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  1. 7 points
    Here is the material for the next 2 weeks of March 18-24 & March 25-31 , 2019.. TB Don't forget that to download you have to be a member of the group... Watchtower March 18-24, 2019.doc Watchtower March 18-24, 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of March 18-24 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of March 18-24 , 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of March 18-24 , 2019 text only.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of March 18-24 , 2019 text only.doc CBS March 18-24, 2019.doc CBS March 18-24, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -March 18-24.doc Additional Highlights -March 18-24.pdf Watchtower March 25-31, 2019.pdf Watchtower March 25-31, 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of March 25-31 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of March 25-31 , 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of March 25-31 , 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of March 25-31 , 2019 text only.pdf CBS March 25-31,2019.doc CBS March 25-31,2019.pdf Additional Highlights -March 25-31.doc Additional Highlights -March 25-31.pdf
  2. 3 points
    Who told you this? But one thing doesn't seem believable, and that is actually replacing a jw.org flag. I cannot imagine there was a jw.org flag in the window. In fact why would the Chilean brothers have a flag, its usually just a plaque outside the KH.
  3. 3 points
    All in all, those brothers were forced to comply. The sensitive nature of my friend's visit was not to be seen as a united nation envoy to gather human rights violations data. They did see how certain provinces forced that mandate to certain KH’s that they wouldn’t otherwise use to sanction other religions, namely the Catholic Church. The other problem lied with “if” a KH could be viewed as a church, and its members are seen as Christians. That ideology is in line with how people view witnesses, worldwide. Witnesses are seen as a Cult, or extremist, not a church of Christ. The other would be threats of violence. Intimidation. In one account, a group of Chilean youths stormed the KH, took down the JW.org flag and replaced it with a Chilean flag. These are the problems I see when witnesses from a free society don’t understand the prospects of other countries. They think they can instill western values in areas that reject them. The Pinochet Era is still much alive. Therefore, the only ones worthy of accommodating the brotherhood in Chile, are Chilean Brothers, no one else. US democracy or US Watchtower policy doesn’t dictate, policies of other nations. When a missionary goes aboard, is that missionary going to continue enforcing his own freedom, or will that missionary need to adapt to the governing laws? Then, it’s not a matter of paying a bribe (Mordida) which it would amount to or comply with government forces greater than the Watchtower. However, has someone shown photos of the flag in the Chilean KH’s after 2018? What would the conscience be? Payoff a crooked government or comply with its local laws. That was the question before the Chilean Elders. How would a brother from a free country react? Keep in mind, “if” you payout the bribe, where will it stop. Therefore, which of these choices are the lesser of 2 evils. What are the possibilities of you calling a brother in Malawi and flat-out say, is the government still violating the human rights of the brotherhood in Malawi? Or how about in Russia. Call a brother there and say, I’ll be visiting Russia, where would the closet, secret brotherhood meeting be held, in order to attend. What do you suppose those answers are going to be? Therefore, what makes a brother from a free nation think, they will receive a straight answer to certain questions. Aside from that, it made logistical sense to me, without actually being there to see for myself.
  4. 3 points
    Well I got an answer from the brother with connections to Chile and elsewhere in South America, but it's very hard to believe. The answer is so odd that I hate to offer it yet as an explanation. So I also called about 12 different KH numbers, including an Assembly Hall number and the main number for Chile on JW.ORG (which matches the number on the "infamous" letterhead). I recorded the messages I got on each number. Some rang 'forever' and some had "no service" messages, and two had recorded messages after which I could have left a call-back number, but didn't. I am still going to have to call again next week, to attempt further verification. The friend I met with definitely knows about the Internet "hoopla." The son-in-law who was a Circuit Overseer there has come back to the USA more than once with his wife (my friend's daughter) due to a medical condition treated here. They have gone back, but each time to a different assignment, sometimes in different countries of South America. So I couldn't get an exact response about "a firsthand" experience with the topic in Chile since 2014. Neither of his daughters (or sons-in-law) are currently in Chile. So here was the answer that still needs more verification (mostly because I find it hard to believe). He stated it very matter-of-factly, and didn't seem to see a problem with it at all. Circuit Overseers are evidently told to strongly encourage the display of the flag on specific mandatory days ONLY in those areas where there have been past legal issues in the area regarding enforcement. Enforcement is not uniform, even though it applies to all buildings. Other circuit overseers have been told to strongly discourage the display of the flag on the premises of a KH, with certain exceptions regarding property ownership by individuals volunteering a property's free use as a KH. I asked about why he thought an inconsistent policy would be encouraged. His answer to that question was what really seemed more disconcerting: "Because if some congregations do and some don't, the government will see that this is a matter of conscience, and will realize that they [local JWs] aren't being ordered to handle the matter one way or another [based on a directive] from the [Watch Tower] Society." I didn't have the heart to point out that this is a strange way to prove that something is really a matter of conscience.
  5. 3 points
    Sorry Srecko, I don't play with politics.
  6. 3 points
    It is a mild hypocrisy but nothing more. It is like when brothers decry those who love violence but then tune into the football game. It is like when Jesus turns water into wine and the director says: “Every other man puts out the fine wine first, and then when guests are intoxicated the inferior. But you have saved the best for last!” One uber-righteous brother (for we do have some) stated: “We know people were not intoxicated at that gathering because Jesus would NEVER associate with those intoxicated.” I thought: “Of course he would. The verse all but says he did.” Good ol Jubulasiasen, who can’t hold his liquor and ordinarily doesn’t have to worry about it because he drinks only in moderation has a few too many at the joyous gathering and makes an ass of himself, incurring the wrath of his wife on account of the embarrassment.
  7. 3 points
  8. 3 points
    You are all confused. Did God have a nation in the past? Yes, the house of Israel was God's nation. God's Kingdom on earth, with a fleshly king representing it. There was nothing idolatrous about that idea. But as you know, the nation of Israel was later rejected by God and as Jesus said to the Jews: "This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits". This became the Christian congregation made up of not only anointed Jews (Israelites) but also anointed Gentiles. Hence, this new nation came to be known as "spiritual Israel", who with those not anointed (the other sheep) became one flock. 1 Pet. 2:9. JW.org is a website. The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is the worldwide congregation of anointed and the other sheep. If you want to call it an organization there is nothing wrong with that, since it is organized to accomplish God's will on earth, which is the preaching of the Kingdom and making disciples: "Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” ( Matthew 28:18-20) This worldwide congregation is not lead or headed by a fleshly King like in Israelite times, nor any other human, but a heavenly king Jesus Christ. He is the head of the congregation. Matthew 23:10 There is nothing idolatrous about that arrangement, and giving support to it is not being idolatrous but it is supporting Jesus' arrangement. And again I repeat, jw.org is a website, it is not the Christian Congregation, but merely a modern aid to disseminating the Kingdom good news.
  9. 3 points
    It depends on each individual person ... that's why in the Christian Congregation ... we are encouraged to develop a TRAINED conscience, depending on insight and rationality. The tattoos mentioned in the Bible refer to markings that would identify one as a member of a band of barbarians, soldiers, religious groups, clan, tribe, or cultural background. ... anything that would show fealty, association or legionship with elements of human or spiritual association CONTRARY to the principles and concepts of that approved by Jehovah God. It is embodied in the FIRST of the Ten Commandmenta ... which in principle covers the entire subject of tattoos. You have to use some common sense ... which in perusing and perusing a religious agenda ... is NOT all that common. Under the Christian "rules", we no longer have to sacrifice animals on an alter ... we can eat Bar-B-Que and pork chops, and a LARGE list of other things forbidden by COMMON SENSE to benefit mankind in its collective infancy years when thinking about societal safeguards was almost completely unknown, collectively. There is a difference between knowing a "rule" or regulation .. and knowing or NOT knowing the mind of God, and WHY he decided to restrict this, that or the other thing. Now, since Jesus has expounded on the underlying PRINCIPLES of the Law ... we should slowly, more and more each day, understand WHY Jehovah wants, or wanted ... or even CARED about what we do, or used to do. That's why we HAVE a conscience. I think tattoos are ugly, and inappropriate, and don't have any, although I am sometimes fascinated by "possibilities", and I am curious and ask about other people's INK when I see them. They usually appreciate the interest. They think it looks good, and it certainly attracts attention. Sometimes people are so terribly starved for human attention that they will do all kinds of stuff to try and get some .... necessary to many people as food, water and air is. The uglier a person is, the probability is that they NEED permanent makeup. Or some really serious plastic surgery.
  10. 2 points
    "The best sign of truth is simplicity and clarity, the lie is always intricate, tawdry and eloquent." - Tolstoy "The lie does not kill with the mallet, but it runs through blood vessels like poison, slowly and cautiously, so it does not even notice how it works" - Ivan Cankar
  11. 2 points
    Just another example of people bowing and scraping and acqiescing to my every whim. It gets so old.
  12. 2 points
    Billy: I agree with all you said above ... BUT... We should all be united in what is true, what is honorable, what is fair, what is equitable, what is righteous, what is good, and what is wholesome. BEING UNITED just to have peace involves a THOUSAND compromises ... and is a slippery slope that slides to error, intellectually dishonesty, self delusion, theocratic hallucinations, the abandonment of JUSTICE, and dishonors both ourselves ... which intellectual integrity is where someone always has to start ... AND the Brotherhood ... and most importantly, Jehovah God. It all starts ... here on the dirt, where the rubber meets the road ... is the determination, without compromise ... to achieve intellectual integrity . FIRST You cannot have TRUTH ... without intellectual integrity. OTHERWISE ... we may be the finest "Brother Watchtower" that walks the Earth ... but we will be intellectually dishonest ... like a plague, that takes a 30 year incubation period for the consequences to show up. You cannot have TRUTH ... without intellectual integrity.
  13. 2 points
    I believe there is a misunderstanding. I’m not asking you to choose, but giving you the choice as Christ proclaimed it. Therefore, that criteria of attempting to pull anyone from the dark side, would amount to the weight placed on God’s word. 1 Corinthians 1:10 New International Version (NIV) A Church Divided Over Leaders 10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. Ephesians 4:11-13 New International Version (NIV) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. Christ words are not empty. We are the ones that make it so. Therefore, how can an ambassador of good will, that doesn’t walk in harmony with Christ, 1 Peter 2:21 be able to call him/her a part of spiritual Israel. 1 John 2:3-6 it goes against the teaching of a humble servant that we are all but have forgotten about Jesus that above all, held his faith with the utmost obedience. Once again, where does that leave 1 Thessalonians which is clear as day and night? Therefore, it’s, not about leaving someone hanging, it’s about how God enlightens our heart. 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 New International Version (NIV) God’s Wisdom Revealed by the Spirit 6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written Titus 1:6-9 English Standard Version (ESV) 6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. 7 For an overseer,as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, 8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. 9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. Can someone claim to be one of the anointed, while not meeting the standards of Christian ethics? Can someone endorse a person, seeming to preach as the anointed without fulfilling the conditions set forth as a Christian? Food for thought. Meantime, I’ll move on to another thread.
  14. 2 points
    Job 14:4 King James Version (KJV) 4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. .......perhaps only God can do this? Question is, would He using for such task; some of JW, some of Waking JW, some of ex-JW, some of Elders? .... and so on. Dear JW Insider, to set good example and shining - with good, proper, kind, truthful and loving deeds and words are necessary in all and every thing in our life. But would that be enough, would that be possible in Environment of JW Society and their Culture how to deal with Different even Opposite? Perhaps spirit of God can give such strength to some individual to Stay and to Survive in Such State, in such Organization. But...?! Recall Elijah 1 Kings 19. Israel people want to kill him because of his shinning. Is it different in "Spiritual Israel" today? Some JW made suicide, some was cut off socially/spiritually from other JW by Elders Judicial Judgement and suffer. Not me, i not suffer, because i decided to left. I suffer in other ways :))
  15. 2 points
    My throat got dry on the trail the other day so I stopped in at the saloon for a brew. I grabbed my mug, threaded my way through the floozies after telling the barkeep to keep those drinks coming, and settled in for some serious contemplation of the vicissitudes of life. ”Join us for some poker, pardner?” came a friendly voice from the next table. A Chilean flag flew over that table on some days, but not others. Why not indulge him? I took the chair offered and the dealer shot out the cards. The friendly stranger took a quick peak at his then put them face down on the table. Presently, looking sly as could be, he picked his cards up again and slowly fanned them face side out, and I was surprised to see that he had a full house. I heard some tittering from the floozies, and I weighed his hand against mine with an inward smile. I would hand this gringo his head on a platter. My conscience started to beat me. This was going to be too easy, like taking candy from a baby, and I don’t cotton to beating up on babies. “Say stranger,” I said. “Did you know that you are doing it all backwards?” ”Don’t worry,” he replied. “I know what I’m doing. The public has a right to know.” ”Maybe some good will come out of it,” he spoke up again. “The name’s @JW Insider, by the way. Pleased to meet you. Maybe we’ll have the pleasure to meet again someday ,” he said chattily as I raked in every dollar he had laid down. How’s that for admiring him, @BillyTheKid46? Out here on the trail everything is relative. “Admirin’s got nothing to do with it.”
  16. 2 points
    Your entire response here and in one or two earlier posts in this thread appear to be exactly what I would expect to hear from an anointed person. I believe you speak out in the hope that readers will reject the falsehoods and accept truths in their place. Which is fine. Perhaps you also want all readers to reject the entire association with the JW Organization, as you think it has gotten so far off track. This is where I think you are being impractical. On the first count, obviously we should reject all falsehoods and accept truths to the best of our ability. On the second part, what do you think would be wrong with continuing to associate with the same brotherhood from which has sprung so many truly anointed persons? And then, if one considers himself to be anointed, continuing to bear righteous spiritual fruit (love, joy, peace, etc) that will have a positive and upbuilding effect on others. I don't consider myself anointed, of course, but this (above) is also the same thing I believe I would try to do if I were. If you believe the GB are creating a "dark place" for other anointed persons, why not be that light in a dark place, as far as it depends upon you? Perhaps you personally are in a situation where you have been kicked out of the synagogue for calling the leaders blind, and it seems nearly impossible or unfruitful to go back. But if other anointed persons decided to merely set a good example of "shining as illuminators" among the same brotherhood in which they were called, do you think it would be wrong for them to remain in the state they were called? Since we were effectively called as slaves into a certain "household of faith" I think 1 Cor 7:19-24 gives a thought that might be related: (1 Cor 7:19-24) Circumcision means nothing, and uncircumcision means nothing; what means something is the observing of God’s commandments. 20 In whatever state each one was called, let him remain in it. 21 Were you called when a slave? Do not let it concern you; but if you can become free, then seize the opportunity. 22 For anyone who was called in the Lord when a slave is the Lord’s freedman; likewise anyone who was called when a freeman is a slave of Christ. 23 You were bought with a price; stop becoming slaves of men. 24 In whatever state each one was called, brothers, let him remain in it before God.
  17. 2 points
    Exactly Exactly. When Billy is hot, he’s hot. It is not unlike the situation described at Acts 21:20 “and they said to him: “You behold, brother, how many thousands of believers there are among the Jews; and they are all zealous for the Law. But they have heard it rumored about you that you have been teaching all the Jews among the nations an apostasy from Moses, telling them neither to circumcise their children nor to walk in the [solemn] customs. What, then, is to be done about it? In any case they are going to hear you have arrived. Therefore do this which we tell you: We have four men with a vow upon themselves. Take these men along and cleanse yourself ceremonially with them and take care of their expenses, that they may have their heads shaved. And so everybody will know that there is nothing to the rumors they were told about you, but that you are walking orderly, you yourself also keeping the Law.” The governing arrangement back then assumed authority to do such things, even telling Paul to act differently from what he would otherwise do, so as to counteract hurtful reports and reassure others. They were not to be second-guessed in such decisions. They “girded themselves as men” and directed a course of action that easily could have been criticized by ones having inadequate knowledge of the culture and circumstances. In fact, on theancientworldnewsmedia.com back then, they did take a lot of heat for it.
  18. 2 points
    Right. So they are effectively being told what to do, (in order to show the government it's a matter of conscience for the congregation) therefor where does the matter of conscience come into this? It's another one of those paradoxes! Actually it's more like a contradiction.
  19. 2 points
    In some ways, I am impressed that it's a step in the right direction. Allowing for some differences on conscience matters is still better than saying everything must be done a specific way because that's the only way a Bible-trained conscience should allow for. The brother is probably 75 to 80, so I didn't press him, but he was the one who used the terms "strongly encouraged" and "strongly discouraged." It's true that it implies that no one was told they must do it this way or that way, but it also implies that "loaded" or "leading" language would be used. We all know that this produces the implied idea: "I'm not telling you what to do, but you you know what you need to do . . . 'wink, wink,' . . . 'nod, nod.' "
  20. 2 points
    If this fact, then the WT really needs to revisit the definition of conscience!
  21. 2 points
    Actually that is not true. One of the brothers in my mum's congregation has a full beard and is an elder and WT conductor. Then there is another brother, a ministerial servant with a goatiee. He does the microphones. I would post a picture of them but can't because of privacy reasons. Also I have a number of friends in England who have short beards. Now it's coming to the USA as well. There are brothers in some congregations who have beards. So far no privileges, but they go out in field service. 10 years ago you would have not seen that here (USA). I guess it's because of this Sept 2016 WT : 17 What about the propriety of brothers wearing a beard? The Mosaic Law required men to wear a beard. However, Christians are not under the Mosaic Law, nor are they obliged to observe it. (Lev. 19:27; 21:5; Gal. 3:24, 25) In some cultures, a neatly trimmed beard may be acceptable and respectable, and it may not detract at all from the Kingdom message. In fact, some appointed brothers have beards. Even so, some brothers might decide not to wear a beard. (1 Cor. 8:9, 13; 10:32) In other cultures or localities, beards are not the custom and are not considered acceptable for Christian ministers. In fact, having one may hinder a brother from bringing glory to God by his dress and grooming and his being irreprehensible.—Rom. 15:1-3; 1 Tim. 3:2, 7. After that WT our CO at the time said that he is expecting some beards soon. And he was right. Saluting the Flag was raised to a highly doctrinal matter. The flag itself is not the problem. Its just an emblem, or identifier of a country. Just like money is not the problem, it's the love of money. True. But with some things it is not possible. Sometimes patience is the way to go. Not the elders I know! But yes, there can be some that are not very good. But I have only met about 3 in my life time. Things always get sorted out in the end though. Yes, the whistlers are good sometimes.
  22. 2 points
    I'm not completely sure what this thread is even about. Offhand, it seems like an attempt by the hypercritical people to get the picayune and the righteous-overmuch people going. We all know what Jehovah's Witnesses believe. So whatever is seen is Chili either squares with it or it doesn't. If it does, then there will be some trickery involved to get people all incensed over it. It may be fraud by photoshop or trespasser sabotage. Or there may be something circumstantial or cultural that we know nothing about.. If it doesn't. then it will be corrected, now or later. It always is. Once I came after you with the charge that you had an agenda and you responded with: 'Of course, I have an agenda.' I said to myself: 'The old pork chop is right. He does has one. So do I. So does everyone.' Stay here any length of time and it becomes clear who the players are and what are their agendas. They range in shades of from off-white to downright black. Thus everything anyone offers ought to be seen in this light, and the posts of some ought to be 90% dismissed on this basis alone. The ideal is what C.T. Russell stated, that he would accept a truth even if it was from the Devil himself. But the reality is, how would you know it is the truth? Far more likely is it that he is just lying like he always does, using abundant tricks of the trade to make you think he is telling you the truth. The tools for lying are legion today, far more than in Russell's time, what with photoshopping and all. Even without photoshopping , we all know the reality of information selectively given without context or in manufactured context in hopes that people will come to false conclusions, so that @JW Insider finally has to say: 'I'll go down there myself and shake the truth out of those bad brothers (if bad brothers they be).' Obviously that is something few brothers can do, not just on account of resources, nor even on account of time, but on account of best use of time. And if we get so worked up about reports from those whose agendas are manifestly cockeyed, if not downright foul, in these days of photoshop, what on earth will we do in the days of 'deep fakes', a day that is rapidly dawning? If anyone doesn't know the term, a casual Google search will reveal that it is the manipulation of video evidence, so that any head can be attached to any body and be made to say anything the poster wants? Are you going to lose you're cookies, then, when a GB member appears in the nude to recommend that we all start showing a little sympathy for the Devil? Because you know it is coming. (My own prophesy, by the way, is that deep fakes will instantly be turned upon children, as technological advances usually are, for the sake of ratcheting up the bullying that they are already taking their own lives over. Since generating those deep fakes is only possible with an abundance of still photos to feed into generators, any source of those abundant photos is going to be sued off the planet. It will not be enough for social media sites to say that what they did was perfectly legal at the time and was agreed to by their users. Laws will be reinterpreted to say that they have violated them. You think lawsuits today have gotten out of hand?) So you have to go by someone's manifest agenda. In this regard, @BillyTheKid46's comments are among the most appropriate, even if he is prickly is his presentation. Witness the modern sanctification of the term 'whistleblower'. Whistleblowers are useful, of course, but they are more useful in blowing the cover off an evil organization. Almost all of the self-styled 'whistleblowers' here think that Jehovah's organization is evil. If you are one, like me, who doesn't think that, then you discount their comments on that basis alone. People's veracity should be judged by always keeping in mind their overall agenda. It is like a WT article that dealt with those occasional Bible accounts that are downright strange and even paint God in a bad light. 'All we see is a little snippet,' it said. 'What do you do with a close friend who has had your back and earned your trust over time and you know him through and through, but then you hear a bad report about him? Do you say: "YEAH! I knew it! He is a rat!" ? Unfortunately, it is a crazy age we live in in which loyalty is seen as the mark of a chump, and there are many people who are that way. It is like when I pointed out that the Geoffrey Jackson on Twitter was not the real Geoffrey Jackson and @Witness took a breather from bludgeoning everyone with irrelevant scriptures to say 'How do you know that it is not him?' It has his picture, doesn't it? 'He' even said'pray for our brothers in Russia. Duh. You know it is not him because she says that it is. Presently it was revealed that he didn't give a hoot in hell for 'our brothers is Russia.' - kill them all as far as he is concerned. It was all a ruse so as to capture the attention of naïve brothers and redirect it to unflattering reports elsewhere.
  23. 2 points
    Since you have libeled me, please indulge a little in-kind response, at least in tone. I was in the Congo, years ago, and at the Branch Office on the Aveneuda des Eleephants the Brothers would get a letter from anywhere in Zaire, as it was then called, in any one of perhaps 50 different languages, the offical national language being French, and the Branch Office reply staff primarily English. I was there, I slept there, and mowed the lawn, and packed boxes while waiting for a flight back to the United States.. They had many little black Brothers who spoke several languages, and sometimes a letter was translated five times from the source language to the target language. The reply was composed, and it was translated back the OTHER way. If the original query was in Swahelli, Tshiluba, French or English, Spanish, Vietnamese, or what have you ... the reply was sent in the originating language. Nobody forced anyone Billy. If I replied to you here in Standard Klingon, your point there would have validity. IMNSHO, you points rarely have validity, on any level, because they are based on your agenda of defending the indefensible. Then why spend Elementary School, Middle School, High School, and College studying how do do grammer well, and express yourself clearly and unambiguously? There is a whole different level of skills needed to convey complex, nuanced ideas correctly. The results of YOUR philosophy is the apex of human communications would be " ... you want Fries, with that order?", and then give the wrong change. Billy, what you say is drivel, as it is based on agenda driven policy and misplaced loyalties. Your loyalty and concern is defending the indefensible, when you are plain, flat wrong. A PERFECT example of this is your quote ... " ... I would say 98.8% of the Watchtower stuff on the internet is fake. The remaining 1.2% is misrepresented or misinterpreted by people such as you, James, Witness, and many others that are fake members or members in name only" A perfect defense for my accusation will be you to tell us, HOW DID YOU GET THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS? You are living in a fantasy world of your own construct, Billy. This means, that your OPINIONS are NOT based on fact, and your opinions are completely irrelevant.
  24. 2 points
    MANGER TOUS LES JOURS Nous n'arrêtons pas de manger simplement parce que nous avons mangé des milliers de repas dans le passé. Nous devons continuer à manger régulièrement pour rester en vie. De même, peu importe à quel point nous connaissons la Bible, nous avons besoin d'un apport continu et régulier de nourriture spirituelle. De cette façon, nous garderons notre foi bien nourrie et notre amour bien nourri.
  25. 2 points
    FONDATION Tout comme les fondations d'un bâtiment doivent être asséchées avant que la structure puisse être construite, tous les étudiants de la Bible doivent créer leurs propres fondements jusqu'à ce qu'ils se fixent avant de s'attaquer à certains devoirs chrétiens de base, tels que le baptême. Si la fondation n'est pas correctement établie, tout ce qui est construit sur cette base peut s'effondrer.
  26. 2 points
    A 32 year old Bethelite at Warwick, NY was walking along a sidewalk at Bethel, going to the cafeteria for the evening meal, and as he walked along, was in deep prayer to Jehovah God. He said, "Jehovah, you have promised to give me the desires of my heart. That's what I am asking you for right now. Please give me a confirmation that you will reward my faith and service to you.” Suddenly the sky clouded up over his head and God in a booming voice spoke to him. "I have searched your heart and determined it to be pure. The last time I granted someone the desires of his heart request .... it was to my servant Solomon.” “ He didn't disappoint me with his request for wisdom.” “ I think I can trust that you won't disappoint me either. Because you have been faithful to me in all ways, I will grant you the desires of your heart." The Brother sat and thought about it for a while and said, "I've always wanted to have a deep understanding of the Bible, and I have really tried, but I have forsaken a good education, and taken a vow of poverty and cannot afford a car or the classes I need to become an Engineer when my service here at Bethel is up …. could you help me afford a car, and a stipend so I can go to school, and learn to provide for myself and my future family as I get old?" The Lord laughed and said, "That's impossible! Think of the logistics of that! I would have to start creating again to make you a car, and money to use, and get you into a college without any background that would make sense for what you would be learning!” “ … Your request is very materialistic, a little disappointing. I could do it, but it's hard for me to justify your craving for worldly things. Take a little more time and think of another request …. a request you think would honor and glorify Me as well." The Brother thought about it for a long while and tried to think of a really good request. Finally, he said, “Oh God, please hear my request. I was Baptized when I was eight years old, and paid attention all my life, taking notes, reading the Bible, and meditation … but I just cannot understand the “Overlapping Generations” thing. I can’t see how Jesus or the Apostles or any disciples in the Early Church ever understood that, when Jesus was speaking. Can you help me to understand the “Overlapping Generations” Doctrine?” “I want to know what all the other Brothers and Sisters know, what they feel inside and what they're thinking ...I want to know how to be as truly happy as they are, knowing these deep things about You ....That's the wish that I want, Jehovah … my hearts desire." … after a few minutes, God said, "How about a Corvette and a full scholarship to Stanford University?"
  27. 2 points
    Found this letter to elders. Is it fake?
  28. 2 points
    I was having a discussion on here somewhere with someone, concerning the IICSA investigation into JW Org in the UK. I've just received this email from them so thought I'd put it up on here for people to look at. It doesn't copy and paste exactly as it looks on my email, but here it is anyway :- Our reference: IICSA-0013979 Dear Mr Butler Thank you for contacting the Inquiry on 3 February. As you may be aware, the Inquiry is investigating institutional failure to protect children from sexual abuse in the Anglican and Roman Catholic Churches. In June 2015 it issued a retention order covering documents of interest to the Inquiry to the leaders of 18 prominent religious organisations, including the Jehovah's Witnesses. The Inquiry has received correspondence from a considerable number of individuals raising concerns about child sexual abuse within Jehovah's Witnesses organisations. At present the Inquiry is committed to delivering its existing programme and is not currently launching any new investigations. However, as our work progresses, we will consider calls for a Jehovah's Witnesses specific investigation carefully. Any updates on our investigations, including scope and hearings can be found on our website at www.iicsa.org.uk/investigations Investigations The Inquiry has launched 13 investigations into a broad range of institutions identified on the basis of the Panel’s criteria for selection of investigations. The investigations will give a voice to victims and survivors of child sexual abuse, enable the Inquiry to understand how institutions have failed to protect children from sexual abuse and make practical recommendations to ensure better institutional protection for children in the future. www.iicsa.org.uk I am sorry for the delay in responding to you and I hope that you have found this information useful. If you have any questions regarding the contents of this email, please do not hesitate to contact the Inquiry again. Yours sincerely Jodie Yarborough Head of Correspondence & Engagement Team Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse
  29. 2 points
    No. But I gave them enough details in one message that it should have got some sort of response. They have my name and email address. They have the KH address. They have all the information I have.
  30. 2 points
    From the email I received. " In June 2015 it issued a retention order covering documents of interest to the Inquiry to the leaders of 18 prominent religious organisations, including the Jehovah's Witnesses. " 18 different religions, apart from all the government departments and other institutions. So give them a chance. It doesn't say that the JW Org is not worth investigating does it ? It's just not top priority. It is sad for the victims of JW Org sexual abuse here in the UK to have to wait longer, but I think the investigation will happen in time. As for me despising any religion well those are your words Tom not mine.
  31. 2 points
    I enlarged the photo, and compared the flag pole to the flag and pole projected shadows, onto the Kingdom Hall's wall. The photo MAY be a complete fake, but it is NOT probable, in my considered and educated opinion. The larger and higher flag in the picture (there are two) is definitely behind the fence at the sidewalk or curb, and it projects exactly correct at the right angle, and the shadow on the Kingdom Hall wall at the address numbers "2925" shown, is the right size and shape, and SPECULAR ALBEDO that it should be. WHAT IS TRUTH SHOULD BE THE AGENDA ... NOT what is the agenda.. Sometimes, we just have to bet our lives, on the best guess, according to how we see the Universe.
  32. 2 points
    Baptismal regeneration is just another of the pompous terms giiven by apostates to a distorted interpretation of scripture presented as a "doctrine". It is not a bilble teaching. Baptism is a necessary part of the action of anyone wishing to come into an approved relationship with Jehovah through his Son Jesus Christ of course. But it is an act that, whilst directed by Jesus Christ (Matt.28:19) and therefore essential, has a symbolic significance and does nothing in a physical way to the individual. Peter made that clear at 1Pet.3:21.
  33. 2 points
    I've explained this a while ago pertaining to the early church in relation to Scripture and the Didache, as well as such in regards to Salvation, I believe this was talked about to you several times. Even before them, before us, there were people of God who are of this church, the same one that Jesus has built, same teachings, same practices, etc. all intact. A Christian would not be concerning of preaching the gospel if they believe that only they themselves would be saved, otherwise that would be hypocritical, hence why Christians will preach the gospel to the people, and this is an example in which we see with what took place during and after Pentecost, perhaps even Jesus and the Samaritan woman as read in John 4. For someone such as yourself to claim you are anointed, yet water down Christ's Kingship and butcher God's order of things, you cannot be taken seriously. Not to mentioned, you be very, very aware of the connection between Christians and the church of the Christ, and those of whom who heed the word. Hypocritical, is all that can be said. But surely one among the Firstfruits should have seen that one coming. That being said, God is merciful and such mercy is extended to all persons, God knows who is and who is not for him. There are those out there who still needs to know what the gospel is, and clearly, so what are you doing to help such ones? The church itself is of the Christ, built by him. I advise you not to forget what that is, and what it means.
  34. 2 points
    In case you didn’t understand, witness. 3. The eschatological comfort that Jesus gives to his “little flock” of disciples in Luke 12:32 closes a section (12:22–31) that stands in contrast to the foregoing (12:13–21). While the rich are called to readiness and are exhorted to give alms as a precaution against the temptation of riches, Jesus tells the poor (the congregation) that they should not worry, for God will care for them. Luke 12:32. Exegesis mē phobou, to mikron poimnion ‘do not be afraid, you little flock’. The article to points to a vocative (Hebraism, cp. Bl-D, § 147). to mikron poimnion takes up tous mathētas in v. 22, as an indication of the persons addressed. poimnion (‡) ‘flock’, figurative for a small group. hoti eudokēsen ho patēr humōn ‘for your father has resolved’. ho patēr humōn takes up humōn ho patēr of v. 30. eudokeō (cp. on 3.22) means here ‘to resolve’, ‘to choose’. dounai humin tēn basileian ‘to give you the kingdom’, i.e. to grant you participation in the divine rule, cp. 22:29–30. Translation Little flock. The vocative is sometimes to be marked as such by an exclamatory particle, or by ‘you’. Elsewhere the phrase cannot be used as a vocative; hence e.g. ‘though you are a little flock’. Where the term for flock (for which see 2.8) cannot be used figuratively of people one can say, ‘little group’, ‘small band’, ‘men few in number’ (South Toradja), preferably seeking a term that suggests a fellowship of persons following a leader. It is your Father’s good pleasure, i.e. ‘your Father has resolved/chosen, or, has considered good’ (Sranan, lit. ‘found for good’). To give you the kingdom, or, if syntactic shifts are required, ‘to allow you to reign where he reigns’, ‘to make you kings/rulers/chiefs as he is’. You seem to indicate, the “little flock” is somehow running independently throughout the world without a structured point of origin. How does that resolve what Jesus did to the crowd, and how does that type of thinking make you a person anointed by oil. Both indications are inclusive. Therefore, the 144,000 will reign in heaven with Christ, as scripture indicates and the rest will enjoy living in this world, as indicated in scripture. Of deepest importance is the final consolation, to dismiss all care and anxiety, since the Father was pleased to give to this ‘little flock’ the Kingdom. The expression ‘flock’ carries US back to the language which Jesus had held ere parting from Jerusalem. Henceforth this designation would mark His people. Even its occurrence fixes this Discourse as not a repetition of that which St. Matthew had formerly reported, but as spoken after the Jerusalem visit. “ The same mistake, modern Jews make, when they believe the Torah speaks of an earthly Jerusalem for its future descendants.
  35. 2 points
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  36. 2 points
    Good to see, there are some willing to go the extra mile to investigate such silly matters. I went one step further. I had a friend investigate this issue while he was in Chile. He found no evidence of it. Now, you can say, a flag is raised for a particular day. However, a pole hole was not observed on the lawn or an empty pole. I had a friend run forensics on the video and photos, superimposed images were dictated. Photoshop it’s all the rage.
  37. 2 points
    Pinpointing the first single day of the crash ends up giving an incomplete picture of the larger problem. By the end of October 1929 about 25 percent of the value of the market was gone. By 1933 about 80 percent of the peak 1929 market was gone. Ironically, it was when Roosevelt (FDR) turned to some Marxist ideas from "socialism" that the economy began improving again after 1933. Even more ironically, the big secret of capitalism relies on the largest capitalists continually taking of more and more of other people's money until they finally run out of it, and they cannot drain any more money from the system (mostly from workers). As historian Schlesinger says: According to historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. the most critical reasons for this economic collapse can be summarized as: 1) Management’s disposition to maintain prices and inflate profits while holding down wages and raw material prices meant that workers and farmers were denied the benefits of increases in their own productivity. The consequence was the relative decline of mass purchasing power. As goods flowed out of the expanding capital plant in ever greater quantities, there was proportionately less and less cash in the hands of buyers to carry the goods off the market. The pattern of income distribution, in short, was incapable of long maintaining prosperity. 2) Seven years of fixed capital investment at high rates had “overbuilt” productive capacity (in terms of existing capacity to consume) and had thus saturated the economy. The slackening of the automotive and building industries was symptomatic. The existing rate of capital formation could not be sustained without different governmental policies – policies aimed not at helping those who had money to accumulate more but at transferring money from those who were letting it stagnate in savings to those who would spend it. 3) The sucking off into profits and dividends of the gains of technology meant the tendency to use excess money for speculation, transforming the Stock Exchange from a securities market into a gaming-house. . . . Source: Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr. The Crisis of the Old Order, The Age of Roosevelt 1919-1933: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1957, pp. 159-160.
  38. 2 points
    The 'Black Thursday' stock market crash was the worst crash in U.S. history & heralded the beginning of the Great Depression. On October 24th 1929, the market lost 11% of its value.
  39. 2 points
    Not likely, they would have put one of those inuksuk thingys there!
  40. 2 points
    You may have photos, but you don't know who put the flag there...do you? Makes me think the same group that took the pictures perhaps....?
  41. 2 points
    I don't know anything other than what was in the news several years ago ... that on a particular national holiday, Chile requires Churches to display the National Flag for that day on their building or flag poles ... and the Elders put one inside the building, showing through the windows, and put one on a flag pole (what's a Kingdom Hall doing with a flag pole ...anyway..?), to avoid paying a fine, somewhere around $240. I have several photos on my hard drive somewhere, from several angles. That's all I know.
  42. 2 points
    "Permanent makeup is a cosmetic technique which employs tattoos as a means of producing designs that resemble makeup, such as eyelining and other permanent enhancing colors to the skin of the face, lips, and eyelids." (Wikipedia). Those who wish to indulge in such, if they are Jehovah's Witnesses, would first be asking: " Is it against Jehovah's expressed permission?" The answer to that is no, as the contextual posting from @James Thomas Rook Jr. makes clear. They would then consider, does it harmonise with Bible principles such as those underpinning 1Tim.2:9-10; Ph.1:10; 2Cor.6:3 and 1John 2:16 ? There might also be some practical considerations such as: the cost; the skill of the technician; the aesthetics; the impression given to others; the ease of reversal; the effects of aging This picture seems to offer no cause for controversy: This picture, however, does give cause for concern..... along with these.
  43. 2 points
    That’s exactly what it means. I told you, I don’t believe in the trinity, both in silence and out loud. You’re not making sense, Allen. What are you, an interrogating lawyer for the "Society"? The only reason I am answering you is for the benefit of any other JW who may be reading this. There is no union of the saints, who are the Body of Christ, in the organization. The Watchtower makes sure that they remain apart. It is discouraged that the Body of “living stones” of God’s Temple, do not study the Bible together. 1 Pet 2:5,9 What a hypocritical doctrine. There is a union of the saints/anointed ones outside of the organization, who have been “killed” by your organization for turning to Christ. Rev 12:14 And am I silent? Isa 58:1; Rev 11:1-3 Is the GB aware of the interests of its anointed “brothers" or just their own interests? Matt 24:48-51 Up until just recently, who was considered the “faithful and discreet slave”? Who is it now? Who is doing the isolating? How is that so? What have I continually said about the Temple of God, with Christ as the chief cornerstone, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets? The members of the anointed Body of Christ are the “church”. First of all, when you say “Society”, I am guessing you mean the Watchtower. Are you believing there were no anointed ones after the death of the apostles and up until 100 years ago? You believe not one Christian anointed one walked the earth for 2,000 years? That no believer in Christ was present during that time? The Society didn’t “inherit” 3,000 anointed ones, they fell into Satan’s end time deception to be “sifted” by his greatest magnum opus since deceiving Eve. Luke 22:31; 2 Thess 2:9-12 ; Jer 5:26; Ps 140:5 Tell me, how will the anointed ones be conquered in the time of the end. They are not safe in “Jehovah’s organization” as taught, because they face a severe test at the hands of a “false prophet”. Ezek 13:10-12; Matt 7:15; 24:24; 1 Thess 5:3 Can you explain this - Rev 13:5-7,11 Who are these 1.6 billion Christians? Those outside the organization? Now you are including outsiders when before you said, the first Christians were inherited by the Society one hundred years ago? Or, is this number the entire amount of JWs over the years? Through Holy Spirit, you have heard of it, haven’t you? Zech 4:6-14; Rev 11:3,4 A rejection of Christ? Or, do you mean a rejection of the GB? Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, forsalvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:21-24 The spiritual dwelling place of God is within the anointed heart. 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16 On their heart is written God’s laws. Heb 8:10 The early ark of the covenant symbolized the presence of God and housed the laws given to Moses. Under the New Covenant, God’s anointed priesthood are like that ark. Rev 11:19 Each one is to carry truth, the truth from Christ. John 17:17 When the early temple was built, the ark was placed in the “inner court” of the temple specifying God’s presence in that temple. Jesus said, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” “But he was speaking of the temple of his Body”. John 2:19-21 Every anointed priest is part of the temple as “living stones”, and they ARE the temple, according to 1 Cor 3:16,17. Eph 2:20-22 During the last days, a conquering force comes upon them using deceitful lies. Rev 13:7; 20:9,10 Those who reject the lies are “killed”. Rev 13:15; Matt 16:25; 19:29 Instead of buying spiritual food from a false prophet, these "stones" “buy gold” from Jesus Christ. Rev 3:18 And by breaking free of this spiritual captivity of deception, (Rev 13:10) they are the “victorious ones”, riding with Christ in the battle of truth against lies. Rev 15:2; 19:11,19,20 Uninspired men are unable to provide pure teachings from Christ, because they no longer carry God’s spirit in their heart. Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; 18:4-8
  44. 2 points
    @BillyTheKid46 Which proves my point for these past view years. Bystanders will succumb to vigilante justice and will go about violence of people, even the abusers themselves. Such actions is looked down upon for those who are truly fighting against child abuse without bloodying the water. Aside from that, these same people who do not out to go about combating child abuse are promoting child abuse indirectly, saying an institution is a hive, a paradise, or open to pedophilia, they are only giving word to ear to abusers to go to those institutions, and it plays into corrupt justice whereas those who people cry to in regards to child abuse are some how in it themselves; the whole double standard thing.
  45. 2 points
  46. 2 points
    TTH was in LlOYD's HOUSE. The "homeowner" sets the rules about what speech is permitted. That is also true at the Kingdom Hall, and at my house. It is also true with The Librarian, and admin, here.
  47. 1 point
    What you have here is very similar to what I was about to show, but of course, I picked slightly different reference points on the flag for reasons that I thought were reasonable, but don't think would be worth the trouble to explain. The pole and flag still seem nearly perfect to me (using the points I chose). Doesn't mean much, since we should be looking for a preponderance of evidence as JTR calls it, not just a couple items here and there. But I admit that I had not seen all the supposed evidence when I questioned HQ. I presented it as if it was just a couple possible examples both in 2016 and earlier this year. That reminds me, that on the additional view of another Hall at 2789 Mexico Ave, shown above with an EMPTY flagpole, I find it interesting that Google Street View took the picture just a few months before it became marked as a Kingdom Hall. Note that there was no flagpole in the June 2014 photo from Google, but there is one per an ex-JW (I presume) who took a picture in September 2014. This would mean that either the picture was altered, or the brothers at the Hall had installed the flagpole as a part of opening up the KH. I see no evidence that the photo was altered, especially as it was just one of several pictures of various degrees of quality. But this would have been an easy one to alter, if someone wanted to. But then, why create a slightly off kilter flagpole. BTW, Chile has their own street mapping application, and they have recently added street view, but not with this address completed.
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  48. 1 point
    Again with this Allen The only reason I will answer an uneducated biblical mind is to show the errors that a single mind has to think, Jesus was referring to the “oneness” to be absolute. What makes no sense witness, is your inspired ideology that for one, dissolve the family unit, it would dissolve the idea and purpose God commanded that a child leave their mother and father, take a wife to become one. You dissolve the reason why Jesus Gathered crowds to preach. Luke 19:10-11 That single-minded approach is NOT what scripture is about. Therefore, the mistake you made with society, it wasn’t intended to mean the Watchtower, but SOCIETY as in HUMANITY in general. That’s what your delusional mind has framed you to be. An audience of one. Make sense man! Colossians 3:1 Especially with the text submitted with 1 Pet 2:5,9 1 Peter 2:5-9 English Standard Version (ESV) 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For it stands in Scripture: “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.” 7 So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” 8 and “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do. 9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. What part do you see that you believe stands with what you are preaching? The good thing you’re off the flag nonsense now.
  49. 1 point
    No, no entrapment involved. Does that mean you don’t physically attend a church? Does it mean, if you believe in a trinity, it would have to be out loud in order to make it a symbol of veneration? Where is Christ’s commandment to seek those with the same interest to form a bond of unity? How can a person be in a union and be part of Christ body from afar? Acts 18:9 New International Version (NIV) 9 One night the Lord spoke to Paul in a vision: “Do not be afraid; keep on speaking, do not be silent. Philippians 2:4 Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Galatians 4:17 7Those people are zealous for you, but not in a good way. Instead, they want to isolate you from us, so that you will be zealous for them. Keep in mind, you are stating Jesus was wrong to develop the first Christian Church, with your understanding. Jesus was wrong in anointing the 12 apostles. Jesus was wrong in anointing the 70 to continue his public ministry. Society was wrong to inherit the 3000 first Christians. Was all this done in silence? Did these people not belong to the body of Christ? Did they not advertise out loud? Did Jesus mandate, we should preach in name only? That means there are 1.6 billion Christians that are wrong by your single standard. Where does that lead to obeying God and have faith in him, when you reject all others? Ephesians 4:11-13 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ. John 17:23 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. Ask yourself, how can it, be achieved with someone as yourself with others. Through telepathy? Doesn’t this imply a rejection of Christ? Remember, you have proudly stated you are NOT affiliated with any earthly church, and you don't believe in Trinity out loud.
  50. 1 point
    you don't get it, or you just don't like to admit you're wrong. Not inspired = not the mouthpiece.

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