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    Here is the material for the next two weeks--October 21-27 and October 21-27, 2019. TB Watchtower October 14-20, 2019.pdf Watchtower October 14-20, 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of October 14-20 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of October 14-20 , 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of October 14-20 , 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of October 14-20 , 2019 text only.pdf CBS October 14-20, 2019.doc CBS October 14-20, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -October 14-20, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -October 14-20, 2019.pdf Watchtower October 21-27, 2019.doc Watchtower October 21-27, 2019.pdf Watchtower par. 4 October 21-27, 2019.doc Watchtower par. 4 October 21-27, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of October 21-27, 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of October 21-27, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of October 21-27, 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of October 21-27, 2019 text only.pdf CBS October 21-27, 2019.doc CBS October 21-27, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -October 21-27, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -October 21-27, 2019.pdf
  2. 2 points
    JW Insider

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    For the record I have never heard you say anything here that did not sound sincere. I have never heard a word from you that I would have thought was borne out of hate or even OCD. However, there is a such thing as a "zeal for God, but not according to accurate knowledge." Of course, I'm sure your knowledge of scripture is at least as good as Pearl's, but as I've said before, the interpretation appears to unnecessarily "pick on" the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses. Earlier you quoted from Matthew 7: 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. I realize that this is not about identifying an organization, but is more about how Christ Jesus along with Jehovah's spirit produces a good tree producing truth, comfort, healing, and good qualities among those who follow. The problem with your own view, in my opinion, is that you already claim that it's the association of Jehovah's Witnesses through which the faithful anointed are coming through, and for this reason such an association fulfills Bible prophecy. But these faithful anointed are therefore being produced through the association of Jehovah's Witnesses -- and no bad true tree can produce good fruit. Also, anointed aside, I think all of us who are associated with Jehovah's Witnesses see GOOD FRUIT being produced among us. All of also see many of the wrongs, and most of us are not willing to discuss the wrongs, or admittedly, even "process" such things. Sometimes that's because some of us are obviously thinking that the organization has some kind of direct authority over us. This is no doubt a common view of immature Witnesses. But the Bible makes us realize that such an organization can be used as a tool for Christ's Kingdom interests, but that Christ's authority transcends organization. The organization is an expected result of trying to efficiently and lovingly get the word out to as many people as possible in as many lands (and languages) as possible. Human nature leads some in the organization to assume that they need to have (or see) some kind of temporal, worldly-styled authority over other persons, but many of us realize that we are not actually under the authority of men. Yet, we appreciate the leadership and example of men in the organization. Unrelated to that issue of authority, most of can easily see how the effect of a world-wide association of Witnesses is both an opportunity for each of us to show the fruits of God's spirit, and it becomes an example, even a "Witness," to the good effects of God's holy spirit. I'll grant that there is much to improve, but even if it produces SOME good fruit, then it is coming from a "good" tree. We don't have to chop down the tree, because it's not a bad tree. My own interpretation is that the "organization" is not the tree of Matt 7:17,18 anyway, it's just that the good influence of Jehovah's holy spirit helps such a "tool" to reflect usefulness as an "instrument" or "vessel" because it is made up of well meaning sincere and loving people who want to do what is right. Organization or "orderliness" is just another potential result of wanting to do what is right in the best ways possible.
  3. 2 points
    James Thomas Rook Jr.

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Every time I hear any counsel against "running ahead", I think ... running ahead of what ... or who? It's important that we differentiate from "running ahead" of the words of the Bible, which results in "old light", touted as "new light" ... until "newer light" comes out, of which many of us old-timers have seen so much of that it seems like a disco lounge strobe light. I think running ahead of the pontifical pronouncements of the WTB&TS management is quite a different issue than running ahead of Jehovah God, or completely unambiguous scripture. But ... it seems to me, as individuals, that if you are in the race for life, which should be secondary to serving Jehovah God just because he is worthy of service, and obedience, and honor .... that it's better to be ahead of the race, instead of behind the race. Why not as an organization? Because If we as individuals are wrong, only we "pay the price" of being wrong, and have to bear the consequences.\ If we as an organization are wrong, we as individuals STILL have to pay the full price for being wrong .... times 8 million people ... and the perpetrators pay NO PRICE WHATSOEVER. Everybody knows that in a horse race ... ONE of the horses is going to win. Which one, makes all the difference in the world. A three legged horse with motivation, spunk, desire and the best behaved horse in the whole pack of runners may be all of that and more ... but for sane people, that is not the way to bet. There is also the issue of intellectual integrity ... but that is another topic. In over a hundred and five years of recorded experience of watching "OUR" horse run ... what track record do we have to use as a basis for credibility? For core truths discerned ... arguably about 95%. For mountains of drivel, false prophesies, bogus types and anti-types, and silliness and pronouncements that defy all common sense, perhaps somewhere around 85%, with 15% having real value, or at a minimum, even making some form of common sense. And of course, being obviously flat WRONG, when simple human common sense could have avoided that. SO ... basically the WTB&TS position is that THEY can run ahead all they want, and if we do not believe what they come up with, we can be disfellowshipped and have our and our family's lives ruined ...... but if WE run ahead we can ALSO be disfellowshipped and have our and our family's lives ruined. .... and no matter what they do ... no matter how egregious ... the money keeps rolling in, and they NEVER apologize for anything.
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    TrueTomHarley

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Of course. I said that you “could easily be accused of running ahead.” I didn’t say that I would do it. I would not. Everyone here “runs ahead” to one degree or another. Moreover, the censure of anyone here doesn’t matter. It is understood that the site has nothing to do with the congregation and does not attract any Witness that is typical. Yes. It was my answer that I never got around to making when CMP—or was it JWI?—presented his wish list of what the annual meeting might present. He wished for less emphasis on the nearness of the end, and even suggested that the last days should be understood to have commenced in Jesus’ time. “Angels are desiring to peer into these things” I almost said. “Are you going to tell them to straighten up and get back to work?” It makes the Bible come alive when we do this. One really can’t go wrong with this attitude. I do this myself—and all the more so since I am clearly “out there” for a brother. Whole lotta bending going on here, that’s for sure.
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    Arauna

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    I am fully aware of my inadequacies and the futility of wasting my time here..... also another kind of OCD ? Lol
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    Arauna

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I agree with you. ...... Unfortunately, to want control other humans is morally wrong. Most apostates here do not like any form of control over them - even when it comes from God...... who actually is the only one who has the right to prescribe one set of principles for all. We are all meant to be equal under God. If every person sets their own rules there will never be peace and unity. When a human wants to control anything about another human - he is showing satanic qualities. We never should try to control anything which belongs to, or is part of another human. Total freedom and equality under God - this is the goal. This is respect for another human's free will to choose what they want. Unfortunately, some Witnesses are imperfect in their love and still tend to like to control others without respect for their free will. Jehovah even allows those who oppose him to express their free will. In future in paradise, all people will willingly subject themselves to Jehovah and his standards in free will. They will never try to tell another person what to do because all will be totally free and equal under God. Society will then function perfectly because the law of love will prevail. No laws are necessary if one truly loves others. One will not covet anything which is another's or take anything from them or dominate them in an way by being egotistical, selfish or greedy. Jehovah will step into mankind"s affairs when humans have reached a point of totalitarian domination - soon they will use our modern technology (our arrogant achievements) to dominate mankind in a most unjust way....... history of mankind (estranged from god) repeating itself. By the way, I watch China and Russia (allies) as fulfillment of the prophecies in Daniel 11 :40 onward. Soon we will see the worst domination on earth mankind has ever experienced...... if jehovah does not step in ...no flesh will be saved. We have reached the apex of our tech achievements and like everything else .... our tendency to dominate (imperfection) will bring this dire situation about.
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    Melinda Mills

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Who is the moderator? This topic should be closed.
  8. 2 points
    The faith groups that produce apostates are but a tiny sliver of the overall world population. You “think outside the box” when you leave the mainstream to enter one of those relatively tiny faith groups. You do not “think outside the box” when you leave one to rejoin the mainstream, any more than you “think outside the box” when you eat in the dining room, sleep in the bedroom, or shower in the bathroom. This is no more than a effort to penalize and ideally eliminate those who truly “think outside of the box,” those who would actually dare to be “no part of the world.” The situation should not be framed any other way. If I play my cards right, perhaps I can get coverage of my book right there on the Norwegian Saturday News:
      Hello guest!
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    It’s funny how he says that “you” decided to isolate yourself when he’s the one choosing to cut contact
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    James Thomas Rook Jr.

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    People that have "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" will go to great lengths to prove, with distorted logic and reasoning that their viewpoint of the Universe ... centered on them ... is correct. You can prove them wrong a hundred times on any one subject, and they will NEVER accept it. I would not be surprised if Foreigner would ban himself/herself/themselves, just to appear to be correct, and then reappear as another entity, and say "see, I TOLD you so!"., thinking in their own mind that they were forced out by others. Whatever happens to NPD people who irritate, insult, disparage and malign everyone around them who think rationally ... is NEVER their own fault. ... except that in reality ... it always is.
  11. 2 points
    The fact that you call them “hate rallies” suggests a shedding of neutrality.
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    Witness

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Dear JWI, I know you are fairly aware of what I believe, so hopefully I don't get too carried away here. I do not have nearly the knowledge of scripture that Pearl has. Inspiration of Holy Spirit among anointed is not a rare thing. On the contrary, those who remain “in Christ” would be inspired to speak according to scripture – according to the direction the Holy Spirit would lead them. Although it is “one Spirit”, each member of the anointed body would reveal its workings through the gifts individually given them. 1 Cor 12:7 Pearl’s gift benefits the other members – and all who care to listen - in an exclusive way. 1 Cor 12:11 I don’t think I would call those who have been disfellowshipped or shunned after say, 10-50 years spent in the organization, as “immature Witnesses”. The authority over JWs, is an iron fist in a velvet glove. The impact may not be felt, not perceived, until one stands up against its leaders. Surely, you know that people who speak against a “leadership” for misguiding individuals with wrong teachings or expectations, put their lives at risk. Those who do so in the organization, are the “mature ones”, who take hold of their own spiritual lives. They realize our judgment of eternal life or death comes from Christ. Rom 14:10 The assumed authority by men to judge people as spiritually “dead”, according to a big thick manual, (that is considered “confidential”) is frightening, isn’t it? Toaccept such authority (or 'leadership') over JWs, when the organization digs in their heals to resist facing their own sins, is hypocrisy. How can love spring forth from a leadership of hypocrisy? I so wish you could consider the “weightier matters” that I know you see, instead of justifying and making amends for the existence of the *organization, by straining out the gnat and swallowing a *camel. Matt 23:23,24 I’m curious how the Bible reveals that an earthly organization in Satan’s realm, could possibly be used as a tool for Christ’s Kingdom interests. Christ and Satan are enemies. Why would Christ utilize power, authority, and material interests that are all that Satan lusts after, and freely gives others who desire it, (as the “ruler of this world” John 12:31)… to embellish his Kingdom interests? Luke 4:5-7 John 18:36: Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.” His only interest is in the hearts of individuals. If we submit individually to his authority, we become a “kingdom interest”. Luke 17:21 It doesn’t take an organization to do this. About trees and fruit. Genesis mentions two trees. Gen 2:9 The tree that Eve eventually “ate” from, produced death. Rom 5:12 Satan offered her a lie, and she not only accepted it, but shared this lie with Adam. BOTH lost the gift of life. Jesus, as the Word of life, is the “tree” of life. Gen 3:22; John 1:1,14 He told us how we are to “eat” from the tree of life: "Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.” John 6:57 “For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” 34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.” 35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” John 6:33,34 Through our obedience to his teachings, he says: "Let anyone who has ears to hear listen to what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.” Rev 2:7 (also 22:14) Since Christ is the Head of the anointed Body, his bodily members are also considered “trees”. We know there would be no deviance, no misleading word or teaching coming from the mouth of Christ, since each word he spoke, contained life. John 14:6 There is no “bad fruit” that Christ would produce. So too, should it be with the anointed “trees” (or, branches of the vine) that are to “remain in him” – receiving the same Holy Spirit. John 15:4; Mark 11:24; John 14:26 The anointed must learn, from their Head, Christ. It is only then that they also, can produce lasting “fruit”/teachings sourced from Holy Spirit. John 6:56; Mal 2:7 Well, could you be ignoring what Jesus taught about a “good tree”? Would you be justifying WT’s teachings by doing so? He didn’t say both bad and good fruit are found on a good tree. Matt 7:18; 12:33 “For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit” Luke 6:43 Surely, since the Pharisees knew the law, there were good things that they taught the people (Matt 23:3), but they were not considered by John the Baptist as a tree that imparted “good fruit”. Matt 3:7-10 There is a clear distinction between what is good and what is bad in the Bible. A “good” anointed tree would be found trustworthy to produce “fruit” sourced in Christ – always reliable, always lasting, teachings that always are able to be built upon. John 15:16 If an anointed one misleads his hearers with a worthless piece of fruit – a “teaching” that he said is from God but is now discarded, how is this any different than the lie Satan told Eve? Dear JWI, you are believing that “surely we will not die” because it is okay to accept doctrine from the leaders of “Jehovah’s organization” that was absolutely, a lie to begin with. Satan is “sifting” all of us by using “teachings”/words/lies, from his own bodily members - his “ministers of light”. Luke 22:31; 2 Cor 11:13-15 This is why, during the last days both truth and lies are presented by anointed “trees”/ “kings of the earth”. Rev 1:5; 19:16,19 Which “tree” of those “kings" we choose to listen to, is what our heart desires. Matt 10:40-42; 15:18; 2 Thess 2:9-12 In the Kingdom, along with the “tree of life”, are found his “trees”/Bride: Ezek 47:12 -- "All kinds of trees providing food will grow along both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, and their fruit will not fail. Each month they will bear fresh fruit because the water comes from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be used for food and their leaves for medicine." Rev 22:17 - “The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let the one who hears say, “Come!” Let the one who is thirsty come; and let the one who wishes take the free gift of the water of life.” John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.” And...I got carried away. "Two Trees" - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot Pearl Doxsey
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    Srecko Sostar

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Hi Allen. Well, we have two sort of Interpretations here. First is interpretations on Bible verses ...... and next is interpretations on WT verses. Also we have dilemma (you don't have that dilemma :))))). 1) Who is authorized to interpret Bible verses? 2) Who is authorized to interpret WT literature? :)))
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    Srecko Sostar

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I definitely agree that you said interesting thoughts. Even more. You going further, into some future with "insight". That is visible in idea you mentioned, how "mediate" about something about what is not "broadly accepted" and how it "is not wrong to speculate" with outcome how that process in us resulted with "new insight". How that is different with what some other people doing? What if JHVH support your "speculation and private new insight", but you still thinking, how He, because of your prayer, thinks that you are on right path and have no need to correct you? Does this mean how "typical Witness" is in better position than JW's who participate here as "untypical"? :)) I don't know WHO and WHEN had INVENTED this Phrase, but imagine this scene: Jesus is in corner of synagogue, after he gave his speech introducing "speculation" and "new light". One priest come to him and in fatherly figure mode with soft and calm voice tell him: "Dear Jesus, my brother, my son, don't running ahead. Wait for God and He will change all what is not good. Our GB will be enlighten by His word and make all changes that is needed, but you must wait."
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    Though it is not in a portion of the Bible known for prophesy, the most striking prophesy of all to me is Romans 1:26-28 “That is why God gave them over to uncontrolled sexual passion, for their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; likewise also the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males” Though the flavor of the verse is seems clearly “anti-gay,” for the purposes of this comment that need not be considered. When I became a Witness in the 1970s, I thought this verse was way way out there, not realistic at all. Of course, there had always been homosexuality, but to suggest that it would one day go viral seemed absurd. Yet it has happened. Even gays themselves, though they will be happy at the extent that they have been able to make progress, must be surprised at how quickly it has come about. The pace accelerates and spreads to new frontiers. Whereas gays have taken decades to enter the mainstream, the embrace of the transgender movement have taken mere months. Gayle King (I heard her say this on CBS This Morning) did not know what the Q stood for when she obediently appended it to LGBT. Did it mean “questioning?” Or “queer?” She didn’t know. But she didn’t dare not include it.
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    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Anna seems to think you were being sarcastic toward JW’s and Not God. What she “fails” to understand is, I wasn’t referring about JW’s but instead concentrated on your own blasphemous words? “Its good food until it becomes rotten, and “Jehovah has to come up with new food” God doesn’t need to provide anything to us humans. He does so, so that we can benefit from his spiritual wisdom. God gave up his son as a sacrifice in order for humanity to have a second chance for internal life. How dare you insinuate as well as Anna that it was meant to be sarcastic toward JW’S? How dare you command God that he has to come up with new food? That’s what “has to” is, a command. When, did you become above God to order God to do something. An attack to God’s sovereignty as well. Your blasphemous statement that “Jehovah has to come up with NEW FOOD is a direct attack on God. You have made the, grievous of sins since you attacked God’s Holy Spirit that dispenses that “fine” fruits. IT IS UP TO GOD TO DECIDE IF THAT FRUIT SHOULD BE REVISED FOR THE NEXT GENERATION, NOT YOURS, NOT WITNESS, NOT JWINSIDER, NOT TTH, NOT ANNA, NOT JTR, NOT ANYONE’S BUT HIS ALONE. Anna might want to dismiss your words. She can’t. She doesn’t have the power to forgive such a sin. She, might think so, but she would only be fooling herself. People need to start respecting God more here. As for the governing body. They hold, apply, and obey God’s words more than you. You are a sanctimonious and arrogant man that just lost his soul. This is the kind of Christianity being argued here by opposers? Get behind me Satan. That’s all on you Bub!
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    TrueTomHarley

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Arrgghhhh I have not spoken harshly about the Watchtower, and I don’t think I ever commented on jw.net. At any rate, the parrot was selected specifically for an identity here. Vic Vomidog is an fictional apostate from my first book—a “perennial” apostate, George Chrysiddes has called him—and he has not appeared on any other website than here. Possibly you are thinking of some comment meant to be humorous and the humor missed the mark, at least in your instance. You must understand that when I write of Jehovah’s Witnesses, I give away many a fault, but they are nearly always quirks and human foibles. This is deliberate and is not meant to convey any disrespect to the Watchtower. If we try to present ourselves as Rhodes scholars, people visit a Kingdom Hall and see through it in two seconds. No. We are ordinary people—with an emphasis on the ordinary, the same as was true of the early Christians. They did not “lift themselves up by their own bootstraps” later in life. They remained always “uneducated and ordinary” by the world’s standards, that description of the ones taking the lead in Jerusalem. Such is the nature of Christianity. Jehovah’s Witnesses have held on to that pattern. It is a working-class religion. It always has been. It draws disproportionally from that group. Ones more highly educated are welcome, but not to assume the takeover rights to which they are accustomed. My aim always is to present Jehovah’s Witnesses as earthen vessels, and they are more desirable on that account. Moreover, God is more to be praised on that account: “However, we have this treasure in earthen vessels, so that the power beyond what is normal may be God’s and not from us.” - 2 Corinthians 4:7 I don’t even kick back anymore when some scoundrel tries to present it as though JWs have higher than elsewhere incidences of mental illness. I have no idea whether that is true or not, but I say that if it is, it is exactly what one would expect from Jesus’s remarks that he came to minister, not to those not who do not need a physician, but to those who do. He is speaking “spiritual sickness,” of course, but sickness tends to overflow its banks. Ones truly “sighing and groaning over all the detestable things” may well display signs of emotional stress. This does not make them undesirable. It is the ones that sail full speed ahead, untroubled by the atrocities so clearly visible on all sides that you have to wonder about. With admittedly some exaggeration, I have stated: “When Jehovah’s Witnesses go nuts, they are still well-meaning persons who wouldn’t hurt a fly. When those of the greater world go nuts, you’d better call the SWAT team. Humor can make “the medicine go down.” People like humor. But it does not translate well, and there are some people with no sense of humor at all. If it does not translate well, then snark and sarcasm translate even worse. I use them all. My intended audience is not primarily the friends. I hope they like it, but I am not mainly writing for them. This is the reason that the Watchtower writes very plainly (some would say blandly). It is frustrating to those who love to read, but it is something that must be—they do not want their writing diluted when some take exception to what doesn’t have to be there in the first place, so they stick to strictly the spiritual aspects of things and touch on current news topic specifics to such a shallow degree that it is a turnoff to those imagining themselves better plugged in. It has to be that way. Just look at how JWI and Arauna are going at it over something that both concede is a sidepoint. It is perfectly okay for such to play out here, but the WT organization would never even touch the topic.
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    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    You must be confused TTH. I know the parrot is you. I don't think you would "BAN" yourself, unless you feel you need to do it in order to confuse people or make a deceptive point. I've known that Parrot since Jehovah's Witness dot net when you spoke harshly about the Watchtower. So, try to keep your deceptive story straight. You will make a better storyteller. But, I will agree, I have been banned because of people like you, Anna, JWinsider, JTR. People that are far from being witnesses. So, I don't see why you argue with "witness" another false prophet, when you should be, agreeing with her. I don't see the need to continue being deceptive about whom the Admin and the Librarian is. Who the old hen is. That boat sailed long ago when you gave up that info by trying to computer hack a member of my group. Therefore, stop trying to be cute and witty, you're no better a liar than, JWinsider. Ban me again!
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    Anna

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I wish I could comment on Arauna's and JWI's political banter, but I am ashamed to say I don't know enough about China etc. to make any kind of valid contribution. What I do know is that it is SO difficult to get to the real truth. Unless you have lived it, and experienced it, you can't really be sure about the news, as most of it is propaganda anyway. And you really can't trust the Internet to provide the truth either. Just as a silly example; I was researching "ragweed", which is a plant responsible for allergies at this time of the year in many US states. I like to pick wildflowers and I brought home a plant with yellow flowers, which I know well, called goldenrod. My mother in law insisted it was ragweed. I knew goldenrod was not allergenic as it is a popular back of the (flower) border plant in England. So I Googled ragweed and half the pictures that came up were goldenrod! Of course goldenrod is not ragweed, not even close, but it shows that if the Internet can get something so simple wrong, then how much more precarious is the truth about very complex political and social matters, and also historical truth about people that are long dead. So personally I would not jump on the bandwagon of "popular" views. Not that it matters what I think anyway, but I'm just saying in order to really be fair, unless we are actual witnesses of a situation, it should be OK to admit that we just can't be sure. I don't know if this makes sense 😂
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    For all that I have heard about the Duck Duck Go web browser that stores NO information, I have never gotten around to trying it. Inertia is a powerful thing. I even follow the company on Twitter.
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    Witness

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    @TrueTomHarley stated: "There are no “typical” Witnesses here, in my view, except for a few that occasionally stray here, sometimes naively offer comments, thinking persons will be readjusted, and then leave shocked when they discover that no way will it happen. On a few occasions, I have chased them away—it is fine for them to stay here if they wish, but they should know the score before they do. They should not think that Witness, for example, is some misguided sister that they can help with but a kind word or two." Yes Tom, I have more power to mislead a JW than 8 men put together. Incredible, isn’t it? Although with wolves, there is power in numbers. One thing about spiritual wolves among sheep, is that they rub shoulders with them, and gain their confidence. They speak soothing words with poison on their lips. Ps 140:3 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. Matt 7:15-20 Clear evidence that you reside among wolves is WT's failed, distorted, changed doctrine. CLEAR EVIDENCE, ACCORDING TO CHRIST. YET, IGNORED BY THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO REMAIN BLIND TO THE EVIDENCE. 2 Cor 4:1-4 Even the seemingly innocent ones led by wolves, can mislead a sheep through prophetic speculation; while also misleading oneself with one’s own, provocative lie. Perhaps you can explain how the focus of Daniel 11 switches from the trampling of the anointed "saints", over to the conquering of the entire world. Is God's Temple found in a government of the world? Is it found in a religion of the world? It is found in the hearts of the anointed ones, who are found in the organization. They are the target of Satan in the last days. 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22 Rev 20:7-9 “Then the king will do whatever he wants. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god, (John 10:34-36) and he will say outrageous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, because what has been decreed will be accomplished.” Dan 11:36,37 “It acted arrogantly even against the Prince of the heavenly army;(Rev 1:5) it revoked his regular sacrifice and overthrew the place of his sanctuary.” Dan 8:11 "His forces will rise up and desecrate the temple fortress. They will abolish the regular sacrifice and set up the abomination of desolation.” Dan 11:31 “His power will be great, but it will not be his own power. (Rev 13:14,15; 19:20) He will cause outrageous destruction and succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy the powerful along with the holy people.” Dan 8:24 “He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits in God’s temple, proclaiming that he himself is God.” 2 Thess 2:4 "Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod, with these words: “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who worship there. 2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the Gentiles, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months." Rev 11:1,2 "Representing the royal priesthood are appointed elders, who serve in positions of responsibility in congregations of Jehovah’s people around the earth. These men deserve our respect and wholehearted support, whether they are of the anointed or not. Rather than challenge their authority, we truly appreciate our hardworking elders! Their record of faithful service, often over many decades, inspires our trust. " W 02/8/1 This is doctrine of men, that contradicts God's decrees found in the Bible. 2 Chron 13:9; 23:6,7; Num 18:7; Dan 9:27 (edited) If JWs say they love the scriptures, and love God, then I would hope they would research what is happening in their own corrupt organization, that calls itself "spirit-directed". Rev 13:15 Otherwise, to ignore God's decrees concerning HIS priesthood, is utter hypocrisy. The “man of lawlessness”/elder body conquers the priesthood by ruling over it; and halting, dissolving their priestly sacrifices of praise from their own lips; and instead, expecting them to regurgitate "fruit" that comes from a "bad tree"/wicked slave. Matt 24:48-51 (edited) The GB are not a conglomerate High Priest that directs the priesthood. That only, is Christ. Heb 5:5,6,9,10 The word for "bad" in Matt 7:15-20 above, means "corrupt" "unfit for use", "worthless". So, why do JWs continue in giving allegiance to 8 men who cannot produce "good" ("good constitution", "upright") fruit, since the evidence in scripture shows that bad fruit (spoiled, discarded teachings) does not grow on a "good tree"? We are, what we eat. "Iron and Clay" 4womaninthewilderness blogspot, Pearl Doxsey
  24. 1 point
    TrueTomHarley

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    HEY! I THOUGHT I BANNED YOU!!! Now you listen to me and you listen good, my fine mangy feathered “friend.” If you don’t stay banned once I ban you, I will wrap you around the end of a mop and swab the WorldNewsMedia studio floors with you!
  25. 1 point
    As twisted as the trinity is, it is still the most thoughtful item presented here.
  26. 1 point
    Allen_Smith

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Follow, admire, and elevate, whatever terminology works for you. That’s why I follow “only” God. If I followed a human and their idea of interpretation of scripture. I wouldn’t call myself Christian. No one should. This is why, I'm confident above all other religions, The Watchtower holds the truth. I am proud to be part of the Org. If you follow Aruana, that’s up to you, but some people call that stocking. Please don’t compare me with what JWinsider and Anna are doing, it’s beneath your dignity, and insulting to Aruana. But to a certain extent, you are correct, many in my group do show how fake the news is here, regardless if they get deleted in the end. Somehow, fighting a good fight for God is above anything, here. 1 Timothy 6:12 Since we are no longer friends, then I will add you to the list. I do consider myself a typical soldier of God. Always have been and always will.
  27. 1 point
    divergenceKO

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Keep blowing hot air as you normally do. I don't pay attention to insane people.
  28. 1 point
    TrueTomHarley

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Titan is tongue-in-cheek, not to be taken literally. I just meant that you express your points well.
  29. 1 point
    JW Insider

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I'll start with this one, since I agree with a big part of it. Foreign English teachers are still welcome and wanted in China, and they are still being invited. But they are not as welcome as they were just a couple of years ago. Teachers from the United States, especially, are being discouraged from accepting invitations, because the US relationship with China is disintegrating fast, mostly due to economic tariff wars. Chinese schools are not given the freedom to break the rules as often and the immigration policy is stricter. American teachers are meeting up with more antagonism. I think it's explained well in this article from the law firm, Harris-Bricken:
      Hello guest!
    [Some excerpts make up the rest of this post, nothing more from me, although I will highlight some portions.] Do NOT Teach English in China and Why EVERYONE Should Read This By Dan Harris on June 19, 2019 Posted in China Business, Legal News ... Since relations between China and the West (especially the English speaking West) started going into straight line decline about a year ago, [2018] the number of these emails have increased exponentially and the problems have shifted. The problems we are seeing these days generally fit into the following three categories: 1. English teacher in jail for a fight or for drug possession. Our advice is to have someone close to them reach out to their country’s embassy and work with the embassy in securing a good local criminal lawyer. We urge them to act quickly and, if at all possible, secure financial support from their parents. We urge them not to publicize their case unless and until their retained lawyer suggests that be done, which is rare. [#2 missing from original article] 3. Visa issues. We usually suggest the teacher work with their school to try to solve these problems (if they trust/like their school) and/or get a good local immigration lawyer/visa specialist to assist. Occasionally we suggest the teacher leave the country. 4. Non-payment or underpayment. These usually involve the school perpetually underpaying, the school being late with payment, the school not paying promised bonuses, not paying for extra hours, not paying the final month’s paycheck under the contract or not reimbursing or paying for the flight home (as per the contract). Our advice is usually to let it go because finding and hiring and paying for a lawyer will likely be difficult and the teacher (just as with the work related problems mentioned above) may well be better off long-term by not making waves. Pretty routine stuff right? Yes and no and it is the “no” part that is causing me to write this post. The no part is that in the last three months these issues have gone into warp speed. Speaking just for myself, the number of these emails has gone from one or two a month to four to five a day. I have seen at least a ten-fold increase in prison, visa and payment problems for teachers from China (and nowhere else in the world). It has gotten relentless to the point of being depressing. If the emails we are relentlessly receiving are any indication (and they have to be), the following is happening in China in what feels like every minute: Teachers are being drug tested using their hair samples. Many are testing for cannabis and being jailed for 30 days or more and then being deported. This is happening to newly arrived teachers who insist they did not consume any cannabis since arriving in China. Listen up everybody, cannabis can show up in hair testings up to (and even sometimes beyond) 90 days after you have consumed it. So if you are going to be teaching in China and you do not want to spend time in jail and get deported, please, please, please go at least four months without consuming ANY cannabis before you go there and please, please, please do not consume any cannabis while there. None. Zero. Zilch. 没有. Aucun. Keiner. PLEASE. Invariably, the schools use this as a reason not to pay the teacher whatever is owed. Teachers are being checked (or reported on) for having an improper visa for China. The teachers are then being tossed in jail and then deported or just deported straight away. Invariably, the schools use this as a reason not to pay the teacher whatever is owed. It appears to have become very common (as a cost cutting measure) for schools to have teachers come to China and start their teaching on tourist visas, all the while claiming this is perfectly legal — it isn’t. The teachers believe this until the day they are arrested. Near as I can tell, the schools rarely if ever get in any real trouble for this but the teachers sure do. Teachers are not getting paid. Just this morning I got an email from one teacher who say that she and another 75+ teachers in her city (from various different schools) have not gotten paid for months. And another email mentioning nine teachers in another city who also have not been paid. Add to this the pretty much daily emails I get from teachers who do not get their last paycheck or the airfare reimbursements or the bonuses they were promised and it has become clear that it is open season right now against foreign teachers in China. The schools clearly believe they can blow off paying their teachers with impunity because they are right. When teachers ask me what they should do about getting paid my response is usually to say that they can retain and pay a local Chinese attorney to try to get paid, but the odds of a foreign teacher prevailing on such a claim are not good and pushing at all hard to get paid can have all sorts of negative ramifications. Schools will pull teacher’s work visas or refuse to assist in moving it to a new employer. They may also seek to have you deported so they can be sure to avoid having to pay wages owed and it is not uncommon for schools to make up claims about their teachers and to threaten to “make sure they will never work in China again.” You therefore need to think long and hard about getting bogged down in these sorts of disputes and even how they might harm your long term career prospects.
  30. 1 point
    James Thomas Rook Jr.

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I have found that if one is inclined to be gobsmacked, to always wear the same color shirt (or blouse ..) as your toothpaste. I has the added advantage of always being minty fresh, and you NEVER have to change it.
  31. 1 point
    JW Insider

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Yes. This is partly true. My old boss was from the mainland, where his parents still live, but had moved to work in Hong Kong before getting a job in New York. Most of his relatives still live on the mainland, so when he goes back he visits Hong Kong first, then his other relatives. We recently met at a restaurant with a couple other retirees from the same company, and we talked for a couple hours. I ran a few of these same "young people" arguments by him, and it's true that he is very wary of some of the government's business and economic plans, although he admits that they are currently working. He is very anti-communist as many Chinese-born US citizens are. But the one area he says the US (and West) has all wrong is the Uyghur ("Weeger") situation. He says that you have to read between the lines, or learn how to pick the one CNN report in 10 that gets it right. He is surprised that they allow reports to be completely contradictory (although he listens to an International version of CNN) along with a lot of anti-Chinese media. What's curious is that these "concentration camps" are not "concentration camps," as there is no torture, no forced hard labor, etc. Although Chinese are definitely behind it, they are actually run mostly by Weegers and for Weegers. One of the big thrusts of the Chinese government is to try to legislate against racism, and there is plenty of racism in China. If a group appears to be very unaccepting of other groups -to the point of using violence- they are supposed to go through training in their own culture and other cultures, too. This does include "indoctrination" in the goals of the government, what we would call classes in civics and citizenship, but he says it is mostly job training, and can even include moving a Weeger family to areas to get them better jobs. China ties the problem of poverty to violent rioting and demonstrations. Muslims around the world have agreed that this has worked as a method of reducing radicalization and has eliminated terrorism. Most of China, of course, are Han, although there are several million Weegers, mostly in the Xinjiang province. The first big problem with the Weegers came about after riots that evidently began with rumors of Weegers raping a Han, and other rumors that spread and morphed out of this one. The Han instigated violent riots against the Weegers, and China put a lot of effort into punishing the Han offenders. On the mainland, he says that the Chinese support and defense of the Weegers is a source of anger by racist Chinese. The actual number of Weegers required to go through the training programs are probably in the tens of thousands, he thinks. (The idea of "millions" is a Western invention.) He also mentioned that China has helped Muslims build mosques, not only in China but also in Africa. The Weegers have a vibrant culture in the Xinjiang province that China supports. By the way, the entire Muslim world does NOT believe the Weeger propaganda. Even when the UN resolution condemning the "Weeger" situation was promoted by the West, it was signed on by only about 22 countries, all white (US, UK, etc) and ZERO Islamic countries signed onto the resolution. The NYT which attempts at least one big anti-China article every week, ended up reporting the Chinese side of the argument in the context of the 22 nation campaign. While generally negative, of course, the article also included the following: China denied such actions when a United Nations human rights committee questioned the policy last year but later said it was providing vocational training to insulate Xinjiang’s population from what it described as the global scourge of extremism. To counter international critics, last month China brought Xinjiang’s deputy governor, an ethnic Uighur, to the council, where he asserted that such training is lifting Xinjiang’s people from poverty. The deputy governor, Aierken Tuniyazi, also rejected accusations that the trainees are in detention camps. “The trainees’ personal dignity and freedom are fully protected,” he said, describing students living in air-conditioned dormitories and dividing their time between learning valuable skills and participating in ethnic dancing, singing or sports. China has used its economic leverage and diplomatic muscle to support this narrative with some success. Muslim countries have remained silent and have even praised China’s treatment of its Muslims. Cameroon, a beneficiary of Chinese infrastructure spending, devoted a statement in the council last week to praising China’s “big achievement” in Xinjiang. And last month Vladimir Voronkov, the Russian diplomat heading the United Nations Counter-Terrorism Office, visited Xinjiang and in his end of mission statement made no reference to human rights concerns there, an omission that human rights groups saw as a propaganda gift to Chinese authorities. What often raises my own suspicions on these topics is a common thread of US hypocrisy. The US and other Western nations have been overreacting to Muslim countries for many years now, because it's good for the military contractors, and the oil industry. (These are often synonymous with the meaning of the expression "American interests," the thing the US is protecting every time the US joins a conflict.) Therefore, the West looks to blame China for something that might sound even worse. The West uses the IMF and World Bank and even so-called Human Rights societies to help push an agenda in countries where the West wants to plunder resources. When the West builds infrastructure in another nation it's mostly to help get those resources out of the country, not to help local workers and local civilians. The US is infamous for promoting a need for certain facilities at such a cost in IMF loans that the country is supposed to default, and then the US then has leverage to gain UN votes, build military bases, take a higher percentage of resources and profits, or completely "own" the country's new leader through a regime change. Therefore, this is what China will be blamed for doing through Western fearmongering. The pattern is very clear on several such items. The West (especially the US) does something bad, so China must be blamed for something just like it, but worse.
  32. 1 point
    James Thomas Rook Jr.

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    The reason the United States has many more prisoners than other countrues is that FREEDOM is allowed for people that have not grown up enough to handle it. Also ... we count the WHOLE person. In other countries they count less because of missing hands, and sometimes even missing heads. You probably don't need to imprison a thief that has had both hands cut off. And of course, public executions do tend to cut down on the repeat offenders, quite a bit.
  33. 1 point
    Srecko Sostar

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    If you allow me to say this way: Do not put your faith in interpretations of prophecies.
  34. 1 point
    Witness

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    “(to give the correct perspective)” “Hardened in their pattern of thinking” “But remain totally uninvolved” “defend the truth” Arauna, do you remember your comment on my post about the locust? I didn’t see you remaining totally uninvolved there. Do you also remember the Watchtower’s new adjustment on the identity of the locusts of both Revelation and Joel? Have you adjusted your own hardened pattern of thinking to bring it in line with new ‘truth’ concerning their absolute need to make it clear that the locust in Joel 2 are not the same army as the one in Revelation 9? Are you prepared to give the (new )correct perspective (that of the WT) when confronted with this topic? What truth do you defend today that is different than the truth you defended two years ago? Some of us have preferred to harden our pattern of thinking in line with Christ’s truth that we recognize in the scriptures, and that other anointed have offered. To do this, we have “changed the way we think” about men who stumble repeatedly, over their own version of “truth”. Rom 12:2 We have realized not only is their truth fake, but so are they. Luke 21:8; Rev 8:10,11; 13:11 So, we who spent a good chunk of our lives believing in something fake, now have an ax to grind with the WT. We want those whom we love, to wake up to their own captivity to empty philosophy. Col 2:8; Rev 13:10 If you and others like you would just wake up, I can guarantee that you in particular, would join us, since I see it in your personality. (OCD) Eph 5:8-14 The word truth is tossed around between us - between both sides. There is only one "truth" and it never needs to be discarded. That "truth" comes only from Christ. John 14:6; John 15:7,8,16; 2 Tim 2:15 Eph 6:14 - "Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place" How many times have you changed your "belt of truth" since being a JW? Perhaps dictionaries should include an addendum to the definition of truth – “Truth as taught by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society: ‘new light’” I know, “OCD” .
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  36. 1 point
    In 1994, I was working in Midtown Manhattan and someone handed me a 26 page booklet called "Four Years of Struggle against Texaco's Dark Legacy in the Ecuadorian Amazon." There is also a tract inside called "Boycott Texaco - Star Polluter of the Ecuadorian Rainforest." I never read them at the time, but I find them today in pristine condition, and didn't even know about the tract inside until this morning. Representatives of indigenous groups, along with supporters around the world, brought a case against Texaco which had devastated the lands, killed the fish, and chased away the animals that the rural people of Ecuador had relied upon to live. Texaco had agreed to clean up their mess, but this is in a part of the world that cannot enforce a cleanup in the way Texaco had been forced to clean up messes affecting the United States. Texaco continued to flout the laws, while claiming to uphold them, without a care that they were literally killing people by their roughshod processes. (Separately, not in the tracts, they have been investigated for suspicion of being in cahoots with actual hitmen who murdered indigenous people in Ecuador when they tried to stand in the way of Texaco and other oil companies there.) If any company or group had come into the United States and done something similar it would easily have been seen as a declaration of war. Similarly, a lot of people don't realize that when a group or government destroys the food supplies of another nation that it is the same thing as a declaration of war. When the US sanctions Venezuela, or Iraq, or Iran, (or perhaps Turkey) for example, if it attempts to enforce a total blockade of goods going into and out of the nation through pressure on other nations, too, it has not only declared war (unofficially) but has found a way to kill more civilians than an outright declaration of war would accomplish. Most people think of Bush II as the person who killed the most Iraqis, but when Clinton enforced the sanctions promoted through the UN, and continued to bomb infrastructure such as electric power plants, airports, clean water facilities, etc., Clinton had been able to accomplish the killing of at least a MILLION women, children, and men. When Saudi Arabia, with US help, bombs Yemen's water, and power, and resources, it creates the same situation where the majority of the population of men, women, and children can die of starvation and disease. There have been dozens of cases where governments have promised to help survivors of such campaigns, and dozens of cases where corporations have promised to help out the survivors who have had a livelihood taken away. If the country or corporation is rich enough, however, they always find a way to avoid the promised expenditures. And they don't worry much about the negative publicity, because if they break their promises long enough, they can usually just wait until the demonstrators get violent so that they can be termed "criminal" and most of the world will just look away.
  37. 1 point
    Melinda Mills

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Didn't realize how good that sentence was. "But some names stick". You didn't mention the one James alluded to. You weren't Banned, why? Yes, 101 topics in one.
  38. 1 point
    Nor have I ever seen one of Trump’s rallies, due to my usual objection about video. Of course, I have seen clips of them as presented on media, where they are carefully culled to make them appear hate-laden, yet even there, sometimes they reveal the wishes of the media more than that of the Pres—the media being primarily left of center, by over 90%.
  39. 1 point
    ANYBODY can make a medical diagnosis at a distance , and the older you get, and the more experienced you get, the better a person will be at it. At least that is the usual case. With enough experience, you can go to an "Indiana Jones" movie, like "Raiders of the Lost Ark", and when the Nazis show up, a flash of brilliance will cross you mind, and INSTANTLY you will know in this story who the Bad Guys are. When their face melts off, it gets even more evident.
  40. 1 point
    I thought one of our missions was to "overturn strongly entrenched things"? I know that when I do, it is not a waste of MY time, as it proves, in trial by combat with REAL enemies ( not some sham fantasy) that my theology is correct. There is no substitute for victory!
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  42. 1 point
    Sorry ---- I just realized that I titled this post wrong, it should read weeks for "October 14-20 and October 21-27, 2019". TB
  43. 1 point
    I am proud to be labeled as an apostate to the jw religion. But an apostate to God never will I be. Jw's have their own dictionary, so their definition of mentally diseased is different from societies.
  44. 1 point
    For anyone who didn't understand the joke, the excerpt I put in the original post was actually taken from a 1987 Watchtower. It's from an article written by Brother Fred Franz, giving a part of his own life experience: *** w87 5/1 p. 24 Looking Back Over 93 Years of Living *** One Saturday night in the spring of 1913, Albert had gone to bed early in the dormitory of the YMCA, where he was living while working in Chicago. Later, his roommate burst into the room to explain a difficulty. He was invited that night to the home of a Mr. and Mrs. Hindman, and their daughter Nora was to have a girlfriend there at the house. Two girls would be too much for Albert’s roommate to handle by himself. With alacrity, Albert rose to the occasion. During the course of the evening, Albert’s roommate was getting along quite famously with the two young ladies. But Mr. and Mrs. Hindman concentrated on Albert . . . I often heard Brother Franz speak to the Bethel family for up to half-an-hour at a time, over a period of several years in the late 1970's and early 1980's. He often seemed pleased with himself that he could get away with sometimes coarse talk and even "suggestive" language, that no one else would ever even attempt in front of an audience.
  45. 1 point
    Maybe it will be on the site later. Patience @Jack Ryan Jehovah reveals things in HIS timeline... not ours.
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  48. 0 points
    Arauna

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    I am glad you noticed this. People who have an ax to grind with JW org. cannot help themselves....... they show who they are...... repetitively..... It is actually useless to talk to them (to give the correct perspective) because they are hardened in their pattern of thinking when they have come this far. I may troll them for a moment now and then but remain totally uninvolved...... not worth the effort. One cannot think that one can defend the truth here or that one will find any reasonableness. One will not find any truth here - only human screwed up thoughts accompanied by narcissism and a degree of OCD. In regards to what I said above - do not think you can defend the truth on this website. Rather take this time to go read the bible - that is where you will find the truth dear brother. If you are emotional, you will just get frustrated here...... do not do this to yourself. Those who are so hardened against the truth are not interested in the truth - they still have a compulsive hate for the truth. When I see OCD symptoms, I do not really bother to put a convincing argument foreward because I do not waste my precious time. I have better things to do that will please Jehovah. ........Just a bit of sound advice. Been in the same situation before, got the T-shirt, done that. DO not repeat a useless exercise - LOL - AND EXPECT DIFFERENT RESULTS. There are no lost sheep here to have pity on..... they love the garbage (pigs food) they are eating in their "debauched" state. They have no thoughts of returning to the good food of their loving father. Until that happens - you are wasting your time.
  49. -1 points
    Many were baptized into the organization before the stipulation was made of dedicating oneself to the organization. When one of those individuals baptized in the early 80's and before, wakes up to their own captivity under the rules of men (Col 2:20-23); and persistently rejects the organization today, should that be termed a gross sin, requiring shunning or disfellowshipping? Do God's rules ever change? Or, is it men changing their rules; who operate an organization,and devise new and improved 'hard and fast rules' necessary to keep the flock penned in, for their apparent 'safety'? Stay in Jehovah’s organization! It’s the only way of life that brings happiness.” W 10/6/15 pg 9,10 Here is God's rule through Christ: Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." John 10:7-10 Jesus is the only way to life, according to his words. He is not an organization; yet, the organization "kills" those who reject it, and turn to Christ. Not only does it rob people away from Christ, but it threatens people with loss of family, and home for rejecting it. It is truly, a thieving BEAST. Rev 13:1,4-10, 11,15; 11:1-3,7; 18:4-8
  50. -1 points
    Vic Vomidog

    JW OPPOSERS GROUPS

    Everything about Jehovah’s Witnesses is “privilege this” and “privilege that.” None of it is true. I am here to tell you that it is all slave labor, and furthermore




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