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  1. Thanks @Matthew9969 for using WT magazines. This articles shows how GB want to present us, how mental illness was not started with "apostates" in recent time. Wording "mental illness" is connect with WT Society context about result, outcome that is seen in JW members who think how they are sort of people who belongs to people known as 144000 class. They numbered several reasons why some JW member thinks about self as King and Priest aka part of 144000. They say: in 1996 -after a while they acknowledged that this was an error -an emotional response -perhaps physical or mental strain in 2011 -past religious beliefs -mental or emotional imbalance in 2016 -mistakenly think that they are anointed -mental or emotional problems It is obvious how WT Society is organization who looks on one part of members as people who have not mental and emotional balance. Perhaps GB say so, because of Jesus words how he is send to ill, sick people, and that also including physical, mental and emotional defects. But we see how GB put this explanation on exactly one specific class or group of individuals inside organization - "anointed". On all anointed individuals who are outside of GB... or Helpers. Well, here we see how few anointed individuals who are in position to call themselves as FDS who sharing spiritual food, decided to sending message through publications how only them are mentally, physically and emotionally in perfect health. All other are in question. Well, where insane people living? Inside or outside sanatorium?
  2. Marty, I am sorry, but I'm afraid you're (we) stuck here :))))
  3. First of all, i have to noticed this: WHAT sort of READERS would come to such idea to even ask such question? Is it ADVISABLE for a C. MINISTER to give talk ...? ........ Good God! Also, this question showed how JW's are under (influenced) general idea (of Catholic church) how suicide is consider as sin. Because God is Master of life and you have no right to end something what is given to you (and to other people) as God's gift. Life belong to God, so He is only one who can give or take life. In such cultural-social environment, suicide is not viewed as something acceptable for member (or is in some black-grey zone). Another thing, JW funerals talks are, in almost all cases, made in form to giving witnessing to non witness people. That is main reason for giving talk, and not so much about comforting of those who stay. i believe how many times, or almost always this questions are products of Bethel moves and strategy. Because, i can be sure how exist people who send some other letters/questions and such subjects not came under this section. Internet is place to ask unpleasant questions and to hear answers that is sometimes hard to accept.
  4. Light is in you. JTR explained, in a kind way, do not look for some imaginable "new light" as something that coming from organized religion or corporation.
  5. I would disagree with your tactics in word usage If you don't mind, i put down copy paste, partially the text you made, what i understand and see as your stand: Mentally diseased means anything but what is scripturally stated in 1 Tim. 6:3, 4. FALSE TEACHERS. Anyone that misleads by the teaching of Christ and God’s words is mentally diseased, not just apostates. I was going again through our text and saw this detail: Tom: Anyone that misleads by the teaching of Christ and God’s words is mentally diseased, not just apostates. Srecko: Tom said previously how every person who are not in line with Jesus teachings (JW or not JW) is mentally ill. Yes, here we have some differences in wording and in marking what sort of people are "mentally ill". You pointed on those group of people who "handle" with Jesus' words and misleading others while doing that. Who are those people? Nominal clergy class, elder class, GB? Or, and also members of church, congregation, who by repeating what they learned from their "teachers" also spreading false teachings? Because all this sort of classes, i mentioned, participate in such activity, i would understand how all of them are "mentally ill", because of final outcome you pointed with: they misleads (other people) by the teaching of Jesus, that in fact is not His teaching. In my resume on your comment, i said: .... how every person who are not in line with Jesus teachings (JW or not JW) is mentally ill. I do not see any tactics in word usage from my part, because both class of people, those who misleads other and those who are mislead by other (by first class) are and come to be "mentally ill" because of bad spiritual food they have eaten and still eating. I hope this will clarify our wording and understanding of what was said and thought with expressed words. :))
  6. I will guess how many ex Bethel workers who lost their jobs after WT Society accepted a new economic and financial audit of operations within the corporation, ask for and received Letters of Recommendations. No matter of jobs they had in Bethel, from cleaning and washing to IT skills, those letters possibly helped some of them when looking for secular jobs. I know one Bethel elder who left Bethel and because he has fine knowledge about computers, he open private business and now living from that. His wife also found secular job. One sister who left Bethel as cleaner, have not easy time to found and keep cleaning work at secular job market. Some other Bethel people lost place in Home, and went to pioneer service or looking for jobs. I do not know what official credentials, diploma they have. But that depend on what secular school education they have had accomplished before Bethel. Only, as i learned by @JW Insider respond, Gilead School students received formal piece of paper as proof of finished education inside WT Society. All other, Bethel workers, can get Recommendation Letter. But I am not sure for what secular jobs, Gilead School students, can/would candidate for in real word. Funny thing i see in Recommendation Letter and Gilead Diploma. According to Bible verses in 2 Cor 3, JW rejecting such Letters and Diplomas as proof for their qualification about service, ministry (in teaching others about Gospel, using Bible as whole for teaching others) This including two things: 1) "spiritual" qualification for teaching , and 2) "spiritual" qualification for position in hierarchy (clergy style). On other side it is good if you have some paper as proof of your qualification .... for something. Or as proof how you have skills and experience in cleaning floors. Little irony, you won't mind me .:)) I am working in one High School. For several years we have White Boards and board markers in almost all classes. Few smart boards, too. Only in one room, teacher (older generation) want to stay on white chalk and green board. Ministry of education, working on school reform (new curriculum) and equip schools with technological equipment. In the same time teachers and professors in Grammar (children from 7-15 of age) and High school (from 15 - 18 of age) system, are in strike for better material position, salary. It is hard to find professor for IT subject to teach children, because they can find jobs with much better salary than in school.
  7. The content of your comment is one of the best, or best of all, in this forum. Because it talks about the elemental thing in life and for life. Most of our comments are just philosophizing. Needed, but .....
  8. ... and failed catastrophically, too. :)))) I can't recall what verse in Genesis about Adam and Eve in Paradise speaking how God gave to Adam authority over Eve. I am not sure in what direction you going with next sentence: .... and with this: After this comment: I am not sure what ideology, idea you promote? or you just made parody on issue :))
  9. I suppose how, for example, Statute or Charter of some institution, association, golf club, or charity as WT Society, must be according to state law, secular law. When speaking about "Secular authority" as God's Servant, that would undoubtedly mean how such sort of authority has Power over WT Society, congregations and members. If secular Judge make unjust or wrong decision, God will call him for responsibility, because Judge is JHVH Servant. Does WT Society and members believe in that? They have to wait for JHVH. Just be calm and wait, nothing more. God will repay them all injustice.
  10. WT Society and JW Organization looking on Education of Priests in "worldly" Schools and Universities who give them Diploma or Credentials, as something that is not needed for serving God in any capacity. It doesn't matter if you are rank and file member or serving as Ministerial servant or an Elder in JW congregation. On the contrary, "higher education", no matter is it question about religious or secular education, is viewed from most JW congregants, as something that is in opposition to God, His Word - Bible, and in fact it is product of corrupted World which is run by devil. For this and some other reasons, WT publications giving advice to members not to go to University to get "higher education". Instead, they say, it is enough to finish Elementary school or some Higher school to be able to get some job that will provide you basic material status. What "flock" need is possible to get, to find through religious educational program provide by WT Society through congregational meetings, courses, some additional programs for specific groups inside organization (pioneers, elders, missionaries, etc.) One specific instrument for education is Gilead School. JW members and leaders are very proud of fact how God provide them best education through Bible and Organization. And how they not need any Credentials or Diploma to be able to prove how they have sufficient knowledge, expertise and ability for handle with Bible and to educate other people about God. Who need peace of paper as proof you have qualification to work in such spiritual field? Jworg web site: Application was made to the U.S. government for foreign students to be admitted under non immigration student visa provisions. In response, the U.S. Office of Education gave recognition to Gilead School as offering education comparable to professional colleges and educational institutions. Thus, since 1953, U.S. consuls throughout the world have had the Watchtower Bible School of Gilead on their list of approved educational institutions. As of April 30, 1954, this school appeared in the publication entitled “Educational Institutions Approved by the Attorney General.” -
      Hello guest!
    WT Society say how "worldly education" is of no worth for future life in Paradise, even more, it is inspired by devil and can corrupt JW young members, WHY this same WT Society had need to be RECOGNIZED by Educational worldly system, about whom they speaking so bad? For JW students who need visa for US to be able to come to Gilead School. This is technical reason. And Gilead School, by this action, found itself on worldly list with all other undesirable institutions who "spiritually corrupting people". Do Gilead School students get some "credentials or diploma" in shape of paper after they successfully finished program? Because they "graduate class".
  11. I would go back to fundamental reasons of that we talking about. No matter do we talking about revision, better understanding, new light, simplicity ......etc. point is this: In what mental state has been all this individuals who made first, second, third, and so on with numbers, doctrine and then revision of that same doctrine? Tom said previously how every person who are not in line with Jesus teachings (JW or not JW) is mentally ill. It seems how all authors and all who approved what was written in WT publications had mental issues and that is main reason for revision of doctrines. Just repeating Tom's idea with new wording :)))
  12. If we want to apply @Tom Henry way of reasoning and logic, and not only in religious matters but in every human activity because life means all and not only religion, we all are lunatics and deeply mentally ill. (In very deep sincerity i would agree with that :)))) Perhaps i would understand Tom Henry if he want to use Bible report of Eden excommunicate starting point. But that also would mean how religious legacy that WT Society and JW organization want to show how is based on every past "faithful witness for JHVH" individual or group is not possible to establish. Because, in very first moment when God aka Father had cute all spiritual (and literal) "family ties" with Adam and Eve and by that with their children, they been left in all sort of mental problems because their Father didn't want to "pick up telephone and answer on their call even to say Hello and to satisfied their emotional need to just hear His voice and be calmed by that". You can imagine how such treatment of ignoring (shunning) can cause all sort of emotional difficulties in individual. Such constant stress lead to depression and mental problems. It would not be surprise how some people ended in "mental house", in literal institution or home made nuthouse. If it is true how humankind is separated from God because of Adam sin, than we all are crazy. WT Society generously contribute to general madness (of flock) because they shows continuity in changing doctrines that was previously been established on Bible, deep study and prayers of faithful men..... and after change was made, new doctrine is also established on same methods and have same name - "the truth". It is logical how inside mental state of suppressed thoughts and emotion about WT Society doctrines can make people to be "mentally ill".
  13. I agree. And you even not need to be obsessed or zeal with/for something, but still doing wrong thing. That is what i have in mind. But also is important where you are in that moment (spiritual and literal place). If such person is observed from/by people who not belong to same ideology it could be viewed as "fanatic" (zealous or obsessed, it would not be too much difference) Even inside own group, various levels of "spirituality" that individuals (and others around) have and shows, that individuals see as desirable and good, as the qualities that people around and god himself expecting of us to have them, can be in range from, what fellow brotherhood consider as, normal, role model zeal to something what can be very confusing and doubtful.
  14. They are children of this period of time. And this is true for all of them, non JW children and JW children. WT Society can't do nothing to stop children to be "obsessed" about technology and viral life. That is why WT Society need to make changes (already in process) to make and hold interest of children and young people, and future old people in technology and equipment that will serve for purposes in modern shapes and sorts of worship.
  15. To be zealous about something can be seen as obsession, too. For example, pioneer service is proof how some JW member is zeal for JHVH. He/she spend 35, 50, 70 hours or much more hours. Other things in their life are putted down for spiritual reasons. And such person mostly thinking about one thing - preaching. Is he/she obsessed with this activity? Many wouldl show "signs" of that. We can see how one Bible individual act in "obsessed" way. For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother's womb........And the child continued to grow and to become strong in spirit, and he lived in the deserts......Now John himself had a garment of camel's hair and a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey.....For John came neither eating nor drinking......Now in those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea..... From our today's perspective even JW members would say how such person (without knowing source of description) is not in full mental health.

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