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  1. Adam was hanging around the Garden of Eden feeling very lonely. So, God asked him, "What's wrong with you?" Adam said he didn't have anyone to talk to. God said that He was going to make Adam a companion and that it would be a woman. He said, "This pretty lady will gather food for you, she will cook for you, and when you discover clothing, she will wash it for you. She will always agree with every decision you make and she will not nag you. And will always be the first to admit she was wrong when you've had a disagre
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  2. Here is the Material for weeks of September 28, 2020–October 4, October 5-11, 2020. TB MEETING WORKBOOK week of September 28–October 4, 2020.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of September 28–October 4, 2020.pdf Watchtower September 28, 2020–October 4, 2020.doc Watchtower September 28, 2020–October 4, 2020.pdf Additional Highlights -September 28–October 4, 2020.doc Additional Highlights -September 28–October 4, 2020.pdf CBS September 28–October 4, 2020.doc CBS September 28–October 4, 2020.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of October 5-11, 2020.doc CBS October 5-11, 2020.pdf CBS October 5-11, 202
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  3. Maybe, but even if Christ was enthroned in 1914, what was the indication that their lease ran out then, and not 1,260 years earlier, or 100 years after? What indicated that their time was now being borrowed? How is that any different from the borrowed time they were on in 1910, or 2010? Wouldn't they have been on "borrowed time" from at least the time when Daniel 2 & 4 said that Jehovah was about to set up a government that would crush these kingdoms, and even the most powerful and haughty of rulers had to acknowledge that Jehovah is still in full control of whether they were given a "leas
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  4. What reason would he have to sow doubt? What personal benefit would he derive from it? It is obvious that he is just trying to find the truth. I think it would be better to try to challenge his arguments rather than ascribe bad motives.
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  5. Bible readers have seen three Babylonian deportations for literally THOUSANDS of years now. Can you find even one theologian who says there were only one or two? Even those who think there might have been a fourth, identify the primary three in same way that others do. They are not beginning to see something new in their Bible studies. Even the KJV, in 1611 had it right, in Jeremiah 52:28-30: 28This is the people whom Nebuchadrezzar carried away captive: in the seventh year three thousand Jews and three and twenty: 29 In the eighteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar he carried away captive
    4 points
  6. Here is the weekly Meeting material for September 14-20 and September 21-27, 2020. TB CBS September 14-20, 2020.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of September 14-20, 2020.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of September 14-20, 2020.pdf Watchtower September 14-20, 2020.doc Watchtower September 14-20, 2020.pdf Additional Highlights -September 14-20, 2020.doc Additional Highlights -September 14-20, 2020.pdf CBS September 14-20, 2020.doc CBS September 21-27, 2020.doc Additional Highlights -September 21-27, 2020.pdf Additional Highlights -September 21-27, 2020.doc Watchtower September 21-27, 2020.pd
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  7. I'm afraid you are misunderstanding completely. @Outta Here said: I'm merely showing you how what he is saying is correct. So what you are quoting is a very true statement. I'm not saying I believe the last days started on October 4, 1914, I just picked that date because that's pretty close to the day that the Watchtower claims the last days must have started. If they did start then, you could say that everyone since that date has been living in the last part of the last days. *** w14 7/15 p. 30 par. 9 “You Will Be Witnesses of Me” *** That happened in October 1914, markin
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  8. I have learned to live with it, and perhaps even acquiesce that it must be that way. Of course, I don’t know what examples you may have in mind, but... Do you think I can persuade anybody that the (largely) atheist anti-cult movement is behind our woes in Russia? No. It is all the machinations of Babylon the Great is all anyone wants to hear. We are so hung up on Babylon the Great that we do not recognize that she is mostly licking her wounds these days, and a powerful atheist faction has arisen that would eradicate everyone clinging to worship of God—us no less than they. Yet we still, i
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  9. Here is the study material for weeks of August 31–September 6 and September 7-13, 2020. TB CBS August 31–September 6, 2020.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 31–September 6, 2020 .doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 31–September 6, 2020 .pdf Watchtower August 31, 2020–September 6, 2020.doc Watchtower August 31, 2020–September 6, 2020.pdf Additional Highlights - August 31–September 6, 2020.doc Additional Highlights - August 31–September 6, 2020.pdf CBS August 31–September 6, 2020.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of September 7-13, 2020.doc CBS September 7-13, 2020.pdf CBS September 7-13,
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  10. No. That's just a part of it. 1914 was initially based on parallel dispensations that went back to the beginning of Israel in the days of "Jacob" (aka, Israel) and the length of time from the birth of Jacob to the end of the Jewish/Israelite dispensation. That length of time was supposed to be exactly equal to the length of time from the birth of Jesus to the end of Christian dispensation on earth. There was another idea that the date 1914 would also be the end of the Gentile Times, the farthest limit of any gentile rulership, so that the ancient worthies would be resurrected and begin a
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  11. Although, naturally I am seeking the truth, and I can see no personal benefit from expressing my opinions about this, I do have to agree that it sows doubt. My grandmother used to tell me "if 1914 is wrong, then we're in the wrong religion." She was born in 1914, and I was born in 1957. Back in 1980, I told her that the brother I was doing research for at Bethel wanted the beginning of the generation changed from 1914 to 1957 (and already had some other members of the Governing Body agreeing with him). That's one of the times she repeated the above statement. I asked her, if they ch
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  12. Russell never acknowledged anything from John Aquila Brown, and initially (back in 1876 when contributing an article to George Storrs' magazine) he acknowledged no one else but the idea that it must now be God's proper time to reveal meat in due season through "his servants, the prophets." In fact, many Adventist-style religious commentators of the time acted like they personally were the source of information, while also dropping strong hints that they might personally be the "faithful and wise slave" through whom God was now working and giving food at the "proper time." Barbour gave hints of
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    The branch loads usb sticks with videos and content and sends it to the congregation, who then load it to the jw box, which the publishers connect and download into their devices. It works as a normal device and can be charged through usb, adapter or power bank. The best part, they want don
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  13. Wouldn't it be interesting to see how true Christians might end up distinguishing themselves by the extent to which we give actual food even to our enemies, motivated by our love for Jehovah and Jesus Christ, and our true admiration of a kingdom based on Biblical principles: (Matthew 14:14-16) . . .When he came ashore, he saw a large crowd, and he felt pity for them, and he cured their sick ones. 15 But when evening fell, his disciples came to him and said: “The place is isolated and the hour is already late; send the crowds away, so that they may go into the villages and buy themselves f
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  14. Transcript - 2020 “Always Rejoice”! Conv Fri AM—Part 1 - v1.doc 84.0 KB Transcript - 2020 “Always Rejoice”! Conv Fri AM—Part 1 - v2.doc 84.5 KB Transcript - 2020 “Always Rejoice”! Conv Fri AM—Part 2- v2.doc 80.0 KB Transcript - 2020 “Always Rejoice”! Conv Fri PM—Part 1 (WAD) - v1.doc 69.5 KB Transcript - 2020 “Always Rejoice”! Conv Fri PM—Part 1 (WAD) - v2.doc 69.5 KB
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  15. *** Watchtower, October 1, 1930, p.291 *** Understanding that the ''day of Christ'' began when Jesus came to the temple of God, in 1918, it appears that the rebellion must precede that day. The beginning of the falling away or rebellion against God's organization would also mark the beginning of the disclosure of the ''man of sin'', even though none of God's children then on earth understood the matter. The Revelation which God gave to Jesus Christ to show to his "servant" began to be disclosed particularly from 1914 forward, but none of God's children on earth had an understanding thereo
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  16. I suppose the word "misleading" is what I balk at. Miriam Webster defines this as: "to lead in a wrong direction or into a mistaken action or belief often by deliberate deceit" I do not think this is the case in respect of the last days or any portion thereof. I think there have been and are speculative expectations regarding the proximity of Jehovah's intervention and that some get carried along with them, embroidering them even. But not all have, or are, even now. An "are we there yet?" mindset is not that peculiar among humans who are expecting good things to happen. It is just a
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  17. Know what you mean, but there is a problem with the analogy. Your illustration has $100.00 as the main objective. So you gain nothing until the delivery of that prize. So the seeming delay in receiving this becomes a problem as you actually have nothing until that sum is repaid, in fact you are out of pocket, in a negative position. That is not the case with true Christians. Once their relationship with Jehovah has been restored through Christ, they have something of infinite, immediate value. They are not out of pocket while they await payment of a debt. So as the psalmist said at Ps.1
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  18. I planned to just let this sit because it reminded me of typical trolling behavior, and I've said all I want to say about 1914 for a while. But I have to agree with this part of what @Arauna said about you: You already know that you will disagree with anything I say in support of the current teachings of the GB, and when I present the opinion that the GB are wrong about something, all of a sudden you treat me like I'm some important teacher of truth. We all have opinions, and when it comes to interpretation, it doesn't matter how strongly we believe them or present them: they're s
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  20. The reason that people organize is so they can get more things done, and get them done effectively—an obvious plus when it comes to gathering, teaching, and shepherding a worldwide congregation. The reason that people oppose such organization is that they do not want such things done. It is no more complicated than that. And the reason the Christian organization applies for money that is legally owed it is....do I really have to explain this? No, you don’t have to explain anything; although you’ve just cemented the fact that no Holy Spirit is needed to run the W
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  21. What I remember is Ronald J Sider’s book ‘The Scandal of the Evangelical Conscience—Why are Christians Living Just Like the Rest of the World.’ After reviewing dozens of verses on conduct, he says “if Paul is even close to being right on what it means to be a Christian, these verses ought to drive us to our knees in repentance, and then determination to reform. He is an evangelical leader with suggestions for reform. Of course, they are of an organizational nature. And, of course, JWs are already doing them, and yes, they do resolve the problems he details. I wrote several posts
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  22. I always strive set the fine example in this regard, as anyone except for a few fatheads will readily testify. You would have no powers at all were they not granted you by someone higher, and that is why the buck does not entirely stop with you. With the return on the Insultinator I have counted 23 already.
    2 points
  23. Ruh-roh! I came back to see AlanF in the fray. I expected to have to wade through pages and pages of insults flying in all directions. Oh, well. Everyone is welcome. But please, let's keep this to a discussion of the chronology of the Neo-Babylonian period, and that can include the 70 years, and even the 490 years. Let's not deal with Watchtower related issues about 1914, except for those that came through the 606/536/607/539/537 ideas. And let's please leave Darwin out of it, unless you want to start a new topic. Would be nice to see a lot less insults hurled around, even though a few wi
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  24. I added the emphasis to the quote above. I know exactly what you are saying, and it's exactly the same thing that Allen Smith started to say in 2016 and said a little more clearly in 2018. Let me try to put it in different words, because I still don't believe it's clear enough. If I get part of it wrong please tell me. Allen Smith took a stance that was a bit different from Furuli (and also from scholarW on this forum). I think it was out of respect for the explanations in the Watchtower, that Allen and Cesar are not saying it as clearly as it could be stated, because it is also different
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  25. Right. But as you know, they didn't think the last days had started then. The last days were still starting from 1799, with evidences from famous meteor showers (stars falling) and an unexplained "dark day" (sun not giving its light). The millennium was already associated with Jesus rule from 1874 with a special enthronement in 1878 to match the parallel dispensation of 33CE. Also, there was no specific use of earthquakes, famines, pestilences, and worldwide wars as indications of a special time within these last days. Russell claimed that Jesus meant such things would be going on since t
    2 points
  26. Wow! I am glad you responded. In spite of my strong reservations about our reasons for choosing 1914 as some Bible-derived date, I'm still looking for some reason to hang on to a piece of this. You are one of the few people here who will actually give a bone for this old dog to chew on. My opinions about the Bible-derivation have become stronger in the last couple years, and that's mostly over the doubling down on the recent generation changes, and some curious discoveries about how Furuli's research ended up being promoted in the Watchtower, and a couple of NWT translation issues. B
    2 points
  27. This reminded me on tropical disaster in Philippine in 2014. i think. And JWorg video showed one JW family who, instead of food, were put WT publications in it.
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  28. In Kenya, $100 of US money will buy two 90kg each, of maize and beans. Plenty, for a family for a month, although it is a restricted diet, supported with greens that they may grow. That is, if they have the land to do so. This box, costing $75.00 requires a contribution from each member in a congregation to purchase it. Also, there is a fee to update it regularly. How long will the spiritual food last, provided from that box? A month? Maybe a year? (John 15:16) Are these people spiritually nourished in the long run, by what it offers? The “generation of 1914” who were not to
    2 points
  29. The suit says the ex-employees hold a "religious belief that homosexuality is a sin" and accuses the supermarket chain of religious discrimination.
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    No one should be forced to wear emblems advocating causes they object to, whether it be LGBTQ or BLM or Democrat or Republican issues. I think work u
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  30. As skeptical as I am about a lot of things, I cannot agree with you there. There are a lot of things going wrong that I have not seen before. For example just when I go shopping. I want to make bread....I can't get the flour, and haven't been able to for months. This is only one thing. There are many others I won't get into, but once the supply chain is broken somewhere, it's like a domino effect, it affects a lot of other things. In the long run it affects people's livelihoods, and when people don't have money, they get up to all kinds of weird and dangerous things to get it. In my opinion, w
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  31. I can't speak for others, but I am in it for the long haul, and if it comes sooner, then that's a bonus!
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  32. That's pretty simple to answer, thanks for asking. Let's say I owed you $100.00, which you only would loan me because I promised to pay you back "within days." I told you that I would pay you back within days saying, "... because these are now the last days before I finally will get my paycheck." But then, let's say, it went on for a few more weeks and then a whole month. You'd probably remind me about that time when I said we were already in the last days before I would get my paycheck. But my response to you is, "Don't worry! We are now in the final part, the last days of those last da
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  33. I’m not doing nothing until we reach the last of the last of the last days. Why inconvenience myself unnecessarily? It’s the same as when over the years the pioneer hour requirement is progressively lowered, then such a thing as ‘auxiliary pioneering’ is concocted, then the hour requirement for them is over time lowered, then it is even devised how to lower it still more during months of special activity. “I’m holding out for 15,” I tell people when I’m feeling punchy. I forgive it all. It may sound a little clunky, but I forgive it. I even recommend it—or at least acquiesce to it. “
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  34. What is this idiocy? It is the most childish view that these louts have—as though anything spiritual should have been known from the getgo. When Columbus sailed the oceans blue and discovered America, Queen Isabella said: “And it only took you 1492 years to find it...sheesh” When Einstein revealed that E=mc2, the science community said: “And it only took you 6000 years to find it....sheesh.” Ludicrous examples. But these immature “Christians” expect it to be just that way with respect to spiritual things—that Santa should deliver all the presents under the tree on Christmas Eve,
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  35. This is more and more true as the world gets more divided, more partisan, and more nationalistic. Pride in one's own cause, nation, religion or ideology causes one to be more apt to defend one's POV with bias, and condemn, with bias, those of an "opposite" POV . It happens to the best of us, and by that I mean that there have been several documented examples even within and among our own religion. Even sites that rarely say anything good about JWs have acknowledged this. It's not unrelated to the topic, so I'll include one article here: Here
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  36. No doubt in Jesus’ day, the nations far and wide committed heinous atrocities. But Jesus appeared to his people under covenant with God. He didn’t concern himself with people of the nations, since God judges each person in righteousness, according to the circumstances they live in; according to their heart. God’s focus has always been with His people, Israel, and those in direct contact with them who may have joined them, or whom Israel was influenced by. So, Jesus’ reason for appearing, was as a “messenger”/”prophet”/Son of God/fulfilled promise of the firstborn of Abraham’s seed – S
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  37. He certainly did, by forming His organization of the new creation, on His chief cornerstone, Jesus Christ. (2 Cor 5:17) For in Scripture it says: ‘See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.’ “As you come to him, the living Stone – rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him – 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” 1 Pet 2:6,4,5 This describes
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  38. Not quite having the resources just yet to plow through all of the above, just skimming it quickly instead, understand that what I say are but preliminary impressions. I know next to nothing about FG. Are they secretive? Are they uncomfortably effective in spreading their message? Do they withdraw from “normal” society? Do they learn to lead “double-lives?” Do they mislead the regular people as to their true mission? Do they have some offbeat (and therefore ‘dark’) beliefs about what the future holds? Do they have members who die because of not embracing all that modern medicine has to of
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  39. I hope they punish elders as well for threatening the victims with disfellowshipping or disassociation for going to the authorities.
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  40. Hmm! I'm surprised, no one with Bible Student knowledge here has "corrected" you on this "incorrect" assertion you make. Beth Sarim was built for Bro Rutherford because he developed health issues after being unjustly imprisoned because the Catholic Church had the Governments ear. Bro Russell had nothing to do with it. That House was built by private money, the Watchtower had nothing to do with it. Did Bro Rutherford desire to see the old prophets on earth spiritually, YES! And if they came in human form just like angles in the past did, they would be WELCOMED. Who wouldn't in modern times
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  41. It sounds like a religious internet competition, and WT is winning. Religious organization vs. religious organization via the internet; however, both the LDS and 7DA have individually, over twice as many congregants than the WT. So…even though the organization may “outpace” both those religions on the internet, where has it gotten them in numbers of believers? My point earlier was that there is presently, no more door-to-door preaching work for individual JWs. If they want to “preach”, the internet is available for them to do so, as it has been for anyone to do so, for quite a long while.
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  42. If 'spiritual food' is falling from heaven it is no where near the CCJW or Watchtower orgs that's for sure. And the GB admit to not being inspired so the spiritual food is no where near them either. As regards money, i used to find it funny when the meetings were all about 'simplify your life', 'work less hours', 'no need for a decent education', do a part time manual labouring job, BUT the Org still wanted donations every week and people still needed cars to get to meetings and were expected to drive around picking up other people that didn't have transport. And as more Kingdom Halls
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  43. In a "real word" people should be careful and have critical thinking about "food" placed/offered by their leaders. Leaders in WTJWorg are not completely honest in their intentions and plans. Their theological doctrines and other maneuvers in the “real world,” past and present, are proof that they cannot be trusted.
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  44. We are still living in the real world you know. We use money like everyone else for our needs. Manna not yet falling from heaven again - only spiritual food. And one needs a computer and a roof over your head for that too!
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  45. Why is all of this okay with JWs? 7 For we have brought nothing into the world, so that neither can we bring anything out. 8 But if we have food and clothing, with these things we will be content. 9 But those who want to be rich fall into temptation and a trap and many foolish and harmful desires, which plunge those people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all evil, by which some, because they desire it, have gone astray from the faith and have pierced themselves with many pains. But you, O man of God, flee from these things, and pursue righteousness,
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  46. Wow! A news report of the Watchtower branch office applying for grants that weren’t available in the past because the Church of Sweden was collecting most of the church taxes and the rest were going to Catholic, and Protestant churches. It’s also amazing how the word “demand” is used when the organization is “applying” for grants.
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  47. Does God, who supposedly guides this organization need any monetary rectification or equality with other religions? Or, is it men who demand rectification and equality? When did Christ’s kingdom become part of the world? “My kingdom doesn’t belong to this world. If my kingdom belonged to this world, my followers would fight to keep me from being handed over to the Jews. My kingdom doesn’t have its origin on earth.” John 18:36 The “followers” of the organization which has its origin on earth, fight for the organization - on all levels. They are not fighting for Christ,
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