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    Or, just drop over into another Multiverse, in the extremely rare case that two solar systems collide, and disrupt the systems' planetary orbits. The advantage is that it can be done with ones' transporter belt, and the 'quivalent of a 9 volt transistor radio battery. uh ... assuming, of course that you HAVE a transporter belt ....
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    Jesus - The Way, the Truth, the Life Chapter 87 "Only Jehovah God and his Son can receive someone into the heavenly Kingdom or the Paradise on earth under that Kingdom. We should diligently cultivate friendship with them by using what material riches we have in supporting Kingdom interests. Our everlasting future will thus be assured when gold, silver, and other material riches fail or perish." This is saying we can buy, with material riches, a friendship with God and Christ. We can buy, with material riches, our way to eternal life. Do you believe this, JWs? No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money. Matt 6:24 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Matt 19:21-26 Jesus didn't say give to an organization that is highly developed and ready to expand to twice its present size. He said, give to the poor, to those in need. You've been duped into believing that donating to the organization will secure your "everlasting future". Does the Bible say anywhere that money is necessary to gain eternal life? Perhaps, money is necessary to feed the dreams of men and their expanding organization. Perhaps money is necessary to feed an idol that promises salvation. Rom 1:25; Rev 13:1,4,8 Whoever loves money never has enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income. This too is meaningless. Eccl 5:10 Instruct those who are rich in this present world not to be conceited or to fix their hope on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly supplies us with all things to enjoy. Instruct them to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is life indeed. 1 Tim 6:17-19 Do not love the world nor the things in the world If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life, is not from the Father, but is from the world. The world is passing away, and also its lusts; but the one who does the will of God lives forever. 1 John 2:15-17 The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at Jesus He said to them, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” Luke 16:14 Can we secure a friendship with the Father and Christ with material riches - money - when it is said... For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 1 Tim 6:10 To understand the parable of the "Wasteful Steward", go to - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot, Pearl Doxsey
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    TrueTomHarley

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I do appreciate your helping me hawk them. As to “sloppy input” and “poor research,” I really have no idea what you are talking about. Specific points made are very well attested to, and are selected to make a thorough defense of the Witness organization before any inclined to criticize it. “Dear Mr. Putin” is heavily documented for sources—a rough guess is that it contains about 600 endnotes. A lot of work went into it, and there is nothing else like it. There exists no comprehensive history of JW persecution in Russia with regard to the present ban other than my work. It is a huge international story, perhaps the story of the year with regard to freedom of worship, and yet it is nowhere completely covered (that i know of—I’d be happy to learn if there is any other) except for in my ebook. It is not primarily written for the friends, but for journalists, human rights and policy persons the world over. The fact that it is written by a Witness means that it is written from a Witness point of view, and that can hardly be a bad thing. Other books are not “research” per se, but a relating of events. When you relate events, all you have to do is relate them. The books insult no one, threaten no one, and are not disrespectful even to those with whom we disagree and to those who are causing us substantial problems. It may be simply the fact that they are written with a substantial light touch, even a sense of humor, that gets to you. Otherwise, I am not sure why you would keep harping on them.
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    The WT publication continues: Jesus also says that those who are faithful in caring for and using whatever riches or material things they have will be faithful in caring for matters of greater importance. “Therefore,” Jesus points out, “if you have not proved yourselves faithful in connection with the unrighteous riches, who will entrust you with what is true [such as Kingdom interests]?”—Luke 16:11. Jesus is showing his disciples that much will be asked of them if they are to be received “into the everlasting dwelling places.” One cannot be a true servant of God and at the same time be a slave to unrighteous, material riches. If 8 million people are handing over material riches to one entity, who is it that is a slave to material riches? It is the people who operate the entity, and who convince the 8 million people, that a “true servant of God” will do so, since the entity states their eternal lives depend…on the entity. Although, the 8 million people have also become slaves to material riches, which are bound up in the entity that they believe will lead them to eternal life. This is idolatry. Exod 23:13; Jonah 2:8; Ps 16:4; Acts 17:29; Rom 1:25 “They lift it upon the shoulder and carry it; They set it in its place (in one’s mind and heart) and it stands there. It does not move from its place. Though one may cry to it, it cannot answer; It cannot deliver him from his distress. Isa 46:7 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matt 11:28-30 A comment made a few years back... The meaning of unrighteous riches can be seen in 1 Cor 4:8 – “You are already full! You are already rich! You have reigned as kings without us—and indeed I could wish you did reign, that we also might reign with you!” This steward was cutting the debts owed to the Master, Jesus, using practical “earthly” wisdom to save his own soul, but he had no authority to do so. Each anointed in God’s house owe the Master a debt. Thus, the steward’s wisdom is centered not on the Kingdom, as a son of light, but on acquiring power and authority over all in God’s House, as a “son of this system of things”. If this steward was to ‘make friends’ by sharing authority with all in the house, he would later be judged by his fellow servants, as faithful. John 20:23 Jesus requires each servant of his house to give obedience to him only, not to one who thrives on “unrighteous riches”, who assumes the Master’s belongings are in his control. John 14:23,15; 8:51; 15:10; 1 John 2:5 It is true that when one exercises power and authority over others, material, worldly wealth come along with it. Ezek 16:14,15; Jer 2:20; Rev 2:21; 17:4; 18:3,7,12-14 But never did Jesus give the indication that material wealth could gain one advantage into the Kingdom. We know his entire message was to follow him, leaving behind anyone and anything, for his name’s sake. By doing so, he promised those would receive “a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life”. Matt 19:29 Matt 19:16-14; 18:16-24 Jesus’ parable of the steward in Luke 16:1-15 and the wicked slave in Matt 18:31-35 harmonize in giving a clear picture of the present day situation of undue authority over God’s house by the self-proposed “faithful and discreet slave”, assuming command through the use of tyrannical “unrighteous riches”.
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    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Sure do, actions speak louder than words. Your action and behavior is not conducive of a Christian. That's right! There needs to be at least one person to call out all you, opposers and the nonsense you claim in the name of God. 2 Corinthians 10:10-11 Context: Paul's Apostolic Authority 10For some say, “His letters are weighty and forceful, but his physical presence is unimpressive, and his speaking is of no account.” 11Such people should consider that what we are in our letters when absent, we will be in our actions when present. If you can’t understand scripture, why continue to “slander” 8 men you know nothing about in their personal devotion to the one true God, and how the commission of the Holy Spirit works and who God chooses. Get over yourself! You know me TTH. I couldn't care less. I wasn't referring to the sale of Books but rather sloppy input you receive and poor research points given. Your team has to answer to God. The good thing, your associates are NOT mind. I don't consider witnesses sitting on the fence witnesses in GOOD standing. Especially those that continue to "agree" with opposer views.
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    The perfect time to look for another inhabitable planet, jump off and take a ride to, you know, expand our horizons.
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    TrueTomHarley

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    No matter how many ebooks TTH has sold, it is not enough. Besides, the two most recent, one on the opposition to JWs in Russia, the other on their opposition in Western lands, are free—not sold at all.
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    Witness

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Do you have the ability to peer into my private worship given to God? Do you have the ability to know who I worship with? I didn't think so. What do you do besides slander opposers? Could you please provide scripture that proves he is rejecting my behavior?
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    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I have. If I was you, I wouldn't bolster that blog! Silly isn't it. Just like paying attention to your nonsense! Don't confuse me with TTH. He has the need for that kind of research. My research is more serious. However, The point was, you don't have an earthly body of Christ (Christ Church) filled with God's people that actually devote their time and lives in the worship of the one true God. What do you do besides bash and attack 8 men. What earthly Christian conduct does that prove? What part of the Body of Christ can you tether yourself, When Christ would reject you're behavior by his own words. You're no better than Pearl! That's all you opposers are, excuses and justifications. Use scripture to bolster any false claim.
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    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    When did Pearl start receiving direct instruction by God that you can't comprehend, if the 8 men you hate are writing their own doctrine even though "everything" is based on Bible Principle, why would anyone expect to think Pearl's doctrine that she does ADD to scripture cannot be considered the same. I suppose your internet connection is free to use, to ATTACK that organization. True you're not publicly asking for donations, but, do you have the need to ask for donations in that "oneness" ideology of yours in private. What part of Circumventing Jesus own words of "Unity" continues to fail you. Does Pearl sell books?
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    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I wouldn't be too quick to mention Idolize, but instead respect for those that God has chosen. No one should admire anyone. It doesn't mean, it doesn't happen here. Sometime, people defend others that gave input toward a book. That doesn't mean it's right. That kind of support doesn't get anyone anywhere with God. That would be the point. Look at your own actions and behavior. Don't worry about others. They will not be held into account in your behalf, unless you take the Responsibility of the FDS. Something tells me you have a lot to learn about scripture. Point being, the text you just submitted can be applied to you, and witness.
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    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    This is exactly why I didn't bother to answer you, back. Ex-witnesses have only ignorance to offer. I deal with Scholarly facts on debates, not boneheaded ones. No different of that from Pearl Dorsey. An embarrassment to even consider as an anointed. However, her pupil here has not been appointed by anyone put herself. God knows exactly where his Holy Spirit will be most beneficial and by whom he elects. I understand the counter argument. However, ex-witnesses as yourself, started that nonsense. Now prove how the governing body of the Watchtower is NOT in God's heart. They have more spirituality in their pinky than 100,000 ex-witnesses put together. Who do you think God would pick, sad people like you, or a person that his heart is in the sole service of God? Even someone like you can see the logic. I don't aspect you to understand, since you have to defend and prop your denials, just know I don't care about it.
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    Witness

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Dear JWI, I know you are fairly aware of what I believe, so hopefully I don't get too carried away here. I do not have nearly the knowledge of scripture that Pearl has. Inspiration of Holy Spirit among anointed is not a rare thing. On the contrary, those who remain “in Christ” would be inspired to speak according to scripture – according to the direction the Holy Spirit would lead them. Although it is “one Spirit”, each member of the anointed body would reveal its workings through the gifts individually given them. 1 Cor 12:7 Pearl’s gift benefits the other members – and all who care to listen - in an exclusive way. 1 Cor 12:11 I don’t think I would call those who have been disfellowshipped or shunned after say, 10-50 years spent in the organization, as “immature Witnesses”. The authority over JWs, is an iron fist in a velvet glove. The impact may not be felt, not perceived, until one stands up against its leaders. Surely, you know that people who speak against a “leadership” for misguiding individuals with wrong teachings or expectations, put their lives at risk. Those who do so in the organization, are the “mature ones”, who take hold of their own spiritual lives. They realize our judgment of eternal life or death comes from Christ. Rom 14:10 The assumed authority by men to judge people as spiritually “dead”, according to a big thick manual, (that is considered “confidential”) is frightening, isn’t it? To accept such authority (or 'leadership') over JWs, when the organization digs in their heals to resist facing their own sins, is hypocrisy. How can love spring forth from a leadership of hypocrisy? I so wish you could consider the “weightier matters” that I know you see, instead of justifying and making amends for the existence of the *organization, by straining out the gnat and swallowing a *camel. Matt 23:23,24 I’m curious how the Bible reveals that an earthly organization in Satan’s realm, could possibly be used as a tool for Christ’s Kingdom interests. Christ and Satan are enemies. Why would Christ utilize power, authority, and material interests that are all that Satan lusts after, and freely gives others who desire it, (as the “ruler of this world” John 12:31)… to embellish his Kingdom interests? Luke 4:5-7 John 18:36: Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.” His only interest is in the hearts of individuals. If we submit individually to his authority, we become a “kingdom interest”. Luke 17:21 It doesn’t take an organization to do this. About trees and fruit. Genesis mentions two trees. Gen 2:9 The tree that Eve eventually “ate” from, produced death. Rom 5:12 Satan offered her a lie, and she not only accepted it, but shared this lie with Adam. BOTH lost the gift of life. Jesus, as the Word of life, is the “tree” of life. Gen 3:22; John 1:1,14 He told us how we are to “eat” from the tree of life: "Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.” John 6:57 “For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.” 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” John 6:33,34 Through our obedience to his teachings, he says: "Let anyone who has ears to hear listen to what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.” Rev 2:7 (also 22:14) Since Christ is the Head of the anointed Body, his bodily members are also considered “trees”. We know there would be no deviance, no misleading word or teaching coming from the mouth of Christ, since each word he spoke, contained life. John 14:6 There is no “bad fruit” that Christ would produce. So too, should it be with the anointed “trees” (or, branches of the vine) that are to “remain in him” – receiving the same Holy Spirit. John 15:4; Mark 11:24; John 14:26 The anointed must learn, from their Head, Christ. It is only then that they also, can produce lasting “fruit”/teachings sourced from Holy Spirit. John 6:56; Mal 2:7 Well, could you be ignoring what Jesus taught about a “good tree”? Would you be justifying WT’s teachings by doing so? He didn’t say both bad and good fruit are found on a good tree. Matt 7:18; 12:33 “For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit” Luke 6:43 Surely, since the Pharisees knew the law, there were good things that they taught the people (Matt 23:3), but they were not considered by John the Baptist as a tree that imparted “good fruit”. Matt 3:7-10 There is a clear distinction between what is good and what is bad in the Bible. A “good” anointed tree would be found trustworthy to produce “fruit” sourced in Christ – always reliable, always lasting, teachings that always are able to be built upon. John 15:16 If an anointed one misleads his hearers with a worthless piece of fruit – a “teaching” that he said is from God but is now discarded, how is this any different than the lie Satan told Eve? Dear JWI, you are believing that “surely we will not die” because it is okay to accept doctrine from the leaders of “Jehovah’s organization” that was absolutely, a lie to begin with. Satan is “sifting” all of us by using “teachings”/words/lies, from his own bodily members - his “ministers of light”. Luke 22:31; 2 Cor 11:13-15 This is why, during the last days both truth and lies are presented by anointed “trees”/ “kings of the earth”. Rev 1:5; 19:16,19 Which “tree” of those “kings" we choose to listen to, is what our heart desires. Matt 10:40-42; 15:18; 2 Thess 2:9-12 In the Kingdom, along with the “tree of life”, are found his “trees”/Bride: Ezek 47:12 -- "All kinds of trees providing food will grow along both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fresh fruit because the water comes from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for medicine." Rev 22:17 - “The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.” John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” And...I got carried away. "Two Trees" - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot Pearl Doxsey
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    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    This is true. You don’t speak ill of the people you support. You don’t speak badly about TTH, Srecko, JTR, Anna, ComforMyPeople, Witness, Shiwiii Etc. People that either oppose the Watchtower or criticize it. However, you do go to great lengths to argue with those that oppose the opposer’s position on false and misleading information. Much as you are accustomed to doing. There is a good reason why opposers tend to give you a positive vote. Can it be because they see in you exactly how they feel in their hearts? Can it be, the people here have a disingenuous motive and falsely portray themselves as a light, when indeed their hearts are in darkness? You just made a grave mistake supporting the nonsense of “Pearl” much as you have supported “Barbara Anderson” in the past. Apostasy is your greatest strength and it will continue to be. No wonder you kiss up to witness. Isaiah 1:16 Meaningless Offerings 15When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you multiply your prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood. 16Wash and cleanse yourselves. Remove your evil deeds from My sight. Stop doing evil! 17Learn to do right, seek justice, correct the oppressor, defend the fatherless, plead for the widow. How do you justify the disdain that “witness” shows against 8 men that is the focus of that darkened heart? Compassion should not be something given but earned in order to receive mercy. Who, has given you the ability to forgive sin? Who has made you a spokesman for the Watchtower? This person professes to be anointed. How dare either of you compare yourselves to the sound doctrine of Christ, and the words of God. The same position of an immoral brother that you have always been. 1 Corinthians 5:13 Expel the Immoral Brother 12What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.” Birds of a feather flock together. A good reason not to criticize those that oppose the Watchtower. So don’t try to be a sanctimonious martyr of good will.
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    Ah yes! My favorite! Besides Tetris, it's the only video game that I actually bought and loaded on my early PCs. I've gone several years without playing any video games or simulations, but I'll be very happy to try this one again. (I have to admit that I have also used the flight simulator function on Google Earth, and even tried out a few free flight sims for the iPhone.) I don't think people want to admit how often in the early MS Flight Simulator, that so many of us took off from the default airport and found ourselves trying to manage circle-eight maneuvers around the World Trade Center buildings in a Boeing 747 -- and inevitably crashing into them (pre 9/11).
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    JW Insider

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    For the record I have never heard you say anything here that did not sound sincere. I have never heard a word from you that I would have thought was borne out of hate or even OCD. However, there is a such thing as a "zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge." Of course, I'm sure your knowledge of scripture is at least as good as Pearl's, but as I've said before, the interpretation appears to unnecessarily "pick on" the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. Earlier you quoted from Matthew 7: 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. I realize that this is not about identifying an organization, but is more about how Christ Jesus along with Jehovah's spirit produces a good tree producing truth, comfort, healing, and good qualities among those who follow. The problem with your own view, in my opinion, is that you already claim that it's the association of Jehovah's Witnesses through which the faithful anointed are coming through, and for this reason such an association fulfills Bible prophecy. But these faithful anointed are therefore being produced through the association of Jehovah's Witnesses -- and no bad true tree can produce good fruit. Also, anointed aside, I think all of us who are associated with Jehovah's Witnesses see GOOD FRUIT being produced among us. All of also see many of the wrongs, and most of us are not willing to discuss the wrongs, or admittedly, even "process" such things. Sometimes that's because some of us are obviously thinking that the organization has some kind of direct authority over us. This is no doubt a common view of immature Witnesses. But the Bible makes us realize that such an organization can be used as a tool for Christ's Kingdom interests, but that Christ's authority transcends organization. The organization is an expected result of trying to efficiently and lovingly get the word out to as many people as possible in as many lands (and languages) as possible. Human nature leads some in the organization to assume that they need to have (or see) some kind of temporal, worldly-styled authority over other persons, but many of us realize that we are not actually under the authority of men. Yet, we appreciate the leadership and example of men in the organization. Unrelated to that issue of authority, most of can easily see how the effect of a world-wide association of Witnesses is both an opportunity for each of us to show the fruits of God's spirit, and it becomes an example, even a "Witness," to the good effects of God's holy spirit. I'll grant that there is much to improve, but even if it produces SOME good fruit, then it is coming from a "good" tree. We don't have to chop down the tree, because it's not a bad tree. My own interpretation is that the "organization" is not the tree of Matt 7:17,18 anyway, it's just that the good influence of Jehovah's holy spirit helps such a "tool" to reflect usefulness as an "instrument" or "vessel" because it is made up of well meaning sincere and loving people who want to do what is right. Organization or "orderliness" is just another potential result of wanting to do what is right in the best ways possible.
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    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Hi! Srecko (Lucky) The first thing you need to consider, is Bible interpretation one thing, and Bible translation another? Keep that in mind when you ask yourself a very important question. Do you believe Jesus had “faith” the ancient scrolls were well written and represented what his father’s intention was for mankind? The follow-up question should be why, do you believe the scribes have corrupted the ancient writings to a point it now defers from the time of Jesus and think God would allow his inspired word, be so corrupted that it could not be interpreted and translated by modern linguist. Wouldn't that poison the body of Christ since Jesus is the Christian Church. Consider the following. If you have a well-rounded rebuttal and reframe from personal speculation and vendetta, I will respond. 1996 Hebrew Bible Old Testament the History of Its Interpretation, vol. 1 page 20 “Every discipline of research that is of some age has its specific history, without which its identity would not be fully understood. It is, therefore, perceivable that the history of research, as a discipline of its own, in recent years has become an expanding scholarly matter of concern, both in science and in humanities, and not least in the field of biblical studies. It may be maintained that the writing of the history of studies increasingly seems to be regarded as a significant scholarly challenge. 1. In view of a broader context of the present new History of biblical studies two introductory remarks of a general character may be relevant. First, historiography of research is, methodically, not different from any other kind of historiography, each kind having its distinct character according to its specific object and setting. A critical history of the study and interpretation of the Hebrew Bible / Old Testament through the centuries has definitely a most specific object of its own; at the same time, however, ft. will be but a part of cultural and social history in general as well as of ecclesiastical history and Bible studies in particular (cf. M E I N H O L D; E B E L I N G). 2. Second, the basic and partly philosophical questions of what 'history' and 'historiography' really might be cannot, for obvious reasons, be discussed as such or at any length on this occasion, and far less so as the opinions concerning these issues among historians and other scholars occupied with historiography are considerably divergent.” Your response will deal with facts. Who is more qualified to interpret and translate God's inspired word. A scholar or a servant of God. Especially a servant that is "faithful" and "chosen" by God. Then ask yourself, is anyone here qualified to honestly answer your two questions?
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    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    You just made my day TTH with this scathing rolling commentary. I wouldn’t expect anything different. That was for the benefit of those that don’t know me, and don’t know how long I have been around, so they don’t think I’m a “newbie” just because I have been “deleted” at you're, Anna, JWinsider, JTR, possibly, Melinda, Eloine Joyce, and many others, request for censor. It is also good that you understand, I will correct anyone that thinks they know the Watchtower, and scripture to the best of their ability without realizing their abilities are not the best intended, when speaking for the Watchtower. There are far too many apostates out there to listen to those pretending to be members of the Org, here. You hit the nail on the head, when you stated, there might be someone to inadvertently stumble into this site, because of deceptive advertisement. Those brothers, can easily accept the words of a member NOT in good standing, and think, that’s the way other witnesses think. They wouldn’t know a real apostate from a pretender of the Org. That’s the exposure. So people can understand who is “fake” and who is “genuine”. You should know by now, I don’t care one way or another since everyone knows, we are responsible for our own behavior, and we have to deal with God’s judgment. If anybody wishes to sustain their stance on false interpretation of scripture, I won’t concern myself with them. Remember, I’m talking about “fake” members, not opposers. Each generation has an obligation to bring in their best spiritual and scriptural experience, forward. When someone misrepresents past Watchtower literature as though they fully understood it, I will make that distinction. Always have, always will. As for who is the Admin and Librarian, I understand, we know what’s what!!! Just so you know when people are banned. We know who done it!! Remember, I’m not trying to change peoples mind here. Never have. A closed mind has no wisdom. I’m trying to prevent others from falling into a trap by false prophets. Especially those that start with, WE as JW's should not defend 1975 when it is clear the Watchtower made a mistake. The Watchtower didn't, imperfect people that wanted the world to end on 1975 did. Leave the Watchtower out of that nonsense.
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    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Anna seems to think you were being sarcastic toward JW’s and Not God. What she “fails” to understand is, I wasn’t referring about JW’s but instead concentrated on your own blasphemous words? “Its good food until it becomes rotten, and “Jehovah has to come up with new food” God doesn’t need to provide anything to us humans. He does so, so that we can benefit from his spiritual wisdom. God gave up his son as a sacrifice in order for humanity to have a second chance for internal life. How dare you insinuate as well as Anna that it was meant to be sarcastic toward JW’S? How dare you command God that he has to come up with new food? That’s what “has to” is, a command. When, did you become above God to order God to do something. An attack to God’s sovereignty as well. Your blasphemous statement that “Jehovah has to come up with NEW FOOD is a direct attack on God. You have made the, grievous of sins since you attacked God’s Holy Spirit that dispenses that “fine” fruits. IT IS UP TO GOD TO DECIDE IF THAT FRUIT SHOULD BE REVISED FOR THE NEXT GENERATION, NOT YOURS, NOT WITNESS, NOT JWINSIDER, NOT TTH, NOT ANNA, NOT JTR, NOT ANYONE’S BUT HIS ALONE. Anna might want to dismiss your words. She can’t. She doesn’t have the power to forgive such a sin. She, might think so, but she would only be fooling herself. People need to start respecting God more here. As for the governing body. They hold, apply, and obey God’s words more than you. You are a sanctimonious and arrogant man that just lost his soul. This is the kind of Christianity being argued here by opposers? Get behind me Satan. That’s all on you Bub!
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    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I’m glad you finally admit, what a false prophet you are. I agree with your assessment that you alone can mislead more JW’s than 8 men. The good thing, those 8 men don’t have the support of Satan, much as you do, witness. I see you still try to impress everyone by your long post. When will you and JWinsider learn, expanding your comments weakens your position of not applying scripture in a manner consistent to Christ teachings. Misrepresenting Watchtower literature is so last, year. With your comment, you condemn Christ. You crucify him once again, and for what. As you stated, to mislead more JW’s. I framed it for prosperity. I assume you will try to clean what is actual truth in your statement. Let, Pearl know she needs to get better students. Since you entered Psalms 140:1, what danger do you feel those 8 men pose to you that you alone pose to yourself? Keep in mind, the context here is “prayer for rescue”, not exactly the same as in Matthew about fruits of the tree. Matthew’s context that you submitted has to do with, knowing them by their fruits. Matt 7:15-20 So, who is them? Are you them? What fine fruits can you bear with hate in your heart? In 2 Corinthians 4:1-4 Paul is making a distinction between the “light of Christ gospel” “A treasure in Clay jars” “Treasure in earthen vessels” So, what fine gospel of Christ can be compared to the disdain you harbor for your fellow humans, especially those you hate, the 8 men? What kind of pearl of wisdom can be applied by your standards, that others would be willing to accept? How does this comparison give you a sustainable argument against the 8 men you so hate?
  22. 1 point
    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    You must be confused TTH. I know the parrot is you. I don't think you would "BAN" yourself, unless you feel you need to do it in order to confuse people or make a deceptive point. I've known that Parrot since Jehovah's Witness dot net when you spoke harshly about the Watchtower. So, try to keep your deceptive story straight. You will make a better storyteller. But, I will agree, I have been banned because of people like you, Anna, JWinsider, JTR. People that are far from being witnesses. So, I don't see why you argue with "witness" another false prophet, when you should be, agreeing with her. I don't see the need to continue being deceptive about whom the Admin and the Librarian is. Who the old hen is. That boat sailed long ago when you gave up that info by trying to computer hack a member of my group. Therefore, stop trying to be cute and witty, you're no better a liar than, JWinsider. Ban me again!
  23. 1 point
    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Follow, admire, and elevate, whatever terminology works for you. That’s why I follow “only” God. If I followed a human and their idea of interpretation of scripture. I wouldn’t call myself Christian. No one should. This is why, I'm confident above all other religions, The Watchtower holds the truth. I am proud to be part of the Org. If you follow Aruana, that’s up to you, but some people call that stocking. Please don’t compare me with what JWinsider and Anna are doing, it’s beneath your dignity, and insulting to Aruana. But to a certain extent, you are correct, many in my group do show how fake the news is here, regardless if they get deleted in the end. Somehow, fighting a good fight for God is above anything, here. 1 Timothy 6:12 Since we are no longer friends, then I will add you to the list. I do consider myself a typical soldier of God. Always have been and always will.
  24. 1 point
    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    It's good you follow a man rather than follow God. That my friend has always been your problem. I don't believe Melinda is the owner. We know who the owner is. I think there is enough "fake news" out there to start a play for it here. I have no doubt some here consider themselves witnesses. I’m referring between a “good” witness and a “bad” witness. These differences are noticeable. As for caring, you and most of all the old posters know my stance. It is not a matter of being kind, it becomes a matter of priorities. When Jesus “rebuked” Peter in Matthew 16:23. Do you think Jesus was being kind or loving? Get behind me Satan, you are a stumbling block to me. Therefore, Jesus set his priority to his passion. Then the question becomes, are we being, loving to allow other members distort the truth, just because it’s done anonymously? Doesn’t this mean they bring their own interpretation of scripture to others? Are we being kind to allow misinformation fester without calling on those with Matthew in mind? This is the mindset, a scholar as myself consider. I'm not here to research for books, or do weak researches to bolster my view. I defend the truth. You would think, being on the right side of God would follow a true Christian wherever they are.
  25. 1 point
    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    My dear friend TTH. As far as I can tell no one here is a true JW, I’ve said it before. No one here speaks for the Watchtower. That is especially true for JWinsider. In order for that to happen, a JW would need to adhere and comply fully with scripture. This site is meant to give spiritually weak people the platform to speak out against the Watchtower. Those of us, or at least I never, thought I could convince anyone here about anything within what their tormented minds have already decided. I never cared for it. I know my group doesn’t care either. What they do care, is “sitting the record straight” about many deceptions, misleading, misguided, misrepresentation and plain false allegations about the Watchtower and Bible Truth. You have not chased anyone away. But you have “banned” people at your leisure. A little like “if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen” scenario. It is apparent you prefer to have opposers (around) than true “defenders of the truth”. There’s a difference. That doesn’t mean you can ban everyone. Someone will come in to defend the Watchtower from slander. They will defend God’s truth within the Watchtower from ex-witness bashing. Something too common here. The point is, this site has a “false” presentation about “News regarding JW.org, Watchtower, IBSA including... “ that make people think this is NOT an apostate site, when indeed it is. If you don’t want defenders of the truth, change your website platform to exclude the Watchtower and stop advertising this site as a JW friendly site. I just want to make sure your words are honest and realist. Now, I agree with Melinda, you should close this post. It’s gone rogue!! Of course, I mean after one of you makes a disingenuous comment as the last word in this post. I understand strength and pride.
  26. 1 point
    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I understand the power you have. You must be confused on whom the bad ones are. Try a little honesty.
  27. 1 point
    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Take it however you want, and accept it, Duh! I won't try to justify it that way. I just happen to have more "respect" for God than just seeing it as sarcasm.
  28. 1 point
    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    In this case, YES! I think you should know the difference between the word "insult" and the word "rebuke". Without TTH having to insult people instead of rebuking opposers would be the understanding. I didn't know I needed to spell it out to anyone here. But, I'll make an exception in your case.
  29. 1 point
    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Are you telling God what to do? WOW! Setting yourself above God. I haven’t seen such a blasphemous comment. You just condemned your mortal soul, by sinning against God's Holy Spirit. Not to mention God's sovereignty. I hope it was worth it to you. You can try to apologize, but that kind of sin is unforgivable.
  30. 1 point
    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Then you have 5000 prime examples. Just because the owner tolerates those that oppose the ORG is meaningless. You are a fine example of supporting opposers. Then your strength is in your hair, since you no longer have any, your moral strength went with it. I don't find any humor about your cartoons at all. People who think your witty, are encouraging the devils work. I don't find any of that funny. So, continue blasting those that oppose the opposers. You're no Christian, no more than they are. You're no more a witness than they are. Who are you fooling, yourself. But then again, you always have. No surprise there.
  31. 1 point
    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Keep blowing hot air as you normally do. I don't pay attention to insane people.
  32. 1 point
    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I would say, quit while your foot is still in your mouth. I think you have insulted enough people already. Keep it to a minimum. Insulting actual witnesses and not opposers is not the way to go if you are a genuine witness. If not, then show your true colors and not pretend to be something you're not. I think we have enough impostors here already to add more to the mix.
  33. 1 point
    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Then you must have a great opinion against yourself. I would suggest learning scripture correctly before telling someone else they got something in scripture wrong. That just means you and your church have a different interpretation of scripture. Is it the correct one? You give a fine example of what Christ was NOT looking for in the Christian church, Divisions and strife. So how “correct” is your interpretation of scripture is you cannot keep simple commands of Christ. No different from seeing JWInsider go toe to toe with Arauna because of pride and thinking his argument is better than “facts” presented by others. Self-indulgence is so late year.
  34. 1 point
    Arauna

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Witness - I give short comment and get out......I do not spend hours on people when I see they are set in opposition to JWs or wrong interpretations ...or OCD - I cut loose..... don't really waste my time..... only if I have a few minutes..... not really involved here. I do not take well to repeating same thing over and over and expect different results. ..... don't like OCD. Only have sympathy for genuine OCD anxieties.
  35. 1 point
    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Couldn't agree with you more on your assessment. While it is true that back in the 90s a Chinese citizen could criticize if something was not right when it was placed as a ruling mandate, it doesn’t mean, Chinese citizens had full freedom to express what western nations call freedom of speech, freedom to live a life as they chose or pleased. China is still a communist nation with limited freedoms. The problem now with China is what Hitler might have thought of after Germany lost WW1, resources. China not only is targeting Africa but other nations like Australia. While it failed with Australia, and the USA, it is having an imprint in third world nations. Mexico is one of those nations. “The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) also strengthened its power over the government Bureaucracy in a major overhaul of central government structure in March. The party oversees a powerful new government body, the National Supervisory Commission, which is empowered to detain incommunicado anyone exercising public authority for up to six months without fair trial procedures in a system called “liuzhi.” In October, Meng Hongwei, then-president of Interpol, the international police Organization, and China’s vice minister for Public Security, disappeared upon return To China and was assumed to be held in “liuzhi.” The CCP also subsumed state bodies in charge of religious, ethnic, and overseas Chinese affairs under a party agency, the United Front Work Department. Authorities dramatically stepped up repression and systematic abuses against the 13 million Turkic Muslims, including Uyghurs and ethnic Kazakhs, in China’s northwestern Xinjiang region. Authorities have carried out mass arbitrary detention, torture, and mistreatment of some of them in various detention facilities, and increasingly imposed pervasive controls on daily life. New regulations in Tibet now criminalize even traditional forms of social action, including community mediation by religious figures. In Hong Kong, a region promised “a high degree of autonomy” under the Sino-British Joint Declaration, the Chinese and Hong Kong governments hastened their efforts in 2018 to undermine people’s rights to free speech and political participation. Human rights defenders continue to endure arbitrary detention, imprisonment, and enforced disappearance. The government maintains tight control over the internet, mass media, and academia. Authorities stepped up their persecution of religious communities, including prohibitions on Islam in Xinjiang, suppression of Christians in Henan province, and increasing scrutiny of Hui Muslims in Ningxia. If China was as free as some people think, we would know what happened to the young protester (Tank Man) in Tiananmen Square on June 4, 1989. This is why “censorship” has gotten worse in recent decades in China. Therefore, both views can be correct. What is not correct is to think Chinese people can criticize the government of “mainland China” and think there won’t be consequences and retaliation from the government. I believe the word province works. Hong Kong is now a province of China where Chinese people have criticized the government of mainland china. What is happening now because of it? Also, what Trump is doing to influence the advancement of prophetic time is in line with scripture. William Barr is advocating a more religious stance to bring his kind of “morality” back to US society. The problem there, it conflicts with the moral and standards of scripture, even though BARR speaks as though it’s done in the name of Christ Jesus as an evangelical.
  36. 0 points
    TrueTomHarley

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Arrgghhhh I have not spoken harshly about the Watchtower, and I don’t think I ever commented on jw.net. At any rate, the parrot was selected specifically for an identity here. Vic Vomidog is an fictional apostate from my first book—a “perennial” apostate, George Chrysiddes has called him—and he has not appeared on any other website than here. Possibly you are thinking of some comment meant to be humorous and the humor missed the mark, at least in your instance. You must understand that when I write of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I give away many a fault, but they are nearly always quirks and human foibles. This is deliberate and is not meant to convey any disrespect to the Watchtower. If we try to present ourselves as Rhodes scholars, people visit a Kingdom Hall and see through it in two seconds. No. We are ordinary people—with an emphasis on the ordinary, the same as was true of the early Christians. They did not “lift themselves up by their own bootstraps” later in life. They remained always “uneducated and ordinary” by the world’s standards, that description of the ones taking the lead in Jerusalem. Such is the nature of Christianity. Jehovah’s Witnesses have held on to that pattern. It is a working-class religion. It always has been. It draws disproportionally from that group. Ones more highly educated are welcome, but not to assume the takeover rights to which they are accustomed. My aim always is to present Jehovah’s Witnesses as earthen vessels, and they are more desirable on that account. Moreover, God is more to be praised on that account: “However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not from us.” - 2 Corinthians 4:7 I don’t even kick back anymore when some scoundrel tries to present it as though JWs have higher than elsewhere incidences of mental illness. I have no idea whether that is true or not, but I say that if it is, it is exactly what one would expect from Jesus’s remarks that he came to minister, not to those not who do not need a physician, but to those who do. He is speaking “spiritual sickness,” of course, but sickness tends to overflow its banks. Ones truly “sighing and groaning over all the detestable things” may well display signs of emotional stress. This does not make them undesirable. It is the ones that sail full speed ahead, untroubled by the atrocities so clearly visible on all sides that you have to wonder about. With admittedly some exaggeration, I have stated: “When Jehovah’s Witnesses go nuts, they are still well-meaning persons who wouldn’t hurt a fly. When those of the greater world go nuts, you’d better call the SWAT team. Humor can make “the medicine go down.” People like humor. But it does not translate well, and there are some people with no sense of humor at all. If it does not translate well, then snark and sarcasm translate even worse. I use them all. My intended audience is not primarily the friends. I hope they like it, but I am not mainly writing for them. This is the reason that the Watchtower writes very plainly (some would say blandly). It is frustrating to those who love to read, but it is something that must be—they do not want their writing diluted when some take exception to what doesn’t have to be there in the first place, so they stick to strictly the spiritual aspects of things and touch on current news topic specifics to such a shallow degree that it is a turnoff to those imagining themselves better plugged in. It has to be that way. Just look at how JWI and Arauna are going at it over something that both concede is a sidepoint. It is perfectly okay for such to play out here, but the WT organization would never even touch the topic.
  37. 0 points
    Anna

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    He's being sarcastic about Jehovah's Witnesses, not about God.
  38. 0 points
    TrueTomHarley

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Not that I know of. Besides, I don’t follow her. I said so. It’s news to me. I haven’t changed that much in two hours.
  39. 0 points
    TrueTomHarley

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    No, don’t @Melinda Mills (are YOU the owner?)—not yet. Let me answer Allen first. I may not get to till it tomorrow, though. Perhaps I can bump it up. If my meetings with Vic Vomidog, Dr Max “Ace” Inhibitor, Professor Adhomenen, Arguis Maxus, and a few others go well, maybe I can get back here tonight.
  40. -1 points
    James Thomas Rook Jr.

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    People that have "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" will go to great lengths to prove, with distorted logic and reasoning that their viewpoint of the Universe ... centered on them ... is correct. You can prove them wrong a hundred times on any one subject, and they will NEVER accept it. I would not be surprised if Foreigner would ban himself/herself/themselves, just to appear to be correct, and then reappear as another entity, and say "see, I TOLD you so!"., thinking in their own mind that they were forced out by others. Whatever happens to NPD people who irritate, insult, disparage and malign everyone around them who think rationally ... is NEVER their own fault. ... except that in reality ... it always is.
  41. -1 points
    Matthew9969

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Hey bub, it's your governing body who keeps on changing the spiritual food they dish out, which is supposedly from Jehovah, it's your governing body who are telling Jehovah what to say, and you are worshipping them, that's all on you.




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