Jump to content
The World News Media

Srecko Sostar

Member
  • Posts

    4,585
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    75

Reputation Activity

  1. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    I think how two things must be destroyed to dust before.
    1) Priest,Clergy,Lawyer,Client - penitent privilege  
    2) Spiritual Warfare
    .....and then, maybe, we get the answers :)
  2. Like
    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    I tell you what all of us MIGHT do to get the straight scoop ... the low down .. the bird's eye view, and the real nitty- gritty on this caper.
    I have done what I am recommending to you, here and now ... several times in my life, on different issues of serious and pressing concern.
    EACH of us should write a letter to "The Collective Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses," in Warwick, New York, at World Headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses, with a print out of this entire thread, and in the cover letter ask these specific questions, in such a manner that they can be answered in a simple "YES", or "NO"., as well as in narrative form.
    They should have no legal objections to telling the complete and honest, and absolute truth in any reply letter, as the principals are dead, and legally, the dead cannot be slandered, libeled,  or caused any harm.  Besides, there is a clear and present and over- riding reason to tell you the complete truth, and  that is:
    1.)    As men of integrity, their oath to Jehovah God demands that they tell the truth, when asked, and
    2.)    it will inspire confidence in any fact that the Governing Body DOES tell the truth, which currently, and for many years now, has been in legitimate and serious question.
    And there are certainly many other reasons  that the average ten JWs could list, if they cared about the real history of how we got to be where we are today, and just basically want to know TRUTH for the sake of truth.
    After the letter is composed, written, and assembled with reference material, three complete copies should be made,
    1. A copy to be kept at home as a permanent record, and
    2.) The original sent by certified mail, return receipt requested to the Collective Governing Body at Watchtower Headquarters, and
    3.)    A copy sent by certified mail, return receipt requested, to the Collective Body of Elders at your Kingdom Hall, if you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, or if not, to the Religion Editor of the local newspaper, and
    4.)   A copy to be kept unopened, sent by certified mail, return receipt requested, to yourself.
    Enclose, whether you are a JW or not, a personal check for $25.00 as a donation.
    Now, sit back and wait , for in about three months, you will have all your questions answered.
    Over the years, I have actually done this several times for various issues that concerned me, ( before the Society relocated to Warlick, New York) .
    Results may vary, but at least you will know, that the GB are honest men of integrity, and devoted to TRUTH.
    ..... or not.
    Total cost ....  a full day of your time, and about $45 ... as they WILL cash the check.

     
     
  3. Like
    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    I don't think he fared "poorly", as after three days of fake comfort anything they had to say was so irrelevant that it was not recorded in Scripture.
    They just had nothing to say to contribute to his dire circumstances in a positive way, even though that is supposedly why they were there.
    .... a VERY common phenomenon.
  4. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    There you go with those pesky assumptions again.  I know this is what you are fed by those in power above you. "All who disagree with what the wt says, must be full of hate and malice towards jws. " It is the classic mantra of those who want to keep you under control.
    "Do not look behind the curtain!" - the great Oz. 
    I'll tell you what Arauna, if I were here to spread hate, there would be plenty more of it. The fact of the matter is that you and I are very similar, we both want to open each others eyes. 
    That's just not true. 
    I believe that the majority of people are very much capable, but give their reasoning over to others to decide for them, its easier that way for some.  
  5. Like
    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The Watchtower and the Colored people   
    Quote  @Arauna  " Probably the most superficial posting here on this forum because there is no concept of historical context.   Always placing old articles and using modern laws and attitudes to  defame Jws "
    Historical concept :-   Acts 10 v 34 & 35. 
    34  At this Peter began to speak, and he said: “Now I truly understand that God is not partial, 35  but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.   Add to this that :- Act 5 v 9 Berean Literal Bible
    But Peter and the apostles answering said, "It is necessary to obey God rather than men.   Now put those two together and you will get.   If we are to serve GOD properly we must treat all people, of any colour, equally, because this is what God tells us to do. Even if it means disobeying the laws of men.    ANYONE guided by Holy Spirit would have known what was the right and wrong of it all.    Stop making excuses for the Bible Students and early Witnesses.     
  6. Like
    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    @Anna  I don't think you answered the situation where by a person LEAVES the JW Org because they know about the disgusting things that go on in it, such as Child Sexual Abuse Earthwide. And they know about the false teachings which have been made so clear on this forum. And they do not want to teach lies to members of the public. 
    What is your opinion then of such a person that leaves the JW Org of their own free will ? 
    If they are to be treated as a 'tax collector' or a 'person of the nations' then shouldn't JWs talk to them ?
    Jesus spoke to and ate meals with such ones. 
     
    Quote @Anna  " The basics are in the Bible, for anyone to see "
    But JWs have to obey the GB's / JW Org rules, so your comment doesn't help. 
     
  7. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    Yes, Anna. I found, how it is unreasonable, out of common sense, not to have normal conversation of two human, or at least, as minimum to say, Hallo. Sometimes it would depend on in what relations they were before, of course.  
    When you mentioned, Christians 24/7, i suppose how that would include to "love the enemy" as Jesus said. If some JW member want to "love his enemy" in Jesus' context of teaching, i guess how dfd or dis member are not consider to be worst than "the enemy, men from nation" ?! :)) Or is he/she?
    If we go so far in conclusions about some bro/sis, perhaps it will be good to remind self how sort of "final judgement" for all of us will be in some future time, i guess, and not now. And process subject in that "judgement" will not be because we belonged or not belonged to particular religion, now, but because of some other issues. 
    Below is quote from WT publication what JW believes it is Judgmental Day.
    (Judgment Day will be not only a time of instruction from God but also a time for those alive to apply what they learn and enjoy the blessings that result.) - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201001/what-is-judgment-day/.
  8. Haha
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    ..... is this one more of points on a list of "clarifications" about "The Truth" :))
  9. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    It is interesting how from time to time, from post to post some unanimous individuals falling from some unknown Planet, and start giving down-vote symbol to other people comments.   :))))) 
    This is funny, but also very good. Because their reaction are proof how they read comments and found it serious to such level that they (comments) in fact pressed right bottom in people's minds and feelings. 
  10. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    :))) you are not a person who speaks things that are not true ...... only things you believe it is true, but you claiming funny thing with this. 
    Please go to JW library, link below, and you will not find nothing about this elder's book, or pioneer's book ....they don't exist for public.
     https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/56506
     
  11. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Watchtower and the Colored people   
    I am sorry, but this way of reasoning, contra-arguments and logic not working so well. 
     
    Obviously God did not inspire those paragraphs
    With this argumentation, do you try to say how some other paragraphs are inspired by God??
     
    Nevertheless, you shouldn't judge dead people by the morals of today.
    Perhaps you are right in this. But than you have to accept how today's people shouldn't be judge by morals of past  generations. What moral standards and from what past period of time we should to take as our moral standards today? Should we take moral standards of ancient patriarchs who had been in possession of few wife's and plenty of slaves? Because that was quite morally for people in the past. 
     
    You probably have an ancestor that believed something similar yourself.
    We all have ancestors.
     
     
  12. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    Dear @Arauna , nothing in my comments are written because of hate. Just try to openly discussing about religious practice and reasons for such beliefs and practice. 
  13. Thanks
    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    Some good points there Srecko.
    It was obviously God who decided when it was ok to kill, based on laws that superseded the command not to kill. The question then is, when it comes to shunning, who decides when it's ok to shun and when it is not ok? Or is there something that supersedes the command to shun? First I want to address this comment you made:
    I understand the parallels you are trying to draw. There are many examples in history of family members disowning other family members, cutting them off as if the other person no longer exists. In these instances it is humans that make their own personal law. Sometimes it's based on understandable reasons, (extreme evilness on the part of the one who is being disowned) and sometimes on purely frivolous grounds (used as blackmail). Of course there are many many different reasons, too many to mention.
    I suppose this sounds reasonable. Usually when this situation occurs, the person is not in a disfellowshipped state.
    I have often thought about this problematic and I have still not found satisfactory justification for some of these actions.
    I can understand that a person guilty of breaking the Bible's commands and not repenting, or changing, should not be a part of the congregation. The congregation must be kept clean, otherwise Jesus "could vomit it out of his mouth". (Rev 3:16) He says "All those for whom I have affection, I reprove and discipline. So be zealous and repent" (Rev 3:19). And  "‘Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first. If you do not, I will come to you, and I will remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent". (Rev 2:5) and “‘Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, that you have there those adhering to the teaching of Baʹlaam......  So repent. If you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will war against them with the long sword of my mouth" 
    I think just those few scriptures in Revelation show clearly Jesus' feelings about keeping the congregation morally and spiritually clean. We also have Paul's counsel. However, we know that those who have not repented are not thrown out of the congregation literally, but symbolically. They can still attend the meetings if they want. But they cannot participate and speak to anyone. Why? Because they have been disfellowshipped. So in this sense they have been "removed" BUT by being able to still go to meetings they are able to receive Jehovah's instructions and come to repentance, and then be welcomed back. Now imagine if this person had literally been thrown out, and was not allowed to put foot inside the KH. How would they be able to "repent and come back"? How would that work in practice? So in this sense, disfellowshipping is a merciful and loving provision, because the person is still able to receive spiritual instruction. But if they weren't disfellowshipped, and everyone would speak with them, then there would be no difference at all would there? Now the questions I ask is, it makes sense for the congregation, but how is it outside the congregation? This is where I find the difficulty. There are several things to consider. One is; are we Christians only inside the congregation, or are we Christians 24/7? Obviously we are Christians all of the time. So we could argue that whatever applies inside the congregation should also apply outside of it. Then there is the family. Frequently there is a misunderstanding in what family means. The broad definition is "a group of people who share common ancestors" a more usual definition is "group of people that may be made up of partners, children, parents, aunts, uncles, cousins and grandparents" then the classic definition, and the ones JW mean when they say family is; "a group consisting of parents and children living together in a household" It's also called the nuclear family. We know that members of a household or nuclear family are not shunned. Only those living outside the household. 
    I am ok with that, but I think that associating with family living outside the household should be left up to conscience, (your first conclusion). That is just my opinion.
    So is there something that supersedes the command to shun? (this is for anyone to answer, not just Srecko)
     
     
     
     
    The basics are in the Bible, for anyone to see
  14. Like
    Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    there really shouldn't be, especially if you read the whole sentence I wrote. Here, I'll save you the time from searching for it:
    I find jw's foolish because they follow the ideas of men, which changes to suit those in the power tower. 
    lol,   we......lol
  15. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Shiwiii in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    Dear @Arauna , nothing in my comments are written because of hate. Just try to openly discussing about religious practice and reasons for such beliefs and practice. 
  16. Haha
    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    I am personally glad the comments and replies are getting SHORTER!
  17. Like
    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    You seem to be indicating that I don’t think there are “true”, authentic anointed in the organization.  Have I ever said that, or have I repeatedly drawn attention to their existence among JWs?  Unless….you are referring only to the GB as “true” anointed and disregard all other anointed, which wouldn’t surprise me. 
    I do believe the GB were anointed, but they have lost any Holy Spirit they had once received.  THEY now direct their false priesthood to carry out “covert extremism” to shun those who will not accept their tainted version of “truth”.  As my comment brought out, it is they who should be shunned. 
    It is very sad that you joke about God’s word and the man who spoke them.
     
     
  18. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    All Jehovah's Witnesses are equal.
    ... but some are more equal than others.
    They get the secret books.
  19. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    Start at about 4.30
     
  20. Downvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in The Watchtower and the Colored people   
    I am sorry, but this way of reasoning, contra-arguments and logic not working so well. 
     
    Obviously God did not inspire those paragraphs
    With this argumentation, do you try to say how some other paragraphs are inspired by God??
     
    Nevertheless, you shouldn't judge dead people by the morals of today.
    Perhaps you are right in this. But than you have to accept how today's people shouldn't be judge by morals of past  generations. What moral standards and from what past period of time we should to take as our moral standards today? Should we take moral standards of ancient patriarchs who had been in possession of few wife's and plenty of slaves? Because that was quite morally for people in the past. 
     
    You probably have an ancestor that believed something similar yourself.
    We all have ancestors.
     
     
  21. Haha
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Leander H. McNelly in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    It is interesting how from time to time, from post to post some unanimous individuals falling from some unknown Planet, and start giving down-vote symbol to other people comments.   :))))) 
    This is funny, but also very good. Because their reaction are proof how they read comments and found it serious to such level that they (comments) in fact pressed right bottom in people's minds and feelings. 
  22. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from JW Insider in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    Dear @Arauna , nothing in my comments are written because of hate. Just try to openly discussing about religious practice and reasons for such beliefs and practice. 
  23. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    It is interesting how from time to time, from post to post some unanimous individuals falling from some unknown Planet, and start giving down-vote symbol to other people comments.   :))))) 
    This is funny, but also very good. Because their reaction are proof how they read comments and found it serious to such level that they (comments) in fact pressed right bottom in people's minds and feelings. 
  24. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in You shall not murder vs You shall not shun   
    :))) you are not a person who speaks things that are not true ...... only things you believe it is true, but you claiming funny thing with this. 
    Please go to JW library, link below, and you will not find nothing about this elder's book, or pioneer's book ....they don't exist for public.
     https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/lv/r1/lp-e/0/56506
     
  25. Upvote
    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Information Control: JWs form a barricade at JW Melbourne protest to keep rank and file JW's from seeing "apostate" signs   
    Dear @Arauna , nothing in my comments are written because of hate. Just try to openly discussing about religious practice and reasons for such beliefs and practice. 
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Service Confirmation Terms of Use Privacy Policy Guidelines We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.