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  1. You crack me up Billy. The level in which you interact with others is very telling. Also, it doesn't hurt my feelings if you down vote my posts. It actually makes me smile..........because you read it.
    3 points
  2. This is very good sentence, from which i read next: All and every moment of efforts numbered here (intensive Bible study, organizational experience, faith in Jehovah, meditation and prayer) reveals one side - human efforts, to gain, what? ....these things are combination of preconditions, causes that will, supposedly, result in spiritual guidance (from above). What i see here is, only/solely working (almost fleshly) efforts of particular human who strive to get, to receive something divinely, spiritually from God, by deeds, by work (aka intensive bible study, more preaching, more
    2 points
  3. Spoken like a true arrogant WT lawyer .... or Gerritt Losch. The bottom line is, you said NO, to my challenge.
    2 points
  4. Whether this is deliberate or not is a matter of opinion of course. In any case, I would hesitate to say that anyone makes deliberate mistakes unless they are truly evil. So you are suggesting that the GB are evil. Well, I do not think they are evil. No one condones Pedophilia. You make very general sweeping statements here about what and how Witnesses believe. Most of the Witnesses I know (I would say 99.9%) have a deep and private relationship with God themselves, with Jesus as their mediator. It must be just your idea to somehow involve a third party, the GB, in this relati
    2 points
  5. I had a Brother call me up at 7:30 in the morning, many years ago, asking in desperate need if I had any money I could lend him. I checked my resources, and told him I had $4.00, which I was planning to use for lunch money that day, but he was welcome to that. ...... and he hung up on me. That hamburger at lunch was especially delicious !
    2 points
  6. Inquiry announces new investigation into child protection in religious organisations and settings 2 May 2019 The Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse has announced a new investigation into child protection in religious organisations and settings. The investigation will be thematic and will review the current child protection policies, practices and procedures in religious institutions in England and Wales. Organisations falling under the
    1 point
  7. Like a Roman Catholic Bishop, who was also a General in the Army of Spain once said, when informed that a Spanish Muslim controlled Fortress contained as many Catholics as Muslims, which he was in the process of defeating and chasing from Spain .... "Kill them all, and let God sort them out!".
    1 point
  8. I feel better if I can bring a little laughter and happiness to the world ... it makes me sleep better at night.
    1 point
  9. Well, JWI. Billy himself thought it was funny, and he has no sense of humor whatsoever.
    1 point
  10. Way over the top there, James, don't you think?
    1 point
  11. If you actually do decide to laugh you head off, please have someone video it and put it on YouTube.
    1 point
  12. You surely don't compare your situation with that of Paul's conversion to Christianity do you? Is that the result of your "having studied the bible" yourself? The only similarity apparent is what Jesus said at Acts 26:14. I think you will find that those who "go out" from the Christian congregation due to being of the "wrong sort" actualy fit the description of those in Jesus' illustration of the dragnet as "unsuitable fish" (wrong sort). They are thrown out by the angels, regardless of any illusion they might have of leaving of their own volition. But then of course, as to an indivi
    1 point
  13. Ad copy: Fish tend to avoid it because it slows down the current . . . Translation: The biggest problem is the way it kills so many fish who come up to it because it slows down the current (and might even jam up the turbine, turning it into dam of rotting fish). . . Still, if they can solve that problem with a non-capturing convex rather than a concave mesh screen, for example, it might be an excellent source of off-the-grid power.
    1 point
  14. I was baptized in 1964 .. LONG before they changed the rules, and the words, of the Baptismal Corporation Contract ... which evolved over the years as stated above to its current form. which was substantially finished its evolution in 1985. I have no need to reject the current Corporate fealty oath .... as I was baptized in the name of Jehovah, Christ Jesus, and presumably in the Holy Spirit, which I felt very strongly when I was baptized. in 1964 . ... before politics and lawyer driven agenda driven controls screwed the lid down. Those of you who were baptized AFTER 1985 ... I
    1 point
  15. In the recent Watchtower book, “Pure Worship of Jehovah, Restored at Last!”, it is stated: “In the past, our literature has referred to Christendom as the antitype of apostate Jerusalem. The conditions in unfaithful Jerusalem—including IDOLATRY AND WIDESPREAD CORRUPTION—certainly remind us of what is happening in Christendom. However, in recent years our publications, including the one you are now reading, have not taken the type-antitype approach to prophecy except where the Bible provides a clear basis for doing so. Is there a solid Scriptural basis for referring to Christendom as the A
    1 point
  16. Don't make a practice of granting credit to fellow Witnesses!!!
    1 point
  17. That experience could be used at the next convention. Of course, it could be for other reasons. I know some Witnesses here who don't want other Witnesses doing their lawns and landscaping out of concern for privacy among the friends, or just to avoid business dealings and potential misunderstandings. We also had a brother in our congregation who ran a gas station only a quarter mile from the KH, and he was so taken advantage of that an announcement had to be made from the platform that brothers should pay their debts and not expect credit when doing business with fellow Witnesses.
    1 point
  18. OK. I see where you are coming from on this now. I don't know that the GB instructed the hiding from authorities and others in the congregation, but they certainly have known about the hiding, and have gone along with it, and could have ordered exposure of the problem instead of continued hiding. (In the past, hiding apparently happened in most, but not in all cases.) From that perspective, exposure of such crimes and sins would undoubtedly have reduced the problem. Especially the problem of repeat offenders. There are some cases that will probably never come to light in this system due to the
    1 point
  19. Transcript - John Foster - Doing the Very Best I Can.pdf
    1 point
  20. This type of “hit piece” reporting ( it doesn’t matter who the target is) has a way of resolving into nothing. (Now, if I should see him in there every single day........)
    1 point
  21. Having read lots of comments on this forum it is very easy to see that all that Jehovah's Witnesses have is their belief in their Governing Body and it's Writing Department. If they believe, as a certain cowboy would have it, that a person can gain no true knowledge from the bible itself, then how else does a person gain true knowledge ? It would seem that Jehovah's Witnesses rely totally on their GB 'boses' and on the Writing Department of same, to tell all JW's what to believe and when to believe it. Why do i say 'and when to believe it' ? Well you have to keep up you know
    0 points
  22. Well if you put it like that @Outta Here I suppose I went out from JW Org because I'm not a Pedophilie and I don't condone Pedophilia, so I proved that I an not of that 'sort'. Your quote of scripture not mine. As for me being an 'idolator' and then realising it, you are right. Exactly right. I did serve the JW Org as I thought it had 'truth'. But now having studied the bible myself without the misguidance of the JW Org, I see through the veneer of the GB domination. @JW Insider has just confirmed much of what I believe about the GB and it's Org. @James Thomas Rook Jr. says he has proof
    0 points
  23. BillyTheKid46: I have somewhere in my 12TB array of 4TB USB hard drives documents from the WT that prove all the assertions you deny here and now. In about two days time I could find, correlate and present them to you .... but in the meantime my recollections only will have to give testimony that you are suffering from a major case of agenda driven WDS . Since you are a Jehovah's Witness in good standing, I will give you a 20% discount to search for them, print them out for you and mail them to you .... after your check clears the bank. My usual rate is $105 an hour, and I would
    0 points
  24. Oh @JW Insider it's probably not worth the effort to answer you but I have a bit of time before my darling wife puts my dinner on the table for me. Let's start with a Quote "You probably know that there were infamous cases of immorality that Paul referred to in his letters even to the very Corinthian congregations that Paul himself had "planted." Are look Paul made the immorality known. Whereas, the Elders of the JW congregations hid it all in leters to their HQ and in filing cabinets. Why did the elders hide it ? Because on instructions from the GB. That's why it is all coming into
    0 points
  25. WOW!!! - Starts at 2:00 about his JW topic. Sad if it's true that Parents were the culprit, but goes to show how sometimes one can "irritate" their children. I've seen it happen too.
    -1 points
  26. There's a simple message in this video that doesn't require watching all 10 of them, or waiting to hear the "rest of the story". The reason I posted it is only to show the contradiction of Watchtower’s teachings, and what the consequences are for not having FAITH in the organization. Rev 13:4 What was told him on the day of baptism is also quoted in the Bible Teach Book: Baptism represents something very important. When you are immersed in water, it means that you have died to, or abandoned, your former way of life. When you come out of the water, you will begin a new life doing God’s
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  27. GB Helper quote: "That person's relationship with JHVH is forever ruined. JHVH discards the person like a piece of garbage." GB terminology: sinful person is garbage CO terminology: someone's (person's) faith is garbage "Garbage" is in WTJWORG lexic. And can be using for determining some person's spiritual or literal position inside WTJWORG or in front JHVH God.
    -1 points
  28. You are saying it is assumed that all those disfellowshipped for rejecting the organization, will reject God's standards as well. I doubt the elders have the ability to peer into the future and determine that the person they are disfellowshipping , will soon become trinitarians, homosexuals, etc. God's standards require rejection of idolatry. Exod 20: 4,5; Judges 10:14; Isa 44:9;46:3-5; Acts 4:12; 7:49-51; 17:24;25; Rev 13:1:4-7 God's standards require rejection of false prophesy. Deut 18:20-22; Ezek 13:9; Matt 7:15-20; 24:24; 2 Tim 4:3,4; Acts 20:28-30; 1 John 4:1; Rev 13:11,15
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  29. @Anna I cannot believe you said / wrote this. Are you drunk ? I left the JW Org because of God's high standards. Because the GB and it's Org are going against God's high standards. Are you totally blind to the Child Abuse within JW Org ? Are you blind to the shunning of people that leave the JW Org for the right reasons ? Are you blind to the lies / misuse of scriptures / changing of use of scriptures ? Do you think JW's have a higher standard of morals than other people ? Are you so blinded by the smokescreen of hypocrisy in the JW Org ? Are you so domin
    -1 points
  30. @JW Insider Yes I'm upset that you choose to point it out. You are talking like an Elder. This isn't one of your Kingdom Halls so don't try to dominate me. Have you ever read Billy the Kid's comments, saying that I need medical attention ? That's ok is it ? And TTH has mentioned my past situation causing me problems etc. My comment to Anna was about her comment not about the video. OK, let's get down to basics. what exactly was Anna saying about people that reject the JW Org ? She was saying that ex-JW's rejected God's standards. I'm an ex JW so does that include
    -1 points
  31. My goodness topic wars. (A bit like Robot Wars only funnier) We we are all totally off topic of course and we all have our own opinions. @BillyTheKid46 I honestly don't know who is a Witness and who is an ex-Witness, or who was never a Witness at all My opinion was that @JW Insider is still a Witness but working for both sides, a bit like Judas did. My feelings are that he/she thinks the JW Org as a whole has the 'truth' but that maybe the GB are going off track. As for @Anna , I'm totally confused. I thought she, I presume she is a she, was a Witness as I thought she wro
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  32. @JW Insider If the Society / GB and all in 'command' had acted in the way that Paul was saying in that 1 Corinthians 9 19-23 scripture, then the Earthwide Child Abuse / Pedophilia would never have happened. But you seem to see it as just collateral damage, necessary for the 'progress' of the Org. Quote "Still the core of the religion itself is one that does perhaps the best job of all religions in fighting the machinations of the Devil: " How can that be so when many of the beliefs are based on lies or misinformation and meanings of scripture constantly change to suit the p
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  33. @BillyTheKid46 Quote "Therefore, John, this is really not off topic. If there was an overseer that said OUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN This is exactly what it means, with the examples given here." The overseer does not have that authority from God. Neither does your GB fake 'faithful slave class ' But if you need to worship the GB then so be it. Putting your faith in MEN is against God and against His written word and you know it. You will be judged for doing that. As for me, yes, I am lost in many ways. I cannot understand why God does not make it more
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  34. @BillyTheKid46 Are you actually a Jehovah's Witness ? I'm beginning to think not Quote "There are several reasons why a person would go directly to hell do not pass; go " There is no 'hell'. Only death and a possible resurrection. I say possible because not everyone, it seems, gets a resurrection. The dead are conscious of nothing at all. I feel sure enough that i will be dead a long time before Judgement Day arrives. Then it will be in the hands of Jesus Christ as to if i get a resurrection or not. And I cannot imagine that people will be resurrected just to be pun
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  35. @Anna I would love to see who you really are, to see you as a person that is so blind to the deliberate faults of JW Org. Your long answer is so full of, I think the GB call it garbage. But I'll probs get told off for saying that... It is true that ultimately God reads hearts and reads motives, and that we cannot judge anyone, Well it's good that Jesus Christ read the heart of Saul, when Saul was persecuting the early Christians isn't it ? Otherwise the Apostle Paul would not have existed. Quote " For example there are those who condone things that God hates and implic
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  36. That's a very revealing statement about where you would love to live, but it would certainly explain a Lot (and Lot's wife, even more so).
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  37. I saw an example of that after Outta Here made a complaint about a post with profanity and I saw a lesser example of his (Ryan's) profanity in the past. I hate to see profanity here too, especially because it pushes people away who might otherwise add something more valuable here. But there is a big difference between profanity against an ideology and directing profanity at a specific person. For example, you are well aware, I'm sure, that that "Allen Smith" was banned after repeated warnings not about profanities but about wild, raging rants that were directed at specific people. Allen a
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  38. You probably know that there were infamous cases of immorality that Paul referred to in his letters even to the very Corinthian congregations that Paul himself had "planted." So it doesn't seem reasonable that if the GB had acted as Paul was saying that Child Abuse / Pedophilia would somehow no longer be a problem. No, I don't see it as just collateral damage. But when the Org sees it as a problem, I do think it's necessary for its leaders to do all they can to remove it, and "progress" in processes and procedures that can be seen to help eliminate it. I had said that "the core of
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  39. Isn't this something we all should remember? Great point John
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  40. If you don't mind for my interruption in your's conversation. Isaac Newton or other similar person hasn't, as i know, created Organization in which people will worship someone or something. Isaac not made GB of self and few friends of him who interpreted Bible or some other Holy Book. Religious nation as JW members, expecting more from GB than followers of Isaac would expected from him. Isaac was not made statements how he and his friends are only channel for spiritual food. :)) Saul of Tarsus believed in his strong "misinformation", that was based on Scriptures. He was "cho
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