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  1. Therefore a person can sin against anything that isn't a person because if it belongs to God it's the equivalent of sinning against him.... likewise attacking those who belong to him as part of this Earthly visible organization is also an act against God himself
  2. you state... For example the words in Acts 10:38 "anointed with the Holy Spirit and with power" makes the idea that the Holy Spirit is a mere "force" or "attribute" as redundant, "anointing with power and power"(?) No the Holy spirit is an ACTIVE dynamic force...power is what the holy spirit gives...holy spirit gives power to accomplish a task. Ruach means wind or breath in hebrew...that is moving air or force with no visible component. Wind not moving is air....so the word spirit gives the idea of force moving to give power...people became empowered by spirit. Also spirit can be a mental disposition...like a spirit of love or spirit of fear
  3. The word for another is “allos” in Greek and refers to another just like Jesus. It is therefore logical to conclude from this that the Spirit is a person since Jesus is clearly a person. Further, Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as “Parakletos” which requires that He be a person. Looking at the meaning of ALLOS is as follows...depending on where it.is use...so you need to be more specific... Other Similar another, all others, the remainder, the rest SO why is it absolutely a person based on it's meaning above another or other does not infer a person in Greek it could be another helper as in a tool to do a job it could infer other from heaven as Jesus was from there... you added your meaning to it and chose the meaning that best suits your ideology... helper comforter with a masculine or feminine or neutral do not have to be people and helper can be something that helps you and a comforter can be something that comfort you my daughter has a blanket so far then nothing upon closer inspection it's proving the Holy Spirit is a person the question is when translate is now the difference between male and female and neuter another examples of things proving a helper or a comforter that are not people why would they immediately consider knowing these things that God's Holy Spirit is a person why not just say it's a tool that is part of him that he uses to do a job and leave the Trinity out of it. please be more specific with the verse you have in mind which state another and I will comment on it in more detail
  4. As said before but you seem to ignore it...spirit is called such because it produces visible effects...holy spirit gives God sanctioned acts Wicked spirits give bad effects Wind spirit moves trees. God is a spirit...he gives evidence of his existance by the effects he has although he is unseen...its a word that conveys a concept...in the case of the a holy spirit it is not a 3rd person of a trinity..it is gods power or force or strength...the subtle uses of those words convey slight variations on the idea but never as a person
  5. They are called evil due to their intent...but they are spirit persons..as in breath wind etc...that is you don't see them but you you can see the effects they have....your next comment will be then if they are persons then so is the Holy spirit...matthew 4.3 the poor in SPIRIT..thats pneuma also...but not a person.. Matthew 26.41 the spirit is willing...thats not a person Mark 2.8 and 8..12 jesus sighed in his spirit..not a person Mark 14.38 the spirit is still willing and not a ref to a person. If you want more examples let me know. The spirit is Jehovah's and only used by him so it has authority built into it...as noone else has it unless given them by him...he gives them authority by his spirit. The power of the spirit is the force behind it which is unlimited.. The authority of the spirit is unlimited as there is not greater authority that Jah. What else dont you understand from my comment?
  6. I think possibly the Witnesses reasoning on the noun being neuter was to show that in some places in the King James Version it is rendered it for the Holy Spirit with no personalisation off the top of my head I think John 3 verse 2 in the KJV renders the spirit as an IT that's most probably what he was referring to and you misunderstood him
  7. Let's just be clear the Hebrew ruach is a female noun in hebrew and associated with God hence considered male as Jah is called ...HE and considered male when written down...but nothing in hebrew is referred to by male or female words based on their actual gender each object is masculine or feminine for e.g.. The spirit of God..ruach elohim is feminine noun so the shekhinah is female also... Elohim..el and Adonai are all masculine nouns but the work for animal is hayyah and this is feminine...all animals are female in hebrew but not in reality...some are male...but they are written down as female...a book is seffer and is always male...but clearly the book is no more male than God....who is gender less in reality. Galatians 3.28 states there is neither male nor female...you are all one in christ. The holy spirit in hebrew is male due to God being associated with it although the noun for spirit is female....so according to your reasoning as it's male in Greek...and I will go into that later...then it must be female in hebrew or might it be that the writers conform to grammatical rules and are not indicating gender at all. The HOLY Spirit is not male and neither is Jehovah
  8. It's what the holy spirit means to God and the authority it possesses as granted by him that means we can blaspheme it. It's Gods HOLY Spirit no one else. A spirit ruach is such because the wind produces effect seen by man...evil spirit produces evil effects Gods HOLY Spirit produces HOLY acts from God...blashemed by being denied by man..its not a person.
  9. If you listen to the video with the society explanation shows you the scripture they reasoned it out on...why is it wrong in your opinion? You seem to want scripturpal proof of what a generation was in the bible...where is yours to show what jesus thought a generation was?
  10. Let's not jump to any conclusions, when it comes to matters of abuse of children that could be among family members or other people within a congregation, the Elders must abide by the law, however the elders are not policemen they deal with sin not crime, but where were the parents in this issue, there are lots of unanswered questions and the elders are not available for comment maybe they did obstruct Justice maybe they did abide by the law maybe they were trying not to embarrass the child or the family, there are lots of different reasons as to why things appear as they do but not knowing the ins and outs of it doesn't mean we should jump to conclusions and assume the worst of them as you are doing and it's not that I blame you because child abuse is a serious issue all over the world today. I went through the Royal Australian commission transcripts and videos for this case against the Watchtower based on people who claimed to be abused and it's never as cut and dry as it appears. once you start to get into this you see that it is everywhere in other organisations and it must be in with the Witnesses as well but it is definitely not practiced with consent by the society and it is definitely not hidden intentionally, however because we don't have the full facts it is not easy to convince people that no wrongdoing has been committed by those in authority because sometimes, in some cases people were not taken seriously and that in itself is wrong but that doesn't mean the whole organisation is bad and Jehovah is displeased with the governing body because of the acts of the few if that were the case Jehovah would have disowned Israel from the very beginning before it even started
  11. I agree, what 1 says about it another contradicts...because its a man made idea and designed to confuse.
  12. But still nowhere is the HS referred to God the Holy Spirit and I would say that the personification of sin, wisdom and death shows the bible is no stranger to the personification of concepts in order to help us comprehend them...the Holy Spirit is no different, just as the sin is not a person nor death neither is the HS. Regarding the use of poetic language, if we look at Genesis where God says to Cain "sin is crouching" where exactly is the rest of the poem that you seem to think proves that this is not personification of a concept and... also these things are not personified by JWs but by God. The HS is constantly sandwiched in among concepts like faith, Joy Mat 3v11 and Cor 6v6 puts it in with purity, knowledge, patience, Holy spirit, and love...all of them NOT PEOPLE, The NT does this a lot maybe that's poetic in nature also when it describes the HS like that. What verse would you use to show the "oneness" of the HS
  13. I confess, I don't understand the trinity at all, what is the oneness?
  14. So could a person not show an "act of insulting or showing contempt" towards the temple in Jerusalem or the alter in the temple back in bible times?
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