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    Sounds like Allen Smith is in a tizzy for having to create multiple new accounts........AGAIN! Allen, you can come out now, we know it's you!
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    I think you are exactly right. This is why I said the following: That was based on Hebrews 13, of course, and also: (1 Tim. 5:17) Let the elders who preside in a fine way be considered worthy of double honor, especially those who work hard in speaking and teaching. As Christians, we should question every one of our teachings, to make sure it is brought into obedience with Christ's teachings. We should never shirk our responsibility to "make sure of all things," "prove to yourselves," "test the inspired utterances," "pay close attention to your teaching," "see whether these things were so," etc., etc. And since the Governing Body have become the most public of our elder committees, and have taken on a greater responsibility, it is vital that we question them just as we should question a local body of elders. More will be asked of those to whom more has been given. Teachers will receive heavier judgment. We don't just want to have our ears tickled. In the NWT, the paragraph that starts out with 1 Tim 5:17, quoted above, ends with this phrase, after a discussion about reproving elders before all onlookers: (1 Timothy 5:21) 21 I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus and the chosen angels to observe these instructions without any prejudice or partiality. Remember that there was a group of men in the first century that, due to a set of circumstances, were being seen as a kind of "governing body" that was at least indirectly exerting an strong influence on the doctrines of distant congregations. Galatia was very far from Jerusalem; it was about as far from Antioch, as Antioch was from Jerusalem. So Paul wrote to Galatia about those men who were at least indirectly creating such an influence on them, and he said: (Galatians 1:7-3:1) 7 Not that there is another good news; but there are certain ones who are causing you trouble and wanting to distort the good news about the Christ. . . . Is it, in fact, men I am now trying to persuade or God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still pleasing men, I would not be Christ’s slave. . . . 15 But when God, who separated me . . . so that I might declare the good news about him to the nations, I did not immediately consult with any human; 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before I was, but I went to Arabia, and then I returned to Damascus. 18 Then three years later I went up to Jerusalem to visit Ceʹphas, and I stayed with him for 15 days. 19 But I did not see any of the other apostles, only James the brother of the Lord. . . . . 2 Then after 14 years I again went up to Jerusalem with Barʹna·bas, also taking Titus along with me. 2 I went up as a result of a revelation, and I presented to them the good news that I am preaching among the nations. This was done privately, however, before the men who were highly regarded, to make sure that I was not running or had not run in vain. 3 Nevertheless, not even Titus, who was with me, was compelled to be circumcised, although he was a Greek. 4 But that matter came up because of the false brothers brought in quietly, who slipped in to spy on the freedom we enjoy in union with Christ Jesus, so that they might completely enslave us; 5 we did not yield in submission to them, no, not for a moment, so that the truth of the good news might continue with you. 6 But regarding those who seemed to be important—whatever they were makes no difference to me, for God does not go by a man’s outward appearance—those highly regarded men imparted nothing new to me. 7 On the contrary, . . . .9 and when they recognized the undeserved kindness that was given me, James and Ceʹphas and John, the ones who seemed to be pillars, gave Barʹna·bas and me the right hand of fellowship, so that we should go to the nations but they to those who are circumcised. . . . 11 However, when Ceʹphas came to Antioch, I resisted him face-to-face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12 For before certain men from James arrived, . . . 13 The rest of the Jews also joined him in putting on this pretense, so that even Barʹna·bas was led along with them in their pretense. 14 But when I saw that they were not walking in step with the truth of the good news, . . . . 3 O senseless Ga·laʹtians! Who has brought you under this evil influence. . . ? So when Paul told Timothy not to show any partiality when it came to reproving elders before all onlookers, we see that Paul had already "walked the walk." If we are to be imitators of Paul's example, then we should be willing to look closely at all the doctrines and influences that we are taught, no matter who they come from. Even if from those who seem to be important, even if from the very pillars of the congregation, even if from James, Peter or John, or men sent from them. Would we be willing to resist such ones face to face? Or would we yield in submission because they were highly regarded? Fortunately, of course, that matter in Jerusalem was cleared up with the help of the holy spirit. Fortunately for us, most matters of this magnitude have already been cleared up, too, and we have no problem always giving the benefit of the doubt to those who want us to submit to their lead. This probably causes no problems at all for 99 percent of us. But we should still learn from the apostle Paul's words, that our teachings should not come from men, and that we should always be ready to resist any teachings that still need to be brought into harmony with the good news, no matter from whom or where we learned them. We should be happy to have a committee of elders who are willing to take on the necessary responsibilities for the world-wide congregations. We should respect them, honor them, and follow their lead. However, the teaching that claims that the Governing Body is equal to the Faithful and Discreet Slave of Mt 24 is one of those teachings that we should question, specifically for the Biblical reasons that Jesus and Paul gave us. Also because it directly contradicts other Watchtower teachings from the March 15 2015 Watchtower. Also, it gives the impression that there are specific humans that we should always identify as Leaders, (even "Governors") instead of looking IMPARTIALLY to each particular example of conduct and faith, to contemplate how it turns out. It gives us the impression that, for doctrinal matters, a certain group of men should always have the FINAL say, and can therefore override the Christian-trained conscience of individuals, who will stand or fall before the judgment seat as individuals. As true and discreet slaves, we will each take the initiative (take the lead, see footnote on) in carrying each other's burdens. None of us, no matter how much we think of ourselves, will believe that more honor goes to us than we should give to others. This is what true obedience means: (Galatians 6:2-5) . . .Go on carrying the burdens of one another, and in this way you will fulfill the law of the Christ. 3 For if anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he is deceiving himself. 4 But let each one examine his own actions, and then he will have cause for rejoicing in regard to himself alone, and not in comparison with the other person. 5 For each one will carry his own load. (Romans 12:9-16) 9 Let your love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is wicked; cling to what is good. 10 In brotherly love have tender affection for one another. In showing honor to one another, take the lead.[fn, initiative] 11 Be industrious, not lazy. Be aglow with the spirit. Slave for Jehovah. 12 Rejoice in the hope. Endure under tribulation. Persevere in prayer. 13 Share with the holy ones according to their needs. Follow the course of hospitality. 14 Keep on blessing those who persecute; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice; weep with those who weep. 16 Have the same attitude toward others as toward yourselves; do not set your mind on lofty things, but be led along with the lowly things. Do not become wise in your own eyes.
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    Buying and selling real estate for purposes of having buildings to meet in is just a common function of getting along in the world we live in. "Otherwise we would have to get out of the world," as Paul said. But there have been some rather ironic "Dedication" talks by WT presidents, vice-presidents, and Governing Body members through the years. Some of these buildings were "dedicated" for one purpose, and one purpose only: to be used from that point until the Great Tribulation, and hopefully even through Armageddon as places where only true worship of Jehovah would always shine. I have a copy of a dedication talk for the old Assembly Hall in Queens NY from the 1970's, which had several of these types of references as I recall. Some of this was 1970's "hyperbole" just like the way Rutherford dedicated Beth Sarim in San Diego for the continued use of Abraham and David after 1925, but ultimately sold it off to "worldly" persons.
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    Since Jehovah's Witnesses seem to have made it a recurring event to attend the human rights conferences of the OCSE, I checked the OCSE website if they did so again this year. I found something else that I haven't heard of before: The European Association of Jehovah's Witnesses, Religious Freedom Subcommittee Based in UK and/or Belgium this Jehovah's Witnesses' committee submits statements and document to the OCSE, the UN, and others.The submissions are all about protecting the human rights, freedom of religion, and assets of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is unclear whether any official representation of Jehovah's Witnesses actually attended in person some of the meetings and conferences for which submissions or statements were submitted. They have done so in the past for OCSE conferences. A few of the documents submitted by Religious Freedom Subcommittee of The European Association of Jehovah's Witnesses: Submission to the Comittee of Ministers of the Council of Europe (20-11-2017)
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    Statement for the OSCE Supplementary Human Dimension Meeting 1-2 April 2019, Vienna
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    Submission to the UN Human Rights Committee (02-06-2019)
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    Contribution to the Report of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights (05-07-2018)
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    Submission to the UN Human Rights Committee CCPR (29-04-2018)
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    Contribution for the 33rd session (6-17 May 2019) of the UPR Democratic Republic of Congo
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    What is the UPR? For the record: I do not deny Jehovah's Witnesses the right to stand up for their interests, and demand from governments and international organizations that human rights are protected. But it's odd that they are so fiercely opposed to political involvement, yet petition governments and ministers on regular basis. It's very odd that Jehovah's Witnesses petition the United Nations to protect their religious freedoms, and at the same time they believe the UN to be the very entity that will attack all religions.
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    I'm finding less and less of that "standard stuff" when you search on names of denominations. There was and still is a lot of talk in some countries of treating the Catholic Church as a "criminal organization" due to the high percentage of child abuse accusations. There were some schools and insitutions within the church where the percentage of accusations was so high that if it were found in any other institution, the entire organization would have been seen as a sex trafficking ring. But the Catholic Church gets a pass because of a traditional, historical reputation of promoting faith and peace (in spite of some pretty big lapses: Inquisition, Trinity, Hell, Purgatory, Hitler, and nearly half this world's wars). Also, as you mention, religious charities and "life improvements" take the strain off the institutions that try to govern. This is what keeps the beast from turning on those who ride on its back, tax-free. And, of course, the ability of a religion to make an immoral war seem moral to its constituents is a cozy form of payback to the beast, in lieu of taxes. The symbiotic relationship between beast and rider has saved her so far. But there have been exceptions when the religion apparently offers nothing useful in return to the state: no charities, no strain relief, and no help in military recruitment. This is why the Watchtower was one of the religious organizations picked on by the FBI back in 1918. This is why the Scientologists barely escaped the clutches of the beast a few decades ago. With Islam in the last couple decades, too, it's the nature of the beast to overreact.
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    🌺🌺🌺Thanks for the info and appreciate your hard work on our behalf.
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    @BillyTheKid46, I thought you mostly just employed @Foreigner for vote spamming. I see you are doing some of the dirty work under your own name. And I also see you are nowhere near done yet, because you have added several more just since I copied the two images below. What's odd, however is that "both" of you have now voted down posts that contained nothing more than scriptures quoted from the NWT, and just above in this same topic, only 4 posts back, you (and Foreigner, of course) downvoted a post that does no more than introduce 3 Watchtower quotes about how long it took Adam to name the animals with surrounding context. Are you really that embarrassed by quotes from the Watchtower that you found it necessary to give two down votes to these Watchtower quotes????
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    I agree, and that is a problem many conveniently forget about. Just recently the Child Victims Act has extended the statute of limitations. And legislation is working on making priests mandated reporters in all the states of the US. These things should have been in operation for a long time already. So really, many of the problems of so called "cover ups" are a result of the inefficiencies and shortcomings of legislative bodies.
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    Reminds me a bit of when the Watch Tower publications declared Rutherford to be permeated with the real Biblical and prophetic spirit, while proposing that a British politician of the time was also like a prophet because he was declaring some of the same rhetoric that Rutherford was declaring. At the time, Rutherford was still trying to overcome the problem that 1914 had failed to be the fulfillment of that time of trouble, and he was pushing for the new idea that 1925 would resolve that problem by being a new time of trouble, and even the time for the physical resurrection of Old Testament faithful men of old to the Millennial age on earth. The Watchtower liked this "prophet" because he said that 1924 was to become even worse than 1914. By 1939 to 1944 it could be said that the true climax of these prophecies about 1924 had come true. Prophet Ramsay MacDonald and Prophet David Lloyd George hadn't predicted a resurrection, though.
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    Triste que todos tenemos que envejecer..... Como el tiempo pasa rapido. Siente como ayer cuando lo vi cantando en Siempre en Domingo (1991) 😂
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    Thank you may Jehovah keep on blessing you
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    The Roman Catholic Diocese of Rochester, facing potentially huge judgments for past sexual abuse by its priests and other ministers, filed for bankruptcy protection Thursday morning.
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    some quotes from article: At the same time, some critics say a bankruptcy proceeding may limit the release of damning information about abuse and cover-up, leaving some victims feeling the process did not provide the public acknowledgment of their torment that they had sought. "Settlements provided through bankruptcy court typically allow church officials to keep disclosures of abuse in house. Without having to report these allegations to the police or otherwise making them public, a full accounting of the number of abusers and who may have concealed or ignored those crimes can stay hidden," asserted a statement released by SNAP, a nationwide support group for victims of church sex abuse. Another plaintiff's lawyer, Jeff Anderson, whose firm has filed more CVA lawsuits than any other to date, denounced the diocese's move as "very disturbing and disappointing. "Bishop Salvatore Matano’s choice is simply a legal tactic to protect assets and prevent jury trials, and an attempt to prevent the truth from being revealed," Anderson said.
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    A letter from the Spain branch was sent to elders informing them about what to do if anyone is assaulted on the carts/trolleys during public witnessing. The letter is dated 10th July 2019 and includes a sheet with instructions that must be included with each cart. This means that we now have a legitimate document to be able to reason with active JWs. The document is entitled "What to do in the case of aggression during public witnessing activity?" First point it mentions is to call the police IMMEDIATELY, not the branch, hence highlighting that Watchtower value preaching carts more than the lives of abused children (where the Bethel branch must be called first). But the real point of this post is this: Look at point 3. "If you file a complaint at the police station, what should you say?" Amongst other things, it clearly states that "carts must be reported as the property of the brothers involved in this incident" and they've even underlined it. They stress that JWs "should not say that the carts are the property of the religious denomination or congregation." With me so far? Maybe you don't see anything wrong with this so let me refer you to the Elder's manual (Shepherd ver 2019, Chapter 23, point 9: Public Witnessing Equipment). There it clearly states that "The equipment will remain the property of the congregation." So why are Watchtower clearly asking their members to lie to the police in an official report? Go back to point 3 in the instructions to get the answer: "The police will probably ask who owns them in order to facilitate the option of asking for compensation." Ah good old money... at the root of most things that motivates Watchtower. So next time you see the JWs on the carts, ask them if their conscience permits them to lie to the police, not for "theocratic warfare" but for monetary compensation? What would Jesus think about that?
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    John Redwood's Quick and Fast Essay about 'The Montana Supreme Court - Child Sex Abuse - Jehovah's Witnesses Organization.' The Montana Supreme Court I would like to thank everyone with their patience in getting some information about what happened in Billings Montana today. The Supreme Court arguments only took two hours, but the rest of my day was spent with the attorneys and the plaintiffs. And I must say, when I have the opportunity to choose between spending time with these fine people and writing up a summary, I choose to be with these incredible people every single time. The summary, the analysis, the social media posts- all of that can come later. I know others have watched the proceedings online, and there has also been some media coverage of this event. But let me say this- it's is a very complex case, and it will not be decided for a minimum of 4-6 months- although resolution can come sooner or later. That being said I will offer a few observations. Today was a special day for the State of Montana. The Capitol of Montana is Helena, but for a number of important reasons, the Supreme Court for the State heard oral arguments today in a conference room at the Northern Hotel in Billings. Unlike the small courtroom in Thompson Falls Montana one year ago, today there were hundreds of attorneys present. Most were there to attend the Montana Trial Lawyers conference. The Nunez v Watchtower appeal was the focal point of the day. Professor Cynthia Ford opened up the appeal hearing by discussing the details of the case. She explained upfront that this is a very complicated case, but summarized the key components very well. Because of the complexity of this case I am only going to mention a few points, then discuss what happened in greater detail in the near future. This is not an open and shut case. It involves many issues, from things which happened before, during and after the trial which took place a year ago next week. Watchtower attorney Joel Taylor lied to the Montana Supreme Court. Taylor was asked whether the Watchtower or CCJW organization would penalize someone (an elder) who decided to follow his own conscience and report allegations of child sexual abuse to the authorities. Taylor said such persons would make their own "conscience-based decision on whether to report and that they would not be penalized. He said that would be a decision between them and God. [We all know how God treats elders who disobey] Not only was this an outright lie, but it contradicts testimony from the trial itself, where Watchtower representative Doug Chappel acknowledged that elders must comply with Watchtower policy- or they will not be elders. Aside from lying to the Montana Supreme court, Watchtower has made many other claims, including the claim that Watchtower and CCJW had no duty to protect Lexi Nunez, and that they did not even know of her "existence." They claim that Lexi is not even among the class of persons which the Montana reporting law was designed to protect. If anything infuriates Lexi, it's the fact that she was treated like a non-existent entity to Watchtower. An invisible peon deserving of no attention or protection from a multi-billion dollar religious corporation. Trust me, Watchtower knows who Lexi is now. And Holly. And Ivy. They picked the wrong women to ignore. Of course, the law was designed to do exactly that- to protect children from abuse when allegations become known. If Watchtower had permitted elders to do the right thing and phone the authorities regarding the abuse of Holly and Peter, it's clear we would not be sitting before the Supreme Court today, and the threat to Lexi would have been mitigated. One of Watchtower's loudest claims in this and all other abuse cases is that they have every right not to report child abuse (to keep it confidential) because it violates their "established church practice." This means that Watchtower wants to claim that all of their elders' meetings, discussions with other elders locally and at Watchtower in New York, and anyone else they designate are all covered by their religious confidentiality. Watchtower desires complete religious autonomy with no respect for the mandatory reporting laws which are in place for a reason. They place their perceived right to define confidentiality as a right greater than than the rights of the victims. The reality is that they wish to control the flow of information about child abuse and direct it to their lawyers and their service department, bypassing State authorities. They have expanded the definition to include anyone and everyone, including the child molester themselves. Another issue raised today was the constitutionality of the 10 million dollars Montana punitive damages cap. I won't spend a lot of time of this because it pales in comparison with the fact that a jury already decided that Watchtower was guilty of negligence and malice. So at the end of the day, whatever happens, Lexi won her case, and she has the support of Montana's citizens - the jurors who spent their week listening to testimony and who made the right decision to hold Watchtower accountable. Whether it ends up being 3 million or 35 million- either way, what people think about this religious corporation is priceless. We are hoping the Montana Supreme Court justices agree that the cap is unconstitutional, as it limits the ability of a plaintiff to send a powerful message to a multi-billion dollar corporation which controls the lives of millions. We want Watchtower to get that message. They have been settling lawsuits for decades now, a few million here, a few million there. They are not getting the message, which is why the cap needs to be removed. The jury felt this way, and so did Judge Manley from the original trial court. In a few months, we will find out. I'd like to comment more as so many things happened today. But as I said before, the best part was spending time with all of these people, whom I consider family. And they welcomed me into their circle, for which I am very grateful. I will do my best to answer any questions you might have, and if I don't have the answer immediately, I will get it. It's been a long day, and I will be driving a long way tomorrow, then catching two different flights to get home. It was all worth it. John Redwood
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    It if was just that easy. Experience by those who do so, will say that no one gets up and moves on without being shunned or disfellowshipped for doing so. So, although no one actually made an individual do anything, it is stipulated that any who are independent of GB direction, are "apostate"; especially if it is expressed verbally. But you know these things already.
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    I was able to change the title. So if people want to discuss this fake news phenomena, the item is still here. BTW, the linked site above gives many indications that they deal in Fake News (along with some real stuff too, to increase interest).
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    She probably has weights on her legs, under her dress, or has her feet hooked under some kind of support like an open cinder block or something. When I was a young man, I could hold my breath for 5 minutes and 23 seconds, but I bobbed around on the surface like a fishing line cork. She may also be in three feet deep water, with her knees bent, so she can rise for a breath of air on an instant's notice.
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    Why are women part of the 144,000?

    I am almost 67 years old....... but I still remember many of my reactions which could have been related to hormones - especially my quick emotional reactions. I think older men also remember many of their reactions and now look back at this time with more wisdom and maturity. Apart from judging humans by applying Jehovahs' righteous principles I do think that memories of our own imperfections and situations (for example: which situations were very difficult to show subjection to a husband ) help us even now (here on earth) to not judge others too harshly......
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    Costa Rica is not the place for bargain-basement living. It is the most expensive country in Central America. In many ways, it’s a victim of its own success, so to speak. It’s safe, stable, with a growing economy. But in Costa Rica, you will find a high standard of living that is still far below the cost of living in the U.S., Canada, or Europe. How much it will cost you, of course, depends on your lifestyle. But many expats report living comfortably on budgets of between $2,000 and $3,000 per month. Spend more, and you will have a lifestyle that would never be possible back in the United States. Rents range from $300 to $600 per month for a small home or condo to $1,200 to $2,000 per month for a large house with a large yard, depending on location. Rural areas are cheaper, and ocean and urban properties are more. You won’t need to give up anything if you retire to Costa Rica…except cold winters. Need modern appliances? A high-speed Internet connection? Cable and satellite TV? Costa Rica has all the services and infrastructure in place to meet all your needs. And because the cost of labor is low, you may be able to employ household help that will enable you to vastly improve your quality of life. It’s not surprising that expats, especially Americans and Canadians, are attracted to Costa Rica. With one of the highest standards of living in Latin America and a variety of different climates to suit all tastes, Costa Rica is the perfect retirement destination.
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    The word resolution is being used in a more general sense these days. We can always talk about our resolve to resolutely watch our conduct, ministry, etc. At the end of an assembly we can still "resolve" to send a certain amount of contributions to the overall www (word-wide work), or even resolve to use funds for another specified purpose. But the old use of "resolution" was highlighted because there was a time when Rutherford (especially) fought very hard to keep us from being a "religion." (Religion is a snare and a racket!) His terminology called the congregation a "company," and the ministers were "publishers" and Jesus Christ was even referred to as the Chief Executive Officer (really!!). This is why the old Kingdom Ministry/Kingdom Service was called Bulletin and Informant. When I was baptized we still spoke openly about placement quotas, and shortly before that it was about "selling" the publications, and "sales quotas." A pioneer, opened new "territory" just as door-to-salesmen were offered "territory" in "circuits" and "districts" and "zones" for things like encyclopedia sales, insurance sales, vitamins, Avon, Tupperware, Fuller Brushes, vacuum cleaners, and Carter's Little Liver Pills. Even the old term "colporteur" had no religious connotation, but was the term used by people who sold lots of different things. The book "Tupperware: The Promise of Plastic in 1950s America" by Alison J. Clarke says this: Fuller Brush salesmen were encouraged to view themselves as idealistic pioneers . . . The book SELL previously sold under the title Professional Selling: A Trust-Based Approach by Thomas N. Ingram and others, says this (p.27): They sometimes follow a pioneer salesperson and take over the account after the pioneer has made the initial sale. ... We use the case of the territory manager's position with GlaxoSmith Kline Consumer Healthcare We have Halls instead of Churches. We give door to door presentations, and practice them with demonstrations, and there are dozens of small examples that add up to show how we have historically tried to remove vocabulary that sounded too religious. But there are still examples documented in older WT publications that directly copy ideas about sales techniques and approaches that can be found in parallel literature about selling all types of products. I remember a Bible Study that said our Service Meeting reminded him exactly of Amway meetings with all the sample presentations, offer of the month, how to get the householders attention, when to be brief, when to answer questions, how to overcome objections, etc. So the point was that resolutions were always an imitation of secular conventions of corporations which asked convention "delegates" to "vote" on resolutions. Secular conventions always had those propositions built on a long list of legalistic "whereas" clauses. Our resolutions always did the same but were usually the envelope for a more religious statement or agreement to stay clear of religion, steer clear of false doctrines of the clergy, uphold Jehovah's standards, declare neutrality with respect to some political idea, declare a condemnation of some religious or political idea, etc.
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    Anyone remember a "Convention Resolution" years ago where we all had to tell out and promise we'd never go into internet chatrooms? Apparently NOT. I have been witnessing on Internet chat rooms, with knock-down, drag out theological discussions on IRC (Internet Relay Chat) since 1994 or so, BEFORE THERE WERE BROWSERS and before there was "Windows 95" Where did you get your "quote" from, Jack ? Tom Clancy?
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    Sad. Even in healthy individuals, a colonoscopy can be dangerous. In old age there is usually thinning of the colon which makes it more dangerous. I think the doctor was not thinking clearly when he took the biopsy. He was over eager to help and it was routine for him. The patient was to blame too by not stopping her blood thinners as instructed.
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    @James Thomas Rook Jr. I take it as ..."there is no such thing as bad publicity" 😉
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    Usually I set photos of beaches like these at my microsoft computer or samsung phone, for Mac I use an app named Wallpaper Wizard which has many options. I tend to get bored or tired easily so I have to change it every 2 weeks or month
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    EXTRACT] Review of Current Records: After discussing this letter as a body of elders, we would like the secretary along with the coordinator, or another assigned elder, to review what is currently in the congregation’s confidential file. They should examine the contents of all sealed envelopes in the file to confirm that they contain only the documents mentioned in the Shepherd book, chapter 22, paragraphs 22-23. The assigned elders should adhere to the direction in paragraph 26 when determining if the entire contents of the envelope should be destroyed. If the elders are not sure if a particular document needs to be retained, they should feel free to contact the Service Department for assistance. Please ensure that all records kept in the file are in harmony with what is outlined in the Shepherd book, chapter 22, and our comments above. Additionally, we ask that each elder check his personal computer, or hard copy files, and even his meeting bag, to ensure that no confidential correspondence is retained outside the congregation’s confidential file. We would like the secretary to confirm with each elder that this has been done.
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    @BillyTheKid46 quotes: "The Watchtower doesn’t directly claim clergy privilege, it’s automatically given by each State that has it in their legal binding. (I.e. laws)" "Then, perhaps the above will be clearer as to who is advocating the “clergy” identity. It’s not the Watchtower, but the legal system by definition." Indeed, the Watchtower has a “clergy”; albeit a counterfeit one, and they know it. “Representative”: Adjective: Typical; having the same properties or interest as a larger group. Representing, showing a likeness Noun: One who may speak for another in a particular capacity, especially in negotiation. “Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Why? Because, through his holy spirit, Jehovah has appointed the older men to their positions. In what way are elders appointed by holy spirit? 19 These older men meet the requirements that are set out in God’s Word, which is a product of God’s spirit. (1 Timothy 3:1-7; Titus 1:5-9) Hence, their appointment can be said to be by holy spirit. (Acts 20:28) W 02/8/1 p. 13,14 They flex this assumed role according to their advantage. If it means disfellowshipping individuals, (including members of the “royal priesthood”) judging them as unsuitable to remain in their idolatrous “Zion”, the elder body must be recognized for their falsely given “priestly” authority. After all, it can be said they were appointed by Holy Spirit, they say. In the court system, they will either defend their clergy-penitent privilege to their advantage; or deny it exists, because they have created their loophole, being “representatives” of the authentic priestly “clergy”. In all cases, it is total hypocrisy. 2 Chron 13:9 - “You forced out the Lord’s priests who were Aaron’s descendants, and you forced out the Levites so that you could appoint your own priests, as the people in foreign countries do. Anyone who has a young bull and seven rams can be ordained as a priest of nonexistent gods. W 02/8/1 p. 13,14 “Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust.” “They (Korah and his men) came together to confront Moses and Aaron and said to them, “You’ve gone far enough! Everyone in the whole community is holy, and the Lord is among them. Why do you set yourselves above the Lord’s assembly?” Moses also said to Korah, “Listen, you Levites! 9 Isn’t it enough for you that the God of Israel has separated you from the rest of the community of Israel? The Lord has brought you near himself to do the work for his tent and stand in front of the community to serve them. 10 He has brought you and all the other Levites near himself, but now you demand to be priests. 11 So you and all your followers have joined forces against the Lord! Who is Aaron that you should complain about him?” Numbers, chapter 16 “Don’t let anyone deceive you about this in any way. That day cannot come unless a revolt takes place first, and the man of sin, the man of destruction, is revealed. He opposes every so-called god or anything that is worshiped and places himself above them, sitting in God’s temple (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Rev 11:1-3) and claiming to be God.” 2 Thess 2:3,4 “Disgusting Thing Standing in the Holy Place” 4womaninthewilderness, Pearl Doxsey
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    Ohh, do not worry, this is just for public fun and entertainment. :)))
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    GOURMET MONKEY Native hunters in Africa have found a clever way to trap monkeys. They cut a coconut in half, dig it and, in one half of the shell, dig a hole big enough for the monkey's hand to pass through. They place an orange in the hollowed coconut. They tie the coconut to a tree with a rope, retreat into the jungle and wait. Soon, an unsuspecting monkey passes by, smells of delicious orange and discovers it inside the coconut. The monkey slides his hand into the small hole, grabs the orange and tries to pull it out through the hole. Of course, the orange will not come out; it's too big for the hole. The persistent monkey continues to shoot and shoot, never realizing the danger it is in. While the monkey wrestles with the orange, the hunters are content to enter and capture the monkey by throwing a net over him. As long as the monkey keeps his fist around the orange, the monkey is trapped. The monkey could save his life if he only dropped the orange. However, it is rare for a monkey to realize that he can not have both orange and his freedom. This seductive orange becomes a death trap. Greed is one of Satan's favorite traps. Are we smarter than monkeys?
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    For the majority of survivors of abuse, the new law is a welcome legal tool, but only for citizens of New York State. However, for Jehovah’s Witness victims, the legislation is far more significant. The Witness organization is headquartered in New York, which means that any and all cases from all 50 States are eligible where the Watchtower Organization is a defendant. The key to filing such cases revolves around Watchtower’s decades-old policy in which allegations of sexual abuse are handled internally as matters of “sin”- but are rarely if ever reported to law enforcement. --------------- As stated by New York’s Government Web Site, this new law: Provides that the statute of limitations for criminal prosecution of a sexual offense committed against a child shall not begin to run until the child turns 23 years of age. Provides that a civil action for conduct constituting a sexual offense against a child shall be brought before the child turns 55 years of age. Revives previously barred actions related to sexual abuse of children. Grants civil trial preference to such actions. Eliminates the notice of claim requirements for such actions when the action is brought against a municipality, the state or a school district. Requires judicial training relating to child abuse and the establishment of rules relating to civil actions brought for sexual offenses committed against children. These stipulations represent landmark changes to New York laws protecting minors, which previously placed unrealistic limits on the time given for victims to come forward and report abuse, or file a civil lawsuit seeking justice. Experts in the field now recognize that it may take 25, 30, 35 years or even longer before a victim of childhood abuse is able to disclose the crimes committed against them.
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    It is heartbreaking to hear the woman who expects her family to reject her for speaking out. She is very brave. One thing, the video mentions a bill in the US Senate that would require clergy of all faiths to report child abuse. It appears that that bill is on hold due to lack of support. I am very disappointed that our country is choosing to protect institutions and abusers over children.
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    Indeed, and how I wish all JWs could see its message. 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, ‘Hear the word of the Lord!’ ” Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Because you have spoken nonsense and envisioned lies, therefore I am indeed against you,” says the Lord God.” “Because with lies you have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and you have strengthened the hands of the wicked, so that he does not turn from his wicked way to save his life. 23 Therefore you shall no longer envision futility nor practice divination; for I will deliver My people out of your hand, and you shall know that I am the Lord.” ’ ” Ezek 13:4,8,22,23 Rev 18:4-8
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    THE HURRICANE A hurricane is coming. The sky has not turned dark yet, but the weather service announces it is imminent. It is going to be a big one. When you take a look at your neighborhood, some of your neighbors are working hard securing their property, installing storm shutters, putting away junk that may turn into projectiles, and so on. Other neighbors, though, are having the ultimate outdoors BBQ experience, partying with family and friends in spite of the storm warning. When you look at their homes, there is no indication they are preparing for the storm. Who would you say believe the storm is coming? Your neighbors didn’t need to say a word, but you can tell by their actions. The urgency shown by those who took action preparing for the hurricane attests it is real to them. But the inaction of those partying indicates they are not sure about the warning or perhaps don’t believe it at all. Likewise, we don't need to say a word for others to know the quality of our faith. Our actions and the way we conduct ourselves in the congregation will show it.
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    Looks to me like JW's have anti -holidays, so it's just as bad. I've known JW's that will not eat a roast dinner on 25th December because they are frightened it will look like a Christmas dinner. As for pushing for a special effort on a stupid day, well it seems like a way of actually celebrating that day to me. It's like saying they know that day is special to people. And the Christmas day door to door witnessing is not a good thing. It's intrusive and rude. It's not wanted by people outside the JW org. I did it once just to prove that i wasn't scared to do it, but it does not show love to people, it's just being 'pushy' to the extreme.
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    A "woman" (not a teenager) who repeatedly was abused by someone outside the congregation? Sounds fishy - don't you think? Any case - we will see more and more of these type of cases as the post modern philosophy (which erodes all sense of morality) becomes the world doctrine. All barriers to immorality will be removed and the law will be used as a weapon. Mischief by law.... I hope she enjoys her krone.... and the blow she gave the JWs. In the end she will answer to the highest authority in the universe. If she was humble she would have come back the way all other truly repentant) people come back...... The manipulation must have been really severe for her to succumb to the abuse more than once and then she became a "victim" again when her victimhood was not accepted . I wonder at what stage of the abuse this secret was revealed and by whom? The victimhood of the post modern philosophy is really as excuse for anyone to do as they please.
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    Well, regarding the "hen" expression, be sure, it's not spanish. And I have no idea about the use billythekid is trying
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    LOL. I saw that coming as soon as I asked the question: In what sense do you believe that there are two periods of 1,260 that make up the 2,520? Nearly the same thing happened when I asked Allen that question. You haven't shown where. A proposition given without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I know you made that claim. But without evidence. The problem with your theory is that when Russell and Barbour continued the Herald, it was still very much an Adventist publication. That didn't change. The book "Three Worlds" that they published in 1877 was steeped in Millerite Adventism, so much so that you see the way they concluded it with a defense of Miller in the section on "William Miller's Dream" above. It even copied the "seventh month" movement. But it was a date-adjusted Adventism with very similar interpretations of the same time periods. With Barbour's MINOR adjustments to make Miller's end dates move 30 to 45 years further into the future, Russell kept these very similar time period interpretations throughout the entire series of Studies in the Scriptures, and these doctrines were generally kept until 1927, with a few of them remaining until 1943. Even before Russell influenced him, Barbour, still a full-fledged Second Adventist, had already moved Miller's start date for the 2,520 years from 677 BC to 606 BC (based on Bowen/Elliott/etc). This made the period nearly the same as John Aquila Brown's use of the 2,520 years. Your theory that Barbour was done with Second Adventism apparently has no evidence, unless you know of some that you are not sharing. But there is plenty of evidence that indicates your theory is not true. I actually agree with you that Russell's ongoing work in the Watch Tower was based on "new light" that progressed further and further toward clearer truth, and further away from Barbour's influence and the influence that other Second Adventists had on Russell. But this couldn't happen completely until 1927 (to about 1933) when the WTS was finally finished selling off the remaining stocks of Studies in the Scriptures. It seems likely that you are able to keep your claim alive only by changing the definition of Adventism to a special definition that works for you. If this is the case, then you are only arguing semantics. It's probably another one of those cases where anyone else is a liar "with Satan in their head" if they use a word the way a dictionary or Encyclopedia Britannica, for example, uses it, instead of a way that you need them to use it to fit your own ideology.
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    I don't point to that article to say they are right about "Jehovah's Witnesses" but to give you an idea of the "definition" of "Adventism" and "Second Adventism."

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