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    Policy of the United States of America in the 1800's: "All men are created equal, and are endowed by theit Creator with certain unalienable rights. Among these are Life, Liberty, and the persuit of happiness" - Thomas Jefferson Reality in the United States of America in the 1880s: "The only good Indian, is a dead Indian" And half the nation was controlled by Democrats and had a whole race of men and women enslaved. "Policy is one thing ..... reality is quite another." In fact. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the first statement, was a slave owner. It's always been about money. It's about money now. "Follow the Money!" Money ..... always tells the TRUTH.
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    JOHN BUTLER

    REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM

    @TrueTomHarley I remember a case of a brother being reproved from the platform, and as it happens he had previously visited my wife and I, with his wife, to tell us that he was about to be reproved. He had been out with a group of brothers, one of them being an elder, they had gone into Exeter and he had got drunk and been sick on the train home, as he wasn't used to 'going out drinking'. One almost funny point though not important, the elder was on holiday overseas when this brother was reproved, so the elder was well out of the way and not involved. But my point is that only a few of us in the congregation knew why this brother was being reproved. The point of that article is that, most people in a congregation DO NOT KNOW WHY THE PERSON IS REPROVED... Therefore it is not a protection to those who do not know the 'sin committed'. I remember a tiny bit of scripture whereby the apostle Paul is counselling congregation because a member of said congregation was having sex with his father's wife. 1 Corinthians 5 v1 & 2 Actually sexual immorality is reported among you, and such immorality as is not even found among the nations—of a man living with his father’s wife. And are you proud of it? Should you not rather mourn, so that the man who committed this deed should be taken away from your midst? If Paul wasn't frightened to mention the deed and the man then why should the Org be frightened of it ? I fully agree with @James Thomas Rook Jr. when he says :- " Having the very best of intentions, and being righteously inclined DOES NOT COUNT if the administrators are policy wonks who are also clueless and self-serving. and. "Policy is one thing ..... reality is quite another." I cannot understand why the GB /Org does not announce fully the reason for reproval and reason for disfellowshipping alongwith the person's name.. It would seem worse to me to reprove a person and not give a reason as then the congregants are left being suspicious of the person that was reproved. Tom, you and Space Merchant and a few others seem to believe that just because a 'policy' is written down, that it will always be adhered to. Let's hear it again JTR Jr "Policy is one thing ..... reality is quite another."
  3. 1 point
    Oh dear Billy you have simply lost the plot, or more likely are being blinded by the Devil. The Anointed are the 144,000. The scriptures are for the Anointed. Only the Anointed go to heaven to be with God and Christ. The Anointed are the body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, Heavenly Jerusalem. Everyone else is of the earthly class. Remember that God intends to restore this Earth to a paradise. A resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous. Well the unrighteous wouldn't be resurrected to heaven would they ? I don't pretend to fully understand all scripture and I don't pretend to be Anointed either. The time is not yet here for God to fully reveal who the Anointed are otherwise people that were really seeking truth would know who the Anointed are. I'm now quite sure that you Billy are not a JW, you are just a wind up merchant. You know nothing of scripture and nothing of truth.
  4. 1 point
    You believe today's Watchtower lie about the Body of Christ. The above written in 1963, was surprisingly, truth. How long have you been a JW?
  5. 1 point
    TheWorldNewsOrg

    Xi Jinping Thought

  6. 1 point
    Are you sure that it is not you and sanity that are two ENTIRELY different things?
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    JOHN BUTLER

    REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM

    And if the GB and Org did their job properly they would announce name of person and sin committed directly from the platform. Why hide it ? Is it just parents that need to know these things ? No. Quite often grandparents, carers and other congregants take children to the meetings. No longer is the rule that children must sit with their parents at the meetings. Children sit with lots of different people. The whole congregation should be told directly from the platform. It's because things are kept hidden that the Org now has such a serious problem concerning Child Sex Abuse accusations.
  8. 1 point
    Srecko Sostar

    REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM

    Notification for congregation: We inform our brothers to be cautious. Anyone who left the house without an umbrella on a rainy day, could be wet.
  9. 1 point
    I saw this online and it made me chuckle..... Have a great Thursday everybody....
  10. 1 point
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No... my statement was EXACTLY correct. You are, as you do with defending the indefensible about Watchtower Policy, making excuses as to why Thomas Jefferson is NOT a hypocrite. He was. PERIOD. . <----------- (period) The reason BOTH are hypocrites, is that Thomas Jefferson wanted to keep his money and status, and the Watchtower wants to keep its money and status, and BOTH have twisted what they knew to be true to keep their money and status. Accountants and lawyers are now running the WTB&TS, and creating "theocratic policy" ... and their life blood, and mother's milk ...... ..... is money and status. I did give that some thought as I dropped a check into the Kingdom Hall contribution box last weekend .... but I marked it "for local needs". The difference is that I am fully aware I am rationalizing .... but I don't know what else to do. I guess that makes THREE hypocrites ... Thomas Jefferson, the WTB&TS .... and me.
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    The Librarian

    Xi Jinping Thought

    So.... what happens if your thought isn't the same as Mr. Xi?
  12. 1 point
    But would they then share that data with my health insurance plan? Would my rates go up by how many times a month I order fries?
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    I don't think we are supposed to refer to him as "Ex-President" either.... not sure about that.
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    A parte mais linda do nosso País-Brazil
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    TrueTomHarley

    REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM

    Missing the entire point is another, also. Of course any policy can not be implemented. But that is not Alexandra’s statement. Her statement is that there is no policy to specifically warn parents in the event of child sexual abuse. Had she just read the easily available online JW policy, she would have known that the whole thrust of her point is bogus.
  17. 1 point
    Seems that a glossary differs from an encyclopedia in that it is an alphabetical list of terms. Biographical information is only included when it is relevant to explaining the use of what might be considered a personal name in a terminological sense. For example some background biogaphy is necessary to understand the use of the name "Jacob" as a term for the nation descended from him. Terms such as Christ, Christian, Chief Agent, Firstborn etc are defined as they are terms. The name Jehovah is viewed by some as a term not having personal significance. That is clarified in this glossary. There is no need do do the same for the personal name of God's Son, Jesus, as his name has not become a "term" in the sense of being "a word or phrase used to describe a thing or to express a concept". If this was a Glossary relating to the Roman Catolic Church, then there might be a case for including the name as it relates to the term "Jesuit". Or indeed the word "Trinity" as it relates to the peculiar concept of the nature of God held by many members of that denomination. Of course, these terms have no relevance whatsoever to the Holy Scriptures.
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    It was a printers’ error. I meant it to say “TrueTom vs the Misunderstood Guys” Having used the A-word a few times prominently, the book mostly discards it in favor of the verses I quoted above, One place that I do not is an early chapter with the title Who Are the Apostates? https://www.tomsheepandgoats.com/2019/01/who-are-the-apostates.html
  19. 1 point
    Yes, but did you know that McDonald's is ALSO an ATM machine at the drive-through ?
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    I think the rules are, if you break a hip just before a turkey hunt, the side that can still walk gets to make a wish.
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    1) Amamos a Jehova con todo nuestro corazón (Deuteronomio 13:3) 2) El amor edifica (1 Corintios 8:1) Saldrán 4 puntos nuevos, que explicaremos cuando en la primera asamblea sean públicos.
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    Some people will always live in a fantasy construct, made of words. When I was a small boy for me it was Superman Comics, and TV show. I would wear a towel as a cape, fastened with a clothes pin, and look for things to jump off of, One time I jumped off a back yard furnace oil tank, into a pile of broken cola bottles, barefooted. My Uncle tightly rolled me up in a blanket to extract the glass from my bloodied, lacerated feet. I hope that Billy's continuous leaping to agenda driven conclusions will not be as bloodied, or as painful, as my experience.
  25. 0 points
    Cool your jets a bit. John 2:19-22 - Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” 20 They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” 21 But the temple he had spoken of was his body. 22 After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. The Body of Christ = the temple Matt 16:18 - And I tell you that you are Peter ( for rock), and on this rock ("large rock", "a mass of stones") I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Church: ἐκκλησία ekklēsía, ek-klay-see'-ah; from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, i.e. (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both):—assembly, church. Would he build his “church” from those who were not ‘called out’, as the apostles were? Jesus laid the foundation as the chief cornerstone of the new Temple/Body. The foundation stones were the apostles and prophets. All who were called out are considered “stones”/”rock”. Rom 1:1 - Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— Rom 1:7 - To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people: Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ. Eph 4:4 - There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling Rev 17:14 - They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.” This is the “144,000” priests/kings of God. The anointed ones. 1 Pet 2:5,9 - you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ("I will build my church") But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. The “spiritual house” built of stones is the Temple of God. It is the church/Body. You, are adding those to the “church” who are not “living stones” of the Body of Christ. It is clear in scripture that the anointed are this “church” – “spiritual house” – TEMPLE of God. 2 Cor 6:16 - What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.” Again, the temple is built of “stones”, and the stones are the royal priesthood, which comprise the Body of Christ. 1 Cor 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your bodyand in your spirit, which are God’s. The royal priesthood is God’s “spiritual house”, His dwelling place. ("I will walk among them") 1 Cor 3:16,17 - Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. Eph 2:19-22 - Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. ("I will build my church") The “saints” are built on Christ’s Body, creating a Temple of “living stones”. The purpose? To serve the rest of the children in God’s Kingdom. So, step back and take a look at what God is building. He is refining and forming a people for Himself to serve the greater needs of His children to come. They must prove themselves worthy enough to be be found faithful and able to serve as God's priests; who, in the early temple arrangement, always served and taught the people of Israel. Mal 2:7 Yes, they will be Christ’s “kings” – righteous kings, who direct and teach God’s children in love, just as their High Priest/King/Head of the Body. Romans 12 describes the anointed as individual members of Christ’s Body. As does 1 Cor 12: For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For in fact the body is not one member but many. 1 Cor 12:12,13 What did Jesus say his Body was? John 2:21 - But the temple he had spoken of was his body It is the Temple of “living stones” – the royal priesthood. “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. Isa 43:10
  26. -1 points
    Indeed. The word was well before creation as the firstborn of creation. This is why Jesus also can be relative to the Role of a Levite Preist. Therefore, explain it to Srecko, he doesn't understand. You might also consider your position about the Royal Priesthood. You left me hanging there. Not sure what your point is. Jesus Christ is the “High Priest” of God’s priesthood. Heb 7:26,27 With this, we can agree Jesus was placing judgment on the conduct of the prevailing priesthood. However, did Christ suggest to disobey? You really believe Christ expected them to OBEY these traditions of men when he said, “come to me, all you who labor and are heavy laden”? He specifically told his disciples, “They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. Does God and Jesus suggest us to ingest the “leaven” of false teachers? Matt 16:6 Teaching anything beyond scripture is the sign of a false teacher. You do know what John the Baptist preached about? In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!” 3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying: “The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord; Make His paths straight.’ ” Matt 3:1-3 He told all of them, “bear fruits worthy of repentance”. If we repent from following traditions of men who lay unnecessary burdens on us, does this mean we are to keep following them? ADDITION - does this mean we are to obey the those additional traditions and laws that are a 'heavy load'? “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her. How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!35 See, your house is abandoned to you. I tell you, you will not see me until the time comes when you say,’ Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord’!” Luke 13:34,35 The apostles came on the scene, teaching truth from Christ. The entire Jewish system of that day lost God's favor with the coming of Christ; yet, they were the first to be given the opportunity to gain life through him - if they obeyed HIS teachings. This is our choice today; we either continue following men and their added burdens of lies, or we repent and follow Christ. The traditions, added laws of men are “not the entire word of God”. They are not scripture. Regarding Hebrews 13:17, it refers to those within the anointed Body of Christ - his priesthood. 1 Pet 2:5,9; Heb 13:15 Who were the early leaders? Primarily, at that time they were the foundation of the Body/Temple - the apostles who directed or led people to Christ. Yes, being a "leader" is a noted gift within the anointed priesthood. Rom 12:8 Their entire message was about Christ, "leading" people to him. The organization’s leaders are the image of the Pharisees, setting up their own regulations far from the commandments of God; and like the Pharisees , the GB/elder body “lead” people away from Jesus Christ, to an idol – organization - today's "Jewish" system of corruption. Mal 3:1-3; Rev 13:5-8 The law is summed in one word, love. “Heavy burdens” of men’s rules and regulations do not reflect love. Matt 22:37-40; Gal 5:14
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    It's great to read some humour from Billy the child, on here. He is sooo funny. For instance and I quote :- " The Watchtower reverted to being like the first-century apostles with scriptural understanding. The Watchtower in itself is by far the only organization that is keeping Christ commandments. " I would really like to know exactly whom Billy means by 'the Watchtower'. He never gives me a straight answer when i ask him. To me the Watchtower is a magazine. Yes also the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society. But, who exactly is Billy referring to when he says "The Watchtower reverted to being like the first-century apostles with scriptural understanding" ? Does Billy mean the GB ? or the Writing Department ? Or whom ? Who knows. Anyway this Watchtower society which was formed in 1881 as Zion's Watchtower and renamed in 1896, has made so many blunders that it is completely inadequate for spiritual guidance as it cannot be trusted to provide true facts. It shows itself as not having any guidance from God or by Holy Spirit. If Billy wants to serve an idol, 'The Watchtower', that is of course his choice. However, as Srecko mentioned, serving Almighty God through Jesus Christ, is the correct way to do it. Billy ends his comment with a belter :- " Either you obey Gods laws and commandments, or you don't. It's that simple. How will false religion (false Christendom) accomplish that? " Um Billy, I think you have such a bad memory or you just cannot bring yourself to acknowledge the failure of that Society / Organisation which you worship. The Watchtower and it's JW Org do not serve God properly and because they are not chosen by God, they cannot supply the 'right food at the proper time'. Everything they do is guesswork and when they get it wrong they simply guess again, and get it wrong again. Scripture 'This generation will by no means pass away.' How many times have they changed the meaning of this one ? 'The superior authorities'. How many times did they change the meaning of this one and WHY ? Billy the proof is there before your eyes. The Watchtower / GB / JW Org / Society, have no idea of truth and are not guided by God or by holy spirit.
  28. -1 points
    Tell me TTH, what do you regard as genuine ‘apostasy,’ ? Are you one of those that believes that if a person leaves the JW Org they become a non believer in God ? What is an apostate in your viewpoint. It is a person that turns away from a former religion ? Or is it a person that turns away from God ?
  29. -1 points
    Well the Watchtower / GB / JW Org certainly do the equivalent of offering children in the fire to Molech, with their protection of pedophiles in the Org. And the GB / Org do put the Elders in place of the Anointed. So yes Billy your Watchtower Society do worship false gods and you worship the Watchtower.
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    According to scripture, what is the Body of Christ - who comprise it?
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    Good question .... and the answer should use some common sense in addition to being provable. OTHERWISE, the answer will have no value whatsoever. ..... merely someone's opinion.
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    I would have thought the simple answer would be, The Anointed. But the difficult bit is knowing who the anointed are. Which brings me back to 'Ten men clinging to the robe of a Jew' How are we supposed to know who the spiritual Jew is ?
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    Because those not of the anointed are supposed to say "We will go with you people because God is with you people" It's not that we would serve men, but i do believe that God will give information through men. (Not the GB of JW Org) I've said many times before that the Bible was not written for those who are not Anointed. It was written for the Anointed. There is a scripture somewhere that says 'they' won't have to be taught, because it will automatically be in their hearts. Hence the anointed will teach others. But in my humble opinion, God has not yet made it known who those Anointed are. That is one reason I think we are a long way from Judgement Day. God has much work to do yet to make His people known to all the Earth.
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    @Witness The scriptures you have quoted convince me even more that the Greek scriptures were written to and for the Anointed only. It is my opinion that only the Anointed can fully understand God's written word. As for Billy the child, no hope remains it seems




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