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  1. 6 points
    Here is the Weekly Material for August 19-25 and August 26–September 1, 2019. TB Watchtower August 19-25, 2019.pdf Watchtower August 19-25, 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 19-25 , 2019 text only.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 19-25 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 19-25 , 2019.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 19-25 , 2019 text only.doc CBS August 19-25, 2019.pdf CBS August 19-25, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -August 19-25, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -August 19-25, 2019.pdf Additional Highlights -December 31, 2018–January 6, 2019.doc Additional Highlights -August 26–September 1, 2019.pdf CBS August 26–September 1, 2019.pdf CBS August 26–September 1, 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 26–September 1 , 2019.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 26–September 1 , 2019 text only.pdf MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 26–September 1 , 2019 text only.doc MEETING WORKBOOK week of August 26–September 1 , 2019.pdf Watchtower August 26, 2019–September 1, 2019.doc Watchtower August 26, 2019–September 1, 2019.pdf
  2. 3 points
    Perhaps to ex-witnesses as yourself. In this case, the above mentioned would agree with the false narrative you claim. If anything, by the Watchtower earlier calculations, 1975 brought the beginning of the 6th day of God. We are still in the 6th day of God. That hasn't changed. Does that mean, humanity has to wait 956 years for God to rest? No! The function of creative days doesn't fall under the same category, when looking at the millennial. Another thing, witnesses have not gotten right. To be honest 1975 marked the beginning of end times. Now we are in the path of the birth pangs. Keep in mind what scripture states. When you see these things, the time of the end is not just yet. We are in that point in time. The Watchtower doesn't need to continue to sound any prophecy after that point. It is meant to gather the most loyal to God that can see the process. Everyone that complains, gossips, and falsely entertains the notion the Watchtower is somehow wrong for giving a prophetic timeline for those that obey and stayed faithful to God, are only fooling themselves and have lost the right to that vision of God's insight.
  3. 3 points
    salomon

    SEEING IS BELIEVING

    SEEING IS BELIEVING Widespread expression, but this kind of thinking is actually quite short-sighted. Why is that? There are so many things that we cannot see and yet our lives revolve around them. For instance, we don’t see the air but it fills our lungs and it caresses our skin. We don’t see odors, but our nose picks them up. Nor we see sound waves, but our ears are sensitive to them. There’s a pretty good chance you have never seen your brain, and yet you are using it right now to parse this illustration! We don’t see God nor faith, but if our heart is sincere it will detect Him, befriend Him, and love Him.
  4. 3 points
    Juror Dan Stinnett, in his first interview about the case, explained how he and eight other Sanders County jurors found the Jehovah’s Witnesses governing organizations negligent and “guilty of malice” in the child sexual abuse of Alexis Nunez, awarding her $35 million. “I believe they were trying to cover up, yes. I have no doubt about that,” Stinnett said. When asked if he was trying to send a message with his jury vote, Stinnett responded, “Why, absolutely. We as jurors and as society really don’t condone … any of this.” The Nunez case is one of dozens tallied by the Hearst Television National Investigative Unit as part of a yearlong investigation that uncovered new allegations of child sexual abuse and decadeslong cover-ups inside the Jehovah’s Witnesses religious organization in the United States. The allegations span congregations, states and generations.
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  5. 3 points
    Thought you were married.
  6. 2 points
    salomon

    ROD OF MOSES

    ROD OF MOSES Exodus 4:2: In that verse, God asked Moses: “What is that in your hand?” Moses’ answer was: “A rod.” Jehovah used that rod as a symbol of the authority and the commission he gave to Moses. (Exodus 4:5) Moses did well when he used his authority for God’s glory, but he displeased God when he used it to glorify himself and to berate his brothers. (Numbers 20:9-13) This account illustrates how God’s servants should make wise use of the authority or gifts God provides. We should not use them to assert authority over others, but, rather, to bring praise and honor to Jehovah.
  7. 2 points
    I am witness to some elders comments about 1975. That what i was heard was between 1977 and 1980. In short, they have explanation why nothing had happened in 1975. Because time gap between creation of Adam and Eve is The Answer :)))) So, obviously they waiting for Armageddon in 1975 :))
  8. 2 points
    salomon

    OUR RICH FATHER

    OUR RICH FATHER If we have a rich father, billionaire, and he asks you to request a day off to spend time with him, will you be afraid to ask for it, even to lose our job? No, because you have your father's backing. He has lots of the money so we won't lack anything if we please him. We can say for sure that no one is wealthier than our heavenly Father, Jehovah. If we need to ask time off from work to attend meetings or conventions and our boss says ‘No’ and threatens to fire us, we should not get overly anxious because we have a rich father that has promised to take care of us! Question is: Do we really believe that? That's why we need to keep a strong relationship with Jehovah. Going back to the illustration, if we had an argument with our rich father or we don’t have a good relationship with him, we won't have the confidence that he will support us if we need it. The same with God.
  9. 2 points
    More complicated stuff! I presume you are trying to make a case for the need to speed up action in the case of Child Abuse crimes??? If that is the case, then it is a worthy cause, regardless of context. And one I agree with wholeheartedly, across the board. However, I don't think I could really comment on your hypothetical generalities unfortunately. Specific cases from a host of backgrounds where they have been brought to light in a legal context, appear to have been commented on extensively in the public domain by those qualified to do so. Where there are genuine reasons for criticising the handling of such cases and these have been dealt with, then presumably these instances have then been handled as appropriately as possible by the correct authorities? Any exposure of mishandling in specific cases then serves to inform all parties presumably. Quite how you have managed to morph a discussion on baptism questions into one on handling of Child Abuse allegations would be an interesting study in itself, but not one I have the inclination to unravel at this point of time. Anyway, if the topic manages to get back on track and any further points meriting discussion appear, I will be back. But for now, excuse me if I turn to other areas of interest.
  10. 2 points
    salomon

    NOT A WASTE OF LIFE

    NOT A WASTE OF LIFE When the widow dropped the two coins of little value, Jesus didn't say: stop don't do that! This temple is going to be destroyed soon, that's a waste! A comment like that would have been technically correct. And it would have been practical because she was giving everything she had. Why didn't he say that? Because the widow's motive was to give wholeheartedly to Jehovah. And Jehovah accepted that. This illustrates a vital truth. Many of our brothers and sisters have dedicated their lives to God with the hope of seeing the end coming during their lifetime. In the early 20th century some thought millions living at that time would never taste death at all. But the end didn't come. They passed away, so did all those people they preached to. Our understanding of the truth has been refined through the years. Does that mean these friends wasted their lives believing and entertaining false expectations? Absolutely not! Why? Because they just wanted to serve Jehovah wholeheartedly, and He accepted their sacrifices as sacred service. They stored treasures in heaven. And their witness had a purpose: they praised God's name and worked out their own salvation. (Philippians 2:12)
  11. 2 points
    Foreigner

    Do not trust .....WHO?

    The very second he rebelled against God; he became a damaged angelic being. I believe, scripture stipulates how Satan tempted Jesus to become imperfect as Adam if he bowed down to Satan's will. Did Jesus lose his perfection? No! I believe scripture also states, Satan will be destroyed at the end. One can compare the word "destroyed" to mean death, just like Adam meet his death by imperfection. That goes for the angels who followed Satan. Therefore, this is a non-argument.
  12. 2 points
    BillyTheKid46

    Do not trust .....WHO?

    Only if you don't understand the message and misrepresent it just like any other ex-witness. You have to do better Srecko. There are intelligent people out there that can see even in a cloud of smoke. 😁
  13. 2 points
    Matthew9969

    Do not trust .....WHO?

    Does Jesus entrust perfect truth/food, or imperfect truth?
  14. 2 points
    It is EVIL that lurks in the darkness, hiding its dirty deeds. Righteousness, which results from the light of Christ, has no reason to hide anything. If an entire entity is bent on covering evil acts, righteousness would not exist within it. Evil wears two faces; one is authentic darkness, one is a fabrication of light and righteousness. 2 Cor 11:3,4,13-15 Luke 8:17; 2 Cor 6:14; Acts 26:18; Eph 5:8
  15. 2 points
    I do not have any parking spaces at my house for Hillary's broom.
  16. 2 points
    One of my sons, a lawyer, who also teaches and tutors, actually tried to make a timeline for this death using all the initial reports and adjustments ("corrections") to those initial reports. There is an amazing amount of misinformation that gets put out these days on anything, especially due to the "wealth" of information and misinformation available, along with versions of information that get screenshots made while still in flux. Times for the initial cell event ranged from 3:30 to 6:30 and 7:30, with the first publicized official news report not being put out until nearly 8:30, and many early reports got some interesting adjustments throughout the day. 4chan evidently had one or two claims that were timestamped prior to the official news reports, so that these would have to have come from someone in the prison, inmate, guard, first emergency medical team, etc. One reported a military person in the vehicle that picked Epstein up. There is room for a thousand conspiracies here. This is so true. Even Trump reportedly kicked him out of Maro a Lago for being a pedophile. And Trump distanced himself from Epstein's pedophile lifestyle even while running around with him in his group of "nightlife musketeers" in the 80's and 90's, as someone called Trump and Epstein, before this last expose broke. Although Trump does laugh it off at the time as if not taking the criminal implications seriously enough. But this was true of so many, in spite of real evidence that's been put out there for many years now. Then there are the crazier sounding conspiracies of genetic experimentation, etc., that even the NYT reported on. I know a lot of people think first of Trump and/or the Clinton's. But there are state governors, and high level politicians, on his list. Woody Alan, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew. (And I saw Kevin Spacey murder to avoid political scandal on an HBO series, and even though that was just TV -- it was TV that many Washington politicians admitted that they just "loved.") Although Trump could just have been protecting himself, he definitely drew a distinction between the types/ages of women he liked as opposed to Epstein. Clinton's first move in this last phase of the scandal was to lie about how many times he was on the plane. Also, I looked at the passenger manifests signed by the pilot of Epstein's Boeing 727 "Lolita Express." Trump is only there once, I saw Clinton's name there at least a dozen times just on the first skim. I also saw names of famous lawyer and law professor Alan Dershowitz, model Naomi Campbell, etc., and the names of dozens of very rich men. What was disconcerting too, was that there was never an unnamed male, and all famous males and females are named (hundreds of "GM" for Ms. Maxwell) -- but there are dozens of entries like "+ 3 [unnamed] females," "+ "2 females" etc. Another of the persons involved was the man that Trump put in charge of Trump University. Trump's business manager at Maro a Lago is reported to have warned Trump about a meeting there where Trump told him to prepare the place for a private party with lots and lots of VIP's, and then he found out it would only be Trump, Epstein, and 26 "calendar girls" if I remember the number right. The business manager was surprised that the only VIP's were Trump and Epstein and he says he warned Trump that this wouldn't look right. I've barely touched the surface here. There are dozens of angles on this, and the case is going to be ripe for more conspiracies.
  17. 2 points
    That is the problem with interpretation of the constitution. While, the “bill of rights” have a definitive language the constitution was set to where no infringement could be possible to the constitution itself. When Madison and the founding fathers were framing the constitution they took into account, state rights to a militia. When the federalist and anti-federalist were making that argument, to an extent, they were arguing about undisciplined militia that the continental army had to contend with when fighting the British. Who had the power to organize that militia? Who had the power to train that militia? Back in the day. Anyone could have a weapon on their home that was of age to support the state. That age started at 16 or 15 with the parents’ permission. That governance, practically included all households in the 13 colonies. Looking at it with a modern view, which would apply to all households in the U.S. by its territorial expansion. What isn’t taken into account by those that don’t really understand the U.S. constitution is the word “militia”. It was not just meant as an action for WAR, but also to curve STATE insurrections. Oddly enough. The argument also included propositions on who could have a long rifle verses pistols and swords. Therefore, State representatives arguing the Madison and Ellsworth proposal wanted the State to retain that power. That’s what was happening in 1787 in the convention in Philadelphia. How to consolidate the Federal and State laws to everyone’s satisfaction. Now the federal Militia Act of 1792 did make a distention, on how-to provide “discipline” to the self-armed populace. Not to take or give arms. Under those conditions of the constitution, not just the bill of rights, gives any householder the right to bear arms. AS, A SELF-ARMED POPULACE. They only way to remove that clause, is to REWRITE THE CONSTITUTION.
  18. 2 points
    BillyTheKid46

    Do not trust .....WHO?

    This is one complete failure in your part. The Watchtower instructs their members to trust in God that the spiritual food given does conform to scripture. Therefore, people reading irrational comments on apostate sites should consider the deception given by ex-witnesses.
  19. 2 points
    Why? Give me one good reason why one would NOT report it? I disagree. The law does not state that clergy is NOT allowed to report. That being said, if they report, they are not breaking the law. This is partially true, the clergy privilege is when something is confessed one on one, not in the group setting as in a judicial meeting. How would anyone else in the cong know if it was only confessed to the elders? They wouldn't, unless they were part of it This is why a private reproof is BS! again, you are thinking along the lines that secular authorities need to correct the wt, they will, just wait and see. Why is it that in the elders handbook that vandalism is reported immediately but child abuse is not? Does that seem right to you? I know it doesn't and that you don't think that way, but the wt does.
  20. 1 point
    Maybe 1975 was overlapping with 2075
  21. 1 point
    That's why 1975 became a sign for the prospect of the 6000 years as the Watchtower publications have asserted all along. That doesn't mean to intelligent witnesses that we are waiting for the Sabbath, the day of God rest to intervene with Armageddon. God is NOT recreating the heavens and the earth, they are already here. He is placing judgement upon it. You and ?Winsider really need to understand scripture before you start posting nonsense.
  22. 1 point
    "Millions now living will never die!" (WT publications: 1918-1925) "If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things." (WT publication: Awake! 5/22/1969) These two prophecies are nearly equivalent, and were both made for very similar reasons, although under different circumstances.
  23. 1 point
    Because…birds of a feather flock together. Here is a handful of Russell's "signals": "In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that the date will be the farthest limit of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove; Firstly, that at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, Thy Kingdom come, will obtain full, universal control, and that it will then be set up, or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions." (The Time Is At Hand, 1888, p. 76, 77) "Remember that the forty years' Jewish Harvest ended October A.D. 69, and was followed by the complete overthrow of that nation; and that likewise the forty years of the Gospel age harvest will end October, 1914, and that likewise the overthrow of 'Christendom,' so-called, must be expected to immediately follow." (1889 Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 245) "Complete destruction of the 'powers that be' of 'this present evil worlds - political, financial, ecclesiastical - about the close of the Time of the Gentiles; October A.D. 1914." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, IV, p. 622, 1897) "Be not surprised, then, when in subsequent chapters we present proofs that the setting up of the Kingdom of God is already begun, that it is pointed out in prophecy as due to begin the exercise of power in A.D. 1878, and that the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty (Rev. 16:14) which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced. The gathering of the armies is plainly visible from the standpoint of God's word." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, The Time Is At Hand, 1889 Ed., p. 101. The 1915 Edition of this texts changed "A.D. 1914" to read 'A.D. 1915') "In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." (The Time Is At Hand, 1902 edition, p. 99) "When Uranus and Jupiter meet in the humane sign of Aquarius in 1914, the long-promised era will have made a fair start in the work of setting man free to work out his own salvation, and will insure the ultimate realization of dreams and ideals of all poets and sages in history." (Watchtower, May 1, 1903, p. 130-131; p3184 Reprints) You would compare the pope's vision of 1975 as a "new birth", to give credence to Watchtower's validation of 1975. Incredible. Yes, birds of a feather flock together. Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. Matt 12:38,39 Then Jesus said to him, “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you will by no means believe.” John 4:48 Matt 13:10-17 "The Sign of the Son of Man" - 4womaninthewilderness blogspot
  24. 1 point
    This "Concept" is not fixed, not fixed even from Bible aspect. For in Your sight a thousand years are but a day that passes, or a watch of the night. - Psalm 90. From this Bible based "Concept" 1000 years is as 4 hours not 24 hours or 1 full day (Jew Concept, 12 hours of day light and 12 hours of night). This would mean how One Day is 6000 years. And not 7000 years as in some Calculations WT Society explained (as time was passed Length of "Creation Day" had various calculation - 1000 years, 7000 years and as "Contemporary Light of Today" explained, that is: Unknown Period of Time) Well, basically, if we want to take in consideration all this changes in JW Organization on Doctrines about Time and Periods, you based your "Concept" on WT Society "Concept", ..... and this is untrustworthy.
  25. 1 point
    When words are not twisted. You are correct. It continues to be a ludicrous and humiliating way ex-witnesses as yourself continue to stoke false allegations. The fiasco ex-witnesses perpetrated and escalated by misrepresenting of watchtower literature. You would think by now you people would be wiser to continue a false claim that the Watchtower claimed 1975 to be the end of the world. If Pastor Russell didn't signal that for 1914, then why would the Watchtower signal it for 1975. Fred Franz was by and large a better theologian than anyone in the Watchtower put together at that time. Those that he taught, come with sound understanding about a prophetic time line. The irony, even John Paul ll mentioned 1975 to be a "new birth". Something some of us used to compare how right the Watchtower was for that in 1975. Not a new birth, but the birth of pangs.
  26. 1 point
    Indeed, and how I wish all JWs could see its message. 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, ‘Hear the word of the Lord!’ ” Therefore thus says the Lord God: “Because you have spoken nonsense and envisioned lies, therefore I am indeed against you,” says the Lord God.” “Because with lies you have made the heart of the righteous sad, whom I have not made sad; and you have strengthened the hands of the wicked, so that he does not turn from his wicked way to save his life. 23 Therefore you shall no longer envision futility nor practice divination; for I will deliver My people out of your hand, and you shall know that I am the Lord.” ’ ” Ezek 13:4,8,22,23 Rev 18:4-8
  27. 1 point
    We are all presumably looking forward to it, but if we are participating in service activities or increasing our service activity because of a belief that it will happen in a specific century, then we are also serving with a date in mind. Back to this point again for a minute. This is similar to saying: It doesn't matter that we were teaching a falsehood, at least a lot of these little ones were stumbled. Do we really thing that God wanted to test us with false doctrines? 13 When under trial,+ let no one say: “I am being tried by God.” For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.
  28. 1 point
    Arauna

    CONFUCIUS

    When Jesus gave us an example of his love by giving us his life - we became obligated in the same way - to love others more than our own life. If everyone does this willingly on the entire earth ..... just think how the world will change! Social studies 101 for the new system!
  29. 1 point
    salomon

    CONFUCIUS

    CONFUCIUS Chinese teacher Confucius once said: "What you do not want to be done to you, do not do to others." Many still believe a person has done his moral duty simply by refraining from doing any harm to others. Although this Confucian code of conduct has its merits, the Bible goes a step further by addressing a more profound dimension of human behavior and interaction. Rather than just instructing Christians not to do bad to others, Jesus Christ took it to the next level teaching that all things that you want men to do to you, you also must likewise do to them.—Matthew 7:12. Which of the two would you say come from a superior source of wisdom?
  30. 1 point
      Hello guest!
    Awake 1969, May 22, pages 14,15 (302 and 303/768) Author of article, under authorization of Top Spiritual Leadership, "prophesied" how world will end in next few years. Now and today you @BillyTheKid46 made claim how GB will never again do the same mistake? :))) And we doing good if we believe you? :))
  31. 1 point
    In the 'run-up" to 1975 I WAS THERE, AND PAYING ATTENTION, and thought everyone had gone nuts. I drew cartoons on the inside covers of my Society's books ridiculing the idea ... and in that approximate ten year period, from Richmond, Virginia, to Hollywood California, to Kinshasa, Zaire, where I lived and worked ... THE STORY WAS ALL THE SAME. I was in the Congo in 1974 and it got so intense that I reasoned (incorrectly) "How could I be right, and EVERYBODY else be wrong ?", so in a spasm of intellectual cowardice, I caved in to the peer pressure, and quit the best job I ever had, full of adventure and excitement, to return to Virginia to be with my parents, WHEN THE END CAME. Don't give me any crap about "it didn't happen". 1975 is what didn't happen. And it generated literally TONs of money for the Society to keep that fear going at an accelerated pace for a decade before 1975. that is why this issue will never die ... until after the people like myself who WERE THERE, are silenced by the grave.
  32. 1 point
    This is quite the can of worms. I thought you were a big proponent of 1914. Although I totally agree with you that “birth pains” leading to the coming Kingdom of God are happening now (but not based on 1975 – Matt 24:3; Rev 3:3), either Watchtower’s prophetic timeline is wrong, or you are wrong according to their prophetic timeline. 1925: “Birth of the Nation”—made plain the prophecies showing that God’s Kingdom was born in 1914 w/87/3/1 The evidence already considered proves that A.D. 1914 God’s kingdom was born and his Son was enthroned with authority to rule with an iron rod amid his foes. ka chap. 11 pp. 183-211 According to your organization, the birth pains have come and gone. But, scripture doesn't tell us of two birthings, so they get around this by translating Matt 24:8 by saying "pangs of distress". And the end times? Apparently that also began in 1914: “The conclusion of the system of things” began in 1914. During the war that broke out that year, the few thousand anointed Christians, “the sons of the Kingdom,” were in spiritual captivity to Babylon the Great. In 1919, Jehovah delivered them, making a clear distinction between them and “the weeds,” or imitation Christians. He gathered “the sons of the Kingdom” into an organized people, in fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy: “Will a land be brought to birth in one day? Or will a nation be born all at once? Yet, as soon as Zion went into labor, she gave birth to her sons.” (Isa. 66:8) Zion, Jehovah’s organization of spirit beings, brought forth her spirit-anointed sons and organized them into a nation. w14 11/15 p. 25-26 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. Matt 24:4-8 Yes, the New Covenant woman/promise is experiencing “birth pains”. Rev 12:2; Gal 4:26 This promise of life brings forth the woman’s “seed” - God’s Kingdom heirs. Rev 12:5; 2:26,27 The Kingdom arrives once the appropriate number of faithful priests are sealed. Eph 1:10; Rev 12:10,11;7:4 “Watch out that no one deceives you”. Satan is behind the deceit that he places before the Kingdom’s potential heirs, causing their complacency and inattentiveness to Christ's arrival. Rev 11:1,2 The “birth pains” of Matt 24 have nothing to do with politics or the world, (Eph 6:12) but has everything to do with the heirs’ ability to recognize Satan’s deception (2 Thess 2:3,4,9-12) and crush his accusations made against them. Luke 22:31; Matt 24:21,22; Luke 21:36 It isn't the activity found in Satan's world that gives birth to the Kingdom. Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." John 18:36
  33. 1 point
    Witness

    SEEING IS BELIEVING

    True miracles can happen in the daily life of a devout Christian. There is no record kept by those who served Christ and the Father faithfully over the last 2,000 years to say they never saw a "miracle". These are an individual's "powerful signs" personally received. Acts 2:17
  34. 1 point
    I think that these last two posts of yours are informative and thought provoking. I can't say whether I completely agree with your conclusions because I can't figure out your actual position on some of the material you included. But I thought the input was useful at any rate. I agree that even us non-experts, like you and me and others, are not qualified as experts, nor are any of us completely qualified under the directions of scripture. But I don't think that should stop you or me or others from wanting to stick our two cents in. A discussion forum means any of us should be able to stick in our two cents because a discussion forum is exactly where those opinions belong. You don't have to be an expert, and I'm sure that like me, you aren't, and yet your opinion should matter.
  35. 1 point
    How about that. The little nasty vixen that talked trash about the Watchtower in JWN. This world is small.
  36. 1 point
    What can be said about 1975 that hasn’t been said about 1975? The “fact” people keep misrepresenting what happened about 1975 in a sense that was made clear by the watchtower publication was the objective to a clear narrative about the 6000 years that ?Winsider, Anna, comfortmypeople, outta here keep insisting there was some conspiracy or subliminal message, continues to shoulder a false narrative destructive people want to heighten. Agreeing with ex-witnesses just to bring up a non-issue should tell people how people here want to keep a misrepresentation of the Watchtower alive. Therefore, the word “HONESTY” should be applied to the ones that want to continue to corrupt their minds with wishful thinking. If you weren’t there to personally experience what was going on, Get off it!
  37. 1 point
    How easy it is for ignorant people to just jump in and say, when it comes to pedophilia, yes I agree wholeheartedly and the process should be handled quicker. Hang them high! That insane approach is by not understanding the psychology of how the “government” has to deal with such accusations. It’s NOT one size fits all that the government doesn’t understand, but the interpretation of an individual’s right to a fair and impartial trial, an approach the government has to endure. Therefore, it’s not only the victim the government takes into account but the accused. In the United States, that standard is drawn by professionals of psychology. Specify if: Sexually attracted to males Sexually attracted to females Sexually attracted to both Specify if: Limited to incest Diagnostic Features The diagnostic criteria for pedophilic disorder are intended to apply both to individuals who freely disclose this paraphilia and to individuals who deny any sexual attraction to prepubertal children (generally age 13 years or younger), despite substantial objective evidence to the contrary. Examples of disclosing this paraphilia include candidly acknowledging an intense sexual interest in children and indicating that sexual interest in children is greater than or equal to sexual interest in physically mature individuals. If individuals also complain that their sexual attractions or preferences for children are causing psychosocial difficulties, they may be diagnosed with pedophilic disorder. However, if they report an absence of feelings of guilt, shame, or anxiety about these impulses and are not functionally limited by their paraphilic impulses (according to self-report, objective assessment, or both), and their self-reported and legally recorded histories indicate that they have never acted on their impulses, then these individuals have a pedophilic sexual orientation but not pedophilic disorder. Risk and Prognostic Factors Temperamental. There appears to be an interaction between pedophilia and antisociality, such that males with both traits are more likely to act out sexually with children. Thus, antisocial personality disorder may be considered a risk factor for pedophilic disorder in males with pedophilia. Environmental. Adult males with pedophilia often report that they were sexually abused as children. It is unclear, however, whether this correlation reflects a causal influence of childhood sexual abuse on adult pedophilia. Genetic and physiological. Since pedophilia is a necessary condition for pedophilic disorder, any factor that increases the probability of pedophilia also increases the risk of pedophilic disorder. There is some evidence that neurodevelopmental perturbation in utero increases the probability of development of a pedophilic orientation. Gender-Related Diagnostic Issues Psychophysiological laboratory measures of sexual interest, which are sometimes useful in diagnosing pedophilic disorder in males, are not necessarily useful in diagnosing this disorder in females, even when an identical procedure (e.g., viewing time) or analogous procedures (e.g., penile plethysmography and vaginal photoplethysmography) are available. A true witness should not and would not indulge in any kind of activism that can result in the wrong representation of the Watchtower due to the lack of knowledge that individual brings to the argument. By far, no one here is qualified to administer judgement on a physiological level much less with crimes and punishment. Yet, there are critics of the government approach. I can remember back in the 70s when people wanted to combine homosexuality to pedophilia. “Some psychiatric leaders who were instrumental in removing homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association’s list of mental disorders in 1973 have been fighting to remove pedophilia as a disorder as well, not to justify the abuse of children but rather to say that being sexually attracted to children is not a mental disorder.” Michael L. Brown author of A Queer Thing Happened to America The first chapter of this book alluded to how the psychiatric field utilized its latest edition of the DSM “bible” to attempt to normalize raping children, initially calling pedophilia a sexual orientation following the footsteps forged by homosexuality as a onetime deviant mental disorder turned sexual orientation morphed into the widely accepted normative sexual choice that it enjoys today. As early as 1998, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) made its objective explicitly clear, maintaining that the negative impact of child sex abuse when adults have sex with children was “overstated” and that: The vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from their child sexual experiences. Therefore, to those witnesses wanting to stick their two cents where it doesn’t belong, get off it! You’re neither qualified as an expert nor qualified under the directions of scripture. For ex-witnesses trying to change the argument now, the Watchtower hide those accounts when the BOE letters state otherwise, learn to understand humanity starting with you first before thinking your opinion matters.
  38. 1 point
    Outta Here

    OUR RICH FATHER

    They were " in the right place but it must have been the wrong time" Malcolm John Rebennack Jr. As for the billionaire illustration, we are not suggesting that Jehovah pays us to go to assemblies are we?
  39. 1 point
    You just spoiled it! Did that spiritual cell keep you incarcerated? You are here in defiance of the Watchtower. You are here in defiance of scripture. I believe your jailer is not the Watchtower, but Satan, that holds you mentally blind and captive in that hypothetical cell of yours. 🤔
  40. 1 point
    There is a report of someone dear to me, an MS, being similarly threatened by a—I don’t even think that he is a brother, but he attends some meetings. The MS was worried about it, relating to me: “I hope that he does not come after me in the restrooms, because if he does, I will take him down” and he called the different elders as to what he should do. One laughed, as though it were a contest that he would love to see. The COBE got back to him presently, to say that he need not worry if he felt it necessary to “take care of his business.”
  41. 1 point
    Of COURSE I would defend you TTH. That's what I do. THEN, I would chew you out for being unarmed, and not doing it for yourself!
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    GOOD MORNING TWYLA THANK YOU.
  44. 1 point
    Perhaps some JW members will be strengthen by this to reconsider their position and participation in Organization.
  45. 1 point
    I guess to stupid people as yourself, I would have to consider writing things in some other language in order to be understood. Once again, your idiocy in grammar is such an idiotic way to prove you as ignorant and unintelligent. Retire as a half-idiot, not a blathering one.
  46. 1 point
    Of course they are, but their meaning (dare I say...) overlaps. The key to understanding is to consider against who the crime or sin is committed. The word sin is traditionally viewed by those of the soulical world as relating to the violating of God's laws or standards, whereas the word crime is understood by many of that same designation as referencing a violation of the requirements or laws of the secular state. Really, in the spiritual world there is no difference between a crime and a sin as any violation of God's laws or principles constitues a crime or sin. To sin is a criminal act. But we have no problem in speaking the language of the world if that is what they understand.
  47. 1 point
    There is a LOT of information that is not being conveyed to the public. I was quite busy with reading into all this even some documents that had been released. Hid death was oddly convenient, but the problem is, this angers people like me and the truther community, for now there would be no answer for his crimes, and the names we want, most of them, will be unknown, promptly it lets those in connection to him off the hook. Ms. Maxwell, Epstein's partner, is nowhere to be found, as it has already been meme'd and joked that she left planet earth. Epstein was about 6ft tall and it was said he hung himself off a bunk bed, with knees to the floor, however, this would be deemed impossible for the bed-sheets were as thin as paper and could not hold someone of his height and size, which was claimed, more so, before his apparent death, one of the inmates that was jailed with him had been removed. Screaming was also heard from Epstein's room, and it is now said, someone who is hanging himself, how was he able to scream. There was also a delay on the autopsy of his body, and the person who is said to have discovered his body was none other than Mark Epstein (whose wealth is also a mystery), the brother of the late wealthy convicted pedophile. Also there is talk about Naomi Campbell whereas Epstein's sex slave (Virginia Roberts Giuffre) was seen at a Birthday Party, perhaps the only underage girl there at the time as some are saying, and there is a picture: That being said, I was reading unsealed Epstein Docs before the claim of "Camera's Malfunctioning" was coined:
      Hello guest!
    That being said, still looking into this myself due to the fact everyone is all over this now, and ironically no one batted an eye years ago regarding this person.
  48. 1 point
    Dear brothers Who can help me download the Korea 2019 regional convention video? I really need it. Please help me. Thanks. I’m Chinese alice_deream@naver.com Thankyou very mach LinkEdit
  49. 1 point
    I love to see this, but at the same I think about the future of people who work doing this, will they lose their jobs?
  50. 1 point
    I believe you. I personally know a few who did similar things. There is no doubt about it that 1975 got blown up out of all proportions. That is why those who knew their Bible, and put that as precedent over what anybody else said (including the president of the society at the time) call it trusting your own instincts if you like, didn't get burned. But I understand that it must have been very difficult if the majority saw it differently than you. Moral of the story? Trust the Bible and no man. Lesson learned. We've got to move on. I wouldn't be so sure about that.




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