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  1. It is NOT a matter of conscience ... well, it depends on how far you want to work in the organization. Here in Spain the situation is as follows: In many congregations one may serve as elder still wearing a beard, and therefore enjoy any other local privilege. But that does not work for you in the neighboring congregation. It is usual for a speaker with a beard to inform when they invite him that he is wearing a beard, in case it bothers the conscience of the brothers of the congregation where he will speak. At the circuit level, forget to have part from the platform (with
    3 points
  2. Poor old @TrueTomHarley has to try to group people together. Even though he adds 'as individuals', he still starts with a group of people all of one type. I don't know Srecko's personal information and I would not ask him, but as for me, I have a wife and a son that live 'at home' with me. They are enough company for me thanks. I do not need to surround myself at home or online with a group of people. I've just bought myself a new MP3 player with the biggest 'cans' (headphones) I could get, and I go walking along the riverside and then along the seafront all on my own. I walk past p
    2 points
  3. This had become a kind of cliche for experiences given from the assemblies. You would always hear someone say that they were learning about the truth, but that they had a beard and didn't like to dress in a suit and tie . . . and then . . . voila! . . . one day this person will show up at the Hall, and to everyone's surprise . . . he will be clean-shaven. The audience would even clap at this point, as if it were a bigger turning point than their baptism. *** yb11 p. 117 Papua New Guinea *** The next day, I arrived at the convention clean-shaven. *** yb93 pp. 176-177 Honduras ***
    2 points
  4. With all due respect, people should get their facts straight before they make a bold unverified statement. When a person does that quite often (without proper vetting their statements) then people will suspect EVERYTHING they say thereafter. That is why their overall credibility will and should suffer. Think about it. Just saying.
    2 points
  5. Reminds me that the Bethel Elder who was also the head of Purchasing, at Bethel, and who worked for Dean Songer in 1979, suddenly came back from a two week vacation with a beard, very well trimmed, and short. He actually looked better with the beard, too. But everyone knew what would happen to him. For one thing, Dean Songer wore a crewcut and a thin black tie, so he always looked like one of those guys in the Houston control room during a Gemini or early Apollo flight. An article had come out at (about) the exact same time that he grew the beard, which made him seem "rebellious" to most
    2 points
  6. Sometimes Lawyers wear some pretty strange clothing, depending on the Venue.
    2 points
  7. @Jack Ryan said:How do you feel about being told that you MUST wear your badge even when out to dinner at night with your family after a convention? Never happened yet. But if it did, I would take it off.
    1 point
  8. Ok, Ok .... just calm down, i wished to upset you ...but not so much :))))
    1 point
  9. Sometimes when things seem at their darkest, and you see that New Light Approaching faster and faster ... it's a good idea to make sure that you are not in the middle of train tracks.
    1 point
  10. What in the world is wrong with it? “Typical patterns” can be discerned by just keeping ones eyes opened. You don’t need “investigative journalism,” for example, to voice that Americans are, as a people, overweight. Even checking your “critical thinking” at the door, one can come up with that observation. What I have done is parallel. I also plainly said that you as an individual didn’t necessarily fit that “typical pattern.” Witnesses as a people have a much greater diversity of friends as regards race, social-economic, nationality, & educational letters, then do non-Witne
    1 point
  11. Witness

    WHITEWASH

    Should I spell it out for you? According to you, I am ignorant, foolish and stupid; very unchristian-like. Should I call you ignorant, foolish and stupid because you cannot see that I have indeed, told you who the Destroyer is, using the scriptures to prove it? Those who are spiritual "Israel" are outlined in scripture: Gal.6:15,16: "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but a new creation. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God." Rom 2:28,29: "For he is not a Jew who is
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  12. This had become a kind of cliche for experiences given from the assemblies. You would always hear someone say that they were learning about the truth, but that they had a beard and didn't like to dress in a suit and tie . . . and then . . . voila! . . . one day this person will show up at the Hall, and to everyone's surprise . . . he will be clean-shaven. The audience would even clap at this point, as if it were a bigger turning point than their baptism. Wow brainwashing at its best. Um, Jesus said about cleaning the inside of the bowl or dish first. Shaving and putting on a suit a
    1 point
  13. @TrueTomHarley They could always do it, but they might come in for counsel and be kept from what Witnesses call “privileges”—MS, elder, pioneer, and so forth. OK, let's look at this one sentence which Tom seems to think is casually funny. Let's start with the problem of Elders withholding 'privileges' due to their personal preferences. This is not in order of importance. 1. It is not showing Christian love. 2. it is going beyond the things written, as there is NO scriptural basis for it. . 3. It is a cause for stumbling. 4. It would be restricting the Preachin
    1 point
  14. Regarding tobacco : God's kingdom Rules Page 111 para 12 & 13 And Smoking banned in 1973 Regarding christmas : God's Kingdom Rules page 101 para 8 & page 102 para 9 @Anna i hope this is to your satisfaction.
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  15. Ok be picky if you like. They allowed smoking until 1970. Well 1973 actually it seems.
    1 point
  16. Not really. It has been a issue only for the last 30 years, 30 years? ...this is funny i think. Issue was from Judge Rutherford era who was against Russell influence on Society. After Russell dead and after he prevailed in taking Presidency, he introducing changes (good or bad .. it is for Historians to describe) One of them is - NO beard! :)) Thanks for such deep, contemplative inspection of other people spirit and soul :)))) In just two sentences you done amazing job. Investigative Journalism?
    1 point
  17. I was wondering what she was pointing at
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  18. Glurp! And I thought the British were "conservative"! (In their views).
    1 point
  19. If "Tight Pants" are so risque, and get certain Brothers all hot and bothered, and distracting them from their Theocratic duties, Tight Pants Tony would have an absolute stroke over THIS outfit! Perhaps there should be a Watchtower Policy Statement that Kilts have to go down to the ANKLE!, and not have Mylar pillows or spherical orb designs bouncing around on the genital area as the brother walks along. If you ask me, if you are going to wear that outfit outside of Scotland, you better damn well have a sword! Forget the Badges at the Restaurants! We have a full scale "T
    1 point
  20. Witness

    WHITEWASH

    Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you are.And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you when I strike the land of Egypt. Exod 12:13 For the Lord will pass through to strike the Egyptians; and when He sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the Lord will pass over the door and not allow the destroyer to come into your houses to strike you. Exod 12:23 The Lord (His Spirit) passes over Israel and passes through the Egyptians. He allows Satan the Destroyer, to strike. Obviously, you desire
    1 point
  21. @Jesus.defender Not really. We are worshippers of Jehovah God. And we do what his son Jesus had commanded us to do, to preach the good news and to make discples. We also apply what qualities that Jesus expresses. For a defender if Jesus. Last I checked Jesus doesn't attack his fellow man, let alone a random stranger.
    1 point
  22. Is it? One could make that case. It certainly could be annoying at times. Still, not every whim in life goes your way. I never wanted a beard anyway. It did sometimes cause some trouble however, when they grew one for non-standard reasons. They could always do it, but they might come in for counsel and be kept from what Witnesses call “privileges”—MS, elder, pioneer, and so forth. Yet, isn’t this another case of the non-doers saying that the doers are doing it wrong? Witnesses are a close-knit group, organized that way for the sake of preaching the good news. They rub shoulders will peopl
    1 point
  23. Space Merchant

    THE TRINITY

    Anytime, but that being said, you still need to voice your claims, and every single time you avoid and run from the very things you said. Ok let's see what you have to say. And I am a debater, not a judge of a debate, for what I link are tell tale signs of a losing debater, and only the loser. And I love debates, be it in them or watching, I mentioned this before... In a debate, even those on the winning side can spit a few insults, unfortunately I am not on the losing end. I suggest you look into some debates, a notable debater being Ben Shapiro, Br. Myatt, Masur, etc.
    1 point
  24. @TrueTomHarley The only reason you think of me as being unhinged is so that it makes you feel easier about my comments. To use the excuse that you think someone has a mental problem, just because they tell the truth and you don't like it, well that's pretty poor Tom. But if it makes your life easier then ok go for it. JW Insider. Now is he still a JW ? I think so. Hence if he brings up a situation he does not want it to look too serious for the JW Org. 'that he regards is quite rare' does not mean it actually is 'quite rare' it just means that is his opinion. PUT NOT YOUR TRUST IN EARTH
    1 point
  25. That's an easy one. I did not wear mine two out of the three days. And guess what happened? Absolutely nothing! I think you are a little misguided there Jack. Do you really think that some elder is going to hunt someone down for not wearing a badge? If you really think that, then you have been damaged more than I thought. I am sorry and wish I could help.
    1 point
  26. In the Armed forces in UK and USA there are rules WRITTEN DOWN for soldiers to follow strictly. Yet it has been proved that in many cases those soldiers did not follow the rules. It is also the same in the JW Org. However in the JW Org, it would seem as if the elders are told not to follow the rules that are written down. The GB believe they have the right to tell lies and they call it spiritual warfare. So what is the point of them writing down rules which they know they will deliberately break. The point is, for people like BtK and Space Merchant to point to the written rule
    1 point
  27. @Anna Quote "it was not what the elders said, but it was what the Bible said." Yes love that. But it has never said in the Bible that men have to wear a suit and tie. Imagine Jesus getting to the sea shore and saying to those fishermen ' Guys I would have let you be my followers but you are not wearing a suit and tie' And back with the beards thing too. ' You guys have beards, you cannot follow me and preach'. . And I'm sure there are a few more such things. I was even told by an old brother, an Elder in fact, that years before paisley ties were forbidden. In my l
    1 point
  28. There is a quite a difference between a suggestion and a directive. Was the direction given as a suggestion? So delegates were free not to wear it? What would happen if one of them chose NOT to wear it?
    1 point
  29. @Anna You got me! Really it's because I have issues stemming from decades of mind control from the JW's.... So I am not a good example. Other people should save themselves and future generations from this radioactive titanic religious cult if they don't want their children discussing whether they are allowed to wear beards in 50 years from now. I would rather they study science, medicine or technology and actually do something to help mankind rather than spread hate toward apostates who don't agree with their version / translation of some 5,000 year old camel riding des
    1 point
  30. Hey critical thinker, why are you on here?
    1 point
  31. The usual treatment of the subject follows the idea that it was just a natural part of the mid-to-late 19th century style for men. *** g00 1/22 p. 24 A Close Shave *** In ancient Greek society, beards were normally worn by all except the nobility, who were often clean-shaven. In Rome the habit of shaving seems to have started in the second century B.C.E., and for several centuries thereafter, a daily shave remained the custom. With the fall of the Roman Empire, however, the beard once again prevailed, doing so for 1,000 years until the second half of the 17th century, when shaving bec
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