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  1. It just seems (to me) that if that was the case, then Jesus has been riding and conquering for nearly 2 thousand years without having achieved much! In fact, apostate Christendom had been flourishing and the true Christian congregation stopped existing. Yes, there were individuals that fought against the Catholic church and fought for the truth, and died for the truth (for example Jan Hus who was burned at the stake) but it seems like it was a small victory. I guess a lot of things, including this one, are about what our expectations are and what they are like. We have our own perception, we have visions that come from other people. We have a mixture of both. Did Jesus accomplish much or little? The assessment of this should not come from our expectations of Jesus. Because he promised nothing he did not intend to fulfill. At least we, or you, believe so. By this, Jesus is in a position to best judge whether he has fulfilled his own expectations and the expectations of his Father. Our ideas, often times wrong, lead to multiple self-deceptions. Most often, these deceptions come from religious leaders, who create "collective expectations". When “collective expectations” fail then mantras like; "if we don't understand something we should be patient and wait for YHVH" ... etc. come to surface. Religious leaders reportedly “understood” so they placed their own vanity that became a “collective expectation” and then a “collective disappointment”. JW members should stop having expectations that are a product of GB, or that are their own interpretation of the interpretation of GB. Because, in both cases, a void is created.
  2. Herbert is known for another idea. Namely, when it comes to praying for food, he expressed the view that it is not obligatory to pray for food that does not cost more than 1 DM (Deutsche Mark) ....... blink blink ?? Here and now I have shown my primitiveness. Instead of talking about ideas, I talk about people. How sad.
  3. That’s right, sometimes we are burdened with internal conflicts. That’s right, sometimes we’re hypocritical as we expose other people’s mistakes. That's right, sometimes we publicly advocate general / social justice and truth, and yet something inside us tells us that it's not all exactly what it seems. And what can be done about it? It can get out of an organization in which people are not really ready to face their own and other people's conflicts about what is true and accurate and what is not. And to stop speculate.
  4. Oh I didn't know they mentioned wearing a suit and tie in the scriptures. The Elders really did kick off at me when i used to attend meetings in an open neck shirt and no jacket in the heat of the summer. The summer weather that God himself created for our enjoyment, but by rules of men, people are made to suffer. One elder from Bethel and from the former congregation objected that it was wrong for me to go to the podium without socks. Namely, in the summer I would sometimes wear summer shoes, but without socks. It bothered him a lot and he gave me sermons / litanies about it several times. Maybe he did it because he was originally from Germany. So; order, work and discipline. ;))
  5. Is there any obstacle, that the “seven times” (or if you want 2520 years), starting to count, if you really have to count, from the year 70 AD, because that destruction of Jerusalem is more significant than the first one. In fact, Jesus himself prophesied the destruction of the temple and the severance/ending of the religious system. The Jewish religion has not disappeared, let's be clear. It still exists today. But the city of Jerusalem and the temple are in a completely different context today than it was during Roman times or before the Romans. We can conclude rightly; adding a certain number of years to a certain event in the past or future, as they did in WTJWorg, can be also done by another logic of choosing an event from which one then wants to count something and draw various ideas and conclusions. Perhaps we can wait for the year 2590 AD to see whether something will happen. :))
  6. Thanks. I seem to have reversed the meaning of the words (uncircumcised vs circumcised). :))) But it is always good to look for a supplement to some statement, even when the statement seems logical. Creative moments in the formation of something or someone can be challenging for all those who did not attend the act. So, it would not be strange if God created Adam beardless and gave him the opportunity to feel his beard grow day by day. Of course the question arises as to how Adam trimmed and shortened his hair and beard or whether it grew to the floor/ground in the first 40 years. :))
  7. Some proof for such statement/claim would be nice to provide, please. If you gave only opinion/view, that is ok. Then, you don't need time to search for Bible verse :)) .
  8. Yes, in the hierarchy it is important to give everyone (primarily male members) their share of power participation. A very well-touched topic about our “dark” side of character and how that need for power develops in controlled conditions. Of course, anything that is tried to be controlled can always become uncontrollable.
  9. What is good to notice here? Beards were mandatory and circumcision was mandatory in ancient Israel. Jesus came and did not express his clear position on beards and circumcision issue. In fact, no one knows if he wore a beard or not. Given that he was the originator of the reforms in the Jewish religion by laying the foundations for a new way of worshiping God and breaking with the forms and traditions that were part of the "legacy of Moses", it would not be surprising if his appearance showed the direction of future change, that is, that external features are not proof that the individual is a member of a movement, organization, religion or ideology that represents "the only and true worship of God." Was his beard, if he wore it, the beard of a “real, true Jew" or did his beard deviate from the fashion and trend of other Jews? What if he trimmed her more than was allowed to be done - Lev 19 27? He “violated” many other norms of Jewish tradition and law. Jesus (the child) was circumcised at the behest of his parents. I am not aware of any biblical verse that says that Jesus supported or forbade or was neutral about the matter. But some of his followers, and later many other important members (apostles) of the congregation, preached and taught that circumcision was not an obligation. What is the situation in WTJWorg today? Beards have become banned since the time of Judge Rutherford (with some indications of a relaxation of measures, today), and circumcision is not banned if one wishes to do so. Issue on beard is in a way still a religious issue in WTJWorg. But it should not be because it is a meaningless dilemma and has its causes in the personal attitudes of WTJWorg religious leaders. Evidence? In the past, God determined forbidden things and punished people for things that He later marked as completely unimportant. If these things have become unimportant to God, the question is; Why are these things important to some people today ??
  10. There have always been and will be people (angels in heaven) who will answer questions/issues about God in various and opposite ways. If these questions have already been answered, through those who have been or are now faithful to God, then there is no longer a need to prove it over and over again for every individual and for every new generation. Because that's how we could go on indefinitely. Every new born person on Earth should be able to choose between good and evil. So, according to such idea, evil and good would have to exist constantly in order for people to be able to choose and thus prove that they have "free will". According to the current interpretation, WTJWorg's answers to questions about evil and why God allows evil to exist to this day, questions about God and the Devil, Good and Evil could be debated as long as there are people. So infinitely into the future. Because every new generation thinks it knows more and knows better. And since no generation lives forever, the evidence dies with them. Written books and recorded films and which often times live longer than the people themselves are often not sufficient proof and lack the strength and persuasiveness for the new generation to accept all that people before it concluded about life and death, good and evil.
  11. Agree. Simple proclamation of doctrinal interpretations and group or individual understanding of Bible text is not act of intolerance. On the other hand, the religious animosity that develops in the feelings of members of one church towards another, on a global level, is certainly a display of intolerance. And that is the reality in all religions not just in the JW church. So the question that is still relevant is: What do the leaders of every church do to reduce and curb religious intolerance, especially while publicly announcing the suppression of every religious option other than their own? To which group of tolerance does ignoring former members belong? To not say even simple hello on the street is strong proof and evidence how majority in JW organization are not only intolerant but show lack of everyday polite. Of course, there is JW members who don't obey every GB instruction in this matter or in some other. And that is nice to see. I "like" it, even i disagree with and don't "like" their religious belonging/affiliation.
  12. Please, go on JWorg library and you will find publications that support conclusion and speak clearly how, in fact, JHVH will destroy all elements of "Old System". Where does JW's tolerance of members of other religions begin and end, also about tolerance of own members in JW organization who changing their "spiritual vision/view"? How do you show tolerance for different religious beliefs or opposing beliefs in general? Massimo Introvigne is in focus here, about his interpretations of "tolerance" toward WTJWorg and defense of JW members in Russia and elsewhere.
  13. When you say; "given by HS to say", that is so close to idea of "been inspired by HS". Don't you think the same? Bible verse about such experiences in 1st century is about that "miracle". ...for the holy spirit will teach you in that very hour the things you should say.” Lk 12:12 nwt ...for what you are to speak will be given you in that hour;+ 20 for the ones speaking are not just you, but it is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you. Mt 10:19,20 nwt You used the words of Jesus written in these two gospels. The manner and appearance of HS action has nothing to do with the intellect and learned things that an individual adopts through life. Here we are talking about the ability of HS to act directly on a person at a given moment. This is also called “inspiration, influence, leadership, guidance”. And it happens outside the action of our will and consent or demand.
  14. Well said. Although, the topic gets heated from the moment you send 8 million people to preach that all religions will be destroyed because they don’t believe the way they should believe in God, and that’s the JW way. At such a moment, the alleged tolerance of another’s religious belief becomes an empty phrase. On one side JW gave picture of how tolerant they as people are, but in same time preaching how they worship intolerant God who will destroy them/other people because of their religion. Does a JW member "like" someone else's religion? If he liked it, he might become a member of such a religion. But the JW member only likes his religion, and towards others he does not have such a kind of tolerance nor does he have it in such quantity that he would “like it”. Please nicely, let us explain what this might mean at all if a JW member have feeling and attitude; "I like other religions and I am very tolerant of them, but God will destroy them one day and i am glad that He will do it"? If it is so as you said what Massimo Introvigne stand for, then that is not JW way/model of "religious tolerance". OT records speaking about God who have no tolerance for false way of worshiping Him. Neither to worship some other God in different/opposite religion. And JW members also using such Bible verses to enforce and empower own religious attitude about this issue. By that, it is questionable about what sort of "religious tolerance" is about, here and now, inside JW Church.
  15. Are Voltaire's texts a recommended read for JW members? Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. Judge a man by his questions rather than by his answers.
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