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Srecko Sostar

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Outta Here in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    There is an interesting (seeming) paradox here.
    Those who do sin against God's spirit are unlikely to think they have. Those who do not sin against God's spirit often think they have.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    I don't think any of us can claim that, and it is rather presumptuous of you if you think you can!
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    "God deals with you as with sons..." 
    not as with  bread for garbage, trash can.
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    again - one person failed (your sinful dfd brother) and others JW members run from them as he is "mentally diseased" apostate. But ok if you scare of apostates, do not talk with him.  What about other sorts of sin? They are also dangerous?
    So where is "companion" who will lift up him? Only elders, once a year????? Is elder his "companion"?? or it is someone else??  "But woe.."
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    I will put this verse to some topic. 
    Loyalty and Truth. Two moral powers that can exist on same level. 
    Are you loyally love your failed "friend" at all times". In bad times, not only in good times?
    Can your brotherhood with him, and his with your, be born in "adversity"?
    If you start to shun, ignore, reject him because he is "sinner", how you will fulfilled Proverbs? 
    Or Jesus words - LOVE YOUR ENEMY?  “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’  But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,..."
     
    Is your failed friend your enemy?? Is your dfd brother from cong. your enemy??
    If it is LOVE HIM.
    If he is not LOVE  HIM. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    WT said this words applied to policeman, inspectors, soldiers, officers .... of secular government ---not elders and judicial committee
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    No, i am not. But i heard that some elders in particular congregation came to knowledge about one bro who have homosexual  inclinations. And they solve that issue by giving him this kind of solution. Be gay, but not have sex with other male.
    Thanks for funny side :)) But i can be sure about your cognitive abilities that you see the point with this verses. All human are sinners, by accident or by half intention or by full intention to doing bad. And according to sinful state of mind and heart, no matter is that sinning last 2-5 seconds, 15 minutes or on daily basis, once a year, or in some other frequency. if Jesus mean literally what he said, then all would have to face judicial committee :)))))
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    We humans can only judge what we see or hear about. Jehovah judges the heart.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Apostate Attack   
    Thank you, Nana Fofana.  I used the Good News Translation, the same as in the video.
    Would not God’s name express authority? Ps 124:8; Prov 18:10; Jer 29:9; Ezek 39:7 and many other instances.
    I can see why it was translated as it was:  In describing “name” in John 5:23, blueletterbible says of its usage:
    “the name is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc.”
    We can see the implication of authority in a name by reading Acts 4:7; Rom 2:24; 2 Thess 3:6; etc.
    Scriptures support its usage when we read other instances where Jesus’ authority is addressed:
    John 5:26,27 - “For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,  and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.”
    Matt 21:24 -  "But Jesus answered and said to them, “I also will ask you one thing, which if you tell Me, I likewise will tell you by what authority I do these things: 25 The baptism of John—where was it from? From heaven or from men?”
    And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ He will say to us, ‘Why then did you not believe him?’ 26 But if we say, ‘From men,’ we fear the multitude, for all count John as a prophet.” 27 So they answered Jesus and said, “We do not know.”
    And He said to them, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I do these things."
     No, he was not seeking honor from men as he says 5:41, but he made it clear that the honor bestowed on him by God must be recognized.  He came bearing the authority, honor and power of the Father. 
    In the same chapter of John, Jesus said:
    “For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.”  John 5:22,23
     “… however, someone comes with his own authority, you will receive him.”
    “… If someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.”
    "There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name (authority) under heaven given to people by which we must be saved.”  Acts 4:12
    Only he has direct authority over us, not an organization and its rulership.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Watcher in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    I once heard a talk about this very thing, many years ago....what on earth does it mean? The brother gave some good insight on it that really helped shed some light on Jesus words. His explanation was that an individual who thinks or looks at another long enough to have sexual desires for that person....usually at some point acts it out. If one is in the habit of [constantly] having sexual fantasies and or  Sexual desires he/she has a high probability of submitting to it.
    The seed of sin has already been planted (looking, longing, fantasizing) within the mind and it is fertilized each time the person in question engages in such thoughts or habits.  Once the root grows deep in the heart....there will be nothing to hold you back. You will act.
    So yes....the person has technically ALREADY SINNED  (Premeditation) before the act itself was ever committed. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Cognitionis in How Common is Shunning?   
    While reading again your comment i found some parallel in OT rules and NT rules. About sinners. If OT congregation found you guilty and found reason to sentenced you in finally way, all congregants would stone the sinner to the dead.
    But in 1 century NT congregations introduced new rules on sinners. They are not using stones any more. They using new the type of weapon. After some judicial process, similar or not to the original way of investigation and judging given by Law, congregant was using in first place - words (to judge person) and after that silence, ignoring, dfd (to stone person).  
    Of course this observation is in err if WT interpretation on NT reports are mistakenly representing how to be applied this or that bible verse. Like their explanation on excommunication was  in 1947 Awake, totally opposite to later standpoint which came to power and is until now.     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Cognitionis in How Common is Shunning?   
    Comparison of religious system is not so bad to do. You respond on my question, asking "Who is closer to Bible truth? JW or Amish?" with one more example of Scientology. Thanks. But, if i agree with you in statement about "only two possibilities"  would i hear your opinion on  the issue Who is closer to Bible instruction about treatment, handling with "sinners" inside congregation?? JW, Amish or Scientology?
    I will ask you the same 3 times. 3 is symbolic number :))))) This is second time asking. hehe
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Cognitionis in How Common is Shunning?   
    We are just humans, and we all have our good and bad. And must be able, have courage to say it.
    This afternoon i was recal one simple and "not important" behaviour in some other every day circumstances. Let me tell you.  The brother from the former assembly often parks his car on the parking lot, near the school where I work. This is a parking lot for my colleague school staff and two other institutions in the same building. He has no right to park there, but he still does. But what is ironic is this. After I left JWorg, he did not want to greet me on the street when we met  each other once, twice. But when his car was "trapped" in the parking lot because the ramp was down, he sent me an SMS message and asked me to help him get out. :)) Hypocrisy or not?
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Cognitionis in How Common is Shunning?   
    I think it is clear. Bible wrote that God has said, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways,"
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Cognitionis in How Common is Shunning?   
    just counting natural things of human life, nothing more or less.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Watcher in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    Quotations from JWorg. It can be on other issue also, but this is also interesting: my comments are in red color.
    "While the Bible disapproves of homosexual acts, it does not condone hatred of homosexuals or homophobia. Instead, Christians are directed to “respect everyone.”—1 Peter 2:17, Good News Translation.
    Question: How JW show respect to everyone if are not willing to say even hello on street to person who is: everyday sinner, in process of cleaning from sin, in the state of repentance and not doing sin, in a process of fighting against own bad desires with more or less success?  
    Can a person be born homosexual?
    The Bible doesn’t comment directly on the biology of homosexual desires, though it acknowledges that we are all born with a tendency to go against what God commands. (Romans 7:21-25) Rather than focus on the cause of homosexual desires, however, the Bible prohibits homosexual acts.
    the Bible speaks of “those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts,” and then it adds: “That is what some of you were.”—1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
    In saying “that is what some of you were,” does the Bible mean that those who stopped engaging in homosexual acts never again experienced any homosexual desires? That could hardly be the case, because the Bible also exhorts: “Keep walking by spirit and you will carry out no fleshly desire.”—Galatians 5:16.
    As to my knowledge from JWorg publications, person who is homosexual is allowed to be baptized and to become member of JW cong as long as he/she not practicing such behavior. In other words, Bro John Doe is a gay, but because he is passive gay or pedophile or ...  (he can have desire, and he have desire) because he have good self control and not practicing sinful desire, he can be invite for lunch in some family with ...minor kids.!?   
    Note that the Bible does not say that a Christian will never experience an improper desire. Rather, it says that he or she will choose not to carry out that desire. Christians learn to bring such desires under control, not dwelling on them to the point of acting on them.—James 1:14, 15. [6]
    The Bible thus makes a distinction between inclinations and practices. (Romans 7:16-25) A person who has homosexual leanings can control what he allows his mind to dwell on, just as he would control any other wrong desire, including leanings toward anger, adultery, and greed.—1 Corinthians 9:27; 2 Peter 2:14, 15.
    While Jehovah’s Witnesses uphold the moral code set forth in the Bible, they do not force their views on others. Nor do they try to reverse laws that protect the human rights of those whose lifestyle differs from theirs. The message that Jehovah’s Witnesses bear is a positive one, and they eagerly share it with all who will listen.—Acts 20:20.
    But Jesus said, someone who have sinful thoughts, desires he already made a sin. No matter did he engaging in act or not. So, this is somehow in opposition to explanation we read before in text by JWorg. So, did someone who have just desire and never done nothing to realized it (he is made sin in mind and heart, and by Jesus words, he is wrongdoer) braking the unwritten law said by Jesus.                 Mat 5:27,28  "You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." 
    Does JW members take a stand about this (statement from Jesus) according to Bible or they need to reconsider rules about this matter? 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Apostate Attack   
    The man in the video you posted was speaking according to the Bible – stressing who Christ is and his importance, while de-emphasizing menÂ’s doctrine.
    And for that, he was silenced. John 16:2
    “You study the Scriptures, because you think that in them you will find eternal life. And these very Scriptures speak about me!  Yet you are not willing to come to me in order to have life.”  John 5:39,40
    “I have come with my Father's authority, but you have not received me; when, however, someone comes with his own authority, (the GB) you will receive him.”  John 5:43
    “False prophets appeared in the past among the people, and in the same way false teachers will appear among you. They will bring in destructive, untrue doctrines, and will deny the Master who redeemed them, and so they will bring upon themselves sudden destruction.  Even so, many will follow their immoral ways; and because of what they do, others will speak evil of the Way of truth.  In their greed these false teachers will make a profit out of telling you made-up stories. For a long time now their Judge has been ready, and their Destroyer has been wide awake!”  2 Pet 2:1-3
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to TrueTomHarley in How Common is Shunning?   
    Be careful in high-fiving @Witness is my caution to you. She tirelessly presents herself here as Jehovah's true annointed - which would make her your new boss.
    Isn't that the 'Who' song?  Meet the new boss - Worse than the old boss!
     
    Outrageous disgusting blatant hypocrisy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for calling our attention to this!
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in How Common is Shunning?   
    We are just humans, and we all have our good and bad. And must be able, have courage to say it.
    This afternoon i was recal one simple and "not important" behaviour in some other every day circumstances. Let me tell you.  The brother from the former assembly often parks his car on the parking lot, near the school where I work. This is a parking lot for my colleague school staff and two other institutions in the same building. He has no right to park there, but he still does. But what is ironic is this. After I left JWorg, he did not want to greet me on the street when we met  each other once, twice. But when his car was "trapped" in the parking lot because the ramp was down, he sent me an SMS message and asked me to help him get out. :)) Hypocrisy or not?
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in How Common is Shunning?   
    Perhaps GB as part of Kingdom administration (Kings , Priests....) have clear and sound position on this question. :))) 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in How Common is Shunning?   
    As it is written in Bible, we have this: 
    1)God made execution or some kind of punishment for ignoring/disobeying Divine Law
    2)Religious people made execution or some kind of punishment for ignoring/disobeying Divine Law
    3)Secular authorities made execution or some kind of punishment for ignoring/disobeying Divine Law principles that are incorporated in Secular Law
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in How Common is Shunning?   
    1 Samuel 14:31-35New International Version (NIV)
    31 That day, after the Israelites had struck down the Philistines from Mikmash to Aijalon, they were exhausted. 32 They pounced on the plunder and, taking sheep, cattle and calves, they butchered them on the ground and ate them, together with the blood. 33 Then someone said to Saul, “Look, the men are sinning against the Lord by eating meat that has blood in it.”
    :)))))) and going to toilet for small or big need is also natural.....
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in How Common is Shunning?   
    By your opinion, in this matter - Who is closer to Bible truth? JW or Amish?   
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in How Common is Shunning?   
    Notice she still has her baby teeth?
     

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in How Common is Shunning?   
    Srecko, how well you have revealed Watchtower's hypocrisy.
    “How horrible it will be for you, experts in Moses’ Teachings and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You are like whitewashed graves that look beautiful on the outside (a charity organization! ) but inside are full of dead people’s bones and every kind of impurity.  So on the outside you look as though you have God’s approval, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness."  Matt 23:27,28 

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