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    See it yet? got a reaction from Anna in 'Peace and Security'   
    I find it interesting the very ones making the calls for peace and security are the very ones making things 'shakey'... It's all a ruse that will backfire on them. I don't think many who believe the Bible realize just how this is orchestrated. Basically what I am saying is it is not the results of organic natural behaviors. It is about Elitists arranging chaos so they can present the 'solution' to something that just does not exist. They will be the aggressors against God's people as well. They will try to maneuver God's people and force them to react. These fake events involving JW's will be what will make witnesses make a public stand to deny the untruthfulness of the reality spoken about them. Otherwise the option is to stay silent which would make them complicit. The acts of deceptions in the name of the witnesses is what I believe the thing that will force the 'truth' to take a stand. Ultimately it will spur on Christs 'standing up'.. The nations will be the initiating force.  But they will be surprised when Jehovah disturbs them by 'reports'.
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    See it yet? got a reaction from JW Insider in 'Peace and Security'   
    I find it interesting the very ones making the calls for peace and security are the very ones making things 'shakey'... It's all a ruse that will backfire on them. I don't think many who believe the Bible realize just how this is orchestrated. Basically what I am saying is it is not the results of organic natural behaviors. It is about Elitists arranging chaos so they can present the 'solution' to something that just does not exist. They will be the aggressors against God's people as well. They will try to maneuver God's people and force them to react. These fake events involving JW's will be what will make witnesses make a public stand to deny the untruthfulness of the reality spoken about them. Otherwise the option is to stay silent which would make them complicit. The acts of deceptions in the name of the witnesses is what I believe the thing that will force the 'truth' to take a stand. Ultimately it will spur on Christs 'standing up'.. The nations will be the initiating force.  But they will be surprised when Jehovah disturbs them by 'reports'.
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    See it yet? got a reaction from The Librarian in 'Peace and Security'   
    I find it interesting the very ones making the calls for peace and security are the very ones making things 'shakey'... It's all a ruse that will backfire on them. I don't think many who believe the Bible realize just how this is orchestrated. Basically what I am saying is it is not the results of organic natural behaviors. It is about Elitists arranging chaos so they can present the 'solution' to something that just does not exist. They will be the aggressors against God's people as well. They will try to maneuver God's people and force them to react. These fake events involving JW's will be what will make witnesses make a public stand to deny the untruthfulness of the reality spoken about them. Otherwise the option is to stay silent which would make them complicit. The acts of deceptions in the name of the witnesses is what I believe the thing that will force the 'truth' to take a stand. Ultimately it will spur on Christs 'standing up'.. The nations will be the initiating force.  But they will be surprised when Jehovah disturbs them by 'reports'.
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    See it yet? reacted to USASister in ISIS Kills a JW Sister in Finland Terror Attack   
    Hello Kurt, 
    Thank you for posting the many sites to different news sources.  I felt you have answered what was necessary.  
    I decided not to answer further to the questions to PROVE this happened.  One of the  issues the posting person stated, is that the www.jw.org site has 1) participated in the hoax   2) is not reliable for information. There is nothing we will be able to say to make that person think differently.  
    I have no idea how many  'errors' this person found in all the news stories they are investigating. But honestly, it has little to do with us as witnesses.  We are not responsible for all of the reporting sources in the world. We are not responsible for people altering or manufacturing photos and videos.  Wrong things are on the internet and TV all of the time.  This person is trying to stir up contention using a young girls death as their vehicle.  They are using the WORLD's problem of errors in news and pointing it back at the witnesses.  Demeaning a girls life, to non-existence. 
    It is possible, the government in Finland may have asked to have certain content taken down.  In suspected terrorist attacks, they need to keep a lid on the details so as not to impede the investigation of finding anyone else associated with the attacks. Also, they need to discover if it is part of a larger issue that is being planned. Often it is to locate a cell.   If you read terrorist attack stories, missing names of victims and those arrested are common.  This does not imply a hoax.  Sometimes it seems like there is a lot of information. Other times not.  Please do not tell me this is not fact as well, it is.  That is not the family's problem or the organization.  We do not control the news outlets of the world! 
     How many times have you heard news and they kept changing the body bag count?  The Columbine High School shootings were a perfect example of that.  The body count at the scene was broadcast as MANY different numbers!   How hard is it to count body bags?  But it happened.  They were all racing to report the news and jumped the gun. 
    As Jehovah's Witnesses, we do know that our site does NOT publish lies or participate in HOAX news.  As this person clearly feels the JW.org site has some sort of reason to post a lie, there will be NOTHING we can do to help this person understand that a young girl is dead.
    This person claims to be an investigator of news stories. But they also believe we publish false stories. This person has an issues with witnesses and the organization. They are not at all concerned about this young girls death. This sad story of a human being dying is just a place for the author to USE. A place to STEP in and disparage the organization and witnesses. 
    Instead of bashing the death of this girl where you can clearly see, other members of her faith are grieving and sharing, would it not make more sense for you to contact the news media in Finland as well as the police, law enforcement, etc.?  Take a trip there and investigate it personally.
    I  do not think we really care about all the news sources on earth.  But we do care about the loss of our sister.  
    Kurt, the person asked, we answered.  That is all that can be done.  
    This thread was intended to let people know one of our sisters was killed during the activity of doing the preaching work.   It also served as a place to send condolences to our dear sister.
    This thread is NOT about deciding if her dead body existed or not!  Honestly, its cruel.  This is a thread where people actually care about this human being.
     I hope the family is NOT watching this thread.  People posting that the whole thing is a "HOAX'.  That would be very hurtful to a grieving family.  Her blood is shed in the street;  and people came to the thread  to console one another & share information.  Not to say ' it never happened',  prove she is dead!  Honestly, its horrible.  But then there are people who do not believe in 'the moon landing' or the 'concentration camps in WW2.'  
    As we do not want to be part of senseless arguments, I see no point in furthering answering someone who seems to want to disparage the organization, its members and most sadly, the death of our sister. 

    PLEASE remember this is a flesh and blood human being. This is a family who lost their precious daughter, or sister, or friend.  This is NOT in a object in which no human feelings are attached. 
    Jehovah's people do not lie.  It is agains God's laws.  A person has accused our brothers of lying.  For what gain would that serve?   But diluting her life and death to, 'it never existed,' is cruel. 
    No matter what anyone provides, this person is going to just use it as fodder.  I do not think the death of a young girl is a place that should be used for someones issues about witnesses or the organization.  Surely, you can find a different outlet for your opinions. 
    Her life matters.  Her family matters. Saying hear death did NOT exist?   I will not participate further in it. 
    Thank you for everyones understanding.  I am suggesting, this:  It was asked and answered. Thank you Kurt for the many links.   The photos were very moving.  
    Sincerely & With Thanks to all of you. 
    Kristy
    1 Timothy 6: 3-8    
     
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    See it yet? reacted to See it yet? in ISIS Kills a JW Sister in Finland Terror Attack   
    @USASister OK I just noticed you made a large letter speaking against me so I feel I should make a response. You keep saying this person as though you are not directing the words to me but you are. That shows deceit in your character if you have something to say to me then just say it. Instead of speaking around me.
    You keep saying this poor girl died as though you really KNOW when you do not know you go only by what you have been told. You have not any proof of this event. Just reports. As far as the organization telling the truth well even there you are basing it upon trust. The Bible says even if every man proves to be a liar, I will not be.. Regarding Jehovah.. So Jehovah even knows all people can be involved in lying. No one is excluded from that possibility.
    I will put up my observances about this event to show why this is to be questioned as to its validity. Here they are:
    · No names are released of the victims. (Oddity)
    · Jw’s do not do cart witnessing alone. Where was the other witness then? If they were there why are they not a witness to the event? (Oddity)
    · Emt worker was laughing in a video with fellow workers on the scene when firetrucks were in place. (Oddity)
    · Eyewitness on radio was asked to describe the attacker but could not do so, He just said he saw a big knife. He could of at least had something to say about the attacker yet he had nothing to say. That is odd. (Oddity)
    · Crime scene in the square was blocked by two fire trucks. Why two fire trucks? Was there a fire? Maybe for Theatrical value for world stage. Did the other bodies get this kind of treatment? Where was their 'firetruck'?
    · ‘Hero’ character had all seeing eye tattoo on arm. (Oddity)
    · ‘Hero’ character also gave interview back in what appears to be the square in new clothing, had not a drop of blood on him yet he too was attacked trying to defend 'woman'. Yet he  had a sling on and a gauze pad on only but no blood came through.  (Oddity)
    · BBC report said the ‘Hero’ was stabbed 4 times in the neck and chest yet there were no signs of any of that. (Contradiction)
    · This ‘Hero’ would immediately be put in the hospital for treatment of stabbing in neck and chest especially if it was a big knife. He would not be changed into new cloths, incidentally his new shirt said “Malt Whiskey” in Walt Disney fonts. Neither would a person come back to the crime scene to be interviewed. A person would be traumatized enough yet this person did not seem like a person who was just attacked and stabbed 4X’s and having watched a person die in his arms. (Oddity)
    · There is even a picture of him with his hand touching his nose with what appears to be a smile on his face. (Oddity)
    · During the ‘Hero’ interview camera was angled to leave a view of observers. During the viewing of observers one could see two people look at each other and gave a look of acknowledgement. Then people moved out of the way to give an elderly woman with a walker the ability to come into view of the camera, then she deliberately wiped her eye with a tissue to give the impression she was crying. Looked very staged. From the camera angle to the elderly woman's actions. Yet no tears were present. (Strange)
    · Then we have the candles to commemorate the ‘attack’ many were very similar. Most were very similar in appearance for the amount of items there seemed to be too few varieties this could indicate these items all came from the same place. It might explain the lack of variety. Could also indicate planned event. (Peculiar)
    · Then we have the woman who sang a song while playing a small boxlike stringed instrument at the beginning of a small candle memorial whereas a man held an umbrella the woman had a smile on her face while the man tried not to look at the camera filming them. (Oddity)
    · Then we have the suspect’s preliminary trial proceedings via tv monitor while man was in the ‘hospital’. He lay under covers you never saw him. What court allows such a thing? Also the lawyers face was blocked out with a picture in picture small screen on the monitor. You basically saw nothing. Very odd. (Oddity)
    · Then we have the JW side of this. They published a small news bulletin on JW.org a day after then immediately took it down. Which is unusual for them they usually do not act so hasty. (Unusual)
    · Based on all the oddities mentioned that seriously affects the credibility of this event, how could JW’s treat this as credible?  If much is faked then how could the rest be real? If it is not real then what are JW’s involved in? I don't even like to think about what this can imply.
    Whatever the case it will continue to develop in other actions, then we will all see.
     
     
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