Especially when a professed “anointed one” in their own mind clearly stated how they wholeheartedly hate deception. Thanks for making my day. 😁 I liked my suicidal wife part. That’s an attention getter to further the cause. Appeal to how society is viewing current events. LOL! 😁 When a true witness understands what the appeal is, they will understand how ones former thoughts were garbage, and now that that stuff has been thrown away, you have graduated from being a spiritual child to spiritual maturity. 😉
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    It really is not about rejecting the organization, it's because not everyone who has faith in God qualifies to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. It's about rejecting God's standards. For example, you may have faith in God, but believe the Trinity. Or you may have faith in God but see nothing wrong with celebrating Christmas, or practicing homosexuality, or living an immoral life style, or smoking......etc.
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    John, You should bring it down a few notches. I should say up front that I am not a moderator but was given some admin privileges only to be able to move posts around and keep topics better organized. So I'm not speaking as any kind of moderator, and I do not have (or condone) the use of those kinds of privileges to discipline or censure people. People can say just about anything they want about another person's beliefs here. But we shouldn't say just anything we want about the individual. We shouldn't presume to impute bad motives or a bad state of mind (as in drunkenness). I didn't want to respond to a matter before hearing it, so I ended up watching the video. (I use the term "watching" loosely. Because it was YouTube, I was able to turn it up to 2x speed and then repeatedly click forward on the red line so skip about 3 seconds and then watch 3 seconds over and over. This gives the general idea of a 10 minute video in just over 2 minutes.) I thought the person sounded angry, perhaps understandably, but also very haughty. I thought it interfered with his message, if not his credibility. Seems he and his wife heard a few statements and we have no idea if he is quoting them exactly or really putting them in context. We have to allow that people have different personalities and different views and reactions, but we can't give credit to an idea just because we agree, and then discredit another view (as naive and drunken, for example) just because we disagree. Instead, we should deal with the subject matter raised, not the specific individual's motives and state of mind. I also fail at this. Many of us do. But I hope you aren't upset that I point it out.

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