Israeli Bar Avaddhon

We are now very close to the great tribulation!
A brother of the betel was concluding his speech when he made the following comment: " Be intensely busy with the word of God," I would like listening very carefully. We who are in Betel we are privileged to work with the faithful and discreet slave and with the body of directors and I wish know you how he feels the body of directors about the time we live now in this system of things.
The faithful slave feels that it is already happened to the Matthew 24:14 prophecy: "quest for good news the kingdom's be preached in all the inhabited earth."
What does the party later this word? He says that ... then the end will come.
He knew you that there are only three countries in the world where there are no Jehovah's Witnesses?
ONLY 3 countries!
Somalia, North Korea and Afghanistan ...
This does not mean that there does not reach the in our literature to but just that there are not Jehovah's Witnesses. I had mentioned earlier to some friends and they wanted to know why there are no Jehovah's Witnesses in these countries. I 'll tell you the reason.
Jehovah does not send his people to any place where he knows that van there! * (See footnote)
But in these three countries the good news have already been published (I guess it refers to the fact that literature is still available).
Matthew 14, Luke 21, Mark 13, as well as Revelation 6: these words are ending (?)
So what is the biblical prophecy that still has to fulfill?
You know what?
The read for you.
See Revelation 17: 15-17 - (read the prophecy)
The faithful slave is waiting for the day Jehovah will put this thought into their hearts.
This is the next prophecy that must be fulfilled. For those who know what it means, this will cause the great tribulation.
Once this is fulfilled , the door will be closed (in a spiritual sense).
Whatever thing you did, you can not go back.
"I could have done this or that if I had more time."
Now is the time!
How will you spend the time you stay?
For what are you working or are you committed ?
- in higher education?
- you are struggling to get more money and material goods?
- you are engaged in the distractions of the world?
Or are you undertake to favor the kingdom.?
We do things urgently, we try to be quick! (Story running on facebook between of various witnesses of Jehovah accounts)
  I want to point out that the aforementioned text is the translation of the translation of a translation and then of specific phrases may have been distorted sense. Apart from that, however, the general sense of the discourse is clear. Assuming that they are not the ravings of some overzealous brother (which still brings out what they believe, more or less openly, many Jehovah's Witnesses), the meaning is as follows. The prophecies have almost all been fulfilled.  
The preaching was completed.  
We are just waiting for the fall of Babylon the Great.  
  Our expectations are really in harmony with God's Word?   That's it? Some brother more in later years and with a good memory will recall that statements like these (views from different angles) have already been made in the past. Without wishing to be too argumentative, beyond the past mistakes, it is clear that sooner or later you have to get to the point where it will begin the great tribulation, will fall Babylon the Great, and you will enter the Millennial Kingdom. The fact we were wrong in the past, more than once, this in itself does not prove that you're wrong again. Could it really be so and definitely not wrong to keep alive the sense of urgency - compare Matthew 24:42; Revelation 16:15 Beyond, however, the "hint" that each of us can have, the only thing we should do is search the scriptures to try to understand "what extent we are old" in reference to biblical prophecy. It is true: if we take the writing of Matthew 24:14 and we make an analysis of the presence of our brothers in the world, probably we would come to the same conclusion of the aforesaid brother in the introduction of this article (always assuming that the report is credible). The question, however, end here? Being such an important subject, it would be no need to also examine other scriptures to see if you dial a credible framework or if "something is not right"? Moreover, as the same "slave" has admitted, they are not inspired and therefore we would like to build on something more than a simple "I want you to know how you feel the governing body about the time we live in." The Bible is not "imperfect spiritual food", does not lend itself to corrections or rewards, does not change with time and definitely do not mind - John 17:17; Romans 3: 4; James 1:17; Titus 1: 2 Obviously you are not suggesting that the interpretations of this blog are infallible; far from it. You simply want to emphasize that the Bible is always to have the last word and so we must look for answers there, not in our desires or people that we value - Matthew 4: 4 Some do not even accept the possibility that even those who are taking the lead can go wrong (as if they were human beings). For some to question the statement "slave" is an indication of lack of respect and submission but this is a myopic view of the situation. We know that many times the people of God fed wrong expectations about the future and about the will of God - compares Isaiah 28: 14-19 They were the people of God but this, in itself, did not guarantee the protection and the priests themselves, more often, showed a complete ignorance of the Scriptures - John 3:10 This also happened with good intentions and the best people - compares 1 Samuel 16: 7 Considering the biblical past, trying to see what the Bible says to beyond the proclamation and to everyone who comes , is not it the best? - 1 Thessalonians 5:21; Romans 15: 4; 2 Timothy 3:16, 17 The Lord Jesus Christ himself, the one who was the wisest of all men , and that he could speak of his own initiative, not perhaps did the same? - Matthew 4: 4-10 Questioning certain statements (not for bias, of course) is not a lack of respect towards the index "slave"; on the contrary, it shows profound respect for the one true authority of God's Word - Psalm 31: 5; Acts 17:11 Let us examine the claim that the prophecies would almost all be fulfilled, and we just have to wait the fall of Babylon the Great. The officer says that understanding God's Kingdom was established in heaven in 1914, by 1918 the heavens were purified, in 1919 the heavenly resurrection began (as well as the purification of the people of God) and so on. Perhaps there is some error in this generalization also because of the constant "adjustments" (adjustments that change the periods of a few months, ever the concepts) but roughly this is what you believe.

In this article you will see just how the logic and writing can corroborate or invalidate these ideas. The official explanation identifies the slaughtered head of death Revelation 13: 3 as the Anglo-American empire. It is true that the book that lists this explanation (the Revelation Its Grand Climax) has now been withdrawn but there is nothing new on the horizon that, until there is a different explanation, this is the ultimate understanding accepted. As we saw this explanation is problematic because the Anglo-American empire, according to official explanations, is the "king of the South" described in the Bible book of Daniel. However in Daniel is the king of the north to win the last war, and so it is obvious that something is not right - Daniel 11: 40-45 Of course we can not say that Daniel and Revelation contradict, does not it? To focus with Daniel Revelation there are only two possibilities. Or the Anglo-American empire is actually the king of the north ** (see note below) or head slaughtered to death that you see in Revelation can not be the Anglo-American empire. Does not it seem logical reasoning? How can the Anglo-American empire (and be the king of the south) if Daniele does understand that the last ruling king, or what will be defeated by Michele, is the king of the north? In Revelation we do not see another political power that defeats the beast that ascends from the sea. After the Great War (which can also have multiple stages), do not talk about other human wars in Revelation, right? - 1 Thessalonians 5: 3 The last war we are talking about and who participates in this beast is against the God Almighty - Revelation 16: 10-14, 16 The conclusion is logical. Apart from the fact that the end will come when the preaching has reached "all the inhabited earth" before this you will see the clash between the king of the north and the king of the south. And must win the king of the north, of course. In the last World War he has probably won the king of the north as well as to assert that "we just have to wait over the fall of Babylon the Great"? Absolutely no. The last king of the north was the Third Reich and, during the battle against the king of the south (the Anglo-American empire, in fact) it came out defeated. This is a prophecy that still has not been fulfilled and it is more than enough to establish that it is not enough that the preaching arrivals in these last three remaining countries. Among other things, the writing of Matthew 24:14 does not give any basis for determining how long the good news has to take place in a given country in order to receive adequate testimony. If tomorrow our brothers  they come in those nations and begin to preach ... how much time would pass until God considered adequate and sufficiently complete that testimony? The answer is simple: we do not know . However, although that has yet to burst the war between the king of the north and king of the south, it is conceivable that in the meantime there are other prophecies that have to be fulfilled or are being fulfilled, is not it? As we have seen in several previous articles before the war should emerge a certain persecution of brothers (you have tribulation, but is not yet the great tribulation ) because the king of the north must start to suppress the daily sacrifice (the preaching work ) until you get to completely suppress it - see Daniel 8: 10-12, 24, 25 In our recent past, the preaching work was perhaps suppressed completely, which it did by means of the king of the north? According to the prophecy, and this must be done only during the last years of the scheme of things it must have a last impulse - compares Revelation 10:11; 14: 6, 7 E 'at this point that the preaching work will reach the ends of the earth, and this will happen very quickly - Zechariah 4: 6 The total suppression of preaching did not happen even during the Second World War and certainly did not happen in all countries; Also this leaves well understand that it is a prophecy to come. There is much more to say but the above should be sufficient, even for those who disagree with the explanations of this blog, to reflect that the Great, "you can not expect only the fall of" Babylon. Who has respect for the Bible itself to be shaped by it. Of course what has been said does not want to show that the end will come "who knows when." In contrast, recent international events suggest that we are far ahead in the end time  All the events described above will occur in a very short time so when we can really begin to come to "raise high head" - Luke 21:28 Those who have lifted up their heads in 1914 all died with a stiff neck but when these things begin to take place (such as the war between the king of the north and king of the south) we can do it peacefully because of this incident until the actual fall of Babylon the Great (which will not be the world empire of false religion ) will spend a maximum of ten years. So us ensure that our expectations are in harmony with the Word of God not to be disappointed - Isaiah 28:16 Us ensure that our expectations are in harmony with the Word of God to be prepared for what's to come and not discouraged - 2 Peter 1:19; Proverbs 24:10 Us ensure that our expectations are in harmony with the Word of God, ultimately, for our lives - Matthew 7:24, 25     The Bible traces the path. It will not lead to disappointment.   Footnote. * The translation was not very clear. ** From previous articles we saw that the Anglo-American empire is indeed the king of the south.

Regardless of the fact that I do not share much of the Governing Body's explanation, when did the time for Jerusalem's destruction approach them, they did not have to stand up and go? Did not they have to do something practical and immediately even if they were old and sick?
From what little I understood (little: I used the translator) would not it have been enough that they had faith in Jehovah?
Since Jehovah is Almighty and can protect His people in any circumstance, Christians of the first century could also decide not to leave Jerusalem, no?
Obviously there are many other things to say.
The instructions come from the Word of God (and will not come from a divine inspiration) so it is important to study the Bible to understand what we must do when approaching the Armageddon War.
But many of us believe they have understood everything and are not allowed to discuss or look.
They wait for instructions from others.

Everyone can say what he wants. However, the order of events is well described in Revelation.
At the end of Armageddon Satan is bound and thrown into the abyss - Revelation 20: 1-3
The first resurrection is completed - Revelation 20: 4-6
At the end of a thousand years, Satan is dissolved to divert the nations to the four corners of the earth and finally thrown into the lake of fire - Revelation 20: 7-10
Then the resurrection of the dead takes place - Revelation 20: 11-15
It is not difficult to understand the order of events if we read the text without preconceptions.
There is no mention of "real life" or "fake life".
the resurrection takes place at the end of the millennium.
Obviously someone will say that Revelation "is not written in chronological order" but this is not logical.
In Revelation one speaks of the seven seals of the scroll that the Lamb opens.
The seals are in chronological order.
So we talk about the seven trumpets and also these are in chronological order
The "governing body" says that they are not in chronological order
In fact, the seventh trumpet would be played in 1914 while the sixth in 1922 or so (now I do not remember precisely).
Meanwhile, the meaning of sixth and seventh is not logical.
"Sixth" does not only indicate the number of the trumpet but also that it sounds after the fifth and before the seventh.
I have compared other translations and all give the same meaning.
Moreover, it is a scriptural problem because the apostle Paul, speaking precisely of this trumpet (that is, the one concerning the resurrection of the dead) he defines it "the last trumpet" - 1 Corinthians 15:52 (compare with Revelation 11: 15; 12: 1).
So if the seventh trumpet played in 1914, and it is the last one, this means that the other trumpets must have played previously.
Instead, if we simply read what is written, the trumpets are sequential (regardless of the start date you want to give) and eventually the "cups of the wrath of God" are sequential.
So the question is: if the seals, the trumpets and the cups are sequential (and we come up to chapter 16 of Revelation) with what logic can we say that the rest of the book is not in chronological order?
Thus, if we read the order of the events of Revelation of chapter 19, we understand exactly that "the rest of the dead did not come to life until (ie: until the moment in which") the thousand years are finished ".
Now start with the controversy as well.
For me, the Bible, it is the only authority.
 

Chapters 19 and 20 of Revelation will unveil some significant details about the war of Armageddon and what will happen next. These details will include two major changes to the current understanding and, just as happened with the identity of Babylon the Great, this "change of vision" will be a real stumbling block for many Jehovah's Witnesses. These chapters will be examined in the next article but, faced with such a serious change of understanding for two other subjects, it was decided to treat them separately in the light of the whole Scripture. First of all we must realize that the Revelation speaks of the resurrection at the end of the millennium, and not during the millennium. This will be dealt with in detail in due course. For the moment ... accept this possibility only to make the theme of this article comprehensible, which must answer the question, in fact, "which nations disappear in Armageddon?". It is clear that here we return to the usual "problem" if the book was written in chronological order or not but meanwhile we saw that the 7 seals are sequential, the 7 trumpets must be sequential (the apostle Paul calls the seventh trumpet "the last trumpet") and so also the seven cups of the wrath of God. If all this is sequential ... is it consistent to think that just the last chapters are not? Let's try to read the whole chapter 20 of Revelation and follow the order of events. Satan is dissolved from his prison, then misleads the nations that are at the corners of the earth, these surround the field of saints and then are killed by fire coming down from the sky. After this event, the death and hades return the dead that are in them - Revelation 20: 11-13 The writing of Revelation 20: 4 says that the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were over. "Until" means "up to the moment" and not "during" and this would mean that in these thousand years the elect would rule on the survivors of Armageddon and their families, but not the resurrected ones. The same term, "until", used in Matthew 1:25, we have always used it to show that Joseph did not have relations with his wife Marie until the birth of the child. This should be sufficient to show that the resurrection will take place after the end of the millennium, a concept that seems to be reaffirmed in verses 12 and 13. We will go deeper into these verses but now let's focus on these "rebels" who attack the people of God. Who are they and where did they come from? Revelations 20:7-10 says... "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 Â and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Ma?gog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9  And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them.+ 10  And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast+ and the false prophet already were;+ and they will be tormented* day and night forever and ever". At the end of a thousand years, Satan is dissolved to "mislead those nations that are in the four corners of the earth" and gathers them to war. It seems really incredible that something like that happens! Is it possible that in the new world people still organize themselves in political nations, that create divisions and that even attack the part of that people remained faithful? This is the first hypothesis and roughly represents the current intention. Before thinking that it is nonsense ... is it possible to hypothesize that during the Armageddon war a part of the earth is spared also to allow the survival of the people of God? In several parts of the Bible it is said that during the time of judgment his faithful people escapes finding shelter to Edom, Moab and Ammon (which by the way are also the cities spared from the world war) - Compare for example Daniel 11:41 with Isaiah 16: 4; Psalm 108: 8-10 with Jeremiah 40: 10, 11 These three nations (Edom, Moab and Ammon) were mountainous / hilly and this recalls the words Jesus spoke to his disciples - Matthew 24: 15, 16 Does Scripture warn all Christians in the world to flee to the nearest mountains as soon as they see the disgusting thing about Israel? Indeed, if the destruction of Babylon the Great gave rise to Armageddon (as we have seen) and not to the great tribulation, "fleeing the mountains" would mean that Jehovah would save these mountains by force of things. In fact these "mountains" could be a specific locality of the earth where Jehovah will lead his people just before Armageddon. This or these locations would then be "preserved by judgment". It would not be the first time that Jehovah, in his love and mercy, avoids destroying a certain people because of his servants. According to the account of Genesis 19:21, 22, the angels of Jehovah avoid destroying Zoar for consideration of Lot, and yet, from what is understood by reading the whole story, that "little city" was part of Sodom or Gomorrah and therefore had to be destroyed. The war of Armageddon actually destroys the satanic system composed of the wild beast, the false prophet and his supporters. All those nations that are compact in fighting against the Lamb also fall. The vast majority of people die in this war because blinded and branded by the wild beast but will die all those who are not Christians? The Philadelphia congregation is told that "it would be preserved by the test that must come on the entire inhabited earth" and that this can be done at least hypothesizes that some Christians find shelter in a "free zone" - Revelation 3:10 If we can hypothesize this, then the nations that at the end of the millennium decide to attack the people of God, could be born from these surviving strains. Why, in fact, would you make a distinction between them and "the field of saints"? Are not all the inhabitants of the new world "saints"? In the new world will there be a "field of saints" and a "field of non-saints"? Another confirmation could come from the very protection of Jerusalem above; it is said to "fly in the desert" far from the face of the serpent. When Satan tries to make her drown "the earth comes to her aid" and this means that at least until the last moment of divine judgment there is still a "stable" part of the world - Revelation 12:15 This could also explain why the resurrection does not take place during this millennium; simply because you are not yet in that new world that we imagine even if it will already be a new world and you will already have many reasons to be happy. We should probably make a distinction between "millennial reign" (which will bring many blessings to faithful humanity) and "new world" that will begin after the resurrection, at the moment when Christ returns the kingdom to his God and Father. This period could simply be a period of transition during which human beings can live in peace without the influence of Satan and under the guidance of divine teaching for all those who wish to obey. In fact, one of the questions Satan raised in the Garden of Eden was precisely if man was able to govern himself but man, with the interference of Satan, he never really ruled alone.       Can man direct his steps without God and without Satan? Also to this we must answer   This is related to the words of Revelation 20: 3; Satan is bound "not so misleads the nations" and that it is necessary to give definitively answer to the issue raised in Eden. However, if all the nations were destroyed at Armageddon ... how could he mislead them? Would it make sense to say that Satan is bound to keep the nations that no longer exist? Possible nations in the four corners of the earth, born of this spared stock, could show if man is really able to govern himself in favorable conditions, that is without the influence of Satan. After this last human rebellion, which will have consciously shown that they prefer Satan's government to that of Jehovah, both Satan and disobedient humanity will be eliminated forever. Only after the resurrection of the dead and after their judgment "death and Ades will be thrown into the lake of fire" and therefore we should assume that, throughout the millennium, despite having favorable conditions, we will continue to age and die? It is unthinkable because the anointed rulers will fulfill their priestly functions by expiating the sin of humanity and thus preventing the death of their subjects. Death that, however, will always be lurking and not yet permanently eliminated until the end of the millennium. It will be "the last enemy" to be eliminated in fact, if at the end of the millennium there will still be "enemies to be eliminated" (the nations surrounding the holy field), this should demonstrate that the resurrection, and therefore the definitive elimination of death, it will happen only after that event - I Corinthians 15:26 In this regard the writing of I Corinthians 15:24, 25, if read carefully, seems to specify the order of events, that is, Jesus Christ will deliver the Kingdom to his God and Father when he has reduced to nothing "every government and every authority and power". Obviously if every government and every authority and power were reduced to nothing during the war of Armageddon, He (Jesus Christ) should deliver the government at that very moment, that is, when he had just taken power. Let's reread these last six lines and try to understand their meaning even if "this meaning" goes out blatantly against our most deeply rooted convictions. Verse 25 says ... "For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet". This would seem to mean that there will still be enemies during the millennial reign. So the Kingdom ruled by Christ will be a temporary provision to Jehovah's praise to bring humanity back to perfection and this can also include the destruction of the last governments, authorities and powers, which will ultimately refuse to submit - Revelation 20: 8     Who will truly surround the "field of saints"?     In Ezekiel chapter 38 the verses from 8 on wards it is said that attention will be paid to Gog of Magog after "many days" and therefore suggests that these had been left out that is not taken into account or spared during of judgment. Does not it seem a contradiction that Gog of Magog exists at the end of the satanic system of things and exists again in the new world at the end of the millennium? Does it not reflect that this "coalition of nations" always has the same name and indeed, in the description of Ezekiel, does not the subject change at all? If Gog of Magog is a coalition of nations, does not it seem strange that nations are formed under the reign of Christ? It is a contradiction only if we take for granted that all governments and all people are really destroyed in Armageddon. Evidently Gog of Magog does not exist again but it still exists (ie it has never ceased to exist). If "pay attention to him" after many days it means that they are always theirs and the "many days" are all the years of the millennial reign. Gog of Magog always has the same name because it is always the same subject. The people who "accumulate wealth and property" are obviously the people of God (the "field of saints" according to Revelation) and this indicates the many blessings that God's people will have during the millennial reign and the contrast with other peoples (why specify that there is a people that accumulates wealth if all accumulate the same riches?). Blessings that, apparently, will not have Gog of Magog otherwise there would be no such contrast and there would be no reason to feel envy - Ezekiel 38:12; compare Proverbs 10:22 Why, moreover, would there be this contrast with those who "do not even bar and doors" if we are all in a new world of peace, without thieves or other criminals? - Ezekiel 38:11 If read simply for what it is, the scripture really seems to indicate that, during the millennial reign of Christ, there still exist peoples who have bars and doors and are evidently those who have never been interested in the will of God for whom they must put " bars and doors" and pay attention to their own brothers. The events related to Gog Magog, described in chapters 38 and 39 of Ezekiel, are full of interesting details but one of the things that stands out right now is the distinction between them and Israel. It therefore seems that Israel, or the holy people of God, will live together with these other peoples for a thousand years - Ezekiel 39: 6, 7 At this point the writing of Isaiah 2: 2-4 acquires a particular meaning. So far we have applied this writing to people who, by accepting the truth today, change their behavior and "make their swords into plowshares" by becoming peaceful people. We have also applied it to the instruction that will be given to the resurrected in the New World, but let us now try to reread it by accepting the possibility of what we have just described. Isaiah 2: 2-4: "In the final part of the days,*The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains,+And it will be raised up above the hills,And to it all the nations will stream.+  3  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,To the house of the God of Jacob.+ He will instruct us about his ways,And we will walk in his paths.”+ For law* will go out of Zion,And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.+  4  He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight* respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears.+ Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore".   The mountain of Jehovah's house will be firmly established and raised. When? Evidently when the Satan system is eliminated, it will be clear that Jehovah's way of governing is the best ever. "All nations must flow to it", in what sense and which nations? Many nations have indeed flowed into the people of God, for whom it is recognized that fulfillment could have something to do with our days; nevertheless, it is possible that, at the end of Armageddon, people of the nations survived by the judgment of God (the peoples at the four corners of the earth) decide to flow to the mountain of Jehovah. After the incredible events of Armageddon, it should by now be clear who the True God is and what His people are. In this way, too, Jehovah is sanctified in the midst of the nations. Many people flow and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will certainly walk in his paths" so it's describes as their own initiative and not as someone who has been persuaded through the preaching of the good news. Indeed, they themselves are saying "he will instruct us around his ways". We can imagine that many survivors will flow to the mountain of Jehovah once they have seen the great signs of Armageddon, abandoning their old nation and making the necessary changes to be accepted by God - Compare Revelation 11:13 and Joshua 9: 8-11 Yet it is easy enough to imagine that, despite these unequivocal signs of Jehovah's blessing on His people, not everyone will decide to be part of it. So many people will continue to stay in their nations, with their governments, refusing to rush to Jehovah's mountain. Seen from this perspective, it is no longer so incredible to imagine that, at the end of the millennium, when God's people have accumulated riches and blessings to no end, these nations organize themselves to "take many spoils" - Ezekiel 38: 10-12 Even the writing of Daniel 2:44 should make us reflect. The writing says: "“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom+ that will never be destroyed.+ And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.+ It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,+ and it alone will stand forever". What realms is Daniel talking about? If we read the preceding verses we understand that we are talking about the kingdoms that make up the image of a man with a golden head, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of copper, legs of iron and feet of iron and clay . We know very well that these kingdoms are respectively Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome and, according to current understanding, the Anglo-American empire (but, as we saw in a previous article, the last dominant king must be the king of the north). The same powers, also in the book of Daniel, are described as the lion with the wings of an eagle (or Babylon described in Daniel 7: 4), the ravenous bear with three ribs between the teeth (Media- Persia described in Daniel 7: 5), the leopard with four heads and four wings (the Macedonian or Greek empire described in Daniel 7: 6) and the frightful and terrible beast with the iron teeth and the ten horns (Rome and therefore the last power described in Daniel 7: 7, 8, 19). Why are the same realms or domains seen in two different ways? This is interesting because the beast that John sees "ascending from the sea" has characteristics of all these beasts - Revelation 13: 1, 2 It is in fact similar to a leopard, has the feet of a bear, the mouth of the lion and the ten horns of the last beast seen by Daniel. These are the kings that are destroyed by Jesus Christ and his elect at Armageddon, that is, the kingdoms that will coalesce in the final battle. Obviously it includes his image (the UN) and the false prophet - Revelation 19:19, 20 It includes all those who participated in the war, directly or indirectly, and all those who have persecuted or unjustly treated God's people - Revelation 19:21; Zechariah 2: 8 Surely a good part of humanity will be killed in this war because the ruler of the world will make sure to have as many people as possible, but will this mean that all kingdoms and all people will be destroyed except for Christians? Even those insignificant, small realms? Even those isolated from the rest of the world, like islands or small ethnic groups, including those people who, living in countries that are restrictive of religion or other religions, have never had the opportunity to know the marvelous truths of God's word? - See Ezekiel 39: 6 These are questions to think about. It is true that the "good news" was preached in all the inhabited earth before the end of the satanic system ... but did this really understand all the people and everyone really had the same opportunities? Beyond any human hypothesis, the words that should make us reflect more are those reported in Daniel 7:11, 12. The writing says ... "I kept watching at that time because of the sound of the arrogant* words that the horn was speaking;+ I watched until the beast was killed and its body was destroyed and it was given over to be burned in the fire. 12  But as for the rest of the beasts,+ their rulerships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season". What does this mean and how long does it last "a time and a season"? Meanwhile, from the context we see that the horn that speaks great things is referred to the "terrible and terrible beast" that is the last beast of Daniel's vision. There is talk of the period in which "thrones are placed" and "the Ancient of days" sits to judge and therefore can only refer to the time when Jehovah and Christ take power - Revelation 11: 15-18 It is said that the beast is killed and his body is given to the burning fire - Compare Revelation 19:19, 20 It is evident that the scripture is referring to the wild beast of Revelation at the time of its judgment and yet, after specifying that the beast is given to the burning fire (therefore it has been destroyed), verse 12 says ... "But as for the rest of the beasts,+ their rulerships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season". This specifies very clearly that the other domains are not destroyed but allows them to continue to exist for some time after the judgment of Armageddon. We try to stop for a moment and reread the last four lines carefully comparing the cited writings. In fact, if we read Revelation 19: 19-21 carefully, we see that the wild beast, the kings of the earth and their armies gather to make war against Jesus Christ and his army, but who is destroyed among all these? The writing says that the wild beast and the false prophet is taken and thrown into the lake of fire. Then, verse 21 says "the rest were killed with the long sword of him who sat on the horse, which [sword] came out of his mouth." The remaining whom? There are two subjects involved: the kings of the earth and their armies. By saying "the rest" does the vision refer to kings, their armies or both? If he also referred to both of Daniel's writing, he specifies that the domains of these kings are simply removed, not destroyed. Surely die those who are in that position (armies, any generals or kings) in fact the writing says that "they are killed" but they are not said to end up in the lake of fire. We know that the lake of fire means the second death and that is a place from which we do not return so we have the assurance that the wild beast is destroyed so as not to return again but the "remaining" are not uprooted from the earth. Not yet. Those who are waging war against the Lamb are killed, but evidently there will remain something of their kingdoms, that is, the nations belonging to these "remaining" who have been granted an extension for a time and a season. These will have a thousand years to recover and at least a part of them, quite numerous according to the words of Revelation 20: 8, will attack the people of God at the end of the millennium. Gog of Magog existed before Armageddon and will exist even later. Finally, as we have seen, after the destruction of these enemies there is still "one last enemy" to be eliminated: the death - See 1 Corinthians 15:26 This confirms the sequence of events of Revelation.    
 

I have made an article explaining how to do a biblical search and I did not insult or offend anyone.
You have started to say that I am an apostate, a deceiver, one who wants to put "confusion", a false prophet, deceptive etc. etc.
All right.
This shows how deep your knowledge of the Bible and how deep is your love for God - Matthew 5:11; 12:36, 37;
I'm also used to this and I expect a lot more for the future - John 16: 1, 2
P.S. But was not I the presumptuous? Are not you that you understand everything?

Dear AllenSmith,
you will surely have noticed that I use the translator (with many errors) because my english is poor.
So if I misunderstand a question or the purpose of a question, you will understand the reason.
Regarding the meaning of the article, I speak of personal experience (and not presumption). I know very well that with many of my brothers, who have many good qualities, you can not talk about doctrines, you can not challenge an "official truth" because otherwise you are automatically a murmur or apostate.
It's not a novelty that we can not recapture a doctrine so we're not talking about science fiction.
Continue to apply the scriptures to whomever you want. It is not my problem. You will not be judging

Dear AllenSmith,
If you want to push me to say "The Governing Body" then say "Then you are an apostate!" I assure you that this is not the point.
If I follow any person who has authority (true or supposed) above the Bible, then I am an idolater - Matthew 23: 8
If, on the other hand, there is someone who is able to enter the subject without taking a political position, let's see what the article is about to be published.
The article has highlighted the correct (right, right) method of doing a biblical search.
Who has the authority to determine whether a doctrine is correct or wrong?
Only the Bible - Matthew 4: 4, 7; John 17:17
The Son of God, every time he taught or responded to his adversaries, never forgot his own wisdom, but always mentioned the Scriptures - Matthew 15: 3-9
How can we make the Bible, and only the Bible, speak when we need to understand a doctrine or teaching?
We have to search the subject in all the scriptures that speak (and also read the context, obviously).
To do this, Concordance is very useful (as seen in the picture).
By doing this you will find that some doctrines are correct and some are wrong.
Those who really love the Bible will respect the Bible.
Those who love their religion, more than the Bible, will pretend nothing and find all "justifications" to continue in error.
Is the article intended to be a rebellion to religion or to create another religion?
Absolutely not because this is the people of God.
However, although this is the people of God this does not mean that there are both doctrinal and organizational errors.
If we read the warnings to the congregations reported in Revelation, we see that false teachings and bad people can enter into the people of God - Revelation 2: 1, 8, 12, 18; 3: 1, 7, 14 (see also 2 Timothy 2: 20-22)
He who examines the congregations will put things into place (even with severe discipline) so we look forward to him, without creating divisions.
But this does not mean that we do not have to study the Bible personally.
It does not mean that we do not have to understand what the Bible really teaches (though we find that some things taught are wrong) and does not mean that we do not have to act according to knowledge acquired according to conscience.
Studying the Bible is a duty of every Christian.
So, for some who understood the article, the encouragement is to study the Bible with the only truly neutral and accurate help: the Bible itself.
When the discipline comes (and it will come) no one thinks to say "I could not know. I was so taught in this way" because judgment will be individual on each of us.
Each of us has a Bible and has the ability to understand it, asking for help from God.
The reaction that someone has been commenting on this article should make us realize that some of us have become idolatrous.
Someone has put their own religion above the Word of God.
When it is not possible to discuss a doctrine (or anything else) even in the face of biblical evidence, it is evident that some people have been placed above the Word of God - Matthew 15: 6
This is one of the reasons (not the only one) for which God will punish his own people.
Individually, though, each of us can be protected from calamity.
I hope that each of you can evaluate this article carefully and personally ascertain what the will of God is for us.
 

Let's start with a logical assumption.
Satan is much smarter and more powerful and has much more experience than us.
He is our main adversary and his purpose is to "devour us" - 1 Peter 5: 8
To do this, as we all know, he uses every means at his disposal and one of his "favorite" weapons is lying, deception - Hebrews 2:14; John 8:44
It 'easy to expect that, as he nears the end of his activity, he intensifies his efforts to mislead us - Revelation 20: 2, 3
As we have seen from the previous articles which spoke of the false prophet, Satan is about to prepare his best weapon for his expulsion to the earth - Revelation 13:11
We know that religion will not disappear as many of us have imagined (as it is not Babylon the Great) but will undergo a remarkable "skin change" - compare 2 Corinthians 11: 13-15
If this is correct, we can hypothesize what could happen in the near future also by comparing what has already happened, in the past, that has diverted many of us.
Many of us fail to accept the change of identity of Babylon the Great mainly for two reasons.
To begin with it is one of the doctrines taught with more conviction by the WTS and then, let's face it, it is an almost romantic figure.
Knowing many details of what religion has done over the centuries, including torture and burnings, wars, the killing of many sincere scholars of the Bible, the immorality of its exponents, the bonfires of the translated Bibles ... in short, each of us wondered when Jehovah would ask for the bill.
To come to know that these organizations could be compared to a prostitute who would have been mauled and burned ... well ... this have filled our hearts with a just sense of righteous justice - Matthew 5: 6
In fact, the end that will make "the man of illegality", in the role of the false prophet, will not be very different even if the subject and the performer change drastically - Revelation 19:20
The point is that to break away now from this emblematic and strong figure is difficult because it touches our emotional part.
We pay attention to this.
If the scriptural references used to derive the identity of Babylon the Great are incorrect or their application is incorrect, then it is right to re-discuss and see if there is another possibility.
If anyone is able to disprove with logic and the Scriptures all the steps to identify Babylon as Great as the modern nation of Israel, let it be - Proverbs 15:22; 1 Thessalonians 5:21
It should interest us only the biblical message - compare Matthew 10:37
If, on the other hand, the scriptural references are clear and specific, they do not contradict each other and somehow disprove or cast a shadow over the old understanding, instead of doing somersaults to try and prove our preconceived ideas ( in practice, forcing the Scriptures) we should simply abandon our "affections" and embrace the Truth of God's Word - John 17:17
Let's do an honest self-examination and evaluate the Scriptural reasons that prevent us from accepting a change of vision (whatever it is).
Satan could exploit our desires, including our preconceived ideas, to completely mislead us - Genesis 3: 6
The apostle Paul said that Satan would use the man of lawlessness with every powerful work, signs and portents of lies and "every unjust deception" - 2 Thessalonians 2: 9. 10
 
 
Satan could use our preconceptions, not only our desires?
 
We have already seen how Satan could do this through the false prophet (ie the man of the illegality of the end time, after the expulsion of Satan on earth) but now we will see how he could do it before, leaving for a moment the portents and concentrating on the concept of "every unjust deception".
Obviously we can not know in detail what Satan will invent soon because of the assumptions made at the beginning.
The warnings of the Lord, in fact, are generic.
Although He has spoken of false Christs and false prophets and great signs, he does not specify what will actually combine our arch-enemy.
The point is that we must be ready and have the means to do so: the Bible, our mental faculties and the help of the Holy Spirit - 1 Peter 5: 9; Romans 12: 1; Ecclesiastes 7:12; Luke 11:13
1 Peter 5: 9 says that in order to resist Satan, we must be solid in faith, and how can we be solid in faith if we do not carefully study the Word of God?
Romans 12: 1 explains that our sacred service includes our faculty of reasoning and Ecclesiastes adds that knowledge is a protection that can keep us alive.
Thus we see that understanding the prophecies (like the rest of the Bible) is not a race between human beings; it's not something to be taken lightly and to be able to say "let's wait and see who's right" because it's about life.
Even the usual phrase, which often turns between brothers, who says that "the prophecies will understand them only when they are fulfilled" is superficial and dangerous.
Meanwhile, we debunk a common place: Daniel understood before their expiry the duration of the years of Babylonian exile by carefully studying the scriptures - Daniel 9: 1, 2 (see footnote *)
So the prophecy, to define itself as "prophecy", must be understood before its coming true otherwise it would make no sense; it would be a prophecy without the dignity of prophecy - Amos 3: 7
And besides, things "do not fall from above", we will not be stopped by an angel who will tell us what will happen if what happens is already written in the Bible.
Jehovah has already revealed His purpose; we must study the Word of God, in the likeness of the prophet Daniel, if we at least hope to understand something.
Having established this we try to make a series of hypotheses on what Satan could actually invent to mislead God's people.
In a previous article we discussed chapters 7 and 8 of Daniel and we saw how one might come to think that these are two completely different subjects, times and prophecies (the article is titled "Four armageddon or one only?").
To complicate the understanding of the prophecy we have thought "the secular history" because if we read the events related to Antiochus IV Epiphanes many details emerge that could make us think that the description made by Daniel applies to him and his period of action.
In this way even a good part of chapter 11 would be fulfilled with the Maccabees, "the people who know their God" and so on.
We know that these arguments are forced and absolutely false and we can say this in the light of the Scriptures that clearly identify the Prince of the army, also known as Prince of the Princes, as the one to whom sacrifices were made and made - Compare Daniel 8:25 with Daniel 8:11
There are also other reasons that lead us to reject in the strongest terms Judah Maccabee and Antiochus IV Epiphanes, as many details of the prophecy that would fall simply into thin air, but including those who had turned the sacrifices should be more than enough for a careful scholar of the Bible.
The question we should ask ourselves, however, is quite different.
Why have so many similar things happened in the past that have led many sincere Jews to believe that Daniel's words applied to them in the past?
Obviously we can not know if Satan was behind all this but we can not even exclude it.
Recall that Satan has existed for thousands of years so he can afford to make long-term plans.
The repercussions of this understanding come to us because they influence the time in which we are living and that we risk not recognizing.
Let's see if there is a prior or are simply outlandish hypothesis.
These articles have re-discussed, among others, the understanding related to 1914 and to do so we simply used the Scripture (one of these posts is titled "Chronology, interpretation, speculation").
Many sites and blogs, also of a polemical nature, have re-discussed 1914 as the date when Christ would have been crowned as King, but in general the arguments relate to secular dates, historical relics, etc.
These sites have emphasized that the date of departure from which to count these fateful "seven times" is wrong because it is not supported or just denied by history.
First of all, we must acknowledge that these discussions can have a certain value among historians, but between us, Christians, these things has a relative value.
To begin with, history is not an "exact science" as mathematics could be because it is based on findings that are often incomplete and to which we must also give an interpretation (just think of what the scholars say about the age of man) .
In fact, on the same "find" different scientists give different interpretations and it is certainly not the majority or the most "noble" to establish the truth.
For absurd, for how many tests can come to light proving that the date used as a starting point to calculate the seven times is wrong, the WTS could be right.
We can speak of a reasonable conclusion, of numerous proofs in favor of ... but not of certainty.
We take note of an inconvenient truth: we were not there.
We Christians, however, have something more than the historical findings or a team of scientists in tow: we have the Word of God.
So we can say that 1914 is wrong not because the date from which to start the calculation is wrong (which would simply move the question of twenty years or so) but because the Bible does not talk about that.
Simple.
Having said this, however, here too we must take note that many things that have happened since 1914 onwards are very similar to the description that the Bible makes of the last days (meaning just the last few).
That year, the greatest war that humanity had known until then broke out - Matthew 24: 6
As a consequence of the war, hunger, disease and despair are spreading everywhere - Luke 9:11
Big bombs like the two atomic bombs, which were seen hundreds of kilometers away, are actually "scary visions from the sky and great signs".
Jehovah's Witnesses are being persecuted practically under all the Communist, Fascist and "democratic" regimes - Matthew 24: 9
Moral values suffer a sharp decline in all sectors of society - 2 Timothy 3: 1-5
Besides these things happens even more that almost "obliges" Christians to believe and to confirm 1914.
The League of Nations (1920) is born.
Let's stop for a moment.
If the League of Nations is the scarlet savage beast described in Revelation, then there is very little to discuss.
Since in Revelation this beast falls into the abyss only one time and then ascend, there is no other possibility than to apply and start the prophecies of Revelation from 1914 or from a date close to 1914.
The book of Revelation is clear: the scarlet beast falls into the abyss and then goes up again. There are no other falls before its final destruction - see Revelation 17: 8
Let us imagine living in that period and let us honestly ask ourselves how many of us would not have believed we were living in the "last days" and to receive the reward shortly thereafter.
This experiment is born, a political-military agglomeration as never had been tried in the history and the brothers observe.
It really looks like the scarlet beast of Revelation!
If it is that, however ... it must fall into the abyss after a certain period.
Among other things, it is understood that the reason why this beast falls into the abyss is precisely the outbreak of war.
What happens?
Less than two decades after war breaks out such an extensive and violent to pass the 1914 absolutely secondary.
And the League of Nations, because of its nature, can be said to fall ** (see footnote).
What should we deduce from these reflections?
All these events do not seem a bit 'too much to be pointed to the case?
There are many, too many elements and they all seem to fit together.
What to say, then?
Are we still convinced that the 1914 date is wrong?
The only way to understand it is by studying the Word of God with dedication and without preconceptions.
By studying the Bible it is understood that if it is true that many things seemed to fit together, it is equally true that many others did not.
At the time of the resurrection of the scarlet colored beast there had to be only one dominant power (compare Revelation 13: 3, 4, Daniel 11:39, 40, 45) but after the Second World War there were still so many powers.
When would there have been this proclamation or a hint of "peace and security" if the cold war began immediately afterwards?
These and other details should have made the brothers of the time reflect that "something did not return" but, as mentioned, considering such remarkable events and apparently in harmony with the Scriptures, we would probably have fallen for all.
It is not difficult to imagine who has been behind all this or we can not exclude it.
If all these events have not been random, our ability to reason allows us to hypothesize what could happen in the near future.
In the article dedicated to the trumpets of Revelation (it is called "Jehovah's Wounds Against False Prophets and Trouble for the Earth") we have seen that Jehovah's judgment will be directed principally against His own people but could also include exponents and organizations of Christendom .
We pay attention to this.
Can Satan use this situation to implement his umpteenth "unjust deception"?
Absolutely, because this fits perfectly with the "style" of its past deceptions - compare 1 Corinthians 15:12
Let's think for a moment: what is the event that the vast majority of us are waiting with trepidation?
The destruction of "Babylon the Great" is not it?
For "Babylon the Great", obviously, the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses mean the worldwide empire of false religion.
Imagine that the United Nations (or the king of the north or Islamic extremists or anyone else) now initiates a targeted persecution of all religions by blowing up many famous places of worship *** (see footnote) ).
What would the majority of us think?
It's obvious. The great tribulation has begun!
We must not even make a big effort of imagination because this is exactly what happened during the first and then the Second World War.
The brothers imagined that these wars would "culminate" in Armageddon.
We pay close attention and try to understand the profound reasons why we believe in what we believe in - 2 Corinthians 13: 5; 1 Thessalonians 5:21
Let us not be caught up in events.
The war that is about to break out (because it is about to break out) will not lead to Armageddon and any generalized persecution of religions will have nothing to do with Babylon the Great.
Let us also ask ourselves this question: if we can not re-discuss the identity of Babylon the Great now, will we succeed in doing so when the scriptures seem to fulfill according to our preconceptions? - Jeremiah 23: 21-23
Let's make sure, then, of what we believe in because understanding prophecy is not a secondary question, it is of our life exactly as it was of the life of the first Christians.
Satan is certainly able to turn us around like socks and turn around as and when he wants but we have the Bible and the help of Jehovah himself - Proverbs 18:10
Let us not allow our emotionality or our desires to have the upper hand over our faculties of reasoning.
We must study the Bible! - compare Matthew 4: 5-7
The only possibility that Satan can use such a method to continue to mislead the majority of us should put us at attention and make us feel a serious responsibility.
All those, many or few, who have conscientiously shared the articles of "attentioelaprofezia", that is to say those who have passed the articles to the scrutiny of Scripture and have found them in harmony with it, have a moral obligation to make the possible to warn their brothers about what is going to happen and about what could happen.
What happened in the first and second world war can constitute a precedent to help each of us to be prepared and ready - Ephesians 6: 14-18; 2 Kings 6:16, 17
 
 
Footnotes.
* Some, to show that the posthumous understanding of the prophecies is a scriptural evidence, point to the event that occurred to the early Christians at the time when the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem.
Since they could not understand how to "escape the mountains", they reason, the prophecy must be understood only after its fulfillment.
Things are not like that and we see why.
When we talk about "understanding the prophecies" it is obvious that we refer to those prophecies written in signs.
Otherwise there would be nothing to understand, but only to obey.
It is evident that the Bible contains many prophecies (ie descriptions of future events) that were not written in signs.
When Jonah preaches to the ninevites saying that their city would be destroyed he mentions a prophecy.
If the ninevites had not repented, Jehovah's words spoken through Jonah would simply be fulfilled. The ninevites did not have to make any effort to understand those words. They did not have to study or meditate to understand. They simply had to take the warning to heart his words and, in fact, repent.
 
In the same way, the warning that Jesus gave his disciples were clear and strong instructions: “However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies,+ then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.+ 21  Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains,+ let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her" – Luke 21:20, 21
This is the prophecy and they understood it well.
The fact that, when it began to come true, Christians found themselves imprisoned and so they obviously asked "how they would have escaped to the mountains", this has nothing to do with understanding it.
Jehovah made sure that the armies withdrew, thus creating the opportunity for true Christians to escape.
On the contrary this prophecy should make us reflect on our commonplaces.
We hypothesize that the Lord's words had not been so clear, if he had actually used a symbolic language for which they would have to study and commit themselves to understand His words.
We also imagine that they were called "understand his words only after their fulfillment" what would have happened?
The answer is obvious: everyone would have died.
 
** Although we use to say that the League of Nations fell at the outbreak of the second war this is to be considered true only on the basis of the stated objectives.
If the League of Nations was born to prevent war, it is clear that failing to prevent the Axis powers' aggression this proved all its limitations and for this reason we can say that it "fell".
However, it did not fall literally because it was only dissolved in April 1946 and that is, it continued to exist until the end of the war.
Then League of Nations and United Nations (the latter established in October 1945) coexisted for almost six months and in fact it was decided to continue the activity of the League of Nations parallel to that of the United Nations, a project that obviously failed.
Moreover, the League of Nations was more sanctionary and political, but it did not have armies, and this too could have made one think that it could not have been the scarlet beast of Revelation.
 
*** Since we know that Satan is about to give life to the false prophet, or an evolution of the man of illegality, he may not have any interest in keeping old religions and old places of worship alive.
Let us not be amazed, then, if the world events should resemble those described by the scarlet-colored wild beast as it shatters, devours and burns completely in the fire.
 
     

Dear DeeDee,
I thank you, of course, for your concern and your advice.
Meanwhile, I want to tell you that I'm not a young man.
I am not less than 35 years old.
I have been baptized for 27 years (so, as you can imagine, I did not get baptized at age 8).
I did not want to answer the question "if I was under 35" because this question distracts from the content of the articles.
I want the attention to be placed on the contents and on the Scriptures of the articles and not on the person who writes.
If all the talk is put on "You are young, you are inexperienced", then you lose the importance of the topic.
However, that I have 20 years or 50 or 99 concepts do not change.
My words do not become "right" or more "wrong" according to my age.
The only thing we need to understand is whether they are in harmony with the Bible or not.
The Bible was written for young people and also for older people.
You have made a correct quotation: we must love God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength.
But I would like to ask you a question: where do we learn about the personality of God?
Through what we learn to know God better?
Through what do we learn about God's way of thinking and acting?
We learn all this through the Bible, it's true?
I want to ask you another question.
Can we honestly say that we love God if we do not love His Word?
Is not this concept the same reproach we make to the people of the world?
In field service we often meet devoted people who say they love God.
It's not true?
What objection do we make to these people?
"Whoever loves God, strives to know him better".
Or "He who loves God manages to overcome his own traditions and convictions if they are not in harmony with the Word of God".
We must also make an honest critique and ask ourselves if we ourselves, ourselves, have not become the victim of a tradition or of prejudice - compare Romans 2:21, 22; 2 Corinthians 13: 5
Finally the scriptures you mentioned I could mention them too, is not it?
I have full confidence in Jehovah.
If I relied on my intelligence, then I would not consult the Bible.
If I relied on my intelligence I would not look for answers in the Bible, do you think?
I would simply do what I want, without doing research in the Bible, without meditating, without praying.
Does it seem to you that what I have written up to now has not referred to the Bible?
Of course I can be wrong, like all human beings.
However, I invite you to reflect that you have not read the article I posted to you (the one titled "Death really cancels sin").
Or maybe you read it but you did not mention a single writing, just one application. You have not contested any part of the article in merit.
I would have been happy that you had answered the question: "When Paul says that we are dead with Christ, does he mean it literally? Or when he says that "we were buried with Christ "does he mean it literally?"
Or I would have liked you to have answered the question: "Is it the death that erases the sins or the sacrifice of Christ?"
Do you know why this happened?
is it possible (only possible) that you focused on the fact that I was "under 35" and so I needed advice?
Obviously even a 90-year-old can need advice. We are all imperfect and limited.
However the only really important thing is that every "thesis" is supported by the Scriptures.
If what I wrote is wrong, the right thing to do would help each other to understand what the Word of God really teaches.
I am ready to review and retract everything.
Are you really willing to do it anyway?
Or the fear of discovering that something that has been taught to us is wrong prevents us from getting closer to the Word of God (and therefore to God)?
is it possible (only possible) that we love our tranquility more?
Yet we should be happy if Jehovah, in his undeserved kindness, will allow us to understand more.
Even though I'm over 35, I do not scold anyone.
I invite only to reflect on the example of the Israelites of the past.
As you know, at a certain point, they stopped ascertaining the will of God.
They had the temple, the priests. They were unquestionably the People of God.
Was this sufficient to avoid discipline?
"Be sure of everything" is not bad advice, is not it?
"Keep on trying if you are in the faith and what you yourselves are".
Those who love God with all their heart, mind and strength, seek Him in His Word and are not afraid to clash with the judgment of the majority.
And those who want to live in holy devotion will also be persecuted.
I wish you with all my heart that you can have the humility to question yourself regardless of who tells you it is 20 or 99 years old.
Regardless of who tells you it is "an overseer" or the smallest and most insignificant among the brothers - Matthew 11:25, 26
 
 

Dear TrueTomHarley,
have you gone from criticizing my posts to get to give me advice on how to "put me better" in front of others?
Well, I thank you for this and I will take your advice to heart.
In the next article I will write I will only ask a series of questions. Can I count on your Scriptural answers?
I do not find myself indispensable and if I "end up under a truck", I am sure that other people (before me or after me, and perhaps better than me) would raise the same issues, the same "problems".
This is one more reason to focus on the contents of a speech and not on the person.
I agree with you that the most important thing is to be focused on the example of Christ. This is undoubtedly the most important and perhaps the most difficult thing to achieve.
I must point out that one aspect of Christ's personality (among many other aspects) was love for the Word of God.
I do not think I have "arrived" or even a "right" person.
I have so many things that I must improve and what I have understood (if I have understood it) is thanks exclusively to the undeserved kindness of God.
Also for this reason I feel like my duty to speak to my brothers, despite the difficulties and criticisms, of these things.
I believe that it is very important.
I thank you for the Scriptural examples you mentioned and I thank you sincerely for the concern you show towards me.
I assure you that I take great care not to become a victim of my own speeches.
I question myself very often.
Simply, my love for the Word of God urges me to look for answers in the Bible, only in the Bible.
If I am convinced through the Scriptures that certain of my conclusions are wrong, I assure you that I change immediately and even everything.
I have no interest, no one, to make me followers.
If you have an important message to give to people, you try to do it, is not it?
You try to give this message even if you know it will be "hard to accept" is not it?
I assure you that I would have spared many "headaches" if I had avoided writing certain things.
it is much easier to "keep quiet" than to start certain conversations.
So I thank you very much for your advice on how to start a conversation.
I will take these advice to heart but I will continue to talk about the things I have understood because this is true respect for the Word of God.
And indeed I encourage all those who read this message to participate in the conversation not "to cheer a team" nor starting from the principle to establish "who is right" but only with the aim of better understanding some prophecies of the Word of God.
And, be it clear, this also includes the possibility of having to accept (only the possibility) some truths that are very different from those that have been taught to us.
To accept, one must be mature.
Thanks again, TrueTomHarley, and so I hope I can start a frank and respectful conversation only with the Word of God.

Chapters 19 and 20 of Revelation will unveil some significant details about the war of Armageddon and what will happen next. These details will include two major changes to the current understanding and, just as happened with the identity of Babylon the Great, this "change of vision" will be a real stumbling block for many Jehovah's Witnesses. These chapters will be examined in the next article but, faced with such a serious change of understanding for two other subjects, it was decided to treat them separately in the light of the whole Scripture. First of all we must realize that the Revelation speaks of the resurrection at the end of the millennium, and not during the millennium. This will be dealt with in detail in due course. For the moment ... accept this possibility only to make the theme of this article comprehensible, which must answer the question, in fact, "which nations disappear in Armageddon?". It is clear that here we return to the usual "problem" if the book was written in chronological order or not but meanwhile we saw that the 7 seals are sequential, the 7 trumpets must be sequential (the apostle Paul calls the seventh trumpet "the last trumpet") and so also the seven cups of the wrath of God. If all this is sequential ... is it consistent to think that just the last chapters are not? Let's try to read the whole chapter 20 of Revelation and follow the order of events. Satan is dissolved from his prison, then misleads the nations that are at the corners of the earth, these surround the field of saints and then are killed by fire coming down from the sky. After this event, the death and hades return the dead that are in them - Revelation 20: 11-13 The writing of Revelation 20: 4 says that the rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were over. "Until" means "up to the moment" and not "during" and this would mean that in these thousand years the elect would rule on the survivors of Armageddon and their families, but not the resurrected ones. The same term, "until", used in Matthew 1:25, we have always used it to show that Joseph did not have relations with his wife Marie until the birth of the child. This should be sufficient to show that the resurrection will take place after the end of the millennium, a concept that seems to be reaffirmed in verses 12 and 13. We will go deeper into these verses but now let's focus on these "rebels" who attack the people of God. Who are they and where did they come from? Revelations 20:7-10 says... "Now as soon as the 1,000 years have ended, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 Â and he will go out to mislead those nations in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Ma?gog, to gather them together for the war. The number of these is as the sand of the sea. 9  And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them.+ 10  And the Devil who was misleading them was hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur, where both the wild beast+ and the false prophet already were;+ and they will be tormented* day and night forever and ever". At the end of a thousand years, Satan is dissolved to "mislead those nations that are in the four corners of the earth" and gathers them to war. It seems really incredible that something like that happens! Is it possible that in the new world people still organize themselves in political nations, that create divisions and that even attack the part of that people remained faithful? This is the first hypothesis and roughly represents the current intention. Before thinking that it is nonsense ... is it possible to hypothesize that during the Armageddon war a part of the earth is spared also to allow the survival of the people of God? In several parts of the Bible it is said that during the time of judgment his faithful people escapes finding shelter to Edom, Moab and Ammon (which by the way are also the cities spared from the world war) - Compare for example Daniel 11:41 with Isaiah 16: 4; Psalm 108: 8-10 with Jeremiah 40: 10, 11 These three nations (Edom, Moab and Ammon) were mountainous / hilly and this recalls the words Jesus spoke to his disciples - Matthew 24: 15, 16 Does Scripture warn all Christians in the world to flee to the nearest mountains as soon as they see the disgusting thing about Israel? Indeed, if the destruction of Babylon the Great gave rise to Armageddon (as we have seen) and not to the great tribulation, "fleeing the mountains" would mean that Jehovah would save these mountains by force of things. In fact these "mountains" could be a specific locality of the earth where Jehovah will lead his people just before Armageddon. This or these locations would then be "preserved by judgment". It would not be the first time that Jehovah, in his love and mercy, avoids destroying a certain people because of his servants. According to the account of Genesis 19:21, 22, the angels of Jehovah avoid destroying Zoar for consideration of Lot, and yet, from what is understood by reading the whole story, that "little city" was part of Sodom or Gomorrah and therefore had to be destroyed. The war of Armageddon actually destroys the satanic system composed of the wild beast, the false prophet and his supporters. All those nations that are compact in fighting against the Lamb also fall. The vast majority of people die in this war because blinded and branded by the wild beast but will die all those who are not Christians? The Philadelphia congregation is told that "it would be preserved by the test that must come on the entire inhabited earth" and that this can be done at least hypothesizes that some Christians find shelter in a "free zone" - Revelation 3:10 If we can hypothesize this, then the nations that at the end of the millennium decide to attack the people of God, could be born from these surviving strains. Why, in fact, would you make a distinction between them and "the field of saints"? Are not all the inhabitants of the new world "saints"? In the new world will there be a "field of saints" and a "field of non-saints"? Another confirmation could come from the very protection of Jerusalem above; it is said to "fly in the desert" far from the face of the serpent. When Satan tries to make her drown "the earth comes to her aid" and this means that at least until the last moment of divine judgment there is still a "stable" part of the world - Revelation 12:15 This could also explain why the resurrection does not take place during this millennium; simply because you are not yet in that new world that we imagine even if it will already be a new world and you will already have many reasons to be happy. We should probably make a distinction between "millennial reign" (which will bring many blessings to faithful humanity) and "new world" that will begin after the resurrection, at the moment when Christ returns the kingdom to his God and Father. This period could simply be a period of transition during which human beings can live in peace without the influence of Satan and under the guidance of divine teaching for all those who wish to obey. In fact, one of the questions Satan raised in the Garden of Eden was precisely if man was able to govern himself but man, with the interference of Satan, he never really ruled alone.       Can man direct his steps without God and without Satan? Also to this we must answer   This is related to the words of Revelation 20: 3; Satan is bound "not so misleads the nations" and that it is necessary to give definitively answer to the issue raised in Eden. However, if all the nations were destroyed at Armageddon ... how could he mislead them? Would it make sense to say that Satan is bound to keep the nations that no longer exist? Possible nations in the four corners of the earth, born of this spared stock, could show if man is really able to govern himself in favorable conditions, that is without the influence of Satan. After this last human rebellion, which will have consciously shown that they prefer Satan's government to that of Jehovah, both Satan and disobedient humanity will be eliminated forever. Only after the resurrection of the dead and after their judgment "death and Ades will be thrown into the lake of fire" and therefore we should assume that, throughout the millennium, despite having favorable conditions, we will continue to age and die? It is unthinkable because the anointed rulers will fulfill their priestly functions by expiating the sin of humanity and thus preventing the death of their subjects. Death that, however, will always be lurking and not yet permanently eliminated until the end of the millennium. It will be "the last enemy" to be eliminated in fact, if at the end of the millennium there will still be "enemies to be eliminated" (the nations surrounding the holy field), this should demonstrate that the resurrection, and therefore the definitive elimination of death, it will happen only after that event - I Corinthians 15:26 In this regard the writing of I Corinthians 15:24, 25, if read carefully, seems to specify the order of events, that is, Jesus Christ will deliver the Kingdom to his God and Father when he has reduced to nothing "every government and every authority and power". Obviously if every government and every authority and power were reduced to nothing during the war of Armageddon, He (Jesus Christ) should deliver the government at that very moment, that is, when he had just taken power. Let's reread these last six lines and try to understand their meaning even if "this meaning" goes out blatantly against our most deeply rooted convictions. Verse 25 says ... "For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet". This would seem to mean that there will still be enemies during the millennial reign. So the Kingdom ruled by Christ will be a temporary provision to Jehovah's praise to bring humanity back to perfection and this can also include the destruction of the last governments, authorities and powers, which will ultimately refuse to submit - Revelation 20: 8     Who will truly surround the "field of saints"?     In Ezekiel chapter 38 the verses from 8 on wards it is said that attention will be paid to Gog of Magog after "many days" and therefore suggests that these had been left out that is not taken into account or spared during of judgment. Does not it seem a contradiction that Gog of Magog exists at the end of the satanic system of things and exists again in the new world at the end of the millennium? Does it not reflect that this "coalition of nations" always has the same name and indeed, in the description of Ezekiel, does not the subject change at all? If Gog of Magog is a coalition of nations, does not it seem strange that nations are formed under the reign of Christ? It is a contradiction only if we take for granted that all governments and all people are really destroyed in Armageddon. Evidently Gog of Magog does not exist again but it still exists (ie it has never ceased to exist). If "pay attention to him" after many days it means that they are always theirs and the "many days" are all the years of the millennial reign. Gog of Magog always has the same name because it is always the same subject. The people who "accumulate wealth and property" are obviously the people of God (the "field of saints" according to Revelation) and this indicates the many blessings that God's people will have during the millennial reign and the contrast with other peoples (why specify that there is a people that accumulates wealth if all accumulate the same riches?). Blessings that, apparently, will not have Gog of Magog otherwise there would be no such contrast and there would be no reason to feel envy - Ezekiel 38:12; compare Proverbs 10:22 Why, moreover, would there be this contrast with those who "do not even bar and doors" if we are all in a new world of peace, without thieves or other criminals? - Ezekiel 38:11 If read simply for what it is, the scripture really seems to indicate that, during the millennial reign of Christ, there still exist peoples who have bars and doors and are evidently those who have never been interested in the will of God for whom they must put " bars and doors" and pay attention to their own brothers. The events related to Gog Magog, described in chapters 38 and 39 of Ezekiel, are full of interesting details but one of the things that stands out right now is the distinction between them and Israel. It therefore seems that Israel, or the holy people of God, will live together with these other peoples for a thousand years - Ezekiel 39: 6, 7 At this point the writing of Isaiah 2: 2-4 acquires a particular meaning. So far we have applied this writing to people who, by accepting the truth today, change their behavior and "make their swords into plowshares" by becoming peaceful people. We have also applied it to the instruction that will be given to the resurrected in the New World, but let us now try to reread it by accepting the possibility of what we have just described. Isaiah 2: 2-4: "In the final part of the days,*The mountain of the house of Jehovah Will become firmly established above the top of the mountains,+And it will be raised up above the hills,And to it all the nations will stream.+  3  And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah,To the house of the God of Jacob.+ He will instruct us about his ways,And we will walk in his paths.”+ For law* will go out of Zion,And the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem.+  4  He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight* respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears.+ Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore".   The mountain of Jehovah's house will be firmly established and raised. When? Evidently when the Satan system is eliminated, it will be clear that Jehovah's way of governing is the best ever. "All nations must flow to it", in what sense and which nations? Many nations have indeed flowed into the people of God, for whom it is recognized that fulfillment could have something to do with our days; nevertheless, it is possible that, at the end of Armageddon, people of the nations survived by the judgment of God (the peoples at the four corners of the earth) decide to flow to the mountain of Jehovah. After the incredible events of Armageddon, it should by now be clear who the True God is and what His people are. In this way, too, Jehovah is sanctified in the midst of the nations. Many people flow and say, "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will certainly walk in his paths" so it's describes as their own initiative and not as someone who has been persuaded through the preaching of the good news. Indeed, they themselves are saying "he will instruct us around his ways". We can imagine that many survivors will flow to the mountain of Jehovah once they have seen the great signs of Armageddon, abandoning their old nation and making the necessary changes to be accepted by God - Compare Revelation 11:13 and Joshua 9: 8-11 Yet it is easy enough to imagine that, despite these unequivocal signs of Jehovah's blessing on His people, not everyone will decide to be part of it. So many people will continue to stay in their nations, with their governments, refusing to rush to Jehovah's mountain. Seen from this perspective, it is no longer so incredible to imagine that, at the end of the millennium, when God's people have accumulated riches and blessings to no end, these nations organize themselves to "take many spoils" - Ezekiel 38: 10-12 Even the writing of Daniel 2:44 should make us reflect. The writing says: "“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom+ that will never be destroyed.+ And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people.+ It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,+ and it alone will stand forever". What realms is Daniel talking about? If we read the preceding verses we understand that we are talking about the kingdoms that make up the image of a man with a golden head, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of copper, legs of iron and feet of iron and clay . We know very well that these kingdoms are respectively Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome and, according to current understanding, the Anglo-American empire (but, as we saw in a previous article, the last dominant king must be the king of the north). The same powers, also in the book of Daniel, are described as the lion with the wings of an eagle (or Babylon described in Daniel 7: 4), the ravenous bear with three ribs between the teeth (Media- Persia described in Daniel 7: 5), the leopard with four heads and four wings (the Macedonian or Greek empire described in Daniel 7: 6) and the frightful and terrible beast with the iron teeth and the ten horns (Rome and therefore the last power described in Daniel 7: 7, 8, 19). Why are the same realms or domains seen in two different ways? This is interesting because the beast that John sees "ascending from the sea" has characteristics of all these beasts - Revelation 13: 1, 2 It is in fact similar to a leopard, has the feet of a bear, the mouth of the lion and the ten horns of the last beast seen by Daniel. These are the kings that are destroyed by Jesus Christ and his elect at Armageddon, that is, the kingdoms that will coalesce in the final battle. Obviously it includes his image (the UN) and the false prophet - Revelation 19:19, 20 It includes all those who participated in the war, directly or indirectly, and all those who have persecuted or unjustly treated God's people - Revelation 19:21; Zechariah 2: 8 Surely a good part of humanity will be killed in this war because the ruler of the world will make sure to have as many people as possible, but will this mean that all kingdoms and all people will be destroyed except for Christians? Even those insignificant, small realms? Even those isolated from the rest of the world, like islands or small ethnic groups, including those people who, living in countries that are restrictive of religion or other religions, have never had the opportunity to know the marvelous truths of God's word? - See Ezekiel 39: 6 These are questions to think about. It is true that the "good news" was preached in all the inhabited earth before the end of the satanic system ... but did this really understand all the people and everyone really had the same opportunities? Beyond any human hypothesis, the words that should make us reflect more are those reported in Daniel 7:11, 12. The writing says ... "I kept watching at that time because of the sound of the arrogant* words that the horn was speaking;+ I watched until the beast was killed and its body was destroyed and it was given over to be burned in the fire. 12  But as for the rest of the beasts,+ their rulerships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season". What does this mean and how long does it last "a time and a season"? Meanwhile, from the context we see that the horn that speaks great things is referred to the "terrible and terrible beast" that is the last beast of Daniel's vision. There is talk of the period in which "thrones are placed" and "the Ancient of days" sits to judge and therefore can only refer to the time when Jehovah and Christ take power - Revelation 11: 15-18 It is said that the beast is killed and his body is given to the burning fire - Compare Revelation 19:19, 20 It is evident that the scripture is referring to the wild beast of Revelation at the time of its judgment and yet, after specifying that the beast is given to the burning fire (therefore it has been destroyed), verse 12 says ... "But as for the rest of the beasts,+ their rulerships were taken away, and their lives were prolonged for a time and a season". This specifies very clearly that the other domains are not destroyed but allows them to continue to exist for some time after the judgment of Armageddon. We try to stop for a moment and reread the last four lines carefully comparing the cited writings. In fact, if we read Revelation 19: 19-21 carefully, we see that the wild beast, the kings of the earth and their armies gather to make war against Jesus Christ and his army, but who is destroyed among all these? The writing says that the wild beast and the false prophet is taken and thrown into the lake of fire. Then, verse 21 says "the rest were killed with the long sword of him who sat on the horse, which [sword] came out of his mouth." The remaining whom? There are two subjects involved: the kings of the earth and their armies. By saying "the rest" does the vision refer to kings, their armies or both? If he also referred to both of Daniel's writing, he specifies that the domains of these kings are simply removed, not destroyed. Surely die those who are in that position (armies, any generals or kings) in fact the writing says that "they are killed" but they are not said to end up in the lake of fire. We know that the lake of fire means the second death and that is a place from which we do not return so we have the assurance that the wild beast is destroyed so as not to return again but the "remaining" are not uprooted from the earth. Not yet. Those who are waging war against the Lamb are killed, but evidently there will remain something of their kingdoms, that is, the nations belonging to these "remaining" who have been granted an extension for a time and a season. These will have a thousand years to recover and at least a part of them, quite numerous according to the words of Revelation 20: 8, will attack the people of God at the end of the millennium. Gog of Magog existed before Armageddon and will exist even later. Finally, as we have seen, after the destruction of these enemies there is still "one last enemy" to be eliminated: the death - See 1 Corinthians 15:26 This confirms the sequence of events of Revelation.    
 

Dear TrueTomHarley,
I focus on the most important words you wrote.
My criticism of the "governing body" has nothing to do with "lack of respect" or "denigration".
I do not understand why you have to confuse a (even strong) criticism with the lack of respect.
What we can not understand is that we have two different concepts of respect.
Always saying "yes, you're right" is a form of respect? Really?
Or is it a form of formal worship?
I have respect for those who have a great responsibility, but this does not mean that they have to recognize everything they say or do.
Finally it is a question of balance.
I try to explain the point.
In my study of the Bible I come to understand some things (maybe it's right, maybe it's wrong but in honest conscience).
As long as the interpretations of the governing body are secondary, I can also "make ends of nothing".
When some interpretations in my opinion (perhaps wrong) are not in harmony with the Scripture, what should I do?
According to you I should "shut up" because "they deserve respect".
My total and unconditional respect is addressed to the Word of God. it's clear?
This means that if a teaching goes against the Word of God (even if done in good faith) I give precedence to the Word of God.
I have dedicated myself to Jehovah, do you understand?
I have not dedicated myself to the "faithful and discreet slave", not to "jw.org" not to "warwick" or anyone else.
I have learned from the Bible that you must study personally and accurately, and you must draw your conclusions once you have meditated and prayed.
My conclusions (right or wrong) are that many brothers have become "idolaters" because they have elevated "commands of men" over the same Bible!
The things you wrote are true only in a small part.
I did not look for a probable idolatry and then find it in the Scriptures.
the opposite has happened.
To see that many brothers take a picture with the character of the governing body, or that they buy the medallion with the inscription "YHWH", or that they buy flags or t-shirts with the inscription "jw.org" it makes me sick (it's true ) but it does not make me stumble.
Do you know why I do not stumble over these things?
Because I had read in the Bible that this would happen.
I speak of biblical understanding.
mine is not "a protest" or a revolution.
Mine is exclusively a biblical research and my attempt is to bring attention to the Bible.
Also I would like to point out something.
speaking with DeeDee I wrote clearly (it's just an example) that the apostle Paul identifies the trumpet related to the spiritual resurrection as "the last trumpet".
I would be happy to have a conversation, without preconceptions, to understand if Revelation is written chronologically or not.
I have published many articles on this blog.
Has there ever been a constructive conversation?
Have we ever entered the subject in an attempt to understand what the Bible says?
Or have our "conversations" stopped at "you are not the faithful and discreet slave" or "are you an apostate" or "you can not have the biblical understanding" and similar things?
Who is the idolater?
Every day we are encouraged to "study the Bible" but what does this mean in your opinion?
Does it mean "study the Bible only if your conclusions are in harmony with the Governing Body"?
My personal experience counts for nothing and it is not because of my personal experience that I started making these articles.
On the contrary: these are my research without preconceptions, in the light of the Scriptures.
I consider the Bible the only authority and so you too.
However, there are other "authorities" that prevent you from carefully examining the Scriptures.
There are the "masters of the Law" who claim to be the only ones to understand it.
There are those who say "Yes is right" or "No, it's wrong".
Do you really believe that these articles of mine are "born" from the fact that I saw hypocrisy and idolatry in some brother?
Absolutely not.
Do you believe that I have "mounted my head"?
Absolutely not. Interpretations belong to Jehovah.
I do this because it is a responsibility.
Then, of course, you can believe what you want.
Some people (but I would dare to say "many") consider the guide (which is only a middle) as the ultimate end of worship.
The copper serpent was a loving provision by Jehovah that the people would not die but after a few years became an idol.
You are really sure that the medium that would lead us into the "promised land", did not become an idol?
You are free to think about what you want but when we turn off our faculties of perception and consider the words of men equal or superior to the Bible, this is idolatry.
Jesus, who was the most knowledgeable person ever existed, said many times "is written".
You say, practically always, "The faithful and discreet slave says" even if what he says strides with the Word of God.
Everyone makes their own assessments.
I am nobody and I can not judge anyone.
Jehovah is the just judge, only him.
If you are convinced of "studying the Bible without preconceptions", agree.
The right thing to do would be to help each other but this is not possible because every "criticism" is seen as "lack of respect".
 
 

Thank you, DeeDee, for your kind and peaceful response.
In this way we should discuss the Word of God even if we did not agree on the interpretation.
I fully agree with you on some things.
Jehovah's wonderful message does not change and He wants none of us to be destroyed.
The good news of the Kingdom can be preached without having to "clash" on certain understandings.
However, I am deeply convinced that each of us personally has to make a careful study of the Word of God and this also includes an understanding of the prophecies - Proverbs 2: 1-5
Prophecy is not a secondary thing and should not be underestimated - 1 Thessalonians 5:20, 21
The Bible encourages us to make sure of everything and this responsibility does not have only the "faithful and discreet slave" but each one of us.
Moreover I would like to remember (and I do not want to make controversy) that the "slave" will be declared "faithful and discreet" only at the beginning of Armageddon (not before).
In this regard you can find the explanation in the Watchtower of July 15, 2013 (the first study article entitled "Tell us: when do these things happen?").
With this I do not want to say that what the governing body teaches "is all wrong". I have respect for those who have this important responsibility.
So this means that today there are sincere people who try to understand the Bible, but there is still no "faithful and discreet slave".
Surely this understanding will again be "modified" because it is too uncomfortable for some but it does not matter.
The Bible is clear in this regard: each of us must study carefully and meditate on the word of God.
This includes the fact that if you come to understand some things that are different from the official understanding, you must talk about it with respect.
This is what I'm trying to do.
Of course I can be wrong, like everyone else, so it is appropriate to have an open conversation in the light of the Scriptures without having preconceptions.
This does not mean "to stumble" someone because those who truly love God and His Word do not stumble - Psalm 119: 165
I am not saying that the Bible is not the Word of God, is not it?
I am not saying that Christ is not the Son of God.
I am not bringing another teaching.
These things could "stumble" but I have the utmost respect for the Word of God.
I have not dedicated myself to the "faithful and discreet slave" or even to a human organization.
I dedicated myself to Jehovah and the words of Jehovah are found exclusively in the Bible.
Those who love God try to understand His Will through His Word and do not remain waiting for "others" to do research in his place or to tell him what to believe and what not to believe.
So, concluding the speech, even if I partly share what you write about the hope and the good news of the Kingdom, if Revelation was written in chronological order, the question is not "secondary" at all.
This means that the times of fulfillment of certain prophecies are wrong (even some dates that we consider very important) and also certain subjects are completely different.
The most important thing, this would mean that our expectations for the future are not in harmony with the Word of God.
It also means that some prophecies could be fulfilled right now and we, focused on other things, do not realize it.
the prophecy "shines in a dark place" but have we really lent "more than the usual attention"? - 2 Peter 1:19, 20; Hebrews 2: 1
Or are we living on rent waiting for someone else to tell us what to believe and what to do?
Jehovah will judge us personally and not as a people.
I wish you to personally ascertain these things without "cheering for a team" because, as you can see, it is not very easy to talk about the Bible with the brothers.
The near future may be different from what we imagined.

Inmediatamente, de noche,+ los hermanos enviaron a Pablo, así como a Silas, hacia Berea, y estos, al llegar, entraron en la sinagoga de los judíos. 11  Ahora bien, estos eran de disposición más noble que los de Tesalónica, porque recibieron la palabra con suma prontitud de ánimo, y examinaban con cuidado+ las Escrituras+ diariamente en cuanto a si estas cosas eran así – Hechos 17:10, 11  
La verdad es la Palabra de Dios - Juan 17:17  
¿Continuamos recibiendo la palabra con el mayor cuidado de la mente? Esta pregunta puede parecer obvia ya que se alienta a todos los testigos de Jehová a estudiar las Escrituras de manera consistente. Sin embargo, como sucede a menudo entre los seres humanos, es posible que comencemos a dar tantas cosas por sentado. Incluso las expresiones que usamos generalmente sugieren que a veces consideramos que la "verdad" es algo que podemos poseer o no. Como un objeto. Para muchos hermanos, huelga decir que "la verdad" es un grupo de personas, un edificio o una organización. Tanto es así que si intenta desafiar una doctrina, incluso si lo hace con la palabra de Dios, corre el riesgo de ser señalado como rebelde, incluso apóstata. También hablando de crítica legítima (porque hay tantas críticas ilegítimas, es evidente) muchos hermanos dirán "¡Esta es la verdad!".   Tal vez todos nosotros, cuando comenzamos a estudiar la Biblia, nos sentimos un poco como los bereanos viendo cómo nuestra curiosidad nos empujaba a hacer preguntas y buscar respuestas en las Escrituras. Muchos de nosotros se sorprendieron al encontrar que muchas doctrinas del cristianismo eran simplemente falsas. Entonces éramos bereanos, al menos por un tiempo. ¿Seguimos siendo como solíamos ser, o tal vez, después de un tiempo, nos acostumbramos a tomar todo por oro, eliminando cada espíritu crítico, cada pregunta, cada reflexión, cada duda? ¿Es posible que el miedo a ser etiquetados como "rebeldes" se haya apoderado de nuestra curiosidad? ¿Es posible que nosotros, mientras nos jactábamos de ser "Bereans", nos hayamos vuelto más difíciles que otros? En la historia de Israel tenemos muchos ejemplos de personas de fuera (es decir, no israelitas) que han demostrado ser más humildes y receptivas que muchas personas pertenecientes al pueblo de Dios. Y este es precisamente el problema.   Con frecuencia y voluntariamente pensamos que la verdad es algo que poseemos. Una vez que lo tienes, lo tienes. Los escribas y los fariseos se enorgullecían de tener el Templo y su padre Abraham - Compárese con Mateo 3: 8, 9 Es indudable que "esta organización" (estamos hablando de la WTS) es la única que ha enseñado muchas verdades sobre el Reino de Dios, sobre el Nombre de Dios, sobre su Hijo y muchas otras cosas. Es indiscutible que su organización ha sido bendecida por el Espíritu Santo para llevar la buena nueva "a la parte más distante de la tierra", que no lo hizo el cristianismo que ha sustituido al Reino de Dios con la ONU. Hay mucho que decir, obviamente, sin ocultar los límites y los errores, pero el punto que queremos enfatizar es que la "verdad" es la Palabra de Dios - Juan 17:17. Vamos a volver a leer esta frase: la verdad es la Palabra de Dios. Esto significa que no es ni puede ser una organización o un grupo de personas. Una organización puede llamarse "la verdad" en la medida en que se adhiere a la Palabra de Dios. Y no es una blasfemia afirmar que esta sociedad se ha adherido a veces en mayor medida y, a veces en menor medida, a la Palabra de Dios. Cuando hablamos de 1975, por ejemplo (si pudiéramos hacer otros ejemplos), ya que ahora se supone que esta no era la voluntad de Dios, esta sociedad, bendecida repetidamente en el pasado por su obediencia, no se adhirió, al menos hasta cierto punto, a la Palabra de Dios. O no? ¿O queremos decir que "fue Dios quien probó a los fieles"?   Este sería un ejemplo sorprendente de cómo podemos considerar la verdad algo que poseemos. Si entendemos realmente que la verdad es la Palabra de Dios, no debería suceder que, frente a una enseñanza bíblica clara (o más o menos clara, para profundizar) simplemente digamos "Veamos lo que dice la Sociedad" o adaptando una palabra del Señor o cualquier versículo bíblico a lo que creemos de saber. O buscamos cada "significado" del verso, cada frase ambigua, cada comentario que de alguna manera va a confirmar lo que creemos de conocer (simplemente haga un resumen de todo lo que se ha dicho sobre la "generación" para intentar confirmar una visión preconcebida: una visión que continúa hoy). Deberìa ser todo lo contrario. Tenemos que investigar con la Biblia, ya que la Biblia fue escrita para todos nosotros - Proverbios 2: 1-6 Si descubriéramos una nueva enseñanza, también sería algo que obviamente va en contra de la enseñanza oficial, ¿qué pasaría?   ¡Dános gracias si Jehová nos ha permitido de comprender Su Palabra en mayor medida! Pero, ¿cómo puedes permitirnos entender Su Palabra si ya tenemos todas las respuestas? Si nunca nos preguntamos? - Mateo 11:25, 26 No es suficiente hacer miles de investigaciones si las publicaciones a las que nos referimos no hacen más que enfatizar siempre la misma intención. Necesitamos una fuente confiable y verdaderamente neutral. La única fuente verdaderamente confiable es la Biblia - 2 Timoteo 3:16, 17 Entonces, no es un juego de palabras: solo la Biblia puede explicar la Biblia. Todos los artículos publicados hasta ahora en este blog no se han referido a ninguna otra autoridad. No se siguió ningún rabino o erudito bíblico. Con esto, obviamente, no queremos afirmar que todo lo que se ha presentado carece de errores o que, en algunos casos, no es necesario ir a ver el significado de una determinada palabra hebrea o griega. Puede ser que algunas Escrituras que podrían haber revertido ciertas conclusiones no fueron tomadas en consideración. Puede ser que algunas escrituras simplemente hayan sido mal entendidas. El propósito de este blog, de hecho, es abrir una discusión honesta, respetando los preceptos que acabamos de describir, para acercarnos a la Verdad de la Palabra de Dios. El autor de este blog no se considera inspirado o infalible. Para algunos no obedecer ciegamente las directivas y doctrinas del CG significa falta de lealtad, pero nuestra lealtad total debe dirigirse a la Palabra de Dios y no a una organización humana, por muy meritoria y bien intencionada que sea. ¿Alguien realmente piensa que el Dios Todopoderoso nos necesita a nosotros o a nuestra organización? ¿Qué tan difícil sería para Dios reemplazarnos con otra organización mañana? - Compara Lucas 19:40 Este blog está dedicado a la profecía por lo que este artículo puede considerarse una excepción. No es el deseo del autor dar una conferencia a nadie: cada uno hace sus propias evaluaciones. Finalmente, me dirijo a usted que estás leyendo este artículo. No fue posible poner en la primera página todos los artículos publicados hasta ahora que los que encontrarás en la vista previa son obviamente los últimos. Estos artículos, por necesidad, proporcionarán ciertas lecciones que se han tratado en el pasado, pero que pueden constituir un gran cambio en la enseñanza oficial. Está claro que ante ciertas declaraciones, podrías pensar ... "¿Pero qué tonterías es esta?" En lugar de llegar a la conclusión de que son forzados o tonterías, los animo a buscar los artículos que han tratado esos temas. Entre ellos, me gustaría recordar la identidad de Babilonia la Grande (fundamental para entender muchas expresiones y profecías "extrañas" por venir), el falso profeta, Gog de Magog, la Jerusalén celestial y demás. Y, por supuesto, no estoy diciendo que tengas que creer lo que está escrito. Por el contrario, compare todas las Escrituras en apoyo de estas declaraciones y evalúe en conciencia si lo que se ha presentado merece una reflexión cuidadosa. Si podemos deshacernos de la cabeza de que la "verdad" es algo que poseemos, continuamos estudiando la Biblia, volviendo a cuestionarnos y pidiendo ayuda a Aquel que nos puede dar conocimiento y comprensión verdaderos - Proverbios 2: 6; Santiago 1: 5

La siguiente discusión apunta exclusivamente a identificar "el cuerno pequeño". No se ha considerado todo lo que va más allá de su mera identificación (lo que hará, en qué período, en lo que se refiere a otros eventos). Esto se hará en un artículo futuro. El artículo, es bueno recordar, aunque cito las Escrituras en apoyo de la tesis presentada, sin embargo, representa las ideas personales del autor.       Y el macho de las cabras, por su parte, se dio grandes ínfulas+ hasta el extremo; pero en cuanto se hizo poderoso, el gran cuerno fue quebrado, y procedieron a subir conspicuamente cuatro en lugar de él, hacia los cuatro vientos* de los cielos.+ 9  Y de uno de ellos salió otro cuerno, uno pequeño,+ y siguió haciéndose mucho mayor hacia el sur* y hacia el naciente y hacia la Decoración.*+ 10  Y siguió haciéndose mayor hasta llegar al mismo ejército de los cielos,+ de modo que hizo que algunos del ejército y algunas de las estrellas+ cayeran a la tierra, y se puso a hollarlos.+ 11  Y hasta llegar al mismo Príncipe+ del ejército se dio grandes ínfulas, y de él el [rasgo] constante*+ fue quitado, y el lugar establecido de su santuario fue echado abajo.+ 12  Y un ejército mismo fue gradualmente entregado,+ junto con el [rasgo] constante,+ debido a transgresión;+ y siguió arrojando la verdad+ por tierra,+ y actuó y tuvo éxito – Daniel 8:8-12   Todos los testigos de Jehová saben muy bien quién es la cabra en pocos versículos después de que se dice claramente "el macho cabrío [representa] al rey de Grecia" - Daniel 8:21. Todos los Testigos de Jehová (o casi todos) también conocen muchos detalles sobre Alejandro Magno (el cuerno pequeño que se hizo grande), la partición de su reino, etc. En el versículo 9 del capítulo 8, sin embargo, Daniel ve otro cuerno. Ya no estamos hablando de Alejandro Magno y esta parte de la visión se cumple un cierto período después de la división del reino de Grecia. ¿Cuánto más tarde? Lo comprenderemos por lo que leeremos sobre este cuerno. Mientras tanto, veamos qué dice el esclavo sobre este cuerno. Puede encontrar la información en el libro "¡Preste atención a las profecías de Daniel!" en las páginas 137-144 (edición italiana del libro).   Aislamos algunas declaraciones del libro mencionado. Haremos esto no por un espíritu crítico sino simplemente para evaluar si pueden existir otras posibilidades. Después de todo, cuando la Biblia simplemente deja pistas, es lógico pensar que esto sucede para que la gente pueda intentarlo nuevamente hasta llegar a la conclusión más lógica: compare Proverbios 2: 1-5. De lo contrario, utilizaría un lenguaje claro, sin posibilidad de error, como sucedió en el caso de Ciro el conquistador, cuyo nombre se conocía incluso doscientos años antes. En este caso, como en el caso de Babilonia la Grande, debemos llegar a la identidad del sujeto al evaluar si las pistas coinciden con lo que sabemos. El libro dice que "en 55 a.E.V, Julio César al mando de un cargamento invadió Britania pero no pudo establecer un asentamiento permanente". "Luego" continúa "en 122 E.V., el emperador Adriano comenzó la construcción de un muro desde la desembocadura del Tyne hasta el Golfo de Solway, que marcó el límite norte del Imperio Romano. A comienzos del siglo V las legiones romanas abandonaron la isla ". Así que está claro que el Imperio Romano, después de más de 170 años de asentamiento (de 55 a.E.V. a 122 E.V.), aún no había logrado conquistar completamente Britannia, a diferencia de lo que sucedió en la mayor parte de Europa. No solo eso. El libro declara explícitamente que "a principios del siglo V las legiones romanas abandonaron la isla". Entonces deberíamos preguntarnos qué fue lo que realmente quedó de Roma a partir de ese momento, pero probablemente, como veremos más adelante, este no es un punto fundamental. Hay otros problemas, ciertamente significativos desde un punto de vista bíblico. Sin lugar a dudas, Inglaterra era "un cuerno pequeño" que creció en muchos aspectos, sin embargo, la escritura establece claramente que este cuerno pequeño habría hecho caer a tres reyes. ¿Cuál es la explicación del esclavo? Se habla de la derrota de España durante el ataque naval de la famosa "armada" liderada, en 1588, por Felipe II. Es difícil establecer si una derrota en la batalla puede ser equivalente a la derrota de un reino (la escritura dice que estos cuernos se rompieron ... concepto que parece indicar algo más que una batalla que salió mal) pero de hecho esta batalla naval constituyó un gran pérdida y una gran humillación para España. Luego se señala la Francia y se dice que "durante el siglo XVIII, los ingleses y los franceses se enfrentaron en Norteamérica y la India, hasta que se firmó el Tratado de París en 1763. De este tratado William B. Willcox escribió que "sancionó la nueva posición de Gran Bretaña como la principal potencia europea en el mundo no europeo ". Incluso en este caso, podemos decir que Inglaterra mejoró ... ¿pero realmente derribó el cuerno? Sin embargo, ¿qué decir de Holanda, mencionado como el segundo cuerno que se había arrancado de Inglaterra? El libro explica ... "En el siglo diecisiete, los holandeses poseían la marina mercante más grande del mundo, pero Inglaterra, al extender sus dominios coloniales, finalmente prevaleció sobre ese reino". Entonces no se menciona la guerra o la batalla, sino simplemente la supremacía comercial. Si podemos discutir si una batalla importante puede realmente "divulgar un cuerno", ¿qué puede decirse de una batalla comercial? Parece un concepto bastante forzado porque, en la historia de la humanidad, muchos reinos han sido vencidos (incluso aplastados) desde un punto de vista económico / comercial y seguramente Inglaterra, con todas sus colonias diseminadas por el mundo, puede "jactarse" "el aplanamiento de muchos otros imperios comerciales globales. Si hacemos una investigación sobre Holanda, de hecho, leeremos acerca de las conquistas de los sajones y los francos, pero nunca de los británicos. Además, todo el libro de Daniel, cuando menciona el "romper el cuerno" o "los cuernos", se refiere a la guerra, luego a la conquista militar del reino o a la muerte del soberano. En este sentido, no incluye ninguna de las tres "batallas" mencionadas por separado, tal vez, la victoria obtenida mucho más tarde, en 1815, contra Napoleón. Tenga en cuenta las palabras del ángel, también informadas en el libro, sobre este poder: el ángel le dijo a Daniel que la cuarta bestia, o cuarto reino, "habría devorado toda la tierra". (Daniel 7:23) Hay otra dificultad y es bíblica. Si el imperio angloamericano es una extensión de la Roma antigua, como explica el mismo libro, al comentar sobre la imagen inmensa (capítulo 2), ¿por qué se identifica a este último como un rey del sur?  
La antigua Roma, de hecho, representaba al rey del norte.   Todos los reyes de la estatua de Daniel 2 pueden ser identificados como "el rey del norte"; ¿Es posible que el último rey (pies) sea el rey del sur?   ¿Deberíamos suponer que el rey del sur nació de las raíces del rey del norte? Si es así, ¿con qué propósito o beneficio habría sido crear estas distinciones? ¿No sería suficiente y más claro decir que varias naciones habrían estado en guerra durante varios siglos? ¿Cuál fue el uso de la investigación en investigación para tratar de entender qué rey o reino habría representado al rey del sur o del norte si hubieran sido intercambiables? Esto lleva a un problema aún mayor. Según Daniel, el último enfrentamiento termina con la victoria del rey del norte y, de hecho, después de Daniel 11:40 que menciona esta batalla, no se menciona al rey del sur y, en realidad, se dice simplemente que el rey victorioso "debe alcanzar al su fin "- Daniel 11:45 Siempre hablando del mismo rey, se dice que "Y contra el Príncipe de príncipes+ se pondrá de pie, pero será sin mano como será quebrado" - Daniel 8:25. Todo esto está en armonía con el relato de Apocalipsis que menciona una sola potencia dominante, la última, que luchará contra el Cordero - Apocalipsis 13: 2; 19: 19-21 A lo largo de Apocalipsis, al menos desde el capítulo 9 en adelante, no hay dos poderes antagónicos sino un poder dominante al cual Satanás le da "su trono, su poder y gran autoridad" - Apocalipsis 13: 2. Esta bestia, exactamente como Daniel escribe, "devora a toda la tierra" - Daniel 7:23; Apocalipsis 13: 7. En este punto nos enfrentamos a un problema insuperable. O el poder angloamericano es en realidad el rey del norte (y entonces encajarían con una parte de las palabras de Daniel y Apocalipsis) o el cuerno pequeño que se hizo grande no puede ser Inglaterra, y mucho menos el imperio angloamericano. Así que tratemos de buscar otro sujeto político y también comencemos con una suposición lógica y bíblica. Después de la derrota del último rey, el tercero, se habla de que la Corte se siente para quitar este dominio y destruirlo - Daniel 7: 24-26 Ninguna otra guerra humana u otros reyes dominantes se mencionan mientras tanto. Entonces, si este cuerno se convierte en el último rey dominante, debemos suponer que al menos el último de los tres reyes, el rey del sur, de hecho, todavía está vivo. Si esto no fuera así, nos encontraríamos ya ahora en la gran tribulación o bajo el juicio de Armagedón. Los reyes caídos, útil para identificar este cuerno pequeño, que se dispararon, pueden ser a lo sumo dos. Comenzamos la búsqueda de este cuerno, sin perder de vista al rey del norte. Si tuviéramos la certeza de aquellos que encarnan al rey del norte a lo largo de los siglos, no necesitaríamos ir "ciegamente" para ver cuántos reinos se hicieron grandes y contar los reyes caídos para cada nación probable. Debemos encontrar una nación que pueda identificarse razonablemente como un rey del norte y, al mismo tiempo, encarnar las otras características descritas. Los espejos de resumen de estos dos grupos se encuentran respectivamente en las páginas 228 y 246 del libro mencionado anteriormente. Los dos últimos reyes mencionados son el imperio germánico (en el papel del rey del norte) y el imperio angloamericano (en el papel del rey del sur). Se notará que una de las razones por las cuales Alemania es identificada como "rey del norte" es el hecho de que está aliada con Italia, esa nación histórica de la antigua Roma, así como también las conexiones con el Sacro Imperio Romano. La otra indicación es que William I asumió el título de Kaiser (César). Suponiendo que la Alemania nazi fuera el rey del norte, debemos preguntarnos quién asumió este papel al final de la guerra. Después de todo, como hemos visto da los reyes o emperadores anteriores, estos dos antagonistas siempre han resucitado. La respuesta podría ser más simple de lo que siempre hemos imaginado. Hasta ahora hemos reconstruido la identidad de sus respectivos reyes por el linaje de sangre o por los territorios ocupados. Cuando cambia la identidad de los dos reyes (ver capítulo catorce), toda la cuestión se juega en el territorio de Siria. Siria representa al rey del norte, mientras que Egipto es el rey del sur. Sin embargo, con la intervención de Roma entre los dos contendientes, Antíoco IV (sirio) debe abandonar sus reclamos sobre Egipto. Esto pone fin a la rivalidad entre los dos reyes. Podemos decir que el rey del norte en ese momento ya no existe (pero sería mejor decir que no es visible). Menos de cien años después, Siria se convierte en una provincia romana. Es solo por esta razón que podemos identificar a Roma como el rey del norte: el vínculo político / geográfico. Se podría decir que el rey del norte (y también su rival) es un sujeto extranacional que se mueve de nación en nación pero que, en cada movimiento, siempre se aleja del último lugar donde estuvo. Por lo tanto, no importa cuál sea la nación, el linaje, la etnia o la cultura en la que terminará este tema, pero solo cuenta su última etapa (y al límite la huella que dejó en esta última etapa). Además, por lo que hemos visto hasta ahora, el rey del norte nunca se convierte en el rey del sur y viceversa, incluso si una parte de los territorios conquistados puede ser compartida por ambos. Partiendo de esta suposición, abrimos el libro "¡Presten atención a las profecías de Daniel!" en la página 257 (capítulo quince, siempre de la ediciòn italiana: en otras ediciones puede tener pagina diferente).   En esta fotografía vemos claramente a los ganadores de la última gran guerra que llevó a la derrota de la Alemania nazi, o al viejo rey del norte. Usted ve al primer ministro británico Winston Churchill (por lo tanto parte del rey del sur), Franklin D. Roosvelt (presidente de los Estados Unidos, también parte del rey del sur) e Iosif Stalin (¿cuál rey?). ¿Quién dividió a la Alemania nazi entre estos? Inicialmente, en agosto de 1945, se dividió en cuatro partes: francés al sur-oeste, británico al noroeste, EE. UU. Al sur y soviético al este. De uno de estos imperios nacería el rey del norte, pero ... Inglaterra y los Estados Unidos, en la parte del rey del sur, no podían cambiar su identidad. Las únicas dos posibilidades permanecieron, por lo tanto, Francia y Rusia. Sin embargo, la Francia de Napoleón puede haber desempeñado el papel de rey del sur cuando infligió un golpe mortal al Sacro Imperio Romano en 1805. ¿Quién permaneció, entonces? La Rusia de Stalin, naturalmente. Además, quizás pocos saben que incluso la palabra rusa hecha "Zar", al igual que kaiser en alemán, significa César * (ver nota al pie). El último zar ruso, Nicolás II, fue depuesto en 1917 y hasta ahora hemos hablado de la división de Alemania casi treinta años más tarde, pero es interesante observar cómo "franco" este imperio para el papel de rey del norte (así como el Impresión romana evidente). Rusia, en su crecimiento desproporcionado, también ha incorporado algunas naciones que originalmente fueron colonias romanas. Así que profundicemos en la historia de Rusia para ver si coincide con la descripción que la Biblia hace de ella. No nos confundamos: cualquier nación que desempeñe el papel del rey del norte en nuestros días, no necesariamente tiene que identificarse como tal en sus primeros días (lo importante es que no es parte del rey del sur). De hecho, hasta la segunda guerra mundial, el rey del norte está representado por la Alemania de Hitler. Las pistas para rastrear la identidad de este rey, que en el último momento interpretará al rey del norte, pueden ser mucho más antiguas. Exactamente como con la explicación del libro citado, que señala a Inglaterra como el cuerno pequeño, solo muchos años después "crece mucho" (con la alianza de los Estados Unidos) pero las batallas mencionadas son útiles para su identificación (España, Holanda, Francia) ocurrió cuando todavía era pequeño (es decir, los Estados Unidos no entraron en estos conflictos). Simplificando: encontramos una nación que derrota a dos reyes, que crece mucho, que está presente en nuestros días y se convierte en el rey del norte debido al territorio conquistado en la última guerra.   Habitado desde la antigüedad, en el primer milenio aC el territorio de la Rusia actual albergaba poblaciones de diferentes razas, idiomas y culturas, entre los cuales surgieron primero los escitas y los sármatas. Entre el 3ro y el 9no siglo AD los godos, los hunos, y luego una serie de poblaciones eslavas que se establecieron principalmente en Ucrania y en las regiones circundantes, llegaron al país. Un punto de inflexión importante se produjo en la segunda mitad del siglo IX, cuando una población escandinava, la Variaghi, también llamada Rus (de ahí el nombre de Rusia), fundó con Rjurik el primer núcleo del estado ruso en torno a la región de Nóvgorod. http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/storia-della-russia_(Enciclopedia-dei-ragazzi)/
El nacimiento de este pequeño asentamiento, Rjurik, podría considerarse el cuerno pequeño. Algo realmente insignificante. Mucho más insignificante que Inglaterra podría considerarse en el momento de las conquistas romanas. Si también quisimos movernos seiscientos años al Gran Ducado de Moscovia bajo la guía de Iván III (1462-1505), no se puede negar que desde entonces este cuerno ha crecido de una manera muy desproporcionada. ¡Este imperio ha continuado expandiéndose exponencialmente para alcanzar un área de más de 17 millones de kilómetros cuadrados!   Los Rus fundaron Rjurik en el siglo IX. Hoy supera los 17 millones de kilómetros cuadrados   Podría discutirse sobre guerras internas, sobre formas de agregación, en tiempos no lineales ... no importa. La única cosa que importa, con el fin de identificar, es su crecimiento desproporcionado. La objeción de que muchas naciones de la antigua Unión Soviética no pueden identificarse a sí mismas como el cuerno porque se separaron del imperio original en independencia (quince estados son postsoviéticos) no es válida. Incluso el imperio angloamericano se considera como un poder único, sin embargo, Gran Bretaña y los Estados Unidos han sido soberanos e independientes entre sí. ¿Cuál y cuántos reyes derrotó este cuerno? Sin duda, el primero fue Napoleón. En este sentido, leemos …   Las pérdidas del Gran Ejército en Rusia fueron catastróficas y tuvieron una influencia irreversible en el equilibrio militar en Europa; de acuerdo con Georges Lefebvre, Napoleón tenía aproximadamente 400,000 muertos y desaparecidos y 100,000 prisioneros [3]; David G. Chandler habla en lugar de 370,000 muertos y desaparecidos y 200,000 prisioneros, incluyendo 48 generales y 3,000 oficiales; además de las pérdidas humanas, las pérdidas materiales sufridas por el ejército también fueron desastrosas; los franceses trajeron solo 250 cañones de Rusia, los rusos aseguraron haber capturado 925; La pérdida de más de 200,000 caballos para los franceses, que privó a la caballería napolitana de los medios para regresar al poder original en las campañas de guerra posteriores, también fue muy grave. ( … ) Sobre las causas de la catástrofe del Gran Ejército, Napoleón en el 29 ° Boletín y luego en el Memorial de Santa Elena condujo la ruina de su empresa casi exclusivamente al clima invernal ruso temprano que debilitaría a las tropas y convertiría la campaña rusa en un desastre [204] ]. Esta interpretación tradicional fue tomada de los testimonios y los primeros historiadores franceses; Philippe-Paul de Ségur, participante y primer gran historiador de la empresa, explicó la catástrofe también destacando las precarias condiciones de salud de Napoleón, lo que habría afectado la actividad y la resolución, y se refería a factores externos como el destino adverso y falta de suerte. https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagna_di_Russia#Bilancio_e_conseguenze
Es verdad que Napoleón fue oficialmente derrotado en Waterloo por la "séptima coalición", pero ¿cómo hubieran ido las cosas si el emperador todavía hubiera tenido a todos sus generales y sus hombres más poderosos? Dado que la historia no se hace con el “quizàs” y con el “pero”, no podemos saber, pero la derrota pensante que sufrieron los franceses en Rusia (y los números hablan claramente) no podía que cambiar el destino. Muchos historiadores estàsn de acuerdo que fue la Rusia el verdadero ganador de la guerra. También en este caso es difícil ser categórico sobre quién realmente rompió el cuerno, pero seguramente la derrota que el ejército de Napoleón sufrió en Rusia no es remotamente comparable a lo que le sucedió a la armada española en 1588. Además, esta batalla prejuzgó el destino de la guerra, así como la caída de la propia Francia, algo que no se puede decir de la España del 1588.     Napoleòn es el primero cuerno ¿Quién podría ser el segundo? Solo Adolf Hitler, último rey del norte en orden de tiempo.   La batalla de Stalingrado, iniciada en el verano de 1942 con el avance de las tropas del Eje hasta el Don y el Volga, finalizó en el invierno de 1943, después de una serie de fases dramáticas y sangrientas, con la aniquilación del 6. ° ejército alemán permaneció rodeado por Stalingrado y con la destrucción de la mayoría de las otras fuerzas germánicas y del Eje comprometidas en el área estratégica del sur del frente oriental. Esta larga y gigantesca batalla, definida por algunos historiadores como "la más importante de todas la Segunda Guerra Mundial", [12] marcó la primera gran derrota político-militar de la Alemania nazi y sus aliados y satélites, así como el comienzo de avanzado soviético hacia el oeste que terminaría dos años más tarde con la conquista del edificio del Reichstag y el suicidio de Hitler en el búnker de la Cancillería durante la batalla de Berlín. [13]  
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battaglia_di_Stalingrado#Dicembre.2C_il_tentativo_di_salvataggio_tedesco
  Aquí también, las pérdidas en términos de vidas humanas son realmente increíble Ningún historiador serio puede negar el papel decisivo que tuvo Rusia en la derrota de la Alemania nazi.     Hitler es el segundo cuerno Se cumplieron todas las condiciones para identificar al último rey del norte. Tenía que nacer como un cuerno pequeño. Se había convertido en enorme. Tenía que identificarse como un rey del norte. Tenía que soltar tres cuernos.     ¿Quién es, por lo tanto, el tercer rey? Él será el rey del sur, como las Escrituras predicen. Es en ese punto que se dará grandes arias "hasta el ejército de los cielos, para que deje caer parte del ejército y parte de las estrellas" ... pisoteando la verdadera adoración y los verdaderos cristianos. Después de esta tercera victoria no habrá otros reyes e imperios capaces de luchar contra él y es en este punto que "devorará toda la tierra" - Daniel 7:23; Apocalipsis 13: 4 También es en este punto que el Príncipe de los príncipes intervendrá y lo destruirá "sin mano". De hecho, hay un último detalle, podemos decir la condición, que debería haberse respetado, pero esto es evidente en otras escrituras. Este rey habría comenzado a suprimir el sacrificio continuo, o la obra de predicación, en su territorio - Daniel 11:31 También está claro que esta supresión, ya que se habría "inundado e invadido" durante la guerra, se habría extendido a otras naciones (pero no se excluye que esta proscripción se extendería incluso antes de la guerra). Los recientes eventos que han involucrado a nuestros hermanos en Rusia ... ¿no parecen una clara indicación para identificar al pequeño cuerno?     Nota de pie de página * La continuidad real y legal legítima del Imperio Romano continúa con Iván III, (según algunos descendientes de Druso Germanico, emperador romano) cónyuge de Zoe Paleologa, sobrina y heredera del trono del último emperador bizantino (Imperio Romano de Oriente).   Referencias históricas para profundizar http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/storia-della-russia_%28Enciclopedia-dei-ragazzi%29/ https://www.mondimedievali.net/Medioevorusso/cronologia.htm https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comunit%C3%A0_degli_Stati_Indipendenti https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variaghi https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impero_russo https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storia_della_Germania_dal_1945#La_Germania_dal_1945_al_1949 https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagna_di_Russia#Catastrofe_finale_della_Grande_Armata http://www.maat.it/livello2/napoleone-2.htm https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battaglia_di_Waterloo#Valutazioni_conclusive

Daniel 8:9-12
 

“Ahora bien, estos eran de disposición más noble que los de Tesalónica, porque recibieron la palabra con suma prontitud de ánimo, y examinaban con cuidado+ las Escrituras+ diariamente en cuanto a si estas cosas eran así” – Hechos 17:11    
¿Quién es realmente Babilonia la Grande?
Estoy seguro que tu crees que la Biblia es la Palabra de Dios.
Si realmente lo crees, estarás de acuerdo que Ella es consistente y no contradice a sí misma.
También aceptarás que es la máxima autoridad a la que debería referirse el cristiano: compare Mateo 4: 4.
El Señor Jesucristo fue indudablemente la persona más educada e inteligente que haya existido; sin embargo, muchas veces en sus discursos se refirió a la Palabra de Dios - Mateo 15: 3-9; 21: 13-16; Marcos 12: 24-27
No solo esto, Él animó a leer y meditar personalmente sobre las Escrituras - Lucas 10:25, 26
Estoy seguro de que eso es lo que ya estás haciendo, pero... ¿alguna vez has conocido a una persona con un prejuicio?
¿No es cierto que algunas personas, a pesar de ser devotos, no logran entender ciertas escrituras debido a sus propias ideas preconcebidas?
Si una persona cree firmemente en la inmortalidad innata del alma humana, por ejemplo, cuando lee una escritura simple y directa como Juan 5:28, 29 ¿qué va a decir, lo más probable?
"¡La resurrección tiene lugar en el cielo!" y por lo tanto, no hará mucho preguntar "dónde están las tumbas conmemorativas" porque su propia preconcepción les impedirá de comprender incluso las cosas más simples.
Esto no significa que la persona sea estúpida o incluso una mala persona. Simplemente tiene un prejuicio.
¿Estás de acuerdo en que el cristiano debe estudiar la Biblia con el mayor cuidado de la mente, a semejanza de los bereanos, y esto incluye no tener ningún tipo de prejuicio?
¿Crees que es posible que incluso entre los verdaderos cristianos, hoy en día, los prejuicios pueden existir? - Gálatas 2: 11-14
Este artículo pretende mostrar lo que la Biblia realmente enseña sobre un tema muy importante: Babilonia la Grande.
¿Harás que la máxima autoridad, osea la Biblia, tenga la última palabra en este sentido, o permitirás que prevalezca un posible prejuicio?

Babilonia la Grande: ¿qué dice la Biblia?
¿Qué sabemos con certeza acerca de Babilonia la Grande?
Se describe como una mujer vestida de púrpura y escarlata y adornada con piedras preciosas y perlas - Apocalipsis 17: 4
Ella está sosteniendo una copa de oro llena de "cosas repugnantes" y está sentada "sobre una feroz bestia escarlata que estaba cubierta de nombres blasfemos y tenía siete cabezas y diez cuernos" - Apocalipsis 17: 3.
También está sentado en "muchas aguas" que significa "pueblos, multitudes, naciones y lenguas" - Apocalipsis 17:15
Ella es descrita como una "gran ramera" ya que los reyes de la tierra cometen inmoralidad sexual con ella y todos los habitantes de la tierra se emborrachan con el vino de su inmoralidad sexual - Apocalipsis 17: 1, 2.
Estos aspectos fundamentales y todos los eventos que giran en torno a élla, descritos en los capítulos 17 y 18 de Apocalipsis, son las únicas pistas que tenemos útiles para identificar correctamente el tema.
Debido al nombre que lleva, la historia de la antigua Babilonia también puede ser útil, pero lo más básico es que cualquier razonamiento que se haga para identificarlo está en armonía con la Palabra de Dios - 2 Timoteo 3:16, 17
Estoy seguro de que estarás de acuerdo en esto.
Entonces comenzamos a ver si lo que se nos ha dicho sobre este tema está realmente en armonía con las Escrituras.

¿No puede ser una nación?

Se nos ha dicho, por ejemplo, que Babilonia la Grande no puede ser una nación.
Una de las razones principales para probarlo es el hecho de que "comete fornicación con los reyes de la tierra".
Un fortalecimiento de esta declaración sería el hecho de que tanto los reyes como los comerciantes lloran su destrucción.
En final, no sería una nación porque se dice que engaña a toda la tierra habitada a través de sus "prácticas espirituales".
"Veamos si las cosas son realmente así" examinando las Escrituras - Hechos 17:11
En Isaías 23: 15-17 hablamos de Tiro como una "prostituta olvidada" y por lo tanto, como tal, "comete prostitución con todos los reinos de la tierra sobre la haz del suelo".
Vamos a detenernos por un momento.
¿Estás de acuerdo en que Isaías está hablando de una nación, y no de un imperio simbólico o espiritual, y de que esta nación comete prostitución con todos los reinos de la tierra? - Romanos 15.4
Entonces, una nación puede describirse, en la Biblia, en el acto de prostituirse con todos los reinos de la tierra y quedar a ser una nación.
La prostitución puede tener que ver con el comercio o los actos de injusticia y derramamiento de sangre y no necesariamente con la religión - Naum 3: 1-4
En particular, la prostitución de Tiro no tiene nada que ver con la religión falsa porque, de ser así, Jehová no habría considerado "santa" su "recompensa" - Isaías 23:18

La prostitución puede tener que ver con el pacto y la confianza puestos en otras naciones, como se ha dicho muchas veces en la Biblia cuando Israel y Judá demostraron ser infieles al aliarse con las naciones paganas.
Por lo tanto, está claro que si se compara a esta nación con una prostituta, la pérdida de esta prostituta habría causado dolor a sus amantes (las naciones con las que prostituyó y los mercaderes que se han enriquecido con ella) así como el antiguo Israel sintió alegría. para los regalos de prostitución de Tiro y esto no porque Tiro fuera una religión o la religión de Tiro.
Un rey puede "llorar" por la pérdida de un aliado político (por lo tanto, por la caída de una nación) y un gran comerciante puede llorar por la caída de un aliado comercial (que puede ser una nación grande o pequeña pero ciertamente rica).
Entonces las razones por las cuales "Babilonia la Grande" no puede ser una nación porque los reyes y los mercaderes lloran su partida no son válidos.
¿Qué podemos decir, sin embargo, de la afirmación más fuerte en referencia a Babilonia La Grande, es decir, que "todas las naciones han sido engañadas por su práctica espiritual"?
Esta declaración en particular ha llevado a muchos a pensar que fue un imperio religioso (para muchas sectas del cristianismo, Babilonia la Grande es catolicismo y para algunos católicos incluso es el Concilio Vaticano II).
En primer lugar, debemos darnos cuenta de que todos los imperios del pasado han recurrido a prácticas espiritistas, y esto también es cierto para los llamados imperios ateo modernos.
Faraón se opuso a sus "practicantes de magia" a Moisés y Nabucodonosor fue prácticamente rodeado - Éxodo 7:11 - Daniel 2: 2
Lo mismo puede decirse de Asiria, Siria, Media Persia, etc.
Entonces, si la Biblia, hablando de una nación literal, dijera que "usa magia" o "práctica de adivinación", no diría nada excepcional.
También sabemos por el estudio de las Escrituras que las naciones están gobernadas por demonios que engañan a toda la tierra habitada y que durante las guerras no solo están involucrados los seres humanos - Daniel 10:13
¿Podemos hipotetizar que los demonios le han dado un poder particular a una nación y que esto tiene, hoy, "el reino sobre los reyes de la tierra"? - Apocalipsis 17:18 (vea también Lucas 4: 5-7)
Independientemente de nuestras creencias, si nos atenemos solo a las Escrituras no podemos descartar "Babilonia la Grande" entre las naciones.

Si Babilonia la Grande fuera una nación, ¿a qué nación correspondería hoy?

De lo que acabamos de leer, aceptar la posibilidad de que Babilonia la Grande sea una nación implica comprender qué nación puede ser.
De hecho, a lo largo de la historia, ha sida "identificada" con muchas ciudades y naciones: USA, EU, El Reino Unido, la URSS, Roma, China y, por supuesto, todos pueden decir lo que quieran.
Sin embargo, ninguna de estas hipótesis ha pasado el escrutinio de las Escrituras que, como hemos dicho, es la única autoridad.
De las pistas de Apocalipsis, ¿podemos entender de manera unívoca qué nación podría ser?
En Apocalipsis 17: 1, 2 leemos que Babilonia la Grande "se sienta sobre muchas aguas".
Sabemos que las aguas significan "pueblos y multitudes y naciones e idiomas".
¿Qué nación, más que todas otras, se sienta hoy sobre muchos pueblos?
Israel "se sienta sobre muchas aguas" porque está rodeado de pueblos y naciones que no lo soportan ("sentarse" también puede significar en contra de la voluntad de los pueblos vecinos).
En Isaías 8: 5-8 uno habla del poderoso ejército asirio como "aguas devastadoras"; por lo tanto, las "aguas" no son siempre un símbolo de protección.
Ella fue puesta allí por la ONU contra la voluntad de las muchas naciones vecinas.
También se sienta "sobre muchas aguas" porque su posición se debe a las naciones que forman las Naciones Unidas (Babilonia la Grande también se sienta sobre la bestia salvaje de color escarlata, ¿quién es la bestia de color escarlata?) que, además de haberla establecida donde todavía es hoy, la protegen militarmente.
Los ejércitos de Asiria se comparan con las "aguas devastadoras", por lo que podemos decir que también se sientan en muchos ejércitos. - Apocalipsis 17: 3, 16
También es digno de mención que solo la nación de Israel està en la "encrucijada" de tres continentes: Europa, África y Asia.
Tal vez piensas que esto no tiene sentido, pero te invito a seguir leyendo.
Recuerde: un prejuicio puede afectar la comprensión - Santiago 1:19
Si Babilonia la Grande fuera una nación (supongamos, si lo fuera) y quisiera encontrar una nación situada en "muchas aguas" (es decir, pueblos y naciones y tribus e idiomas), geográficamente y políticamente, ¿qué nación correspondería mejor que Israel moderno?
También sabemos que la prostituta monta una feroz bestia escarlata.
De acuerdo con lo que nos han enseñado, ¿quién o qué representa esta bestia escarlata?
Es la ONU, ¿verdad?
En Apocalipsis 17: 3 leemos: "Y me llevó en [el poder del] espíritu+ a un desierto. Y alcancé a ver a una mujer sentada sobre una bestia salvaje de color escarlata+ que estaba llena de nombres blasfemos+ y que tenía siete cabezas+ y diez cuernos".
¿Cómo es posible que el imperio mundial de la religión falsa se suba a la ONU?
En cambio, Israel existe, gracias al impulso del imperio angloamericano, gracias y a través de las Naciones Unidas, desde 1948.
Los eventos históricos anteriores y posteriores a la creación del estado de Israel confirman que el pueblo judío ha montado en la bestia salvaje de color escarlata incluso antes de volver a ser una nación.
En este sentido, los animo a hacer una investigación histórica sobre Balfour (1917) y todos los eventos posteriores.
Hay otro detalle al que debemos prestarle atención.
Esta bestia es de color escarlata y representa a las Naciones Unidas, ¿verdad?
La gran prostituta está vestida de púrpura y escarlata. ¿No parece indicar que es una nación?
La Revelación también nos dice que ella es la madre de todas las prostitutas.
¿En qué sentido?
Apocalipsis 17: 4-5: "Y la mujer estaba vestida de púrpura y escarlata, y estaba adornada de oro, piedras preciosas y perlas, y tenía en su mano una copa de oro llena de cosas repugnantes y los impíos de su fornicación. en su frente estaba escrito un nombre, un misterio: 'Babilonia la Grande, la madre de las rameras y de las cosas repugnantes de la tierra' ".
Si aceptamos la posibilidad de que una nación pueda compararse con una prostituta (al igual que Tiro), entonces la nación de Israel es la "madre de todas las prostitutas" porque ha cometido una mayor fornicación que ninguna otra nación en el mundo.
¿Cómo podemos decirlo?
Si la ramera cabalga sobre la bestia salvaje de color escarlata, que, como sabemos, es la Liga o la Liga de las Naciones, se supone que cometió fornicación con todas las naciones que se adhieren a las Naciones Unidas.
De hecho, su propia existencia como nación se debe a sus amantes políticos, asiqué, para continuar a existir, debe cometer un exceso de prostitución de manera continua. 
Ninguna otra nación puede compararse con ella como actos de prostitución porque ninguna otra nación tiene la necesidad urgente de agradar a la ONU para que siga a existir.

Borracha con la sangre de los santos.

La escritura continúa diciendo "Y vi que la mujer estaba ebria de la sangre de los santos y de los testigos de Jesús".
Israel tiene una gran culpa de sangre y Jesús se refirió a esta nación cuando dijo: "para que venga sobre ustedes toda la sangre justa vertida sobre la tierra,+ desde la sangre del justo+ Abel+ hasta la sangre de Zacarías, hijo de Baraquías, a quien ustedes asesinaron entre el santuario y el altar" - Mateo 23:35 - Luca 11:50, 51
Así que Jesús mismo identifica a Israel, no a otra nación, como responsable del pago de "toda la sangre justa" (compárense también las palabras de Hechos 7: 51-53). 
El libro "Insight" (Perspicacia) bajo el título "Babilonia la Grande", señala correctamente que no todos los cristianos fueron perseguidos por los fariseos y los Judios mismos han sufrido, a su vez, una gran persecución y es absolutamente cierto.
Sin embargo, incluso Abel no fue asesinado por un fariseo o incluso por ningún ministro religioso.
Además, los millones de muertes causadas por el imperio ateo comunista difícilmente podrían apuntar a la religión falsa.
¿Podemos hipotetizar que Jehová y Jesús consideran particularmente responsables a aquellos que han "conocido a Dios" y, a pesar de esto, han cometido crímenes indescriptibles?
La nación de Israel encaja perfectamente en este contexto. - Oseas 8: 2 - Amós 3: 2

Condolencia para la muerte de Babilonia.

Apocalipsis 18: 9-14 dice: ”Y los reyes+ de la tierra que cometieron fornicación con ella y vivieron en lujo desvergonzado llorarán y se golpearán en desconsuelo por ella,+ cuando miren el humo+ del incendio de ella, 10  mientras se quedan de pie lejos, por su temor del tormento de ella, y dicen:+ ‘¡Qué lástima, qué lástima, tú, la gran ciudad,+ Babilonia la fuerte ciudad, porque en una sola hora ha llegado tu juicio!’.+ 11  ”También, los comerciantes+ viajeros de la tierra están llorando y lamentándose por ella,+ porque no hay nadie que compre ya su surtido cabal, 12  surtido cabal+ de oro y plata y piedra preciosa y perlas y lino fino y púrpura y seda y escarlata; y todo lo de madera olorosa* y toda clase de objeto de marfil y toda clase de objeto de la madera más preciosa, y de cobre y de hierro y de mármol;+ 13  también canela y especia de la India* e incienso y aceite perfumado y olíbano y vino y aceite de oliva y flor de harina y trigo y ganado mayor y ovejas, y caballos y coches y esclavos* y almas humanas.*+ 14  Sí, el fruto excelente que tu alma deseaba*+ se ha apartado de ti, y todas las cosas exquisitas y las cosas suntuosas han perecido de ti, y nunca volverán a hallarse".
Como vimos al principio, tanto los reyes de la tierra como los comerciantes viajeros sufren por la desaparición de su amante.
A diferencia de cualquier otra nación, la destrucción de Israel traería desesperación y "desgracias" entre gobernantes y comerciantes de todo el mundo.
¿Por qué?
Porque los judíos son dueños de los bancos más grandes del mundo, casi todo el oro, el petróleo, las multinacionales más grandes y todo lo que se pueda imaginar.
Las potencias mundiales más grandes (incluidas EE. UU., La URSS y China) se han beneficiado de copiosos préstamos para librar una guerra contra otras naciones y para construir estructuras colosales y masivas (como el Canal de Suez).
Solo haga una investigación para descubrir cómo y cuántos propietarios de los bancos más grandes del mundo han estado involucrados en casi todas las guerras de los últimos dos siglos y probablemente en un tiempo muy lejano.
Las palabras de Apocalipsis 18: 11-14 a este respecto son significativas.
Realmente los reyes de los comerciantes de la tierra y viajeros de todo el mundo estarían derecho a golpearse el pecho, a llorar y gritar, "¡Que lastima!"

"Sálganse de ella, pueblo mío"
 
  Apocalipsis 18:4 dice:
Y oí otra voz procedente del cielo decir: “Sálganse de ella, pueblo mío,+ si no quieren participar con ella en sus pecados,+ y si no quieren recibir parte de sus plagas". Si Babilonia la Grande es la nación moderna de Israel, entonces es fácil entender a quién se dirige este llamado urgente: a nuestros queridos hermanos presentes en la nación de Israel que también son "un remanente para ser salvos". Si permanecían allí, recibirían parte de sus heridas como resultado del ataque furioso de las Naciones Unidas.
Esta posibilidad se debe evaluar muy seriamente. Esto también significaría que la destrucción de Jerusalén ocurrió en 537 a.E.V. y luego en 70 E.V. tendría un cumplimiento adicional y definitivo. El tercero (Apocalipsis 4: 8; 8:13; 16:13, 19 - Ezequiel 21:14). El libro de "Apocalipsis: su culminación", página 265 párrafo 24 (en la edición italiana) explica que los siervos de Dios deben separarse de la religión falsa si no quieren recibir parte de sus heridas. Sin embargo, ¿podemos razonar sobre el significado de la expresión "mi pueblo"?
Cualquiera que sea parte de la religión falsa, a pesar de tener las mejores intenciones, no puede ser llamado "pueblo de Dios".
Esta es, de hecho, una de las cosas que la gente del mundo nos reprocha cuando dicen "¡Solo tú crees que tienes la verdad!".  De hecho, uno se convierte en parte del pueblo de Dios solo después de haber entendido las verdades bíblicas fundamentales, haberse arrepentido de la conducta del pasado, haberse convertido y por lo tanto dedicado y bautizado.
¿Es esto correcto? ¿Cómo puede Dios llamar a su pueblo entre las filas de la religión falsa? Si Babilonia la Grande es el imperio mundial de la religión falsa, debemos asumir necesariamente que Dios llama a las personas que se convertirán en su pueblo. Esas personas que podrían convertirse en su gente, pero que aún no lo son.
La Escritura, sin embargo, parece indicar claramente que, cuando llama a estas personas "fuera de Babilonia", ya son su pueblo (tal como lo hicieron en la antigüedad, tal vez tuvieron que ser purificados y disciplinados, pero permanecieron, todo el tiempo, Su pueblo).
Si Babilonia la Grande, por otra parte, es la nación moderna de Israel, entonces no hay mucho que interpretar.
Nuestros queridos hermanos también están en la nación moderna de Israel. 
¿Es posible que Dios les esté diciendo a los hermanos presentes en Israel que huyan literalmente en vista de la destrucción inminente?
Esto significaría que "el remanente", como se informó muchas veces en las Escrituras, ¡sería literalmente (y físicamente) un remanente! Un remanente da salvar.
Si admitimos que Babilonia la Grande es una nación, ¿corresponde Israel a la descripción que hace la Biblia?
Nos guste o no, y por más que pueda constituir un "efecto dominó" en otras interpretaciones, esto está en armonía tanto con la historia secular como con las Escrituras.
Entonces la respuesta es sí.

¿Cuál de los dos temas, a la luz de las Escrituras y no de deseos o ideas personales, es más probable que lo sea?

Hagamos una serie de reflexiones honestas.
Es evidente que en la Biblia hay cientos de paralelismos entre Babilonia e Israel infiel.
Incluso la copa "llena de cosas repugnantes" de la que la ramera se embriaga recuerda los utensilios del templo de Jehová.
El problema es comprender lo que debemos entender cuando leemos estos paralelos.
Sin duda, la religión falsa tiene algunos puntos en común con la descripción de Babilonia la Grande (como el derramamiento de sangre y sus prácticas espirituales en todas las naciones), pero ¿podemos decir honestamente que responde a todas las indicaciones indicadas?
Todos los juicios de Jehová, informados en las Escrituras, han caído sobre pueblos y naciones literales, e incluso las heridas enviadas a la tierra de Egipto, que sirvieron para destruir / humillar a sus dioses falsos, pero tuvieron que caer sobre una nación específica.
Si aceptamos la posibilidad de que Babilonia la Grande sea un lugar literal (y seamos el moderno Israel) debemos considerar que incluso las montañas, sobre las cuales se sienta la mujer, son montañas literales.
Siempre se habla de las siete potencias mundiales de la historia bíblica, pero nunca hablamos de las siete montañas.
Nunca hablamos de las siete montañas porque los poderes políticos, dicen, son las siete montañas.
Sin embargo, la escritura de Apocalipsis 17 explica que hay siete reyes ... y (en conjunción, que es "y también hay") siete montañas, y esta conjunción podría hacer pensar que, incluso si las montañas representan los poderes que conocemos, de hecho hay siete montañas como objeto de similitud con el número de reyes.
Parecería una pista literal útil para identificar a Babilonia la Grande.
Ahora la pregunta es ...
¿Cuál y cuántas montañas se indican en las Escrituras que formaban parte de la Tierra Prometida?
1) Monte Moria 2) Monte Sion 3) Monte de los Olivos 4) Ghilboa 5) Gherizim 6) Ebal 7) Monte Tabor.
Nótese bien: El Monte Nebo y los demás, mencionados también en las Escrituras, formaban parte del territorio de Moab y Edom y, por lo tanto, están excluidos.
Este paralelo es simplemente imposible de hacer con el imperio mundial de la religión falsa.

Apocalipsis 3:12 y otras escrituras que se cumplen después del día del Señor, que mencionan la Nueva Jerusalén, parecen enfatizar un contraste con la Vieja Jerusalén.
En el cap. 18 de Apocalipsis, Babilonia la Grande es destruida.
En el capítulo 19: 7, 8 el matrimonio del cordero está preparado, entonces ...
Murió la prostituta que se hizo pasar por la novia y el matrimonio puede haber comenzado finalmente.
El matrimonio tiene lugar con la "Nueva Jerusalén"; ¿Quizàs la prostituta era la "Vieja Jerusalén" que es la carnal, impura, desobediente, idólatra? - I Corintios 9: 6-8; 10:18 - Gálatas 4: 26-29
Si estuviera buscando un pueblo y una nación literal que se hiciera pasar y ese fuera el pueblo de Dios, ¿a qué país llegaría?
Solo las personas que realmente eran el pueblo de Dios tendrían los papeles en orden, por así decirlo, para pasar a ser un cónyuge legítimo.

De los dos testigos descritos en el capítulo 11 de Apocalipsis, se dice que, una vez muertos, "sus cadáveres estarán en la ancha calle de la gran ciudad que en sentido espiritual se llama Sodoma y Egipto, donde incluso su Señor fue puesto en la hoguera" - Apocalipsis 11: 8
¿En cual "gran ciudad" el Señor Jesús fue empalado?

Al final podríamos preguntarnos por qué, el escritor de Apocalipsis, después de haber visto espantosas bestias salvajes, increíbles visiones celestiales tanto bellas y aterradoras, declaraciones atronadoras y muchas otras cosas, solo a la vista de la mujer él  "admiré con gran admiración" - Apocalipsis 17: 6 , 7
Por supuesto que no podemos saber, entonces solo podemos hacer hipótesis, pero en general nos sorprende cuando vemos algo que nunca esperaríamos ver.
¿Hubiera podido "maravillarse de gran maravilla" por haber visto a su propio pueblo y a su propia nación (que en el momento de la escritura de Apocalipsis ya no existía)?

Jeremías 25:10, 11 y Apocalipsis 18:22, 23 son muy similares entre sí, sin embargo, Jeremías habla de Israel, mientras que la Revelación habla de Babilonia la Grande.

En Apocalipsis 18: 5-8 se dice que "Dios ha recordado sus actos de injusticia".
¿Por qué Dios "recuerda"?
La religión falsa no siempre ha hecho el mal, en 6,000 historias, sin detenerse ni un momento desde los días de Nimrod.

¿No podría ser porque "Babilonia" no ha existido màs durante muchos años, como nación, sino que aparece nuevamente después del "día del Señor" con otro nombre?

Del libro "Perspicacia", bajo el título "Babilonia la Grande", leemos ...
Características de la antigua Babilonia. La fundación de Babilonia en la llanura de Sinar coincidió con el intento de construir la torre de Babel. (Gé 11: 2-9)
La construcción de la ciudad y la torre por parte del pueblo no fue motivada por la intención de exaltar el nombre de Dios, sino por el deseo de "hacer un nombre famoso". El ziqqurat descubierto no solo en las ruinas de la antigua Babilonia sino en toda Mesopotamia parece confirmar la naturaleza esencialmente religiosa de la torre original, cualquiera que sea su forma o estilo. La acción resuelta de Jehová Dios para derrocar esa construcción Templaria es una clara condena de su falso origen religioso. Mientras que el nombre hebreo de la ciudad, Babel, significa "confusión", el nombre sumerio (Ka-dingir-ra) y el nombre acadio (Bab-ilu) significan "la puerta de Dios". Entonces, los habitantes que quedaron en la ciudad alteraron el nombre para evitar el significado original de la condena, pero la nueva forma también revela la naturaleza religiosa de la ciudad.

Como también se ha informado en las publicaciones, la creación de la nación moderna de Israel y el regreso de los judíos a su tierra natal no fue obra de Dios y, mucho más en serio, no se hizo para dar gloria a Dios. todo esto fue hecho por "el deseo de hacer un nombre famoso".
Además, la religión judía todavía cree que es "la Puerta de Dios", pero es una mistificación de la realidad. Ella no es una consorte o reina legítima pero, con sus alianzas políticas y comerciales, ha demostrado ser una prostituta sórdida (bíblicamente hablando).

En Apocalipsis 16: 16-21 estamos ahora en Armagedón, la gran ciudad está dividida en tres partes, las naciones caen y Babilonia "fue recordada".
Así que Babilonia está relacionada con la caída de otras naciones como si fuera una nación "especial", algo para recordar, pero aún siempre una nación.
¿Cuál de todas las naciones de la tierra podría ser considerada "especial" por Jehová Dios?

¿Podría la copa de oro llena de "cosas repugnantes" llevada a cabo en manos de la gran ramera recordar los utensilios del templo de Dios? - Compara Daniel 5: 1-4

Vamos a tener un par de preguntas al final.

Pregunta uno.
De acuerdo con la explicación del libro "Apocalipsis: su clímax", es apropiado que la gran ramera se siente sobre la bestia salvaje de color escarlata porque, la religión falsa, siempre ha tenido poder sobre los reyes de la tierra llegando incluso a nombrarlos y expulsarlos.
Sabemos que la Liga o la Liga de las Naciones tiene como representantes también a las "viejas naciones" mencionadas en la Biblia como Roma, Media-Persia y otros, pero no hubiera sido más lógico ver a la "gran ramera" cabalgar sobre la primera bestia salvaje y la que asciende desde la mar, ya que la religión falsa existe desde los días de Nimrod?
En cambio, la gran prostituta se sienta en esa bestia que "era,+ pero no es, y, no obstante, está para ascender del abismo" - Apocalipsis 17:8
¿Qué cabalgó el imperio mundial de la religión falsa cuando la bestia no era?

Pregunta dos.Como se ha señalado, en la Biblia, Israel se compara con una esposa y Jehová con el propietario conyugal.
Cuando se mostró infiel, aliándose con otras naciones y mezclándose con la falsa adoración, Israel se volvió "infiel" e incluso "prostituta".
El cristianismo dice servir a Dios pero, en realidad, se prostituye con las naciones y con toda falsa doctrina de origen pagano.
Sin embargo, si Babilonia la Grande es el imperio mundial de la religión falsa (y por lo tanto también incluye religiones como el budismo, el sintoísmo, el hinduismo, las religiones tribales, etc.), ¿por qué se considera, en su conjunto, una prostituta?
¿Se ha identificado alguna vez Jehová como el "propietario conyugal" de naciones como Ammón, Moab, Egipto u otras?


¿Has leído el artículo completo o has llegado al final saltándote las páginas?
¿Has comparado todas las escrituras como los Beraenes o somos "Bereanos" solo cuando tenemos que refutar las doctrinas del cristianismo?

Vístanse de los tiernos cariños de la compasión, la bondad, la humildad mental, la apacibilidad y la gran paciencia. Vístanse de amor, porque es un vínculo perfecto de unión (Col. 3:12, 14).
El amor y la unidad que hay entre los testigos de Jehová demuestra que son la religión verdadera, pues Jesús dijo: “En esto todos conocerán que ustedes son mis discípulos, si tienen amor entre sí” (Juan 13:34, 35). Además, el apóstol Juan escribió: “Los hijos de Dios y los hijos del Diablo [se distinguen] por este hecho: Todo el que no se ocupa en la justicia no se origina de Dios, tampoco el que no ama a su hermano. Porque este es el mensaje que ustedes han oído desde el principio, que debemos tener amor unos para con otros” (1 Juan 3:10, 11). De nuevo, el amor y la unidad de los testigos de Jehová son prueba clara de que son los verdaderos discípulos de Cristo y de que Dios los está utilizando para dar a conocer las buenas noticias del Reino por toda la Tierra (Mat. 24:14). w15 15/11 4:10, 11
https://wol.jw.org/es/wol/dt/r4/lp-s/2017/12/23

Thanks to the coherence of the Word of God we have arrived at an unprecedented understanding of the Holy Writings.
This understanding, far from complete but constantly growing, would not have flowed freely if we had not approached it with the utmost care of mind and without prejudice - compare Acts 17:11
One of the fundamental concepts that would have prevented the understanding of many things is that related to the identity of modern Israel.
Even today this subject confuses and makes it impossible to understand the Bible to the vast majority of religions as well as to individual scholars.


Is an attack on Israel coming?   In this regard, Charles Taze Russell spoke several times to a large audience of Jews in New York and also in Europe on the theme "Zionism in Prophecy" and in 1925 published the book entitled "Comfort for the Jews".
In time, however, it was clear to some that "something was wrong" in part because the Bible very clearly predicted that this return home would bring blessings to humanity and also because it was strange that God Almighty used the empire Anglo-American and United Nations to restore His people on earth.  It is true that in the past a similar thing happened, but the Jewish people of that time did everything to restore pure worship, something that certainly can not be said of the current Jewish people.
And there would be so many other things to be said that would severely outweigh the biblical prophecy indicated.
In light of world events, some have revised this interpretation but for many that remains a biblical prophecy fulfilled.
So two distinct groups were created: those that no longer give any importance to Jerusalem and those who say that God's people are in present-day in Jerusalem.
Through the study of the Word of God and His undeserved kindness we have understood that both positions are wrong.
Both positions will prevent any deep understanding of the Word.
What happened in 1948 is indeed a biblical prophecy only that it is not what most religions have imagined - Daniel 4: 20-25 Jerusalem, and Israel as a consequence, still has a great importance in the Word of God (it has never ceased to have it) only that the present one today is not the one that would have brought blessings to humanity but a mystification, a deception.
A deception in which we all fell.
All who are convinced that Jerusalem no longer has any importance in biblical prophecy are invited to reflect on scriptures such as Nehemiah 1: 9, Isaiah 34:17; 60:15, Joel 3:20 or Luke 21:24 Obviously it will become difficult to understand such direct and clear scriptures if every time we read "Jerusalem" we use that filter known as "symbolic meaning" or "spiritual sense".
So also the return of the people of God to their homeland is to be understood in a literal sense, and Russell was right in this, only that this did not happen in 1948.
In its place appeared a sordid prostitute who, far from being the legitimate bride as she herself asserts, has seduced the peoples with her influence and has initiated a series of events that have caused (and will cause) death , pain and despair - compare Revelation 18:24 From the comparison of the biblical books of Daniel and Revelation we understand that a world war is coming, that is, that which will end the king of the south. This is a prophecy to come and not something that concerned 1914 or so.
We understand that "behind the scenes" of this war, there will be this prostitute. Although Jehovah allow this war, as it happened in the past, even to discipline His people, He will not leave unpunished this prostitute.
We know that it will be definitively destroyed at Har-maghedon (not at the beginning of the great tribulation) and therefore "we will have to keep it" until the end of the satanic system. Its complete destruction is near but not so close. From now until the last moment any sincere person who truly wants to know God Almighty and do His will has the opportunity to take the necessary steps. Every single inhabitant of Israel may decide to ask Jehovah for forgiveness and save himself from the destruction that will inevitably fall upon the nation.
The biblical prophecy makes us understand that before its definitive destruction, the king of the north will turn his attention to it - Daniel 11:30 This "attention" does not seem to have anything positive because the same writing speaks of "complaints". In harmony with this we have seen, comparing with Revelation, that the fifth trumpet that torments "those men who do not have the seal of God on the forehead" is most likely aimed precisely at the old people of God.
Since the fifth trumpet is concomitant with the first trouble it is possible to hypothesize that this torment will be particularly painful.
It is certainly not a coincidence that shortly thereafter (exactly five months later) this situation leads to a much wider and bloody war - Revelation 9: 13-20 ". As said, it is because of this prostitute that the great war will break out.
Even the study of Jeremiah, a book we are investigating in recent days, has reinforced this vision.
We do not have a precise date but from these Scriptural reflections we understand that an attack on Israel is coming and so we are right to pay due attention.
Let us prepare ourselves mentally because the Word of God can not fail.
Although this will not yet affect its ultimate destruction, it seems clear that such an attack will be there.
It does not matter if many laugh or take this interpretation lightly; we have a chance to ascertain these things - 1 Thessalonians 5:21     * If someone has shared, even in part, this information, he is invited to warn people of what is going to happen.
Above all those who have acquaintances or friends in that nation are invited to act according to their conscience.
** Since Revelation speaks of "torment" and not of death it is possible that this attack concerns a series of burning complaints (compare Daniel 11:30) from the king of the north and not a military attack. Most of the political intrasaces of this nation, which include lies, murders and abuses perpetrated against other peoples, could come to light.
This would cause an atrocious pain to all those who, until the last moment, wanted to maintain an aura of holiness and justice and pass for victims of the world.  ***Spiritual drunks who have the privilege of carrying the name of Jehovah are invited to observe the next world events.      

Y el ángel que hablaba conmigo procedió a regresar y despertarme, como a hombre a quien se despierta de su sueño.+ 2 Entonces me dijo: “¿Qué ves?”.+
Así que dije: “He visto, y, ¡mira!, hay un candelabro, todo de oro,+ con un tazón encima. Y sus siete lámparas están encima, aun siete;+ y las lámparas que están encima de él tienen siete tubos. 3 Y hay dos olivos junto a él,+ uno al lado derecho del tazón y uno a su lado izquierdo”. - Zacarìas 4:1-3   ¿Reconoceremos los "dos olivos" cuando comienzan a predicar? Era inevitable que el estudio de Zaccaria nos condujera al punto focal de Apocalipsis.
Apocalipsis 11: 3, 4 dice: "Y profetizaré a mis dos testigos por mil doscientos sesenta días en saco". Estos son [simbolizados por] los dos olivos y [de] los dos candelabros y están delante del Señor de la tierra ". Nosotros, a diferencia de Zacarías, tenemos toda la Biblia, por lo que es muy fácil para nosotros conectar las Escrituras. Zacarías no tenía ante sus ojos el rollo de Apocalipsis dado a Juan, por lo que era normal que pidiera aclaraciones - ver Zacarías 4: 4, 11. El ángel dice: "Estos son los dos ungidos que están al lado del Señor de toda la tierra" - Zacarías 4:14
Sin embargo, antes de preguntar específicamente sobre los dos olivos, Zacarías pregunta qué significan "estas cosas" - ver Zacarías 4: 4
¿A qué se refería Zacarias?
¿Qué hay en la visión además de los dos olivos? Bien, vamos a leer ... "Vi, y he aquí, hay un candelabro, todo de oro, con una taza encima. Y sus siete lámparas están en él, solo siete; y las lámparas que están encima tienen siete tubos ".
Preguntando el significado de "estas cosas", ¿Zacarías se estaba refiriendo al candelabro?
Sí, porque lo entendemos por la respuesta del ángel. De consiguiente, respondió y me dijo: “Esta es la palabra de Jehová a Zorobabel, y dice: ‘“No por una fuerza militar,*+ ni por poder,*+ sino por mi espíritu”,*+ ha dicho Jehová de los ejércitos. 7 ¿Quién eres tú, oh gran montaña?+ Delante de Zorobabel+ [llegarás a ser] una tierra llana. Y él ciertamente sacará la piedra de remate.+ Habrá gritos+ a ella: “¡Qué encantadora! ¡Qué encantadora!”’” - Zacarìas 4:6, 7 Si los dos olivos representan "los dos ungidos que están junto al Señor de toda la tierra", el candelero, o el que está junto a él, representa al Señor y, en particular, el mensaje del Señor (Apocalipsis también menciona dos candelabros que indican que son sostenidos por el Espíritu de Dios) sostenidos por su espíritu, que se les instruye que traigan. Que esto es correcto también se entiende por las siete lámparas (versículo 2) y por la explicación del ángel que dice: "Estos siete son los ojos de Jehová: corren por toda la tierra" (versículo 10).
Y esto nos lleva nuevamente e invariablemente al último libro de la Biblia.
En Apocalipsis 3: 1 Jesús, hablando de sí mismo, dice que tiene "los siete espíritus de Dios". Previamente, al dirigirse a la congregación de Tiatira, Jesús dijo que tenía "ojos como llama de fuego y pies como cobre hasta el borde" (Apocalipsis 2:18) y luego sugiere que ve todo, en lo profundo y en todas partes - véase también Apocalipsis 1:14 Entre otras cosas, se dice que el Cordero tiene siete ojos y que estos "significan los siete espíritus de Dios que han sido enviados a toda la tierra" - Apocalipsis 5: 6
Hablando de la conducta y también de la obra de predicación, Jesús dijo, volviéndose a sus discípulos, "Tú eres la luz del mundo". Una ciudad no se puede ocultar cuando se encuentra en una montaña. Una lámpara no está encendida para colocarla debajo de un bushel, sino en un candelabro, y brilla sobre todos en la casa. Deja que tu luz brille ante los hombres, para que puedan ver tus excelentes obras y glorifiquen a tu Padre que está en el cielo "- compare Apocalipsis 11:13. ¿Qué entendemos, por lo tanto, comparando estas escrituras?
Los dos testigos vestidos con sacos tienen una tarea importante: llevar el mensaje del Señor.
Harán esto no con su fuerza, sino con el espíritu de Dios - comparar Apocalipsis 10:11
¿Cuál será el mensaje de estos dos "olivos"?
¿Serán las "buenas noticias del Reino"? En el artículo dedicado al capítulo 11 de Apocalipsis vimos que esto no habría sido consecuente con su vestimenta: compare Génesis 37:34; 2 Samuel 3:31
¿Qué nos dice Zacarias? Zacarías 4: 7 responde: ¿Quién eres tú, oh gran montaña?+ Delante de Zorobabel+ [llegarás a ser] una tierra llana. Y él ciertamente sacará la piedra de remate.+ Habrá gritos+ a ella: “¡Qué encantadora! ¡Qué encantadora!”’ La gran montaña es obviamente la "montaña ruinosa" de la cual habla Jeremías 51:25; la escritura dice que "arruina toda la tierra" - compare Apocalipsis 18: 3 Estas escrituras se han aplicado oficialmente al cristianismo, pero Zacarías no hace nada más que reconfirmar lo que ya hemos visto - ver el artículo "Un nombre: un misterio, Babilonia la grande" Hasta ahora se ha hablado de Jerusalén (Israel y por lo tanto en su extensión natural) y expresiones tales como "línea de medición", "ciudad habitada de nuevo" y otros nos llevará a la ciudad / País literal. Zaccaria agrega elementos fundamentales para concluir que la montaña ruinosa, es decir, lo que se convertirá en "llanura", no puede ser otra que el actual Israel apóstata.
Entonces se vuelve consistente que los dos testigos predican en "ropas de saco" porque el mensaje es de condenación severa.
Cuando Jesús vino a la tierra, predicó un mensaje que en verdad era una esperanza, pero también un ultimátum para esa nación - compare Mateo 4:17; 21: 36-44 Los escribas y los fariseos, y en general toda la nación, no aprovecharon la oportunidad para arrepentirse y, por lo tanto, para ser salvos.
Hemos visto que la predicación de los dos testigos tiene mucho en común con el trabajo y la vida de Cristo.
Predican un mensaje de juicio y están autorizados por Dios mismo.
Ellos demuestran tener el espíritu de Dios. Varias veces intentan matarlos pero sin éxito - compárese con Juan 7:30; 08:20
Predican por exactamente tres años y medio y al final son asesinados no directamente por su gente, sino por la "bestia salvaje" o "cosa repugnante" - comparar Lucas 21:20
Se levantan nuevamente después de tres días y medio, y desde entonces la predicación se extiende por toda la tierra habitada - ver Apocalipsis 12:17; 14: 6, 13 ¿Las similitudes te parecen aleatorias?
Los juicios que estos dos testigos traen a ese país "donde incluso su Señor fue puesto en la hoguera" son similares a los juicios que trajeron a Moisés y a Elías, y por lo tanto lo que encontramos escrito en Mateo 17: 1-3 es significativo.
No es difícil deducir, por lo tanto, que tan pronto como estos dos testigos hagan su aparición, predicarán un mensaje de condenación anunciando la destrucción por el mismo Dios quien ellos dicen de adorar - Juan 8: 42-47; Lucas 21:22 "Y él ciertamente sacará la piedra de remate.+ Habrá gritos+ a ella: “¡Qué encantadora! ¡Qué encantadora!”’(4:7) La piedra de la cabeza, o angular, será quitada y otras personas gritarán "¡Qué encantadora!" es decir que otras personas (la verdadera gente de Dios actualmente dispersa en el mundo) disfrutarán de esas bendiciones que ellos se dejarán escapar para siempre.  Todos aquellos que no aprovechan la oportunidad para escuchar el mensaje de los dos testigos y hacer urgentemente los cambios necesarios se harán añicos en esta piedra - Mateo 21:44 Esto ciertamente incluirá a aquellos que con el tiempo han sido llamados "Testigos de Jehová" pero que no tomarán en consideración a estas personas y su mensaje después de la supresión del sacrificio continuo.
Probemos, por lo tanto, estar despiertos para no despreciar "el día de las cosas pequeñas" porque tendrán el Espíritu y la aprobación de Dios. El estudio de Zacaria también es fundamental porque no se excluye que cuando comienza su predicación, alguien a quien valoramos y en quien confiamos pueda decirnos de no escucharlos - Mateo 12:24; Juan 7:52; 11:45, 46
El siguiente verso asegura que Zorobabel completará la construcción del templo, pero también se lo llama el Brote (ver Zacarías 6:12) y sabemos que en cumplimiento moderno es Cristo Jesús.
Entonces levanté los ojos de nuevo y vi; y, ¡mire!, un rollo que volaba. Así que me dijo: “¿Qué ves?”. A mi vez dije: “Veo un rollo que vuela, y tiene una longitud de veinte codos, y tiene una anchura de diez codos”. Entonces me dijo: “Esta es la maldición que sale sobre la superficie de toda la tierra, porque todo el que hurta, según lo de este lado, ha quedado libre de castigo; y todo el que hace un firme juramento, según lo de aquel lado, ha quedado libre de castigo - Zacarias 5:1-3   El CEI traduce Zacarías 5: 3 de la siguiente manera: "Añadió:" Esta es la maldición que se extiende por toda la tierra: cada ladrón será echado de aquí como ese rollo, cada perjurio será expulsado de aquí como ese rollo " que no se debe a lo que está escrito en el rollo para constituir el juicio (entre otras cosas, solo se habla de ser expulsado), sino que esto sucede de manera similar al rollo. Esta traducción, aunque aparentemente parezca lógica, no tiene en cuenta el contexto y cambia por completo el sentido de la visión.
La escritura, de hecho, habla de "todos los que roban" y "todos los que hacen un juramento" y, por lo tanto, la pregunta natural que deberíamos hacernos es ... "¿Dónde se reglamentó el robo y el falso juramento?"
La respuesta es: en los Diez Mandamientos y en la Ley Mosaica, compárese con Éxodo 20:15, 16; Levítico 19:11; Jeremías 7: 9, 10 Entonces, la visión señala que el rollo es una maldición debido a lo que está escrito en ambos lados.
Probablemente la traducción más correcta es la de la Nueva Versión revisada que hace el verso de la siguiente manera: "Esta es la maldición que se extiende por todo el país; porque todo ladrón, según él, será erradicado de este lugar, y todo perjurio, según él, será erradicado de este lugar " Entonces el mensaje es tan simple como directo: las personas que roban y juran falsamente serán juzgadas por las reglas claras escritas en ese rollo.
¿Deberíamos entonces imaginar que los testigos vestidos con sacos traerán una nueva inspiración inspirada por ellos, una especie de lista de reglas adicionales a las que ya conocemos?
Absolutamente no. El rollo se hace eco claramente de la ley mosaica y aunque para nosotros era sólo una sombra de lo que vendrá, no será para quienes nunca han entendido su significado y propósito - Colosenses 2:17, 18
Este es el mensaje que se convertirá en una maldición para todo el país porque ninguno de los habitantes de la Babilonia moderna podrá respetar los preceptos de la Ley - Romanos 7: 7-9 Por lo que se entiende, ya que rechazaron a Cristo y no abrazaron la bondad inmerecida de Dios para el perdón de los pecados, Jehová aplicará la Ley a aquellos que dicen que la respetan - Mateo 12:37
De esta manera, nadie puede decir que Dios ha sido injusto o demasiado severo porque los preceptos escritos en la Ley, algo que muchos de ellos saben de memoria, son claros. Al no haber aceptado la "piedra" que podría haber abierto su camino a la bondad inmerecida de Dios, todo lo que queda es aplicar la Ley y ver cuántos de ellos han seguido su "norma".
Evidentemente, esto es precisamente lo que el Señor quiso decir en Mateo 21:44 "Y el que caiga sobre esta piedra será destrozado. En cuanto a quien caiga, lo pulverizará ".
Esto agrega una razón obvia al enojo de los oyentes.
Se avergüenzan de acuerdo con las normas que dicen respetar y esto también nos recuerda la manera de predicar de Jesús - compare Mateo 15: 3-6; Gálatas 4:21 ‘He hecho que salga —es la expresión de Jehová de los ejércitos—, y tiene que entrar en la casa del ladrón y en la casa del que presta firme juramento falsamente en mi nombre;+ y tiene que alojarse en medio de su casa y exterminarlos a ella y sus maderos y sus piedras’” - Zacarias 5:4 El mensaje atormentará a los oyentes día y noche y no podrán deshacerse de esto porque cada vez que leen de la Ley las palabras de estos dos molestos testigos volverán a recordar.
El tormento llegará al punto de devorar la madera y las piedras, asíqué se comprende la felicidad que sentirán cuando lograràn a deshacerse de ellos, matándolos - Apocalipsis 11:10
Obviamente llegará el momento en que las casas serán literalmente devoradas junto con todos aquellos que no han escuchado el mensaje de Dios - Apocalipsis 18: 4-8  Entonces el ángel que hablaba conmigo salió y me dijo: “Levanta los ojos, por favor, y ve qué es esto que sale”. 6 De modo que dije: “¿Qué es?”. A su vez, él dijo: “Esto es la medida de efá* que sale”. Y pasó a decir: “Este es el aspecto* de ellos en toda la tierra”.* 7 Y, ¡mire!, la tapa circular de plomo fue alzada; y esto es cierta mujer sentada en medio del efá. 8 Así que él dijo: “Esta es la Iniquidad”. Y procedió a arrojarla [de vuelta] en medio del efá,+ después de lo cual arrojó la pesa de plomo sobre la boca de este - Zacarias 5:5-8 Esta espectacular visión nos ofrece otros detalles interesantes.
Mientras tanto, debemos entender que "la efa que sale" es evidentemente el contenedor que se usó para la efa.
De hecho, la efa es una unidad de medida para áridos (22 litros) mientras que la escritura habla de la portada principal y una mujer que se sienta "en el medio de la efa". Podemos deducir, por lo tanto, que en el tiempo de Zacarías se usó un contenedor de capacidad específica para la medición de una efa o múltiplos de una efa.
El contenedor probablemente también se llamó efa.
Por lo tanto, Zacarías ve que este contenedor sale del país, pero en cierto punto la cubierta de plomo circular se elevó ...
¿Qué ves, entonces, Zaccaria? "Una cierta mujer" que el ángel identifica como "la Maldad".
¿Recuerdas a alguien?
Por supuesto!
Una mujer muy malvada que muchos años después Juan describe como "vestida de púrpura y escarlata  ... adornada con oro, piedras preciosas y perlas y sosteniendo una copa de oro llena de cosas repugnantes y las cosas inmundas de su fornicación" - Apocalipsis 17: 4 Después de mostrárselo a Zacarías, el ángel lo cierra dentro del recipiente.
¿Dónde se traerá esta mujer malvada? ¿Quién es la mujer llamada Maldad que arruina toda la tierra y que es originaria del país de Sinar?
Entonces levanté los ojos y vi, y, pues aquí venían saliendo dos mujeres, y había viento* en sus alas. Y tenían alas como las alas de la cigüeña. Y gradualmente levantaron el efá entre la tierra y los cielos. 10 De modo que dije al ángel que hablaba conmigo: “¿Adónde llevan el efá?”. 11 A su vez, él me dijo: “Para construirle+ una casa en la tierra de Sinar;*+ y tiene que ser establecida firmemente, y tiene que ser depositada allí sobre su debido lugar” - Zacarìas 5:9-11   Parece claro que en este punto de la visión la mujer ya ha sido eliminada por la maldición del rollo y probablemente no es casual que ella estea dentro de una medida para árido, lo que evidentemente indica que se convertirá en una pila de ruinas - compárese con Apocalipsis 18: 8.
Sin embargo, la pregunta espontánea es ... "¿Por qué se construye por ella un lugar en el pueblo de Sinar?"
Sabemos que Babilonia la Grande será destruida para siempre, por lo que esta escritura no puede significar que será reconstruida - compárese con Apocalipsis 18:21 La única razón por la que se debe construir una casa para ella solo puede ser una: ser recordada para siempre - comparar Apocalipsis 19: 3
Es realmente increíble, pero también el lugar de donde va la efa es útil para identificar a esta mujer. La escritura dice que será depositada "en su propio lugar" (es decir, regresa a su lugar de origen, donde debe estar) o "en el país de Sinar". Mirando el asterisco informado sobre Sinar, vemos ... "Sinar", M; lat. Sinar; LXX, "Babilonia"; TSy, "Babel". Las mujeres con alas de cigüeña representan la medida de Jehová de manera que después de la destrucción de Babilonia la Grande, se hará una advertencia, algo para recordar. Obviamente, esta mujer, aunque reducida a polvo, debe ser quitada porque no puede permanecer en la tierra elegida por Dios, o el lugar donde ha elegido hacer que su Nombre permanezca (cf. 2 Crónicas 6: 6). No sería apropiado que este monumento (pedestal, casa o lo que sea) se encuentre en la tierra prometida de Dios.
Volverá a su lugar de origen, o Babilonia, y este "monumento" será un recuerdo eterno para que nunca más vuelvas a existir. ¿Qué podemos decir al final de este artículo?
Hemos visto en el artículo anterior que la guerra que se avecina servirá como una disciplina para el pueblo de Dios, especialmente para aquellos que tomen la directiva - comparar Santiago 3: 1. Al final de esta guerra, cuando ahora la predicación parece completamente reprimida, los dos testigos vestidos con sacos harán su aparición.
Este es un evento crucial porque indicará la restauración de la adoración verdadera.
La predicación de estas dos personas constituirá un juicio severo para la nación en la que predicarán, pero también para todos aquellos que se niegan a escuchar (la oportunidad de escucharlos, de hecho, está dirigida a todos nosotros ... lo cual cosa no es segura). Como hemos visto, el mensaje de juicio de que darán gracias al espíritu de Dios devorará las casas con su madera y sus piedras, inicialmente como un tormento mental y emocional.
Sus palabras se harán realidad cuando, siete años después del comienzo de su predicación, Israel serà efectivamente destruido por la bestia salvaje que actuará por la voluntad de Dios. ¿No es extraordinario ver cómo Zaccaria completa el marco de Apocalipsis agregando detalles interesantes y verdaderamente significativos?
Que cada uno de nosotros estea verdaderamente alerta al reconocer a aquellos que, al final del período de disciplina, serán comisionados por Dios para restaurar la adoración verdadera - Daniel 11:34 Comenzamos a aprender de ahora a determinar la voluntad de Dios para nosotros.  

I did not follow the conversation from the beginning so I'm not sure of the purpose of this discussion.
From personal experience I know that this date is often mentioned to corroborate or invalidate an alleged calculation of the "seven times" of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. If this is the final purpose of this discussion, then I believe that there are much more important questions.
If the purpose of this discussion is a "historical curiosity", then it is interesting.
If I were a historian, then it would be very important to understand how and where to place the events; study the evidence in favor and the contrary evidence.
As for our beliefs, however, I believe that a Christian should ask himself a more profound and important question.
The Bible book of Daniel, when it spoke of the seven times, refers to the establishment of God's Kingdom?
The question is very simple: what is the use of making a thousand discussions on a historical date if the object of the question is another?
If Daniel chapter 4 is not talking about the establishment of the Kingdom of God but of something else, is it really important to find out an exact date for a wrong event?
Twenty years more or less really do a difference if the interpretation of final event is wrong?
Good reflections to everyone
 

I did not follow the conversation from the beginning so I'm not sure of the purpose of this discussion.
From personal experience I know that this date is often mentioned to corroborate or invalidate an alleged calculation of the "seven times" of Nebuchadnezzar's dream. If this is the final purpose of this discussion, then I believe that there are much more important questions.
If the purpose of this discussion is a "historical curiosity", then it is interesting.
If I were a historian, then it would be very important to understand how and where to place the events; study the evidence in favor and the contrary evidence.
As for our beliefs, however, I believe that a Christian should ask himself a more profound and important question.
The Bible book of Daniel, when it spoke of the seven times, refers to the establishment of God's Kingdom?
The question is very simple: what is the use of making a thousand discussions on a historical date if the object of the question is another?
If Daniel chapter 4 is not talking about the establishment of the Kingdom of God but of something else, is it really important to find out an exact date for a wrong event?
Twenty years more or less really do a difference if the interpretation of final event is wrong?
Good reflections to everyone
 

The chronology, interpretation, speculation   CAUTION The following discussion make reference to one of the "cornerstones" of the understanding of the "faithful and discreet slave". Since the author is not going to create a stumbling block for anyone, let alone create divisions, the reader is invited to consider carefully whether you want to read on. Continue or not to continue, therefore, it will only be a personal decision. An even better thing that we could do all: open the Bible and compare all the scriptures quoted or cited and evaluate, in conscience, whether its topics are logical and consistent with the Word of God         All you have read about the prophecy of the "seventy weeks" reported in the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy!" (Chapter 11) is worthy of attention and shows how the word of God is accurate and reliable even when ruling prophecies very distant in time. And 'historical accuracy was also evident and numerous scriptural references that gave weight and credibility to the whole matter. Anyone who approaches the Word of God without preconceptions can not help but be impressed by this demonstration of the power and wisdom from God. The explanation of the 70 weeks is beyond reproach, but can the same be said of other prophecies? What about those calculations on which many of us have based their hopes of a lifetime and who clashed with criticism of the majority? We are talking of 1914. This is also a prophecy of Daniel? This too was treated with the same wonderful accuracy of the seventy weeks we just read? Although it may not be easy, we try to be very objective because they understand or not understand the prophecy, like the rest of God's Word, can make a big difference for our eternal future - John 17: 3; 2 Thessalonians 1: 8   SAY THAT OF 1914?   The book "pay attention to the prophecies of Daniel" on pages 85 to 97 (italian edition) explains in detail the dream of Nebuchadnezzar and the prophecy of the seven times asserting it indicates the coming of God's Kingdom in 1914.
It would be profitable, therefore, take the book and compare with what you will read below.
The dream of Nebuchadnezzar actually prophesies the coming of God's Kingdom in 1914?   THAT'S IT'? Let's examine what is written in the book without bias. At first glance it seems that Jehovah God has wanted to give a lesson in humility to Nebuchadnezzar, which he did. The "seven times", at least for him, was seven years and this is confirmed by the whole story. Reading all this without bias, it does not seem that we have to look for other explanations more or less hidden. But let's take this argument that "the tree indicates a domain and a much more sovereign than the king of Babylon. It symbolizes the universal sovereignty of Jehovah, the King of heaven, especially with respect to the earth. " This means, first, that the Kingdom of God you are comparing, in a way, to the kingdom of Babylon and this contrasts with many biblical passages that describe Babylon as the greatest enemy of God's people. It also means that the "vigilante" (that is, an angel of the Lord) decides to overthrow the Kingdom of God and this is, to say the least, strange. Some will object that we should not look for similarities in every aspect of the prophecy but also to decide which part of the prophecy must have a second commitment and which not could be quite arbitrary. Basically we have no other scriptures that indicate there on what particular focus and which leave out. So you're saying that the tree prophecy applies entirely to Nebuchadnezzar, while only a small part would apply to the Kingdom of God. For the prophecy of the "seventy weeks," we did not need to break up the prophecy to try to understand who is applied or if they apply to more than one person because the subject was clear and very beginning. The whole prophecy of 7 times, however, is built on a single verse that is what it says ... " The tree grew and became strong, and its height it finally reached the heavens and was visible to the extremity of ' whole earth " (Daniel 4:11) The mentioned book says: "the big tree is the 'domain that reaches the ends of the earth', which embraces the whole kingdom of mankind. Therefore symbolizes Jehovah's universal sovereignty, particularly in relation to the earth. - Daniel 4:17. " There is a bit fragile, say risky, build a series of prophecies (all linked together) of this single explanation? Note that the specification "particularly in relation to the earth" is due to the fact that Jehovah's universal sovereignty is, in fact, universal, so the tree would have seen not only in all the earth but in the whole universe. By specifying, however, "in relation to the earth," we can rule the skies by the vision and take in the good application. However, we should ask ourselves a question. The fact that the tree reaches the heavens or the ends of the earth is a demonstration or even an indication that we are talking about God's Kingdom? We always leave it to the Bible to enlighten us. We notice what Jehovah said to Ezekiel in reference to Pharaoh. Ezekiel 31: 1-8 says ... "It occurred even in the eleventh year, in the third [month], the first [day] of the month, the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying:" Son of man, of 'Pharaoh king of Egypt and his crowd: " ' To look like in your greatness? Here, an Assyrian, a cedar of Lebanon, with beautiful branches, with thick shady ramifications, and a high height, so that its top was among the clouds. The waters made it grow; for the deep made him become high. With their current they went all around his plants; and sent their channels to all the trees of the field. So there was higher in height than all the [other] trees of the field. " ' And its boughs were multiplied, and its branches continued getting longer because of much water in its watercourses. Sui its branches made their nests all the flying creatures of the heavens, and under its twigs bore all the wild beasts of the field, and in its shadow dwelt all populous nations. It became beautiful in its greatness, in the length of its foliage, for its root system was on many waters. [Other] cedars not equalize in the garden of God. As for juniper trees, they had no resemblance to its branches. And the plane trees were not the same like the twigs. No [other] tree of God like him in beauty garden. " We note some similarities with the vision of Nebuchadnezzar? Both are compared to high and mighty trees. Both reach heights up to heaven in fact the expressions "reach the heavens" or "reach the clouds" are equivalent - Compare Job 22:14; Isaiah 14:14; Daniel 7:13 Of both of you notice the big difference with other trees. In both it is said that all the flying creatures and all the wild animals find food and shelter. Now, if we apply the principle that the tree that "reaches the clouds" must represent the Kingdom of God, then even the Egyptian empire should be an antitype of the Kingdom. Unfortunately, this story does not make any mention of "time" and therefore can not count anything. If you think it's ridiculous to think that the Egyptian empire will represent the Kingdom of God, why should it be acceptable to the Babylonian empire?   Jehovah goes on to say "For the reason that you became high height, so that it put its top even among the clouds, and his heart is exalted because of its height, I will give it into the hand of a despot of the nations" - Ezekiel 31:10, 11 The Pharaoh exalted, just as He did Nebuchadnezzar, and for this reason God decided to humiliate him - Matthew 23:12 Nebuchadnezzar escaped with seven years of madness while the Pharaoh's empire was besieged. This verse also emphasizes the fact that God takes away and "the kingdom to those who want" (and in this case he gave the kingdom to Pharaoh "despot of the nations"). Ezekiel 31: 12-14 continues ... "And strangers, the tyrants of the nations, cut it, and the people will abandon the mountains; and its foliage will certainly fall in every valley, and his branches will break between all the beds of the rivers of the earth. And all the peoples of the earth will come down from its shade and abandon. On its fallen trunk reside all the flying creatures of heaven, and its branches will certainly be all the wild beasts of the field; so that none of the watered trees may become high in height, or put her top even among the clouds, and because no drinking water is standing against them in his height, certainly as will all the data to death, to the earth below, in among the children of mankind, those who go down into the pit. ' " Although this tree is cut down and humiliated (Jehovah will do this through the king of Babylon). Because of the many similarities to the kingdom of Egypt, are we really sure that the tree "reached the heavens" refers to God's Kingdom?
  When we have to discuss  the 1914, we really like the Bereans? Or are we "Berean" only when we must refute the doctrines of Christianity?   There is another interesting detail which should give us pause. The Bible compares heaven to governments, be they human or celestial. Applying this concept to the tree that reaches the heavens and where other trees can not compete with it, would simply mean that this tree has a kingdom over other kingdoms (smaller) and Babylon the Great is said, in fact, who " a kingdom over the kings of the earth "- Revelation 17:18 The only legitimate parallel that you can do with Babylon, without fear of taking corners, is related to Babylon the Great because it is the parallelism that makes the Bible. In fact all the world empires mentioned in the Scriptures have had, for a time, a kingdom over other kingdoms. Cyrus claimed that he himself ... " I am Cyrus, king of the world, great king, legitimate king, king of Babylon, king of Sumer and Akkad, king of the four end (of the earth), son of Cambyses ( Ka-am -bu-zi-ia ), great king, king of Anshan, grandson of Cyrus . . . descendant of Teispe,. . . of a family (which) has always reigned. " ( Ancient Near Eastern Texts, edited by J. Pritchard, 1974, p. 316) Surely humility was not a feature appreciated by the Persians as even by the Babylonians but in fact the kingdom had power over other known kingdoms ( much to be called " king of the four ends of the earth") and then you could well say that its height he had reached the heavens and was visible or known to the ends of the earth. In the story of Ezekiel and that of Daniel there is no reference, no one, to the Kingdom of God but ... both reports mention a judgment from God on enemy nations, proud and violent. Any chronological calculation should respect the subject and in fact this part of Scripture is quite different from what is said about the "seventy weeks" - Daniel 9: 24-27 In the account of Daniel chapter 9 clearly speaks of the Messiah (see Daniel 9:25) and do not need to read what is not written. Anyone wishing to be controversial might discuss the starting date from which to count the "weeks" or even the alleged method * (one day for a year) but it certainly can not discuss the subject in existence (the Messiah). It could, ironically, even argue about who really was the Messiah (something which still discussing the Jews) but of course you can not argue that Daniel chapter 9 speaks of the Messiah! Instead Daniel chapter 4 speaks of Nebuchadnezzar and his kingdom, while all "the intention" for the Kingdom of God is built on four lines in the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy!" Read: "But the big tree is the domain that reaches the ends of the earth, which embraces the whole kingdom of mankind. Therefore symbolizes Jehovah's universal sovereignty, particularly in relation to the earth. - Daniel 4:17 "(Chapter 6, page 87 of the book Italian edition). It does not seem very strong statement with a very weak base? We try not to say to Daniel 4:17 that does not really say because you just know the basic rules of grammar not to distract from the subject. The subject is Nebuchadnezzar and God makes him understand that, due to the fact that he is exalted, would have removed the kingdom and would give it to whomever He had wanted (just as He did with Pharaoh). In practice, one who really governs is the Creator and the other kingdoms exist only because He allows it - Compare Romans 13: 1 So there is no reason to believe that the tree (that is, one of the many governments that Jehovah has allowed in the history of mankind), represents the Kingdom of God really is. If someone wants to suggest that the fact that God mentions His domain is indicative that the tree itself depicts your domain (and it's amazing stunt semantics) then we can take the story reported in 2 Kings 19: 14-19 and do the same reasoning. " Hezekiah then the letters from the hand of the messengers and read them, after which Hezekiah went up to the house of Jehovah and spread out before Jehovah. 15 And Hezekiah prayed before Jehovah and said: "O Jehovah, God of Israel, enthroned upon the cherubim, you alone are the [true] God of all the kingdoms of the earth . You yourself have made the heavens and the earth. 16 Incline your ear, O Jehovah, and hear. Open your eyes, O Jehovah, and see, and hear the words of Sennacherib which he has sent to blame the living God. 17 It is a fact, O Jehovah, the kings of Assyria have laid waste the nations and their country. 18 And they delivered their gods to the fire, because they were not gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone; so that they destroyed them. 19?And now, O Jehovah our God, save us, please, from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth know that you alone, O LORD, are God . " Hezekiah knows very well that Jehovah was "the true God of all the kingdoms of the earth" and prayed that Sennacherib were stopped in his attempt to destroy Jerusalem. We know very well what was the response of Isaiah that last part says ... "Why is your turn you against me and your roaring have come up to my ears. I certainly put my hook nose and my bridle between your lips, And actually I take you back to the way by which you came "- 2 Kings 19:28 If we did the same reasoning alleged to chapter 4 of Daniel, then we could assume that the "Sennacherib" kingdom was a antitype of God's kingdom because he also had to learn (at his expense) that Jehovah is "the true God of all the kingdoms of the earth "or, in other words" rules over all mankind. " Alas, in this story there are no numbers, days, weeks or months to be calculated and therefore no reason to read "coming of the kingdom of God" even where it makes no mention. It 'possible that the strong desire to see fulfilled the prophecies influenced the intentions and then had driven to read what was really written? This means that, if we really want to see a second commitment to the story reported in Daniel chapter 4, you should respect the subject into being , namely Babylon . It is likely that the story of Daniel is simply telling the humiliation of Nebuchadnezzar and that the "seven times" mean only seven years, but we can not be categorical. In this regard it is worth reflecting on the fact that even the humiliation of Pharaoh, reported in Ezekiel, could have a second commitment as Jehovah says it "will shake the nations" and this could be a reference to the war of Armageddon. So, without staring too much of a specified date , if the story of Daniel had wanted to show us a second fulfillment of the prophecy, the report is actually saying, "Babylon will fall, it will remain inactive for seven days and then rise again." This can only bring our minds to the last mention that the Bible makes of Babylon - Revelation 17: 5 The clues regarding Babylon the Great took us to the nation of Israel so the question you should ask is ... "Since that year we should start counting 2520 years (ie 360 * 7) until you see the revival (if any) of Babylon? " From the story of Daniel the possible dates from which to count the seven periods of time are two: 1) Since Nebuchadnezzar had the vision or has fallen into "disgrace" (in fact, Daniel says "the tree is you" - Daniel 4: 20-22) 2) From the death of Nebuchadnezzar (if Nebuchadnezzar represents the kingdom of Babylon, his death is the moment in which the tree is "knocked down" but it is noteworthy that there is no reference to this in Daniel's narrative which, indeed, he says that the kingdom would have been assured - Daniel 4:26)   As for the first hypothesis it is impossible to have an accurate date because neither the Bible nor secular history tell us in what year Nebuchadnezzar was driven from his kingdom. This happened, of course, after 597 BCE (the year in which Nebuchadnezzar brings the first Jews prisoners in Babylon in accordance with the secular dating; there is a 20-year difference with that of the slave that, in fact, puts the BCE 617) and within the 570 BCE (when Nebuchadnezzar died in 562 BCE - according to the secular date - and the period of "captivity" lasts seven years, and the kingdom he is returned are deemed to have reigned for at least a year, the 570 is the last year helpful). However, in the first four chapters of Daniel are mentioned Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, first as children (Daniel 1: 3, 4) and then as strong men (Daniel 3:12, 27) and all this before Nebuchadnezzar to buckle the famous dream tree . This means that, by their deportation until the day in which the king erected the golden image, they passed at least 15 , 20 years. So if the Jews have come to Babylon in 597 BCE, but spend 20 twenty years before the construction of the idol of gold and having good outlet to the secular date (562 BCE), you can restrict the period from 577 BCE to 570 BCE Obviously they are only estimates but the important date is the maximum time limit (570 BCE) so if from deportation until the construction of the image had been 15 years instead of 20, the start date would be 582 BCE, but the last date useful as possible would always be 570 BCE Any revival of Babylon, if this is talking about Daniel, which is far from certain, would take place between 1943 EV (2520-577) and 1950 EV (2520-570). To reinforce this hypothesis there would also be the fact that the story of his expulsion is the last tale told Nebuchadnezzar. A few verses later, in fact, we no longer speak of him but of Belshazzar (Daniel ch. 5). It's reasonable to conclude, therefore, that Nebuchadnezzar had a vision in recent years, perhaps during the last decade of his reign.   The second hypothesis concerns Nebuchadnezzar's death and which occurs, according to the secular sources, in 562 BCE According to the slave is the case in 582 BCE (see the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy" chapter 7, page 99). Counting 2,520 years you get to 1958 EV in the first case and 1938 EV in the second case.   What about the recent history? If, as we have seen, Babylon the Great is the nation of Israel, this would indeed support the first hypothesis. The first hypothesis places the revival of Babylon between 1943 and 1950. The "resurrection" of Israel takes place, in fact, in May 1948. Knowing the fixation of human beings for dates and calculations, however, it is prudent to pay attention to more important things. The secular dates can not be safe, based on findings and comparisons more or less incomplete, and certainly we can not base our faith on this one - 2 Corinthians 5: 7 What would happen if the 597 BCE, as well as 607 or 537 or any other date on which we have based much of Bible prophecy (not that there was a real reason to do it) tomorrow will prove completely wrong? The consequences could be very serious and not only from a human point of view - Amos 3: 1, 2 We must not take for granted Jehovah's mercy we must be cautious in our statements. Since we have no certainty that the "seven times" does not depict just seven years, we should not get bogged down in these speculations. The most important thing is not perhaps understanding the identity of Babylon the Great? This is a crucial aspect of the prophecy because they are clues to guide us in the subjects and in the times we are living like road signs, and not the calculations - Compare Matthew 00:32, 33 and 2 Timothy 3: 1-5 and make a contrast with Matthew 24:36 There is no time stamp for the killing of two witnesses in sackcloth (see Revelation ch. 11), but we know that they are revealed at the end of the war. We know that the city called "Sodom and Egypt" is Babylon the Great, then Israel, and therefore we also know what country and what events to look carefully . What the Bible actually prophesies the year of his "resurrection" or not, it is certainly interesting but not essential for those who believe, it really is the inspired Word of God. Fundamental, if anything, will be "out of it" when the UN will prepare to destroy it.     * However, the Bible confirms the method "a day for a year" and also that this was the same method used by the people of God - Ezekiel 4: 6; Luke 3:15   For more information https://attenzioneallaprofezia.blogspot.it/