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    Nana Fofana reacted to Claudia Sanchez in The costliest mistake in history   
    Evidently God likes sparrows a lot.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to JW Insider in Jehovahs witnesses and higher education   
    Thanks. Of course, you should be careful to follow such a statement with "But . . . " at least for the sake of certain opposers.
    Anyway, agree completely with everything you said above. I don't believe that, in the United States, most college degrees are worth the outrageous expense. They definitely were worth it through most of the 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's if you were also an "educated consumer." There was a turning point in the 90's for some and in the 00's for most others, even before the financial crash became visible in '08. Starting in '08 it would be much easier to make a Peter Schiff style video. (That style of video can be made any time, of course, even when you want to fake a point, but you'd have to do a lot more editing to make it look like there was a consensus. Jay Leno could have proven that no college student knew that 2+2=4 merely by only including those who answered incorrectly, or with too long a pause, or were drunk, acting silly, nervous, etc.)
    Now there are still more jobs available to college graduates than non-graduates of course, and this is even more critical in an economic downturn. But that doesn't mean the degree was worth the expense. And it's stupid that you would need a degree to make coffee at Starbucks.
    The need to pay down a student loan does indeed make workers more controllable. That's a critical requirement of capitalists who wish to maximize profit even squeezing from those who believe they are well on the way to joining the "American Dream" someday. Student loans and car loans have been a big part of an abusive process to those who need them, but these problems are nowhere as big as the factors that fed 2008. Combined with the fact that the [banking&finance] criminals who abused taxpayers in 2008 are still fighting [bribing politicians] to be able to abuse with even less regulation now might though combine with student loans as a catalyst with these other problems to see a second wave [plunge] of recession/depression.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Kurt in REAL HISTORY - The Vatican, War and the French Revolution   
    History testifies that far from "giving us the bible" the Catholic church did everything in its power to see the holy scriptures were kept away from people and accessible in a dead language to a chosen few.
    The priceless Codex Sinaiticus was being used my monks to kindle fires and would no doubt have all gone up in flames had Tischendorf not saved them. So much for safekeeping the bible!
    Copies and translations that were made were more often than not DESPITE, not because of Church authorities and we only have the bible because honest men and women were willing to risk their lives and face the wrath of the church in order to keep it alive and get it into the hands of those that had a right to read it.
    Hunting translators like dogs and executing bible readers (including ordinary working men and women) like the vilest of criminals, no single organization on earth has put forth more effort to ensure the bible is read by as few people as humanly possible and just because Catholic authorities eventually bowed to the will of the masses and crumbled under the pressure of the printing press it does not make it the champion of biblical production. Far from it, if the dark ages hadn't given way to the likes of Tyndale, Wycliffe and other heros of history, there would be three copies of the holy scriptures in Greek or Latin locked in a Vatican safe somewhere and which a fire or some other misfortune would have eventually destroyed leaving mankind all the poorer but the Church more than content with a job well done.
    Catholics can spin and re-write history as much as they like but there are the graves of honest men and women all over Europe that testify to her "love" of the bible.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in Did Malachi Have Teenagers? - a Russian Thread   
    Oh, and the inside scoop on all ebook or print authors is that they positively grovel for online reviews.

    photo: Business Insider
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    Nana Fofana reacted to JW Insider in Did Malachi Have Teenagers? - a Russian Thread   
    I have read the Introduction and the First Chapter of Tom Harley's book Dear Mr. Putin – Jehovah’s Witnesses Write Russia. (At smashwords.com). I have only skimmed some of the remaining portions. Unfortunately, I'm called to another project/assignment and won't get back to reading it for quite a while, so I wanted to say something here while it is fresh in mind.
    I wanted to say that I really like the book. You, Tom, have been able to use a more serious tone but you were still true to your "natural" style, which is a great style for this subject, and for your other two books. I was very impressed with the fact that you tackled a subject as big as this without falling into the trap of Western superiority. On the other hand, moral superiority comes through, as it should, but without a self-righteous tone. You have even honestly admitted a few weaknesses of our organization without trying to sound as if you are somehow personally better or more insightful.
    You make a good representative and it's an excellent defense of Witnesses. Most importantly, it relentlessly highlights the absurdity of our situation in Russia. Highly recommended.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Raquel Segovia in A HA   
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Queen Esther in YOU TEACH A PARROT to say ~~~~~ "I LOVE JESUS"!! ~~~ But....   
    YOU  CAN  TEACH  A  PARROT  to  say,   *I  LOVE  JESUS* !!
    But  the  parrot  knows  nothing,  about  what  he  has  said,  or  what  it  means....                                                                    
    Don't  be  just  like  a  parrot....   The  world  is  full  of  parrots !
    BUT  THIS  YOU  CAN  TRY....      ( our  little  Ministry - helper..)

                                           ? .•*¨`*•..¸???¸.•*¨`*•. ?          
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Space Merchant in Why won't they announce the reason for disfellowshipping or disassociation?   
    Obviously not one of them. But in your other post as to how you stated your situation with the Jehovah's Witness church you went to falls in the verbal category whereas one can be excommunicated for spreading a doctrine that is not of the faith.
    An example would be is this: A man can go into a church and be a member of it, a convert for about a decade, but his views change based upon what he ahs read on the Old Testament, thus wanting to know why God did what he did and paint God as villian, and should this man speak of this matter to the pastor and or church staff, even if giving the right information he refuses, thus he is excommunicated.
    In your case with the JWs, you mentioned before about how you are somewhat removed from the church, and it is a known fact that for the JWs (Restorationist) is that if one speaks against the faith and the teachings, again, verbally, be it aggressive and or passive, there is grounds for excommunication. Examples would be, people will automatically assume John 1:1 (introduction to God) proves Jesus is God, or in this case, Jehovah. Being totally convinced, they will start to spread such inside the church and when they profess their so called newfound faith based on misconception of the verse, they will be excommunicated. The same thing applies for assuming if one person decides to interpret the bible for themselves and think it is correct over what the church teaches, again, grounds of excommunication, and such applies to what you had mentioned in a post you made a while back to which I offered you advise when you clearly showed you didn't know what to do or what to say, and I did everything in my power and understanding to provide advise - it is the same thread to where Witness attempted to use a typo against me, to which is utterly failed due to my comments being against the King James.
    That being said, you'd be surprise of how those who believe in the Trinity Doctrine, as well as Gnosticism, Oneness, and Modalism will attempt to use a single verse over and over against to attempt to attack Non-Triniarian, specifically JWs, as well as those influenced by such doctrine to try to shift the teachings of JWs from the inside.
    Mainstream Christians do not practice and or believe excommunication is necessary, thus saying it causes fear among members, there influence spreads to those who practice it, thus making the notion of members being fearful because they play into the hands of mainstreamers and New Age Christians. 
    In the end, following the bible strictly and trying to cherry pick and or change a rule and or law of those who are hard pressed in scripture will indeed get you excommunicated. Just remember that those who have pure strictness of scripture will effectively excommunicate you should you think what they are doing is not biblical, even worse for one if they speak against the faith, thus becoming an apostate.
    But it is ridiculous for some JW opponents though, for I had seen one speaking about placing his hands on someone's forehead to heal people, another who assumes Nicodemus was at the Passover/memorial and will go out of their way to say JWs are false, others will say that anyone who isn't a JW will be destroyed, when the information from the JWs themselves and what the bible says disproves this false claim or something like that, teachings like this does not sit well with the JWs and such falsehood can easily be spread to the inside and the ban hammer of excommunication will follow suit.
    From my experience though, we had a man who was claiming that Jesus was for homosexuality, the man was not just excommunicated, for he was obviously influenced by today's society, he was rushed out by church staffers by command of the church leader, again, things of that nature, even verbally, aggressive and or passive, can put one in a position of excommunication - expelling.
    Spreading interfaith teachings and or doctrine is grounds of excommunication. In fact, Anti-Christians have already spread their influence by teaching How to Get Excommunicated from a Church, and they have some verbal ques of which majority of religious will have a specific reaction, it is no different with JWs, for any interfaith talk in an attempt to shift what the JWs teach is asking for excommunication, there are also clearly ways to accept Jesus and use such to be excommunicated on the stop, like accepting Jesus and denying of the foundation Jesus left behind, for JWs take the foundation of Jesus seriously, hence The Great Commission and the church that Hades cannot bring down, Matthew 16:18.
    JWs are not allowed to speak to you because excommunication and or expelling prompts the Shunning Command, which is seen in the verse I provided above. Members are not suppose to speak with the one who has been excommunicated, however, it does not stop the one kicked out from attending the JW church. JWs however, are still allowed to offer counsel, should the excommunicated be a child, the child cannot interact with anyone else, and sits with his or her family, if the excommunicated is disabled and or stick, they are still cared for by the family.
    Excommunication and shunning is indeed biblical, however, religious ties may be broken, but blood ties still remain, the family in question will counsel the one who is repentant, however, one who is unrepentant, attacking the faith and or otherwise, leads one to apostasy, and a point of no return, thus putting you further to the point of thinking and or assuming things and being victim of influence that is negative.
    That being said, what you displayed in your situation was spreading interfaith inside the church, thus you being dealt with. Clearly you still love God and his Son, however, you show a total disdain for what JWs teach, hence all your other comments and not realizing what, why and how scriptural teachings apply to JWs and if you were among them long enough, you would know about the religious and blood ties comment.
    If you look at someone as an enemy, they will not be a friend to you, even if you use to be among them.
    Other then that, read up on excommunication of how and why Christians apply it, as well as the shun command that follows from it. For it is was in the bible, there is no reason to ignore it, as I said to someone before, if the people who hate JWs the most acknowledged that shunning is biblical, but will brush over their comments by speaking of something unrelated to the subject that is excommunication.
    5th time, as a guy myself who actually helps children, some abused and even scarred for life, you clearly ignore every word I said. And no, never have I said victims are lying, for a good friend of mind took it to her grave I suggest you not making checks you cannot cash.
    You are accuse people of being mislead, yet you ignore truth and facts, all of us know child abuse is a problem, there is no question about that, at the same time, we are smart enough to know, the world is smart enough to know how to deal with the problem. Regarding JWs, we can use ARC as an example because in your early comments, you made a remark about ARC,but when the final report facts are placed before you, you remain unconvinced and in denial. You claim the people of the world do not care about statistics in child abuse, when Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention says otherwise, for people care for these things, just as they care about the statistics of crime, violence, murder and the like in the area they live in for it is important to them, just as child abuse is.
    You remain unconvinced that child abuse has infiltrated not only  the schools, the but churches as well, this influences the JW churches, and it is said that religious institutions are plagued by and not very well equipped to deal with child abuse and or prevent an abuser from taking action, thus educating themselves and the people on the matter by means of sermons and publications - for saving at least a child from abuse is a plus because the reality is not all children can be saved and it is very difficult to prevent such cases.
    I also mentioned race before, for a majority of child abuse takes place not only in the household, regardless of the person's faith, but the the abuse is normally done by a Caucasian males, be it in the US or the UK, and speaking about the UK, the very people who are investigating the JWs of child abuse are being checked out themselves for sending out children aboard who end up suffering.
    That being said, it is agreeable child abuse is everywhere, as for the JWs, it is mostly the US, the UK and AU, some parts of EU, however it is very very low in places like the Congo, Asia, even Russia, and several others and the JWs are but a small percentage of the big picture - something you seem to not see for that response was address more than 5 times yet you bring this up again.
    Next time you assume someone is mislead, make sure their facts and information is false because the way I see it, you tend not to read into what is said half the time, which is evident, even some of the information I posted from Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention itself - who do not mislead the masses with their information.
    No, but an Apostate who said that 3 of her children were abused in a JW preschool seems to be a lie, for JWs do not build preschools. UK media claims that JWs have an underground sex ring for child grooming, to which some apostates push this information out, which was indeed a lie. JW opponents writing "Watchtower knows" all over the place and claiming the JWs did it, is a lie and they know it too. JW opponents will attack JWs because they are affected by child abuse, but ignore child abuse taking place elsewhere and or in other churches, which was evident in the ex-bible student's video of which the JW opponents, one of them you posted their gofundme, managed to report and take down on YouTube, for should that 1 hour video still exist, it will shattered half of your claims of a man who is not a fan of bible students, not a fan of JWs, but a man who knows right from wrong and understands how better ways can solve a problem, for he was the very man who stopped the group from accessing a nearby park.
    And last I check, nowhere was it ever mention by me that someone is making up a story, but at the same time, when there is information out there, what can be said of you is you tend to at times being in denial of facts.
    I would not throw Australia into the mix either since your previous claims on the ARC final reports and words of the victims themselves.
    I know what I believe and as someone myself who does help and educate children on child abuse, I am not a pawn to those who are on a warpath to destroy and beget aggressive behavior. I take the word of a Warwick citizen though, who said what JW opponents are doing is borderline extremist in their actions, which they have provide themselves to be.
    And yes, there several bible verses on such a manner too.
    Other then that, as I said, I am smart enough to know better solutions, some of which I provided her in the past, and will not subject myself to the position you are in right now, but eventually you will come to your senses though.
    Oh I do have empathy for those I have taught have become leaders themselves in dealing with violence and abuse problems and helping those affected by it and it was not by choice as you claim nor was it ever from the beginning, hence my responses to your claims.
    If you are truly concerned about the victims, know that you should be doing them justice in the right way, not in the manner you are going about. And of course, pedophiles cannot be stopped at all, only God can put an end to that. The JWs, and everyone else has to put up with pedophilia until the end times conclude, only then pedophilia would be wiped off the face of the earth - that is what I am counting on to see and you who are God fearing, you be like this also, but sadly, you consume every word of JW opponents and what those who are against Christianity is saying - the very reason why your country is suffering a decline in Christianity, so is Asia, so is the US.
    In the end, you cannot judge an group for the actions of a bad person, especially if that person is a pedophile, for child abuse prevention even states pedophiles will work their way up and earn trust to get to their target. I advise you to read up on the numerous information on child abuse prevention before you bring up claims as you did previously and as of what you had said now, in addition, you should also check out the very people who are investigating the JWs in UK, for they're connections are not to shy either as they hide behind Teresa May.
    Regarding Excommunication though, I leave you with this quote:
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in Have JWs solved 90% of the child abuse problems plaguing the rest of the world?   
    Exactly. Once again, Allen earns his keep.
    Does he interfere, obscurate, divert? Well, before concluding that, take into account the 'scholarly' contributions of JTR or Witness and you will see he yet ranks pretty high.
    It infuriates me - the constant insinuation that the eight righteous men aren't really righteous and, to the extent they are not, it is the long arm of the law that will straighten them out and not their own fear of God.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in Have JWs solved 90% of the child abuse problems plaguing the rest of the world?   
    For now I see no reason not to run with the 6.3 figure. If it is heralded as the be-all and end-all of truth, that is dishonest. But if it is held out as a rough figure that might alter pending added (and impossible, due to dearth of data) refinement of either side's stats, then it is an acceptable comparison of notifications to notifications.  That way our brothers have something to kick back with when their enemies press for the perception that JWs are the very last place you should go if you want to keep your kids safe. 
    The ultimate details will never be known, compared and quantified. But we can run with a simple indicator so long as we do not pretend it is more than a rough indicator. Such kind of imperfect stats are built into models all the time, and policies or forecasts are drawn from them.
    Well, that is the real crime, isn't it?
    In many settings, negligence is a punishable offense. Either the Australian CPS should have tracked religion for each perpetrator and victim or religions themselves should have kept stats on their own parishioners to hand them over upon demand. As it was, only Jehovah's Witnesses did and it was done for the reason of presenting to God a clean people and to not let perpetrators slide from one congregation into another, as they can anywhere else. 
    It is a deed with good motive being spun as a bad without resistance from those who should resist it. All such issues before various courts constitute a classic example of "No good deed goes unpunished." That is the overall picture which supercedes any investigations into child abuse, greivious though the latter might be. The 6.3 becomes in this context a workable indicator so that our brothers do not have to look to JTR as their messiah.
    It is quite clear that the GB can do no more. G Jackson pleaded for mandatory reporting laws across the board in all territories. Why has that not been done? That way elders can run roughshod over any family head who, for whatever reason, does not want to report abuse they are aware of to outside authorities. As was stated about the two from case 54, "they were adult survivors and it was their right not to report." Strip them of that right. Make it mandatory that everyone report everything. 
    If the greater authorities are as serious about preventing child sexual abuse as they purport to be, seemingly no policy change could be simpler. Then there would be no swiping at people for not "going beyond the law." Make it the law if it is so crucial. If they refuse or neglect to enact that most basic proactive measure, yet they would still issue blistering criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses, what does that tell you? Something more than Capernaum is here.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in Have JWs solved 90% of the child abuse problems plaguing the rest of the world?   
    Okay. I did and I was wrong.
    It was me who first put the quotes around "study" thus acknowleging it was not really a study, but simply an indicator, a fact, that could be built upon. Maybe it was wrong of me to do that, but we are a culture that loves to say it acts upon studies, and I saw no reason not to give it that status for purposes of discussion.
    I also said when I introduced the "study" into this thread that it "seemingly shows" a child is ten times safer in the JW environment. I dropped that qualifier in later reiterations because I was dealing with someone who seemingly accepted the 10 times better as fact and yet it made no difference to him. I took this as an indication that he had lost his senses and I repeated the "10 times better" "fact" thinking that it would eventually penetrate, but it never did. I think a million times better would not have cut it. If there was even a speck of dirt, it justified to him a flamethrower.
    This is the fact that was missed. Updating a year as you have done, the 355,925 notifications stem from just 225,487 children, and so it is the latter number that should be used in the calculation. (these figures are from just under the heading: "How many notifications are made to child protection services in Australia each year?" and they appear before the charts you selected from.
    The pie chart further down shows that, for whatever reason, the percentage of abuse cases that is sexual is no longer 13%, but 12% 
    Thus 12% of 225,487 eqauls 27,058 notifications of child sexual abuse - out of a total Australian population of 24, 000,000.
    The figures to be used for comparative purposes are: 
    Greater Australia:  27,058   /   24,000,000   -  which represents 11.27%
    Jehovah's Witnesses in Australia:  12   /   67,418   -   which represents 1.78%
    Thus, the Witness organization does not prevent child sexual abuse at a rate 10 times greater than all Australia. It prevents it at a rate of 6.3 times greater than all Australia.
    You have lost me in some of your calculations, but it appears that you have qualified those notifications from all-Australia, but not the ones from the Witnesses. Some of their notifications turn out to be unsubstantiated, but you seem to assume that every one of ours are. I see no reason for that assumption. You can only compare like to like, not their 'processed' notifications to our 'unprocessed' ones.
    For that matter, there is no guarantee that each of our notifications stems from a different child. They don't in all-Australia. Maybe not with us as well.  If even two of them stemmed from the same child, that would skew the numbers hugely in our favor. 
    Is it valid to relate that, per reported figures, children would appear to be 6.3 times safer in a Witness environment? Or should they be left to suppose that it is even-steven, or even worse, for fear they may otherwise get complacent about fixing what remains?
    I will give you an experience and admittedly, I am going borderline hysterics myself, like many who have contributed to this topic. Just recently a childhood friend of my son died. He left the truth as a teenager. He subsequently developed heavy addiction problems. But for the last three months he had been clean and was once again attending meetings. His mother went to pick him up on the night of the Memorial - last night. He had apparantly relapsed and overdosed. He was dead.
    Now, I know very well that not everyone who leaves the truth developes addiction problems. And I also know that not everyone who recovers does so by becoming a Jehovah's Witness. But I  know too that opioid addiction has a 90% recidism rate. So it would have been a very fine thing, even a lifeline, had he continued coming to meetings where he could have gathered strength. And had he done that, I would not be thrilled at someone meeting him at the door and saying: "You know, we have child sexual abuse here just as much as where you come from. it might even be worse."
    No. I want them to say 'Because we make a real effort to resist child sexual abuse and have good governance to that effect, we kick it 6.3 times better than the world. And we kick opioid abuse 20 times better. And whatever wretched problem you have encountered, we kick that multiple times better as well. I guarantee that he would not have said: "Yeah, but you're not perfect, are you?"
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Julie Bayley in Yes!!! The Russian brothers and sisters enjoyed the Memorial of Christ Death.   
    Thank you for posting this. I've been thinking about the brothers & sisters in Russia & worrying how they managed to observe this year's memorial. 
    Hope all our prayers to Jehovah on behalf of all those undergoing intense persecution around the world, helped.
    I don't think I'm alone wondering wether this year's Memorial will turn out to have been the last...but whatever we love our worldwide brotherhood & just encourage one another to endure to the end & not give up! 
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Bible Speaks in Yes!!! The Russian brothers and sisters enjoyed the Memorial of Christ Death.   
    Yes!!! The Russian brothers and sisters enjoyed the Memorial of Christ Death. It was done in private homes. The brothers and sisters  sang kingdom songs very low  to avoid detection. 
    For security purposes, details about it including the video will not be posted here. If you need the video, you can kindly message me. 
    Jehovah always provide  a way  for all his servant to observe this important occasion (Psalm 43:1-7) - Thank You Jehovah! 

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    Nana Fofana reacted to Matthew9969 in Why does the governing body lie?   
    The governing body states that they are not to shun family members. We don't know the detail in this relationship, but keep in mind Jesus even forgave those who put Him to death.
    My daughter decided she doesn't want anything to do with Christ, does that mean I am going to shun her, never help her, no because my love for her isn't conditional, Jesus love is not conditional. Of course I won't bend to her worldly views and will continue to talk to her about truth. But won't be unloving jerk like this father is.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in Have JWs solved 90% of the child abuse problems plaguing the rest of the world?   
    It is a simple proportion based upon straightforward facts, the simplest calculation of all, made possible because there were two groups proactive enough to keep records - the Witness organization and the Australian government itself.
    All other data is extracted from specialized subsets that are not necessarily, or even likely, representative of the whole.
    It is more likely to be repeated out of a desire to make a defence for the faith, which I have never imagined was a bad thing.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Koontee Khan in The last INVITATIONS, for ALL people around the world ❤ (many happy pic's)   
    bless our memorial father jehovah world wide trinidad
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Queen Esther in The last INVITATIONS, for ALL people around the world ❤ (many happy pic's)   
    OK,  but  that  takes  time  and  we've  deep  night  just  now
    Please  wait  until  Saturday,  then  I  put  it  all  to  the  Gallery !  No problem
    Not  delete  just  now  please....  Thank  you
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Queen Esther in The last INVITATIONS, for ALL people around the world ❤ (many happy pic's)   
    This  old  Sister,  more  than  100 years, is  greeting  us  all,  I  read  in  the  text

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    Nana Fofana reacted to Queen Esther in The last INVITATIONS, for ALL people around the world ❤ (many happy pic's)   
    (  now  coming  the  last  Campaigne  pic's  for  today...  but  still  more  about  JESUS )
    ( I've  to  7.30pm )   GERMAN - TIME....
    We're  2  Congregation's  with  changing  times,  every  year
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Queen Esther in The last INVITATIONS, for ALL people around the world ❤ (many happy pic's)   
    ( now  the  next,  nice  and  happy  photo's..)   I  HOPE, YOU  ALL  ENJOY ?
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Queen Esther in The last INVITATIONS, for ALL people around the world ❤ (many happy pic's)   
    AND  ALMOST  THE  NEXT  12  PHOTO'S.....   ENJOY !    ( some  min.)
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Queen Esther in The last INVITATIONS, for ALL people around the world ❤ (many happy pic's)   
    In  ALL  languages,  all  Countries  and  Islands,  Little  ones  until  our  older  ones
    In  few  minutes,  I  post  the  next  different 10, 20  photos....
    please  look  our  dear  Brothers & Sisters,  ENJOY
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    Nana Fofana reacted to Space Merchant in Why won't they announce the reason for disfellowshipping or disassociation?   
    Another thing is today's society seems to be very open and accepts pedophilia, child grooming and marriage and all that sort of things to the point it is now legal for a young person in the US to be forced to marry their rapist - laws made by men of which many, many people oppose. It is good to be against such things for they are indeed bad, but the reality is people do not go for the individuals, they go for a whole group, and such will pose as a problem, smart people tend to deal with such the smart way and not condemn an entire group, an example, the police, for the actions of a few, for if one police officer shoots and kills an child, execution style in her sleep, only this police officer should be dealt with, not the entire force for that district. The same thing applies for any person being the cause of violence, murder, rape, child abuse, etc. But apparently, people nowadays are not going about things the right way compared to the few who do, those who know the laws of the land.
    And yes, the laws vary from state to state on how some issues are handled and or dealt with, examples like sentencing and or the death penalty, but even with that in mind, not many people tend to be aware of what these laws are, in addition, not every American even knows even about the Constitution of United States of America, of which is the bread and butter of the land - for if anyone paid attention to the March for your lives event, majority of the individuals do not know what this is and even though their cause is just, it can prove far more damage to what will happen in the future. In short, they'll ignore it and expect things to go good as time progress, which is evidently wrong, but those who are aware tends to think otherwise.
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    Nana Fofana reacted to TrueTomHarley in Why won't they announce the reason for disfellowshipping or disassociation?   
    Putting some final touches on the Pedophilia chapter, I managed to replace something bland with something more specific, resulting in this:
    "It is similar today with the sexual abuse of children. Present protective policy has been extraordinarily long in coming. In 1987, Cleveland social workers and pediatricians removed over 100 children from their families suspected of sexual abuse. Public outcry was such, fueled by media alleging ‘overzealous’ and ‘intrusive’ agency overreach, that most were promptly returned, despite genuine evidence of abuse. Lucy Delap, writing for History and Policy, credits ‘feminist campaigners’ with making the protection of children a priorty, and states “clear guidelines for best practice were not established until the 1990s.”"
    From:   http://www.historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/child-welfare-child-protection-and-sexual-abuse-1918-1990
    It does not change the specifics here. But it does add context. Since "clear guidelines for best practice were not established until the 1990s” it seems one can only go so far in the criticism of any agency operating during that time. As late as 1987, public opinion was firmly against "breaking up families'" for sexual abuse allegations, even where creditable. Furthermore, "where evidence of sexual assault emerged, the reaction of welfare workers was to limit harm, often by removing a child from an abusive situation. Reporting of abuse and securing convictions was a secondary concern."

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