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  1. 4 points
    We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. - source JWorg Here we have maneuver by JW Clergy Leaders who try to justify, by Bible, how they have made/making changes of Organizational doctrines and beliefs, because they have not understand the Scriptures before (and today too). In meantime, while they were not been aware of false and wrong in own doctrines, they continued to force and run wrong laws inside JW congregations. Exactly this and that WTJWORG mandate beliefs, are what can be called by name you used in comment - provisional laws. With time passing, WT Leaders changed doctrines which they presented as Bible Truths and God's Word. After some time they made new doctrines out of old doctrines, and again they called such modified rules-doctrines-laws as Bible Truths and God's Word. They using lexical terminology such as; adjusted our beliefs .....Scriptures has been clarified. Well, we have different wording but same package of meanings and results: Provisional Laws ........ Adjusted our beliefs ...... Scriptures has been clarified.
  2. 1 point
    Jack Ryan

    I am proud to be a JW

    At least three or four times a month, someone will post something like: I am proud to be a JW Seriously, what is up with that? I am not trying to be disrespectful. But I never see anyone here post "I am proud to be a Christian". If you are "proud" to be a JW, it almost sounds like you are boasting about having accomplished a goal, that you were able to do something that others can't do. It almost sounds like you are saying that your salvation is because of something you accomplished on your own.
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    Wow this is all so funny. Billy thinks it is ok for a Witness to use things that seem to pretend they are scripture when those people whom he serves (the GB and it's Writing department) say those things are not scripture. So then billy thinks that makes him "more of a witness" by using 'fake scripture'. Oh dear, when we think on scripture it should make us humble not 'exalt ourselves'. (Matt 23 v 12 ) For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. I think Billy is showing his true colours now.
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    Thanks, but I don't want to watch it again. (I already have it saved, no idea why though, since I don't want to watch it again...)
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      Hello guest!
  6. 1 point
    God's laws, fulfilled in Christ as the Word. Matt 5:17; John 1:1 Every other "law" or tradition set in place by the corrupted priesthood, oppressed the people: Jesus would not expect obedience to the ideologies and traditions of men, which is what he is referring to in the above scripture. "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matt 11:28-30 To the Pharisees, Jesus said: You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” 9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:8-13 One of the many "traditions of men" in the Watchtower is to "curse" one's mother, father, son, or daughter for following Christ''s teachings, which results in the "curse" of spiritual "death". Rev 13:15 That conveniently locks out all obligations to one's say, parents; thus, more money, more time, more devotion, can be given to "Jehovah's organization" - as pioneers, in special assignments, and as elders. You mean, linked to the scriptures that describes the hypocrisy of the Pharisees? They expected obedience to them, and not to Christ. Today, full obedience must be given to the GB and elder body - over Christ. Your reasoning is twisted, Allen, in harmony with Watchtower's teachings; and not in harmony with the teachings of Jesus. "Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.” Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me." John 14:21,23,24 His commands, not those of the GB who use an army of henchmen to carry out their will. Matt 24:48-51
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    It will not readily yield to change, if history is any guide. About the best I can hope for is some circuit overseer acting similarly as he did with another “crisis.” During a transitional lull from one main point to another, he will say that the expression “Now let us turn the platform over to the next speaker” is ridiculous because it evokes an image of turning the platform over. With that, I eventually heard the expression less, though it still pops up from time to time. It is not easy to correct anyone on anything, especially on a triviality, though occasionally people jump instantly on the trivialities but ignore substantial things. Finding the right degree of emphasis is tough. One recipient will say “Thanks for the new RULE!” and his companion will say “Huh? Did you say something.” There was a certain sister ages ago who enjoyed explaining things to others and eventually left the truth because not enough people listened to her. She had even begun to partake of the emblems. “What the Society is trying to tell us is....” she would often employ as a preamble. She is the inspiration (in this one regard only) for John Wheatandweeds, from Tom Irregardless and Me, who will not let the brothers go in field service in the morning because he insists as the conductor of rattling on and on about the day’s text, and he resists counsel to shorten that part eventually to as short as 7 minutes, and he talks at such length, drawing out comments, that eventually nobody is in the mood to go out anymore. “What the Society is trying to tell us...” he responds to every bit of counsel on the subject. Finally, the Society interrupts him mid-sentence to say “We’re not trying to tell you anything—we’re telling you.” So he finally responds by getting everyone out the door in reasonably short order—not seven minutes, but neither seven years—however he makes up for it by chatting away in the parking lot.
  8. 1 point

    I am proud to be a JW

    It’s a typical two-sided coin for JWs to make sense of, or remain thoroughly confused by it. They must be convinced they’re “proud of the organization”’ thus, proud to be a JW. “ Are you not proud to be part of an organization that cares so much for its members?” “Do you feel proud to be part of an organization in which people truly love one another?” Both quotes from the same magazine - w 14/12/15 Other side of the coin: “Proud people reject the idea that they need to be taught anything” w19 January pp. 1-32 We see that in action. JWs shut down all conversation at the cart or when speaking to an “apostate”. Some here, excluded. “One definition of pride is inordinate self-esteem. That kind of pride gives one an improper feeling of self-importance and superiority, perhaps because of beauty, race, rank, talents, or wealth. (James 4:13-16) The Bible speaks of men being “puffed up with pride.” (2 Timothy 3:4) In other words, they have an inflated opinion of themselves, one that is unjustified.” g 3/07 pp. 20-21 JWs must be proud to be a part of the organization, "puffed up with pride" over belonging to it; but also humble at the same time; otherwise they are not happy. Are they happy also when they are proud? I haven’t looked it up. “Why do those who are part of God’s organization need to be humble? 8 Those who are humble are happy in God’s organization and support the way things are done in the congregation. A humble person supports the elders and the way things are done in the congregation” ws12 11/15 pp. Can one be humble and proud at the same time for the same reason – being part of a religious, hypocritical organization? Ps 18:27; Prov 8:13; 16:18; 1 John 2:16 Now that I finally have the opportunity to see Watchtower’s contradictions placed side by side, I wonder how I lasted as long as I did in the organization, without going insane.
  9. 0 points
    I agree .... but the reason you "save" stuff like this is because there are people who are agenda driven in their reasoning abilities, and believe with their whole hearts that it is a service to God to suppress, hide, and deny that stuff like this ever happened ... imagining that they are preventing the Truth from being spoken against abusively, and will deny over time that anything not as pure as the wind driven snow ever happened. Over 50 years I have seen a LOT of "revisionist history", where misguided theocratically inclined people have tried to hide or deny the past, in order to change how people act and believe now. This was a running theme in the book 1984, by George Orwell, who explained "He who controls the past, controls the present. He that controls the present, controls the future." The reason we try to secure the past from ERASURE by well intentioned but misguided zealots .. is because if they can ... .... they will. Already this has been actively suppressed by Watchtower lawyers from YouTube, and Rutube, and I would guess that NO ONE at most Kingdom Halls even knows of the existance of this set of videos, and the cringeworthy, creepy insanity they portray. Too late ... there are perhaps a hundred thousand copies to replace what they suppress. This has been on many comedy shows all over the Internet, and we have become the laughing stock of the world, thanks to this and other madness like this. As Pogo once said "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
  10. 0 points
    If you are going to go figure .... figure out why neither Jehovah God, nor Christ, never even mentioned such things ... EVER ... not even once .... and the Governing Body positively OBSESSES over such things. There IS a reason. .... for BOTH.
  11. -1 points
    I mentioned this same fact a long time ago but folks turned against me on it, saying it was me that was obsessed with it.. However I'm glad you have reintroduced the point. Thank you JTR Jr.
  12. -1 points
    ANSWER: My theory is that, with the obvious painful discrepancy you just pointed out, that cannot be ignored by any sane, rational person, is that those holding such perspectives are just rock-dumb clueless, dangerously ignorant, or bat-crap crazy ... or all three. What makes it WORSE is that they are also very nice people, with the very best of intentions. Such people would be easier to identify if, as they pontificated, one eye would twitch, and they would drool all over themselves. ... or obsess publicly about Brothers wearing tight pants, and make "Pillowgate" videos.
  13. -1 points
    There are a LOT of things not specifically mentioned in the Bible, Billy. It was my understanding that Spiritual Integrity is dependent on not going beyond the things that are actually written in the Bible. ...and not trying to lay heavy burdens on others that Jehovah God, and Christ Jesus DID NOT. Having Spiritual Integrity is like being pregnant ... there is no being "half-pregnant".

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