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  1. 4 points
    I could be in serious trouble. They just finished remodeling the Kingdom Hall, and there are two quarter walls, one left of stage and one right. Gulp. Will the brother start entering and exiting the platform via those quarter walls, just like I saw them do in the other congregation?
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    The circuit overseer was visiting, so I started pumping him on it. “‘Don’t let the brothers walk behind the quarter wall to go on-stage,” I told him. I was not too insistent, one mustn’t overdo it on these things. I mean, I don’t want to be the brother who meets him in the parking lot to tell him that all the brothers are no good, and they aren’t loving at all, and they are deadwood in the ministry, and come to think of it, they don’t even like God, and so he, the circuit overseer, has a lot of work to do here, and he says “Yeah, I think I’ve found the problem already.” I did about as much as I could. He seemed to be sympathetic. “Yeah, I know,” he said. “You see them, then you don’t as they walk behind the wall, and then you do as they emerge from the other side—it IS a little funny.” So I gave it a good try. But he was just biding his time to get away from me. He is not going to do anything at all, I don’t think, other than tell the brothers to go on the platform when it is their turn to speak. What does he care how they do it? It doesn’t bother HIM any one way of the other. It’s ME it’s driving nuts, and then he will say “Well, you were mostly there already.” I have always tried to stack the deck. Those elders way back in the day would have a meeting coming up and I would pump various ones separately over multitude of picayune things, so that one of them said at their meeting (as I was told later) “Wait a minute. Who’s running this congregation? You, me, or Tom Harley?” But lo! A miracle has occurred. Never never never NEVER did I think I would EVER agree with @Jack Ryan. But I do on something. Jack Ryan! who if a Bethel brother so much as farts, he starts a derogatory thread on it. Jack Ryan! who has been known to start as many as a dozen critical threads in a single day. Jack Ryan! who I think regards himself as some sort of a secret agent/freedom fighter. What is it with this character? Yet, I saw, yes—I witnessed it while visiting another congregation, brothers clapping after each and every exchange that took place up front, whether li8ve or on video, just the way Jack was complaining about. Suddenly he becomes as a prophet from on high. That too, drove me nuts!—all that clapping. You don’t clap over every single skit of one sister offering a tract to another, who, of course accepts it a just little too eagerly, it seems to me, from what I recall in the actual ministry. You clap spontaneously when something really knocks your socks off. You clap when a child or even anyone gives his or her first talk on the school. You clap when the spirit genuinely moves you, for anything. You clap after the public talk, even giving the speaker the benefit of the doubt if it wasn’t that—um—good. But you don’t clap for every minor exchange of trivial words! It only cheapens the times that there really is something to clap for. I know where this comes from, just like I know where walking behind the quarter walls came from. Some pious brother doubtless wanted to “show appreciation” for everything under the sun and so started up the habit, thinking he was setting a ‘good example’ and that others would follow, and those others, not wanting to seem unappreciative, did follow, even some half-heartedly. However, it is possible that it is not the pious brother at all who is responsible, but rather the one who is too swayed by the new-agey mantra that you have to lavish praise on children non-stop just for showing up, for the sake of building self-esteem, and so they clap if a brother so much as clears his throat. I mean, don’t go pinning this one on “theocracy,” Jack—it could just as well be that trendy “world” that you are so enamored with. This will not the easiest habit to break. I mean, you can hardly sit there and scowl, so as to provide the counter-example. The best strategy is just to contain it, as you might strive to do with a measles outbreak. Don’t send speakers to that congregation for awhile, until the illness passes. I doubt I can even enlist the circuit overseer in any serious capacity on this one. He will probably just roll his eyes when I meet him about it in the parking lot. C’mon, DO IT RIGHT, BROTHERS!
  2. 2 points
    Read, please, WT published material for latest 140 years and you will find examples.... :)) ....even without my help.
  3. 2 points
    Which laws JW's have to obey today ? Laws set by GB? Or Jw's need to imitate Jesus and BREAKING provisional Laws set forth by GB? This was told before cca 2000 years. I suppose how today Jesus would modified a little his words and say: Do not practice whatever they tell you that you must obey and doing. First you have to check what they are talking about and why. If you are not sure, then come to me and ask me about. I will help you with your questions. For false messiahs and false prophets performing great signs and wonders to deceive".
  4. 2 points
    Witness

    I am proud to be a JW

    Honestly, I cannot bring myself to watch the video.
  5. 2 points
    I must admit, I agree with you. But then I wonder, maybe it's me who is seeing it "wrong". Attitude, after all, is everything...
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    The test of spontaneous clapping being a hypnotically induced Pavlovian response, or not .... is to show the two "Pillowgate" videos that were shown the Brothers and Sisters at Bethel .... the creepiest, most insane and cringeworthy videos ever created ... at the local Kingdom Hall, on a Sunday morning or afternoon .... and see if everybody claps.
  7. 1 point
    Here is the material for the next 2 weeks-- May 13-19, and May 20-26 , 2019. TB Watchtower May 13-19, 2019.doc Watchtower May 13-19, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 13-19, 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 13-19, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 13-19, 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 13-19, 2019 text only.pdf CBS May 13-19, 2019.doc CBS May 13-19, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -May 13-19, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -May 13-19, 2019.doc Watchtower May 20-26, 2019.doc Watchtower May 20-26, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 20-26 , 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 20-26 , 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 20-26 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of May 20-26 , 2019 text only.pdf CBS May 20-26,2019.doc CBS May 20-26,2019.pdf Additional Highlights -May 20-26, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -May 20-26, 2019.pdf
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    There are a LOT of things not specifically mentioned in the Bible, Billy. It was my understanding that Spiritual Integrity is dependent on not going beyond the things that are actually written in the Bible. ...and not trying to lay heavy burdens on others that Jehovah God, and Christ Jesus DID NOT. Having Spiritual Integrity is like being pregnant ... there is no being "half-pregnant".
  10. 1 point
    Billy, were you referring to the Society's "Pillowgate" video as "garbage", or something else, specifically?
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    Merci Folens C'est pour tout le monde. Je trouve qu'on peut mieux retenir par écrit et y relire à tout moment.
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    ANSWER: My theory is that, with the obvious painful discrepancy you just pointed out, that cannot be ignored by any sane, rational person, is that those holding such perspectives are just rock-dumb clueless, dangerously ignorant, or bat-crap crazy ... or all three. What makes it WORSE is that they are also very nice people, with the very best of intentions. Such people would be easier to identify if, as they pontificated, one eye would twitch, and they would drool all over themselves. ... or obsess publicly about Brothers wearing tight pants, and make "Pillowgate" videos.
  13. 1 point
    When you say Jesus was breaking the laws, which laws are you referring to. God’s laws or the provisional laws set forth by the Pharisees and High Priest. An example of a provisional law was the law Moses applied to divorce. How about the mandate of stoning for adultery. @BillyTheKid46 You do puzzle me sometimes. I really do not think you are a JW at all. The scripture you have used regarding Adultery is a scripture that is not contained in the NWT, because said scripture is thought to have been a later addition added by a translator and it is quite possible that Jesus never said or did those things.
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    God's laws, fulfilled in Christ as the Word. Matt 5:17; John 1:1 Every other "law" or tradition set in place by the corrupted priesthood, oppressed the people: Jesus would not expect obedience to the ideologies and traditions of men, which is what he is referring to in the above scripture. "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matt 11:28-30 To the Pharisees, Jesus said: You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” 9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:8-13 One of the many "traditions of men" in the Watchtower is to "curse" one's mother, father, son, or daughter for following Christ''s teachings, which results in the "curse" of spiritual "death". Rev 13:15 That conveniently locks out all obligations to one's say, parents; thus, more money, more time, more devotion, can be given to "Jehovah's organization" - as pioneers, in special assignments, and as elders. You mean, linked to the scriptures that describes the hypocrisy of the Pharisees? They expected obedience to them, and not to Christ. Today, full obedience must be given to the GB and elder body - over Christ. Your reasoning is twisted, Allen, in harmony with Watchtower's teachings; and not in harmony with the teachings of Jesus. "Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.” Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me." John 14:21,23,24 His commands, not those of the GB who use an army of henchmen to carry out their will. Matt 24:48-51
  15. 1 point
    Bonjour Misette, merci pour ton excellent travail et tes partages que j'apprécie vraiment, étant sourd je suis très heureux de recevoir les comptes rendus des vidéos. Merci et que Jéhovah te bénisse. Michel Le pouvoir thérapeuthique de la Bible (NXPowerLite).pps
  16. 1 point
    The Librarian

    Baptismal questions

    *** w1955 7/1 411 Christian Baptism for the New World Society *** 15 A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit. This shows, among other things, that Christianity is not a denominational affair, that sects have nothing to do with it. “Does the Christ exist divided? Paul was not impaled for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I am thankful I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.”—1 Cor. 1:13-15, NW. *** w1966 10/1 603-4 Serving with Everlasting Life in View *** 15 This is what we mean when we dedicate our lives to Jehovah. We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. This makes dedication a very personal relationship between us and Jehovah. -------------------------------------- *** w1958 8/1 478 Baptism *** 22 It is essential that with the mouth a public declaration of faith be made. Two questions are therefore asked the candidates: (1) Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ? (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 23 Everyone who can answer “Yes” to these questions is eligible for baptism and should take this step without hesitation or delay. *** w1960 5/15 308 "What Prevents Me from Getting Baptized?" *** 23 The first question is: Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ? 24 The second question is: On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 25 Everyone who has answered “Yes” to these two questions is eligible for baptism and should be baptized at that same circuit or district assembly of Jehovah’s witnesses. *** w1973 5/1 280 Baptizing Follows Discipling *** we suggest that you consider the following two questions, which are asked of candidates for baptism: (1) Have you repented of your sins and turned around, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his SonJesus Christ? (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? If you find that you can answer “YES” to these questions, then it would be appropriate for you to speak to the presiding overseer in the congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses with which you associate, with a view to getting baptized. ------------------------------------ *** w1985 6/1 30 Subjecting Ourselves to Jehovah by Dedication *** The first question is: On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will? The second is: Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism. *** w1987 4/15 12 Gaining Peace With God Through Dedication and Baptism *** By baptism you identify yourself as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s worldwide congregation. *** w87 4/15 12 Gaining Peace With God Through Dedication and Baptism *** Recently the two questions addressed to baptismal candidates were simplified so that candidates could answer with full comprehension of what is involved in coming into intimate relationship with God and his earthly organization. *** w1989 1/15 13 What Prevents You From Getting Baptized? *** for the first of two questions the speaker asks them is: “On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?” Only if the individual answers in the affirmative and also understands that his dedication and baptism identify him as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization can he acceptably undergo water immersion. *** knowledge 176 18 Make It Your Aim to Serve God Forever *** Baptism ‘in the name of the holy spirit’ signifies that the baptismal candidate recognizes Jehovah’s holy spirit, or active force, as God’s instrument for carrying out His purposes and for empowering His servants to do His righteous will in association with His spirit-directed organization.
  17. 1 point
    It will not readily yield to change, if history is any guide. About the best I can hope for is some circuit overseer acting similarly as he did with another “crisis.” During a transitional lull from one main point to another, he will say that the expression “Now let us turn the platform over to the next speaker” is ridiculous because it evokes an image of turning the platform over. With that, I eventually heard the expression less, though it still pops up from time to time. It is not easy to correct anyone on anything, especially on a triviality, though occasionally people jump instantly on the trivialities but ignore substantial things. Finding the right degree of emphasis is tough. One recipient will say “Thanks for the new RULE!” and his companion will say “Huh? Did you say something.” There was a certain sister ages ago who enjoyed explaining things to others and eventually left the truth because not enough people listened to her. She had even begun to partake of the emblems. “What the Society is trying to tell us is....” she would often employ as a preamble. She is the inspiration (in this one regard only) for John Wheatandweeds, from Tom Irregardless and Me, who will not let the brothers go in field service in the morning because he insists as the conductor of rattling on and on about the day’s text, and he resists counsel to shorten that part eventually to as short as 7 minutes, and he talks at such length, drawing out comments, that eventually nobody is in the mood to go out anymore. “What the Society is trying to tell us...” he responds to every bit of counsel on the subject. Finally, the Society interrupts him mid-sentence to say “We’re not trying to tell you anything—we’re telling you.” So he finally responds by getting everyone out the door in reasonably short order—not seven minutes, but neither seven years—however he makes up for it by chatting away in the parking lot.
  18. 1 point
    If you are going to go figure .... figure out why neither Jehovah God, nor Christ, never even mentioned such things ... EVER ... not even once .... and the Governing Body positively OBSESSES over such things. There IS a reason. .... for BOTH.
  19. 1 point
    Now, who is putting words in Jesus' mouth? Can anyone alter scripture? sure they can. As you state, Jesus warned us about false prophets. By making an assumption to how "Jesus would modify a little of his words and say" what do you think you are doing? However, give me a good example of how the GB are self-imposing and adding a provisional law? have witness, Jwinsider, John, James, contact you through MMS to help you if you need it.
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    I just checked again, now. Someone has re-posted the "Men's Version" of the video. Here is the link.
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    The free program, Freemake Video Downloader, can be used to download it to your hard drive, should you want to do so, before it is gone, again.
  22. 1 point
    I would LOVE to see the "out-takes" video!
  23. 1 point
    According to that theory, the Nazis were merely trying to bring the glories of German Civilization to the underprivileged of the world. Attitude, after all, is everything ...  NOT.
  24. 1 point
    I do not think so ..... a careful review of their facial expressions and the lurid detail, specifically enumerated, leads me to believe the two GB Helpers were being severely punished to make these two videos ... and the nuttiness of the logic and explanations given specifically to exonerate non-contact sexual "circle jerks" as NOT being pornea .... which they did.
  25. 1 point
    Witness

    I am proud to be a JW

    It’s a typical two-sided coin for JWs to make sense of, or remain thoroughly confused by it. They must be convinced they’re “proud of the organization”’ thus, proud to be a JW. “ Are you not proud to be part of an organization that cares so much for its members?” “Do you feel proud to be part of an organization in which people truly love one another?” Both quotes from the same magazine - w 14/12/15 Other side of the coin: “Proud people reject the idea that they need to be taught anything” w19 January pp. 1-32 We see that in action. JWs shut down all conversation at the cart or when speaking to an “apostate”. Some here, excluded. “One definition of pride is inordinate self-esteem. That kind of pride gives one an improper feeling of self-importance and superiority, perhaps because of beauty, race, rank, talents, or wealth. (James 4:13-16) The Bible speaks of men being “puffed up with pride.” (2 Timothy 3:4) In other words, they have an inflated opinion of themselves, one that is unjustified.” g 3/07 pp. 20-21 JWs must be proud to be a part of the organization, "puffed up with pride" over belonging to it; but also humble at the same time; otherwise they are not happy. Are they happy also when they are proud? I haven’t looked it up. “Why do those who are part of God’s organization need to be humble? 8 Those who are humble are happy in God’s organization and support the way things are done in the congregation. A humble person supports the elders and the way things are done in the congregation” ws12 11/15 pp. Can one be humble and proud at the same time for the same reason – being part of a religious, hypocritical organization? Ps 18:27; Prov 8:13; 16:18; 1 John 2:16 Now that I finally have the opportunity to see Watchtower’s contradictions placed side by side, I wonder how I lasted as long as I did in the organization, without going insane.
  26. 1 point
    I got you the first time. Who are you trying to satisfy with this commentary? You’re starting to sound like, witness. First, understand the role of the ancient Levites to those of the Jerusalem priesthood in Jesus time. Jesus judges the Pharisees. Seven Woes to the Scribes and Pharisees 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2“The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach but do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 5 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. For they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long, 6 and they clove the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues 7 and greetings in the marketplaces and being called frabbi2 by others. When you say Jesus was breaking the laws, which laws are you referring to. God’s laws or the provisional laws set forth by the Pharisees and High Priest. An example of a provisional law was the law Moses applied to divorce. How about the mandate of stoning for adultery. You are claiming The Priesthood was mightier than the Son of God. However, what do you think Jesus meant with “so practice and observe whatever they tell you” to mean? Where do you see Caiaphas (High Priest) in the scheme of things, using deception and lies to have God’s son killed? I don’t know where you got that idea, but it’s an extremely wrong one. Especially, when those groups consorted with each other to have Jesus killed because those “men” wanted to be higher than Jesus, and they didn’t want to lose their authority over the people. Whose laws were these high priest breaking, that you only question Jesus? If you are referring to the Pharisees, Sadducees, High priests that were breaking God’s commandments by their actions and deeds, and by adding to the laws (self-imposed) then your ideology is in question. Then your comparison of the High Priest to that of the modern GB is off the mark since they have yet to self-impose anything that isn’t directly linked to scripture. That you think otherwise, is a matter of your own opinion. Therefore, the question becomes, whose authority was to be obeyed by Jesus standards? God’s or the Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, High Priest. When do you personally think the GB and the Watchtower wrote the below script citation in the Bible? Hebrews 13:17 English Standard Version (ESV) 17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
  27. 1 point
    Thanks, Twyla for your continued efforts.
  28. 1 point
    Witness

    Baptismal questions

    Matt 5:11 - Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Matt 19:29 - And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. Matt 10:39 - Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it. What "life" have many "found" and dare not lose? "When we use our time to prepare for God’s new world, are we missing out on a better way of life today? No! Serving Jehovah is the best way of life. To prepare for everlasting life in the new world, we need to obey the direction from Jehovah’s organization now. WT 15/8/15 pg 19-20 When anyone rejects this "life", giving full attention to Jesus and the Father only, division occurs. Luke 12:49 - “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” The division and persecution for following Christ is experienced among God’s people, just as it was in Jesus’ day. Many claim to follow Jesus Christ around the world, but Jesus gives the indication of who is persecuting God's people. John 16:2,3 - "They will put you out of the synagogue (“congregation); in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills (Rev 13:15) you will think they are offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me." The synagogue today is where spiritual "Jews"/"Israel" are found. (Rev 7:4; Rom 9:6; 1 Pet 2:9,10) Do JWs suffer for Christ’s sake? No, they suffer on behalf of an organization, but they are taught they suffer because “Jehovah” expects them to have steadfast faith and dedication in an earthly organization under any circumstances. They have created a counterfeit fortress to protect them, instead of relying fully on God. Dan 11:36-38; Rom 1:25 Those who are ‘put out’ of the congregations for following Christ, are reviled by their own people, in the same way Jesus was. Matt 11:28-30 - “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble inheart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” Are JWs finding rest as part of “Jehovah’s organization”, or are they experiencing turmoil in nations around the world? Ps 106:40-43 - "Therefore the Lord was angry with his people and abhorred his inheritance. 41 He gave them into the hands of the nations, and their foes ruled over them. 42 Their enemies oppressed them and subjected them to their power. 43 Many times he delivered them, but they were bent on rebellion and they wasted away in their sin." The call is to “come out of her, my people”. Who’s sins are magnified in front of God; those of Christendom, or those of “Jehovah’s organization” where God’s “chosen” anointed people are found captive to empty philosophy, the misguided teachings of a Harlot and a Beast/organization? Rev 18:4-8; Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,4-10, 11,12,14-17
  29. 1 point
    Witness

    Baptismal questions

    Just in case this developmental change escaped the notice of JWs: 1955/7/1/411: A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit W 1966/10/1 - We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. 1958,1960, 1973 - On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 1985 - The second is: Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization? 1987 4/15 - Recently the two questions addressed to baptismal candidates were simplified so that candidates could answer with full comprehension of what is involved in coming into intimate relationship with God and his earthly organization. Simplified for full comprehension of one’s stand taken before God, or before an earthly organization? It has been a gradual methodical change from what was true in 1955 to 1984, to now baptizing individuals into an idol. I am clueless why JWs gave this a thumbs up when baptism in the organization has moved completely away from unreservedly dedicating oneself to God to dedication to the organization. JWs now practice this fully developed lie, with little comprehension of what they are believing, otherwise they would question the change. Jesus’ command has been stripped down by men and redressed, to “serve/believe the lie”, but which is thoroughly accepted as truth. 2 Thess 2:9-12 Then I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming from the dragon’s mouth, from the beast’s mouth,(organization) and from the mouth of the false prophet. (GB) For they are demonic spirits performing signs, who travel to the kings (anointed Rev 1:5) of the whole world to assemble them for the battle on the great day of God, the Almighty. 15 “Look, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who is alert and remains clothed so that he may not go around naked and people see his shame.” 16 So they assembled the kings at the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. Rev 16:12-16
  30. 1 point
    Jack Ryan

    Baptismal questions

    There seems to be a quiet drift towards removal of any claim of inspiration or infallibility. When the Feb. 2017 Watchtower did this, it must have been for a reason, almost certainly legal. There's no benefit in admitting their lack of Divine direction otherwise, it's a fundamental part of their scam. What does the Legal Dept. foresee? Is this change designed to steer towards a deeper legal claim of a contract, as against EU regulations?
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    Jack Ryan

    Baptismal questions

    The main change is this: Old : ... identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization? New: ...identifies you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with Jehovah's organization? This is a really strange move. They are moving away from saying that they are "spirit-directed by God" to simply stating that they are "Jehovah's organization..."
  32. 1 point
    (Micah 4:13) 13 Get up and thresh, O daughter of Zion; For I will change your horns into iron, And I will change your hooves into copper, And you will pulverize many peoples. You will devote their dishonest profit to Jehovah, And their resources to the true Lord of the whole earth.” Any questions?
  33. 0 points
    I would have thought with sex education in schools as it is, JW's would not need the deep precise details that the GB loves going into. The scriptures you quoted do the job just fine on their own. It seems the GB even go OTT by saying if a man and a woman are alone in a house together, they must be having sex. No 'two witnesses' needed. But they don't seem to say if two brothers or two sisters are in a house together that they are having sex, i wonder why ? Well it was you that mentioned Sodom and Gommora.
  34. -1 points
    Interesting. A misapplication? Especially the kind that is directed for ex-witnesses. I guess to those that believe self-gratification is not a sin, because it's not specifically mentioned in the Bible, I guess people should accept homosexuality because the words, gay and lesbian are not specifically mentioned in the Bible. But then again, according to this website. If you can meet a GB in a liquor store, possibly referring that GB's are drunks. However, that won't be the first time nor the last, then it shouldn't surprise any witness to meet these individuals in the parking lot, at the store, mall, etc. Even a house of worship, go figure!
  35. -1 points
    I mentioned this same fact a long time ago but folks turned against me on it, saying it was me that was obsessed with it.. However I'm glad you have reintroduced the point. Thank you JTR Jr.
  36. -1 points
    How many times has scripture been misapplied here? Not as many times as it has been misapplied by the Society, GB and Writing dept' of the JW Org.




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