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I also endured Detention in Military prison for 14 months Srecko - I don't regret the experience because I also learned a lot about myself and about others while in prison. But we found out later that brothers are allowed to take alternative service now ......"New Light" . This is an organization that enjoys having people being persecuted because it "markets" their goals ~

It's not a rubber stamping excercise you know [Exercise / Maybe you meant Exorcise?] Well it is when the 3-man tribunal meets and decides your everlasting fate ! S-77 + Blue Envelope So very officious !

Persecution and harassment of Religious groups is NOT confined exclusively to Jehovah's Witnesses. http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2275 Police fined four Baptists for leading Easter worship meetings in Temirtau and Taraz. Council of Churches Baptists speak of a "new wave" of raids. An Almaty court fined a Protestant church and banned all its activity for three months, and ordered a foreigner deported. Police raided at least two Baptist meetings for worship on Easter Sunday, 16 April, in the central city of Temirtau and the southern city of Taraz. Officers issued four summary fines totalling about nine months' average wages with no court hearings. Such fines for meeting for worship are increasing, Baptists complained to Forum 18. In a separate case, a court in the southern city of Almaty has banned a Protestant church from meeting for three months (from 13 April to 12 July). The court also fined it for holding a meeting for worship in a place other than its registered address. An Indian citizen associated with the church is appealing against a fine and deportation order (see below). An official of Almaty's Religious Affairs Department, Karshyga Malik, told Forum 18 on 24 April that the administrative cases against the church and the Indian citizen were among 33 it had launched since the beginning of 2017. The cases were to punish those who meet without state permission, meet in places without state permission, distribute religious literature without state permission or talk to others of their faith without state permission. "New wave" of raids on Baptists Police raids on congregations of the Council of Churches Baptists are frequent. They choose to meet for worship without seeking state registration. So to borrow the words of member David Mahlangu* on this post: """All this new developments in Russia makes me see that we are actually in a true religion, remember what Jesus said in John 17:16" they are no part of the world,just as i m no part of the world", that is why they hate us. so brothers and sisters we have to remember that in one way or the other, all bible prophecies have to be fulfilled before Armagedon. John 15:20b says "if they have persecuted me,they will also persecute you".it is very painful but it has to happen. So brothers in Russia Jehovah is with you don't give up.""" -- There are other groups probably feeling exactly the same ! *SANIBONANI David Mahlangu - Ngithemba ukuthi uyaphila?

The MOAB was a costly exercise about nothing .....Trump playing with his Dinky-Toys like a little kid, It killed 30 + people and probably mobilized the minds of 1000's more pro-Islamists to take up their crazy cause. God Reveals His Purpose by the Fulfillment of Prophecy. Having had egg on their faces so many times in the past for trying to play prophet or predictors / preemptors of Bible events it would be good for such ones to Wait on Him.

Is current International Law the most sovereign body of law *? Are all the nations of the world in the Power of the Wicked one? What validates one set of laws over another ? Note that I am asking questions for simple non-contentious answers. * If in a future point in time International Law validates something which violates current international law what then ? Sometimes as Christians one may just have to suck up the "punishment" / "persecution" and rely on God/

Its sad that "the people" now so readily invent "end-times events" - Its really a practiced and entrenched mind-set - This is what happened with the 1975 debacle - Its is true that the Dubbery did not say the world would end then - but the proletariat with that entrenched thinking picked up on it, embellished it and rode with it to their chagrin. Of course the HQ did Nothing to play down the frenzy and let people run with it to their ruin ! [They gave up child-bearing, jobs, houses, pensions and life insurances] Once bitten ................................................

John Lindsay Barltrop ANSWER THE QUESTION STOP ATTACKING THE PERSON - A HIGHLY PRACTICED JW TRAIT !

John Lindsay Barltrop You are a conceited self -righteous pompous ass - with your perfected [over all the years ] judgemental ability - no doubt you are an Elder in your congo. "Jehovah and His people" = Prove it ......that you are part of Jehovah and His People ! Please note what Brother Geoffrey Jackson of the Governing Body / Faithful and Discreet Slave Class had to say at the Australian Royal Commission [under Oath]: Question: And do you see yourselves as Jehovah God’s spokespeople on earth? Answer: That I think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only spokesperson that God is using. The scriptures clearly show that someone can act in harmony with God’s spirit in giving comfort and help in the congregations, but if I could just clarify a little, going back to Matthew 24, clearly Jesus said that in the last days - there would be a slave, a group of persons who would have responsibility to care for the spiritual food. So in that respect, we view ourselves as trying to fulfill that role. (15937:37) [trying...note ! ] So according to Brother Jackson, the Governing Body is not the only spokesperson God is using today! He even said that the scriptures support this fact. This is a profound departure from the claim of exclusivity they have maintained for decades. Notice this reference: “That faithful slave is the channel through which Jesus is feeding his true followers in this time of the end. It is vital that we recognize the faithful slave. Our spiritual health and our relationship with God depend on this channel.” [July 15, 2013 Watchtower magazine, page 20, paragraph 2.] You get it ! Oh doyen of pomposity ?

How about applying the Law of Reason and the Law of Love ..........? " you have been badly hurt in body and mind .. you are angry and confused ....you no longer feel comfortable in being around people who did not defend you in your most desperate time of need and you loathe walking into the Hall ..with its vivid reminders of your abuse ...so you want to be out....that's ok ....we understand.. but we still love you and we are here for you......." Contrasted by: " you have chosen to disfellowship Jehovah's Organization ....how dare you......take her out to the city gate and stone her " You just don't understand LOVE at all some of you! Christ-like love! You have never comprehended the Lesson of the meeting with the woman at the well that Jesus had.

I have observed ...at length ......and often.....that not much activity takes place at the Trolley's. The Guardians of the Trolley are having a lot of discussion with one another. Some have brought refreshments - a good idea, but as to its overall efficacy? I am skeptical ! In all the times I observed the Trolley Dolley's NO ONE approached the trolleys. I find that frightening.

On the 10th of this month, the Australia Royal Commission held Case 54 which was a review of the responses of Jehovah’s Witnesses to the Commission’s findings. The representatives from the Australia branch swore on the Bible “to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth”. Did they comply with this solemn oath before God? You be the judge after watching this video:

The Point has been made - As to advocating the real solution...............this is precisely why there are so many victims .....because we have all been sitting on our hands .....waiting for Jehovah's day of intervention and doing nothing to address the Present Day tangible problem within the Org. That is why we are working for a "worldly" NGO dealing with this issue + other related horrors - Yes there are "worldly ...soon to be destroyed at Armageddon" people out there who are WORKING to assist victims...See ! Action People - Tackling the problems ASSISTING the victims - Not striving to portray an image of "Squeaky Cleanness" when it actually does not exist- and doing squat to attend to the ones that Jehovah and Christ truly love - And give the lady a G [Good] for Repetition for Emphasis Friday 10th March the follow up on the ARC in Australia commences - It will be broadcast live. Maybe we will all be surprised by the Organizations response ! We hope .... FINIS

AbigailSenseful The ARC Report IS NOT GENERALISATION ! ITS FACT - GET THAT INTO YOUR THICK SKULL ! """Even if these allegations are true, who are you to sit in judgment as if you yourself is clean, perfect, and undefiled?""" Lawdy you are switched off ! The GB of the JW movement sits in judgement of its flock all the time - even to the point of Disfellowshipping victims of child abuse. You have judge me - How do you know what my relationship with Jehovah is at this time? You don't ! So don't judge me. And as to "looking for flaws" - SORRY - I have no need to Look! The reports are hitting us in the face these days - its all over the media - [ oh of course the Media is making this all up - Satan's hand in matters .........blah blah fishpaste ! ] Ann - o - M ......the suffering caused to victims of child abuse is NOT A FUN TOPIC - I will use any form of activism to denounce the JW stance on this and any forum I can access to "put it out there" You have only to hear the harrowing testimony of Octogenarian victims of the British Abuse Cases perpetrated against vulnerable children who we shipped off to Australia [currently underway in the UK] to realize the damage that this causes. This forum is used by people who would rather we saw the JW dot Org as this squeaky clean ever so righteous organization that would never harm anyone - "spiritual paradise" WELL ITS NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL. Now READ THE REPORT and then YOU will be able to judge it and not try to lecture me first !

The issue at the heart of Pedophilia within the WTBTS is about THE LACK OF RESPONSE on the part of the LEADERSHIP . Not about how many pedos's there are / were ! Its about the lack of action Its about the lack of protection and help afforded the victims. Pedos will abound and so too dsysfunctional families What is the WTBTS going to do to remedy ITS policies on the matter ? The links I posted are merely attempting to emphasize this - WTBTS has not done anything worthwhile to address the issue - that's the disgusting part about this ! Those links are not my sole possession - they are in the public domain. The ARC is not attempting to Publicize it world-wide. However the WTBTS WILL NOT make it Public now will they? Why not ?

TRUE TOM ............................IF ONLY THOSE LINKS WERE "DIRT" THAT I WAS DIGGING UP! HAVE YOU READ THE INFO CONTAINED IN THE LINK [Below] TOM? [110 pgs] ALAS THEY ARE THE ACTUAL DOCUMENTS OF THE "DIRT" THAT THE WTBTS HAS SMEARED ALL OVER ITS OWN "EVER SO HOLY" COUNTENANCE - I AM MERELY HIGHLIGHTING IT SO THAT THIS DISGUSTING TRUTH ABOUT THE MIS-HANDLING OF ABUSE WITHIN THE JEHOVAHS WITNESS MOVEMENT DOES NOT GET SWEPT UNDER THE CARPET ! http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/Report-of-Case-Study-No-29 COME OUT OF DENIAL TOM AND BE TRUE TO YOURSELF FOR ONCE !

JTR III - You are surely having me on re: the WT Cover/Article ? Its wonderfully tongue in cheek ?

It adds to the fact that WTBTS does not report abuse ! And it adds to a growing list of Abuse cases which is costing and going to cost WTBTS $$$$ of "dedicated" funds.

You say either and I say either You say neither and I say neither Either, either neither, neither Let's call the whole thing off You like potato and I like potahto You like tomato and I like tomahto Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto Let's call the whole thing off You say laughter and I say larfter You say after and I say arfter Laughter, larfter after arfter Let's call the whole thing off You like vanilla and I like vanella You saspiralla, and I saspirella Vanilla vanella chocolate strawberry Let's call the whole thing off I say father, and you say pater I saw mother and you say mater Pater, mater uncle, auntie let's call the whole thing off I like bananas and you like banahnahs I say havana and I get havahnah Bananas, banahnahs havana, havahnah Go your way, I'll go mine So if I go for scallops and you go for lobsters So all right no contest we'll order lobseter For we know we need each other so we Better call the calling off off Let's call the whole thing off Cross or Stake .....................................So what ! Did Jesus die ? Surely that's the important question ! So Lets call the whole thing .......Orff !

http://jwsurvey.org/child-abuse-2/breaking-news-watchtowers-defense-collapses-jehovahs-witnesses-reproved-for-failure-to-report-child-abuse-settlement-with-fessler-reached Summary of a portion of the Testimony by the WTBTS Internal Lawyer based in Patterson: On the afternoon of February 7th, 2017, plaintiff co-counsel Gregg Zeff called the first witness, Mr. Thomas Jefferson Jr. This was a significant moment in the first day of trial, only the second time in Watchtower’s history that its organization has faced a jury in a child abuse trial. And it did not go well. From the moment Thomas Jefferson took the stand on behalf of Watchtower and the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses (CCJW), there was an air of bedlam, confusion, and frustration. The jury of seven women and three men sat facing Jefferson in disbelief, as he struggled to answer questions – and the ones he did answer left the entire courtroom scratching their heads. Jefferson replied to questions from plaintiff’s attorneys with a defensively arrogant stance, speaking in a slow and deliberate manner, repetitively ending his answers with the word “counselor.” Attorney Gregg Zeff pounded Jefferson with question after question in an attempt to clarify the tangled web of corporations and committees which manage the affairs of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Jefferson admitted that he was a member of the CCJW, the US Branch Committee, and the Worldwide Order of Special Full-Time Servants of Jehovah’s Witnesses, but denied any involvement in the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York. When asked for the name of the president of Watchtower New York, he told the court “I don’t recall” despite admitting he was sent to represent CCJW and Watchtower. Jefferson spoke in circles and riddles when asked about leadership of the JW organization, refusing to answer the simple question “Who is in charge?” The day one exchange with Jefferson was so outrageous, Judge Mary C. Collins was seen restraining both anger and laughter at the same time. Mr. Zeff, in a moment of exasperation raised his voice to Jefferson and asked whether there were “human beings” in charge of this organization. Jefferson replied:- “Are you serious?” Gregg Zeff The questioning intensified when Mr. Zeff pressed Jefferson on the source of all of the letters sent to bodies of elders, asking him again whether any “human beings” actually wrote these letters, and if so-who are these persons. Jefferson once again dodged the question and stated that anonymous persons compose these letters, and that the persons involved may or may not be a part of the Watchtower or CCJW corporations. Attorney Zeff, visibly irritated by the intentional obfuscation, asked Jefferson whether the CCJW was responsible for ANYTHING; Jefferson responded by asking what he meant by “responsible.” Judge Collins was unable to restrain herself any longer and turned to the witness and demanded that he answer the question. Shaken and nervous, Jefferson told the court that he must take time to pause…and think. Following a lengthy silence, Zeff posed the question once again, to which Jefferson said “I imagine they have to.” Before changing his line of questioning, Zeff displayed the signature on an elder’s letter which read “Watchtower Bible and Tract Society,” forcing Jefferson to acknowledge the corporation responsible for the policies enforced by Jehovah’s Witnesses prior to the 2001 creation of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Zeff linked multiple Watchtower documents with policies which have restricted Witness elders from reporting child abuse to the proper authorities, making it clear which organization is responsible. Moments later, Thomas Jefferson unbelievably denied that Watchtower writes anything, stating that they only “publish” and distribute these letters, but have nothing to do with their production. (referring to all letters before 2001) Zeff questioned Jefferson on whether elders are sanctioned if they disobey the contents of these letters, which was followed by a song and dance from Jefferson and the indecisive and false statement that elders “may or may not” be censured for disobedience. When Jefferson mentioned that a Governing Body appointed Circuit Overseer may be involved in disqualifying an elder, Zeff did not miss the opportunity to ask whether the Jehovah’s Witness Governing Body are associated with Watchtower or the Christian Congregation. Jefferson’s response: NO. As if to say “I’m not done scrambling your brains just yet, jury” – Jefferson responds to the next seemingly simple question posed by Zeff, which was ‘should clergy report child abuse?’ After an objection from the Watchtower defense team, Jefferson states that he cannot answer the question because Jehovah’s Witness elders are not clergymen. This question set off a debate which lasted for two days. (more on that later) Attorney Zeff then followed a line of questioning forcing Jefferson to admit that elders investigate accusations of child abuse using their own judicial process. Jefferson further had to confess that Witness elders have no professional training in counseling, psychology or other relevant levels of expertise; yet amazingly he insisted that they did receive “training.” Zeff followed up by telling Jefferson that elders are in no way qualified to judge the genuineness or seriousness of an allegation of child abuse. Jefferson arrogantly replied: “incorrect” Zeff asked Jefferson whether he had any evidence from Watchtower publications to back that statement up. After a non-answer from junk-testimony Jefferson, Judge Collins stepped in and scolded Jefferson, telling him the question is “perfectly clear”. Zeff pressed the witness hard, asking him for his beliefs on this subject, to which Jefferson replied: “Are my beliefs on trial?” Again, Judge Collins rebuked Jefferson adamantly and warned him to refrain from making any such comments, advising him to just answer the question. Unbelievably, Jefferson responds by saying that Watchtower is a corporate entity and does not “believe” anything. Continuing his salvo of questions, Zeff asks Jefferson if he is aware that professionals exist in the field of child abuse detection and counseling, to which Jefferson reluctantly agrees. He then asks Jefferson if he is aware that the state of Pennsylvania wants those professionals involved whenever an accusation of child abuse occurs. Jefferson states that he was not aware of this, aside from when Judge Collins stated this to the jury at the outset of this trial. I remember thinking that Jefferson testified that he was in court on behalf of the legal department of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and to defend Watchtower and the CCJW – yet somehow after years of preparation for this trial, having been prepped by Watchtower’s extensive legal team, he is suddenly unaware that Pennsylvania has a mandatory law requiring the reporting of accusations of child abuse. Clearly the jury was not buying this. Attorney Zeff then puts Jefferson on the spot regarding the matter of elders reading all letters from Watchtower; Jefferson stated that reading all letters is not required, but that elders would be expected to read all direction on child abuse from Watchtower prior to beginning an investigation. He was then asked whether elders could be sanctioned or stripped of their positions if they failed to follow Watchtower’s counsel. Reluctantly, Jefferson admitted that this is “possible.” Zeff followed by asking “has this ever happened?” Jefferson’s reply: “I don’t know.” As anyone with any experience in the Jehovah’s Witness organization knows very well, if an elder fails to follow direction from headquarters, his position as elder will vanish instantly. Jefferson knows this very well. Nearing the end of the first day of trial, Zeff calls Jefferson’s attention to one of the most damaging pieces of evidence in this case, the July 1, 1989 letter to elders. This six page letter was stamped CONFIDENTIAL – and Watchtower meant it. This letter was so damaging to the defense, that when it was subpoenaed, Watchtower redacted nearly the entire document, with few exceptions. The plaintiff’s legal team only learned of the full contents of this letter by searching sources outside of Watchtower, and when the contents were revealed, this case was sealed. Zeff calls Jefferson’s attention to the purpose of this letter, as stated on page 2: He rephrased this paragraph by emphatically telling Jefferson that the real meaning is “Keep you mouth shut or you might get sued.” Jefferson disagreed, but the damage was done. The jury begins to understand the cloak of secrecy surrounding Watchtower. Protection of the organization and its assets has increasingly become the motivation behind the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ legal strategy, placing corporations ahead of the welfare of its own children. Day one ends in disaster for Watchtower, with final testimony from Jefferson looming on the horizon. LIES LIES AND MORE LIES ..............................................

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/Report-of-Case-Study-No-29 Summary of the Royal Commission Report re: Jehovah's Witnesses .......... """"We do not consider the Jehovah’s Witness organisation to be an organisation which responds adequately to child sexual abuse. We do not believe that children are adequately protected from the risk of sexual abuse for the following reasons: The organisation relies on outdated policies and practices to respond to allegations of child sexual abuse. Also, those policies and practices are not subject to ongoing and continuous review. The policies and practices are, by and large, wholly inappropriate and unsuitable for application in cases of child sexual abuse. The organisation’s retention and continued application of policies such as the two-witness rule in cases of child sexual abuse shows a serious lack of understanding of the nature of child sexual abuse. The organisation’s internal disciplinary system for addressing complaints of child sexual abuse is not child or survivor focused in that it is presided over by males and offers a survivor little or no choice about how their complaint is addressed. The sanctions available within the organisation’s internal disciplinary system are weak and leave perpetrators of child sexual abuse at large in the organisation and the community. In deciding the sanctions to impose and/or precautions to take in relation to a known or suspected perpetrator, the organisation has inadequate regard to the risk that that perpetrator might reoffend. This demonstrates a serious lack of understanding of the nature and impact of child sexual abuse. The organisation’s general practice of not reporting serious instances of child sexual abuse to police or authorities – in particular, where the complainant is a child – demonstrates a serious failure by the organisation to provide for the safety and protection of children in the organisation and in the community."""" Truly .....DECEPTIVE Children !

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/Report-of-Case-Study-No-29 THE FACTS SPEAK - THE WATCHTOWER MOVEMENT COVERS UP AND DOES NOT REPORT ABUSE TO AUTHORITIES !

Well here is a Fully Documented Report - without any interference by "mentally diseased" apostates - I am sure you will find this to be the True Facts in this case ! The WORST EVER !!!!!!!! http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/Report-of-Case-Study-No-29

"""""Nooooooooo. My momma said never to let a RCC priest or a Jehovah's Witness man touch me ever ! I mean look what is happening in Australia at the Royal Commission into Sexual Abuse within the Jehovah's Witness movement - 1006 perpetrators ....and not one of them was reported to the authorities ! ..................so put me down ! """" http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/Report-of-Case-Study-No-29 https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-settle-lawsuit-alleging-coverup-of-child-sex-abuse/ https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/feb/16/australian-catholic-church-has-paid-276m-to-abuse-victims-so-far-inquiry-shows