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    Srecko Sostar reacted to TrueTomHarley in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Adam and Eve? Is he cool with them?
    They are not very popular in the university. I am not even sure that they graduated.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Appointed over all Masters belongings - what is real "truth" ?   
    Yes, thanks for put this in focus. If exists Master who have nothing with material possessions and assets, that is Jesus. He was a Man who didn't care about money, real estate, diamonds and gold, position in society etc.
    A Man who gave advice: "sell everything and follow me", must be someone who don't have ANY, NOTHING of material possessions in some secular or religious organization today on Earth.   
    Once more time, once again WT and GB made wrong teaching on Matthew 24:47 by making a mixture of materialist-spiritual interpretation......  for their own benefit.
    Jesus is Son of his Father who OWN and POSSES all earthly treasures. And They not need GB to collect and be in charge on things they already have. Neither today (or from 1919, 2013), nor in the some fictive future. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Appointed over all Masters belongings - what is real "truth" ?   
    I look forward to listening to this.  Knowing the "Master's Belongings" has nothing to do with earthly riches to begin with, shows up the organization as no different from any other organization in the world.
    Christ's words make little impact on men seeking riches.  Luke 4:5-7
    “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”  Matt 6:19-21
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in Appointed over all Masters belongings - what is real "truth" ?   
    What is real truth about  "2013 new light" presented in WT study magazine, that said how Faithful and Discrete Slave aka Governing Body in Bethel HQ in NY were not appointed "over all Masters belongings in 1919 but will be "during great tribulation"? - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20130715/who-is-faithful-discreet-slave/ 
    I found this video material that reveal some interesting elements about this "new light" from 2013. 
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in "Spiritual Paradise in JW comunity", questions from readers   
    There is no spiritual paradise because the food is partially false. The congregations are dangerous places due to Child Sexual Abuse and other problems. There is actually disunity inside of congregations but the Elders try to keep it hidden. I do know that some JWs even take other JWs to 'worldly' courts here in England, one dispute ongoing now is over the ownership of a house that was inherited. And i also know of many cases of adultery and divorce. Woe to any man that enters a KH if he has a good looking wife. ( I am given information that of course i should not have ) 
    Remember Jesus accused the Pharisees of washing the outside of the bowl or dish, to make it appear clean. That is what JWs do with the congregations. They tell the people to dress up smart and have clean cars, they keep the KHs looking tidy with neat gardens.  An outward appearance of being respectable and 'clean'. But not so spiritually. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    @Arauna  I don't think I go back as far as Russell etc, but i do go back the 1960's. That is because it was when I was being taught the 'truth' by JW's. However the 'truth' that I was being taught turned out to be false. So I can base my findings on Facts because I know the situation. 
    And that magazine from 1967 shows how false it was back then. 'The last day of the last days, in fact the last part of the last day' (Not an exact quote but near enough to make the point)
    I do remember @JW Insider saying something like (and I know I will be told he didn't) 'The GB or leaders need to keep saying things to keep the congregants on their toes and keep them busy' (Not a direct quote but the idea is close enough) 
    I would ask all JWs this. Is there a written list of CCJW core teachings, because it seems a phrase that is being 'banded about' here ? 
    And I would love to see a written list of rules past and present too. Such as : No beards. Must wear a tie and jacket.  A brother and a sister should not spend time together when no one else is present. A brother and a sister are not allowed to stay the night in the same house. (but probably two brothers can or two sisters, because the GB don't want to think in that direction). 
    As for the world wide preaching work. How many so called Christian religions are Earth wide ? Lots of them. How many of them produce their own Bible ? Quite a few of them. Back in the early 1960's there were Christian Union people that would do 'ministry work' around the streets here in England. What the CCJW do is not new. The Mormons were / are doing it too. IF the CCJW message in false then they are no better than the others. 
    There is a scripture 2 Peter 3 v 4 :-
    Berean Study Bible
    “Where is the promise of His coming?” they will ask. “Ever since our fathers fell asleep, everything continues as it has from the beginning of creation.”
    BUT the JW Organisation made this promise in 1967 as I've written above. So that makes the Org guilty of stumbling people...... Have an honest think about it.
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from César Chávez in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    I believe how this "guys stuck on the past" are wary, because they are not sure if they can trust an organization that has made false beliefs, doctrines in the past, and never show regret and apologize  to members, become reliable today ?!. 
    How you can believe they are reliable today, when they changing doctrines and interpretations, instructions on an annual basis ?!
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    I believe how this "guys stuck on the past" are wary, because they are not sure if they can trust an organization that has made false beliefs, doctrines in the past, and never show regret and apologize  to members, become reliable today ?!. 
    How you can believe they are reliable today, when they changing doctrines and interpretations, instructions on an annual basis ?!
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in VALLEY OF JEHOSHAPHAT   
    “For behold, in those days and at that time,
    When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem,
    I will also gather all nations,
    And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
    And I will enter into judgment with them there
    On account of My people, My heritage Israel,
    Whom they have scattered among the nations;
    They have also divided up My land.”  Joel 3:1,2
                                                             
    I wanted to get a physical picture in my mind of what the Bible’s “Valley of Jehoshaphat” really looked like.  That is easier said than done, since some historians believe that its true location could be in a valley called Barachah (“blessing”), located eleven miles or more from Jerusalem.  There it is believed that the Judean King Jehoshaphat sought God’s help to defeat the coalition of three enemy Gentile nations.  (2 Chron 20:1)  Then again, it is widely accepted that it refers to a valley within the Kidron Valley, which lies between the ancient Temple mount and the Mount of Olives.  That too, is considered the possible site where Judah was delivered from the enemy nations.
    Many today believe the Kidron Valley will be the focus of a literal judgment of all nations in the world, for their treatment of the physical nation of Israel.  Its location is the site of Jewish tombs on the slopes of the Mount of Olives, and an incredible number of burial sites of professed Christians and Muslims within the valley. I was surprised to learn that people desire to be buried there, where supposedly the resurrection will occur when Jesus is said to walk through the “golden gate” of the temple ruins (based on Zech 14:4
    Still, it is a correct belief by some scholars that Joel’s words refer solely to the time of final judgment, the decision making by God of the righteous and the unrighteous, during Armageddon. (Eccl 3:17; 1 Pet 3:12) “Jehoshaphat means “YHWH has judged”. 
    "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision!
    For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision."  Joel 3:14  
    (Some translations say, "Commotion, commotion"...)
    But, what happened to the three raiding nations that came against Judah during King Jehoshaphat’s reign?  God spoke to the king through the prophet Jahaziel, the son of Zechariah,
    “Listen, all Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem and King Jehoshaphat, thus says YHWH to you: ‘Do not be afraid and do not be dismayed before this great multitude, for the battle is not yours, but God’s.  17 There will be no need for you to fight in this battle. Take your stand! Stand and see the deliverance of YHWH among you, O Judah and Jerusalem! Do not fear and do not be dismayed. Tomorrow go out before them and YHWH will be with you.’” 2 Chron 20:15-17
    God put it in the hearts of the enemy to turn on each other, without Judah lifting one sword.  When the last nation stood alone, “each helped to destroy his comrade”.  2 Chron 20:22,23
    I know it’s hard to imagine for most of us, but we are in the middle of Armageddon.  Our own spiritual choices, affect God’s ultimate decision of our worthiness to receive eternal life, made in the symbolic “valley of decision”.  (Dan 7:9,10; Zeph 3:8; John 12:48; Heb 3:7-11; Rev 20:12) 
    But, before this final judgment is completed by God, a spiritual war is in progress, raging within and outside the organization’s borders.  (Rev 12:7; Eph 6:12; 5:11; 2 Cor 10:3-5; Rev 9:1-4;13:1,6,7;16:13-16; 20: 7-9)
    It is a necessary war between truth spoken by the faithful kings of Christ, and lies pouring out of the mouth of those kings who have fallen from God’s grace.  (Heb 3:12; 12:15; Acts 20:29-30; 1 Cor 11:19; Rev 8:10,11; 13:11,12; 16:13,14)
    They are the “false prophets” of spiritual “Israel” who war against their brothers using lies and deceit. (Matt 7:15; 24:4,5, 24,25; 1 John 3:10; 1 Tim 4:1)
    They have joined forces with a strong “Gentile” Wild Beast, beneficial for dominating, persecuting, and “killing” God’s holy people - the “prophets, sages and scribes” sent to them with the message of Christ’s truth.  (Isa 66:5; Matt 23:34-36; 24:9-12,49; John 16:2; Heb 13:13; Rev 9:1; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:1,5-7,11,15; 11:3,7,8; 18:24)
    Eventually, this massive army will form an alliance with those of “Israel” who still adhere to the organization.  Single-mindedly, they will commit the very act already carried out upon others, the disfellowshipping/”killing” of both spiritual “Jews” and “Gentiles” who wake up to the organization’s lies and hypocrisy.    In this case, ‘each will help to destroy his comrade’. God will put into their hearts to terminate the rulership of the corrupt, deceitful governing “kings”/Harlot.  (Ezek 16:35-37; 38:21; Rev 17:12,13,15-17)
    "For the eyes of the LORD roam throughout the earth to show himself strong for those who are wholeheartedly devoted to him. You have been foolish in this matter. Therefore, you will have wars from now on." 2 Chron 16:9
    Proclaim this among the nations:
    “Prepare for war!
    Wake up the mighty men,
    Let all the men of war draw near,
    Let them come up.
    10 Beat your plowshares into swords
    And your pruning hooks into spears;
    Let the weak say, ‘I am strong.’ ”
    11 Assemble and come, all you nations,
    And gather together all around.
    Cause Your mighty ones to go down there, O Lord.”
    “And when you hear about wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. This must happen, but the end is not yet.  For nation will rise up against nation and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places. There will be famines. These things are the beginning of birth pains.”     Mark 13:7,8
     
    Christ is not the Destroyer. Christ conducts spiritual warfare, with the "sword of his mouth" (Rev 19:15; 1:16; Heb 4:12; Eph 6:17).
    He is King of Truth, and the Battle is with the deceptions of death... the mouth of Satan (John 8:44; 2 Cor 4:4; Rev 12:15; 16:13,14; 20:7,8). 
     Those on the side of truth listen to Christ, and carry forward to completion, Christ's war against the darkness, along with their Lord (Rev 17:14; 119:11-14,8;6:9-11) (Luke 22:69; Matt 28:18; John 18:37; Ps 110:1,2; 1 Cor 15:25).
    Satan's messengers resist, and work to subjugate Truth, and the work of Christ's Ambassadors (Rev 12:7; Eph 6:12; 5:11; 2 Cor 10:3-5).
    God's interest regarding war, is limited to spiritual warfare (Gen 3:15; Rev 12:17,10,11). The obscene and futile warfare of Satan's world, has no place in the purposes of God. That world was abandoned at the beginning, by its own will. That will, and the abandonment which results, will remain undeterred. For good reason, the name of its god, is Destroyer.
    Pearl Doxsey, “What Hope for Satan’s World”
     
    There is a point in this war, where God will say, enough is enough.  (Ezek 7:1-4)
    "Let the nations be wakened, and come up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
    For there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations.
    Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe.
    Come, go down;
    For the winepress is full,
    The vats overflow—
    For their wickedness is great.”  Joel 3:12,13
    “’For look, on the city that is called by My name I am beginning to inflict harm, and you indeed, will you go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am summoning a sword against all the inhabitants of the earth,’ declares YHWH of hosts. And you yourself shall prophesy against them all these words, and you shall say to them:
    ‘YHWH will roar from on high,
        and from His holy dwelling place he will give His voice. (1 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 3:16,17,19; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:21; Rev 11:1-3)
    He will roar mightily against His settlement,
        a jubilant shout like those who tread grapes,
    He will answer against all the inhabitants of the earth.” Jer 25:29,30
     
    “And another angel who had authority over the fire went out from the altar, and he called out with a loud voice to the one who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Send out your sharp sickle and harvest the clusters of grapes from the vine of the earth, because its grapes are at their prime!” And the angel swung his sickle into the earth and harvested the vine of the earth, and threw the grapesinto the great winepress of the wrath of God.” Rev 14:18,19
    Those faithful servants of “Israel” who ride with Christ in this war, remain attached to the vine of truth, spiritually living on the sap of that vine.  (John 15:1,2,4-6,16;16:4,5; 1 Cor 6:17)  
    Yet, the Harlot’s weaponry used against the anointed and all in the organization is in the “wine” she offers, which results in spiritual drunkenness. (Jer 2:21; Deut 32:32,33; Matt 7:15,16; Rom 3:13)
    Her acts of deceit, are well tolerated by the inebriated, who repeatedly excuse and forget her lies, while drinking down another cup of her poisoned wine. (Jer 51:7; 1 Thess 5:6,7; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 14:8; 18:3,4)
     
    I want to share a comment that Pearl made a few years ago, that gives definition to “evil” grapes at their prime:
    The Bible portrays, that it is absorbed into their blood, so that their very soul (Lev 17:11) is the "venom of vipers" (Deut 32:32,33). 
    This is exactly why Christ treads the "winepress". It is to squeeze the falsehood from them. Those marked by “666” are false witnesses. The falsehood filling their souls (symbolized by their blood), will cause the lifeblood they have chosen, to kill them, because they will drown on their own blood. They drown on the lies within them, that Christ must crush at his return. This is such deep symbolism, but every detail of it, applies. Because their blood has become Satan's wine, they will lose their souls. God speaks of the Harlot who channels that "wine", when we read Isa.47:5-7 ...

    5 “O beautiful Babylon, sit now in darkness and silence.
        Never again will you be known as the queen of kingdoms.
    6 For I was angry with my chosen people
        and punished them by letting them fall into your hands.
    But you, Babylon, showed them no mercy.
        You oppressed even the elderly.
    7 You said, ‘I will reign forever as queen of the world!’
        You did not reflect on your actions
        or think about their consequences."

    We will see her fall.

    "30 A horrible and shocking thing
        has happened in this land—
    31 the prophets give false prophecies,
        and the priests rule with an iron hand.
    Worse yet, my people like it that way!
        But what will you do when the end comes?" (Jer.5:30-31)
     
    “And it will happen on that day;
    the mountains will drip new wine,
        and the hills will flow with milk,
        and all the channels of Judah will flow with water.
    A spring from the house of YHWH will come forth,
        and it will water the valley of Acacia Trees.
    19 Egypt will become a desolation,
        and Edom will become a desolate desert,
    because of the violence they did against the children of Judah,
        in whose land they have shed innocent blood.
    20 But Judah will be inhabited forever,
        and Jerusalem for all generations.
    21 I will cleanse their bloodguilt that I did not cleanse,
        for YHWH is dwelling in Zion.”  Joel 3:18-21
     
    Pearl Doxsey – https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
    Labor Pains
    A Hidden Famine, A Hidden Feast
    Spiritual Virginity vs. The Harlot’s Cup/Two Covenants
    666
    The Great Winepress

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Not if he is part of  the "beloved" one, which he is.(Rev. 13:1,2).  The other one he would like to see removed... "decommissioned". (Rev. 13:11,12)  I see you missed that part in my post.🙂              
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Yes @Arauna I can agree with you up to a point about not going that far back but the God's Kingdom Rules book didn't help did it ? (I'm looking at my copy now)
    Printed in 2014, that's not that long ago is it ?    The very first double inner pages. Quote :- 
    "Picture yourself as a member of the Brooklyn Bethel family on Friday morning of October 2, 1914"..........
    And it continues to go on about C. T. Russel.  And a big picture of same.... 
    A lot of that book was about the history of the Organisation that far back. So it seems it was important to the GB to 'talk about it'. Hence others talk about it too.
    Your last paragraph is a minefield if you don't mind me saying so. It's like having a really beautiful car that looks lovely and is so comfortable, but the engine is faulty and unreliable.  The CCJW has lots of very good points, but it's 'engine' is faulty and unreliable. 
    And I was saying that long before that man and his book were being mentioned on here. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    It is very important to know the history (including any false claims and false prophecies made) of the CCJW as @Srecko Sostar shows.
    Quote "Also, think, it is important to know the history of the organization to which someone belongs as an active member, as a person who dedicates his life to the goals of that same organization."
    One big reason is this :-
    The second question for Baptism ;
    Do you understand that your baptism indentifies you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with Jehovah's organisation ? 
    So what intelligent person would hand themselves over to an Organisation that they knew nothing about ?
    It is easy to be deceived because the 'boots on the ground' JWs seem so pleasant.  And the so called Bible Studies, are not such, but they are a book study with some reference to scripture. 
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    It is very common to see an organization say something  such as, "we've been in business since 1956", or "for over 80 years we've served the community".  It is considered as something to be proud of. It incites curiosity, and the Watchtower does the same thing.  Yet, they select what they want the curious one, to find out about its beginnings.   If JWs say, it's not important to go back and research WT's history, what are THEY hiding?  (excluding JWI, because he is a walking WT history book, and has opened his "pages" freely for all to read)
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Dmitar in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    In 2017, the same - Open club and JW members had Closed club. But people, JW people too, participate very much in Open club, because it is more interesting :))
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Also, think, it is important to know the history of the organization to which someone belongs as an active member, as a person who dedicates his life to the goals of that same organization.
    The WT has had several Charters from the beginning (which have changed several times to this day) and in those charters it is written why WT exist and what it wants to achieve.
    These charters, from the first one during C.T. Russell in 1884 to the most recent, it seems to me 2003 (brand new, revised, with amendments, restated) are not quite so available if at all, and many JW's are not familiar with them, nor do they know they exist.
    The emphasis should be on how history is related to the present and vice versa. Is there any doubt that the past of the organization is being revised? In what, how much and why?
    If it is true that God will "pay everyone according to their deeds," then that would mean that our past and present are taken into account, right?
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Anyone, any teacher who teaches/preaches lies, falsehoods – whatever you want to call them – is spiritually immoral.  Any teacher who supports a heritage of false teachers, by quietly removing their lying books yet keeps continuing to highlight the person’s apparent spiritual “integrity”, is an accomplice to sin, to lies.  Nowhere in God’s word, do we find Jesus or the apostles supporting false teachers and the lies they spoke. (Ezek 13:9; Matt 7:15,16; 1 John 4:1; 2 Pet 3:17; 2 Pet 2:1-22)
    Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.  Luke 6:26
    A spiritually “sexual” immoral person is defined by scripture, as a prostitute, a harlot.  Any person who turns a blind eye to a heritage running deep in spiritual immorality, and supports the organization that is guilty of it, is also is a partaker in harlotry. Man’s “ways are not God’s ways”. He expects His people to listen to His word, which condemns false prophets. (Deut 18:20-22) The warnings in scripture are prevalent against turning to falsehoods. There is no leeway, no footnote in the Bible called, “exceptions to the rule”, with the opportunity to label lies as “adjustments”, or “new light”.   The outcome for those who continue on that crooked path, is bleak.  (Prov 10:9; 11:3)
    Not that my opinion matters in the least here, but what I see by the writing of this book is the beginning of another prophesy becoming fulfilled.  Revelation is not about the religions outside of spiritual “Israel”. It addresses God’s servants and their need for repentance. (Rev 3:15-20) The Harlot of Rev 13:11, who “guides”/rides the Beast organization (Rev 13:1) is primed for the Beast/elder body to “eat her flesh and burn her with fire”, which is the premise of Furuli's book.   Pretty much meaning "she"/GB is being “chewed up” and soon to be “spit out” by a coalition of non-anointed elders and a symbolic “ten kings” – anointed who join in the scheme to oust the GB.
    God will put it into their hearts to carry it out.
    “The ten horns you saw (Rev 13:1) are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, (with Christ, Rev 5:19,10) but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
    15 Then the angel said to me, “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish His purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority,(1 Pet 2:9) until God’s words are fulfilled. 18 The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth. (Rev 1:5)”  Rev 17:12-18
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    I absolutely agree. I don't think any of us should need to know that many details about Watchtower history, either. Most history is actually very mundane. But I know that it was a really big deal in Bethel research. Doctrines and other historical facts about the Society often changed incrementally and more details were needed than just what was reflected in the "Publications Index" (Beliefs Clarified). And, as you are surely aware, most of our book-format study publications keep referring back to our own Watchtower history.
    Some people obviously take more an interest in such history than others, and I'm pretty sure you are implying that I take too much interest in the details. But the only time I bring it up is when it might effect our CURRENT beliefs about that history.
    There are also times when people CURRENTLY tend to believe a different version of Watchtower history than the original Watchtower articles tell us. Naturally there is often a reason for these disparities, and the reason is of interest to me.  Even when the Watchtower itself CURRENTLY "rewrites" its history, and there must be a reason for it, and I would think that reason should be of interest to all of us. Is it accidental? Is it to impress? Is it wishful thinking? Is it just something we believe because we trust that someone else before us already did their homework when they didn't? Was someone before us honest, or was it an accidental mistake?
    For example, a person here just claimed that Rutherford became Russell's lawyer first before he became a Bible Student. I don't think this detail should be the least bit important to anyone, whether it was true or not. But I immediately recognized it as wrong. So I am interested in why he would say that. What was the motive? Was it to impress that he has knowledge no one else has? Was it an honest mistake? Does he have information that the Watchtower publications didn't know about? Did he hear or read it from someone and never bothered to check the veracity before repeating it. Was it just a misunderstanding?
    Those of us who take a strong interest in history, also take an interest in how accurately it gets reported and repeated. I like to see what kinds of things get in the way of accuracy. This includes the way people are treated if they bring up a correction, especially how people are excused for repeating false history that tends to support an ideology, and how people are judged for bringing up a correction that tends to go against the "desired" beliefs.
    I do too. That's pretty much exactly what I've been saying about the usefulness of a central body of elders.
    This just means you don't have the same level of interest. I'm sure that's perfectly fine with everyone here. But you might have missed the fact that I never bring up the past unless it has a direct bearing on what is being taught NOW! And it is NOW that we are teaching a NEW doctrine about this that just changed recently. We are teaching that a governing body such as we have NOW was appointed in 1919. Why do we think it is important to keep repeating this? Especially if it is a falsehood? What does this particular falsehood do for us now? Was this falsehood an honest mistake? Was it an unverified repetition of something someone else said? I'm sure you get the picture. It's all about honesty, and doing our due diligence in paying attention to our teaching.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Dmitar in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    G. Losch said: "We are rowing".
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    In 2017, the same - Open club and JW members had Closed club. But people, JW people too, participate very much in Open club, because it is more interesting :))
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    Jesus himself said he did not speak from his own initiative, but only what the Father had taught him, or told him to say. 
    The GB must speak from their own initiative as they are not guided by God's holy Spirit. 
    The things Jesus taught came true or are still coming true.
    The things that the leaders of CCJW have taught over the many years have not come true and have proved to be false. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in JESUS' AUTHORITY VS. STEPHEN LETT'S AUTHORITY   
    When I joined in 2016, it was an open club.  I remember the Librarian told me that everyone was allowed to "have their say".  Now that it is closed, maybe that has changed.  Maybe I am on the "soon to be removed" list.  
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I have barely seen a more stupid chart in my life   
    I believe how we can make consensus about length of any or some particular generation. 
    Surely none of the men that came up out of Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob; because they have not wholly followed me ....... The Lord’s anger burned against Israel and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until the whole generation of those who had done evil in his sight was gone.
    Here we have Bible confirmation how ONE "generation" is 40 years in length, but interestingly in this 40 years generation period WERE people from 20 years of age and upward. Contrary!  Younger (0 year -20 years) people were not a part of, they not CONSTITUTED this particular Generation that have to die in wilderness. Here we have situation how people of all ages lived in the same period of time, but were not part of same "generation".
    Here we have one group of people (who had done evil ), of various ages when all this was occurred. But Bible text called all of them who done evil- generation. Not because they somehow "overlapped" in sense of long period of time as TV preacher David Splane explained "Generation of 1914". No, this people in the wilderness, all of them contribute to "evil thing" in one short, particular moment of their life. And their joint activity made them to be ONE GENERATION, that must die in 40 years. In that context we have GENERATION of 40 years.
    In Noah's generation example is 3x40 = 120 years that God left to people of that period of time. That doesn't mean how every men and woman in Noah's time lived 120 years and then die in Flood. Bible reports speaking of people who lived hundreds of years as normal life span in those period of time.  In Noah example, we don't see separation in terminology: These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. Gen 6 9. Here we have all people, young and old, good and bad to be under same wording - "His Generation".
    In this two examples we see how time length of some particular "generation" in some particular event is changeable and not depend of capacity of how long human life span is in that period of time. Also we see how quality and belongings of one group of people sometimes are separate from each other and sometimes are mixed, together.
    In this two Bible examples we see how ONLY ONE EVENT, for each period, of them is in focus. First is that the Israelites were afraid to enter the Promised Land. Second is Human that not listen to Noah. 
    In Jesus prophecy about Last Days of Jerusalem, we see how all was happen and finished in relatively short period of time. If we "count" from From 33 AD  to 70 AD (37 years), or even less period of time. Perhaps is more important when events (signs) started, when they primarily were, started happening, and not when Jesus did made prophecy (in 33 AD). Because Jesus said: So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 
    https://books.google.hr/books?id=sWv7YVmcpREC&pg=PA106&lpg=PA106&dq=generation+of+40+years+bible&source=bl&ots=JIV_yYY5i2&sig=ACfU3U3cNcNqdC8ZRbCbiriWGcWIh_8_wA&hl=hr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiuhO7u-O7pAhUNr4sKHfWXBeUQ6AEwDnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=generation of 40 years bible&f=false
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Furuli's new book: Is any of it right? Useful? Like Franz?   
    Intelligence is not needed ? Perhaps education is less important,because someone else can read to uneducated people, BUT you need  at least average IQ for understanding world around you and various/specific religious doctrines. :))
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