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Meaning alone or the way the verse is worded in their NWT? Because the wording itself there is no violation in regards to the Greek text.

On this forum alone there is 4:
Trinitarians Non-Trinitarians Atheists and the Misguided (or the uninformed; and one instance of a broken minded soul) In each of these groups the experience, knowledge, and the like differ - some minor, and to some, great. Should have seen how it was earlier on.
That being said, we are very lucky to not have certain people and or groups, like the Jehovah's Warriors troop, for should they roll by as they do in other various forms of media concerning religious discussions and the come like a back of wolves. These dudes are a combination of Baptist, Protestants, and Black Israelites merged into one, and currently the only group that has been more annoying than the common Trinitarian after they showed up mid-pandemic of whom I and a few others are dealing with, for the debate revolves around, in their eyes Black Magic being a blessing, celebs talking about Hell and the Afterlife, so essentially, anything Bible based or religious base is spoken of by famous people or politicians, they show up.
Well that is one comparable factor. There is always something everyday on some form of media, even forums, so essentially, as you said, like a SNL episode.

If one does not change, they remain the same, and eventually they start to complain.

Many of the Society's "un-approved" videos are available on  Rutube.ru.

Yehovah is the same as Jehovah - the first is hebrew and the second english - same sounds.  If you know any other languages you will know that the first thing one learns is PRONUNCIATION!  The Hebrew Y   is the same sound as english J
 

He asked all his followers to pray for it. 
Yes, of course, my bad. I should have been more specific; he had been faithful until death, and that is what qualified him to receive all authority as king. Just like when the anointed die faithful, when they are resurrected they receive the crown of life. 

It seems to me that everyone here is in at least one of several disparate camps of certainty about how to interpret scriptures about this subject, and that within each of these camps there are serious questions about whether certain "facts" align, support or contradict other ....  "facts" about the main conclusions in each camp.
It sprains my small canine brain to try and make sense of it all ... it's like the SNL sketch "Dueling Banjos Brandos", but in this case it's "Dueling Scriptures".
My guess is that whatever is going to happen .... if I have full and complete knowledge, or are completely and totally ignorant, it will be all the same .... there is NOTHING I, or we,  can do about ANY of it.
I do not have to have a Doctorate in Mechanical and Automotive Engineering to try and not be run over by a car.
....distractions will get you killed.

@TrueTomHarley Unfortunately he didn't get the gif was connected to the quotation about taking in context.
@Anna Then there is the time period itself that is in connection with Jesus' Kingship and the Kingdom to come itself, outside of the notion of the chosen Firstfruits/Anointed Ones. For in the theology of the JW faith it is noted that in Daniel chapter 4, it was prophesied that a period of 2,520 years, from 607 BC, The Siege/Fall of Jerusalem up to until 1914, which in turn, equates to the Gentile Times. On the other side of the spectrum, you have the 587 camp vs the 607 camp in this regard.

Doesn't make sense to me either, this is why I began wondering about how these various scriptures regarding Jesus' kingship could be explained as a whole. I got to thinking about the main purpose of God's kingdom, (as opposed to the other administrations) the one Jesus asked us to pray for, the one that would be the tool to reconcile all things to God, the one that was indirectly referred to in the garden of Eden (when Jehovah said Satan would be bruised in the head) as the solution for putting right what Adam made wrong.
There is no denying that the scriptures say that all things were subjected to Jesus as King when he returned to heaven. But for Jesus to ask his followers to pray for this particular kingdom, God's Kingdom, I think that would make no sense if it already existed since 33CE. True, we were asked to pray for his will to be done on earth as in heaven, so the kingdom could be said to have already been existing, just not exercising dominion over the earth yet, but to me it seems to fit better that it came into existence at the harvest time, since that was one of the purposes of God's Kingdom....to gather the things on the earth. Of course it fits our JW history very well, with the "flashes of truth" "rattling of the bones" etc. (And dare I say it, with WW1....1914)
Revelation also talks about the birth of the Kingdom (God's Kingdom). Something that occurred at a point in history, with Jesus becoming king of that kingdom. I don't see that Revelation has to necessarily be talking about it happening in the 1st century....
Yes I have heard that too. So there is another type of kingdom....
Lol. 
I am not sure if @JW Insideraddressed it, if not, I hope he does! 

This seems to prove exactly what I was saying, that Jesus WAS King whilst HE was on Earth.  
You seem to be saying that Jesus could say those things because He would be King in the future. 
We must therefore agree to differ on this matter.
As for reading the scripture in context, of course I did. And I fully understand whom He was talking to and why.  Maybe next time I should quote a whole chapter should I ? 
I took the meme at the bottom of your comment as a personal insult so I will not bother to converse with you again. I thought you were above such things.  You choosing to insult me with the actions of a 'man of colour' because you are such, is leaning toward racism in my opinion. 
 

Yet these facts are based off of scripture, legitimate Hermeneutics, which isn't isolated to JWs, just Anti-Trinitarianism in general who are aware of the Firstfruits and Jesus' status. If the latter followed Trinitarianism, then things would be wildly different.
The real question is how do you know who has asked for the spirit, an who has not? Would it not be wise to adhere to 1 John 4:1? Mainly if the Hermeneutics on the latter is accurate?
What do they disagree with if they themselves are Anti-Trinitarians? If I am not mistaken, they understand what and who are the Firstfruits as is the core teachings of the Kingdom, hence their other focus on 144,000 individuals who make up that group.
You just quoted the verse, not taking in the context.
The most simplest answer is - Jesus telling the Jewish leaders they stand before God's chosen, the very one who will eventually be installed as King in God's Kingdom after the conclusion of End Times, and all things connected to it.
First, Jesus, who might be in North Samaria or Galilee at the time, was talking to the Pharisees, which is evident due to pervious verse, Luke 17:20, which can be compared to Matthew 23:13 and they, the Pharisees, were talking to him because they asked him about the arrival of the Kingdom.
We already know Jesus is the one chosen for Kingship by God, and eventually be seated in the Kingdom after all is set and done.
It can be said that - The Kingdom of God is in their midst because the chosen King of God’s Kingdom, Jesus, is right there in front of them, hence the following verse:
Matthew 21:5 - Say to the daughter of Zion, ‘Behold, your king is coming to you, humble, and mounted on a donkey, on a colt,1 the foal of a beast of burden.’ ”
Not only was he, Christ Jesus, was present before them, he also had power and authority to perform works by means of utilizing what God has given him, as is with the preparation of those chosen for the coming Kingdom (Luke 22:29-30).
Also safe to say, according to the context, the Kingdom will not come in an obvious manner as the latter believed in such. More to note, the one who is to sit at the Throne of David was made superior much later on.
If you understood the verse, Jesus, whom is God's chosen for the Kingdom, was standing in front of, and speaking to Pharisees who asked him a question about the Kingdom.
That being said, better to take in all context of the passage itself and understand what it is conveying, in turn, you learn what the verse that is within the passage means. As I mentioned before to some - Never sacrifice a passage for a single verse.
If there is no contextual understanding, there is no understanding of the verse, which evidently, the one who is reading becomes null from the facts itself.

 

Here is an article that warns that the mainstream media better be frank as to the side effects of any vaccine produced by a crash program, because they are significant, as the article below states. The resulting vaccine will still be worth taking, the writer states, but if media doesn’t quit their unabashed cheerleading for it, they provide huge opportunity for ‘anti-vaxxers’ to later say, “Look at what they didn’t tell you.”
https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-vaccines-with-minor-side-effects-could-still-be-pretty-bad/

You're confusing his status with King to his status as a Firstfruit.
Hence my response of which you quoted - The notion of the Firstfruits (Chosen Ones, Anointed Ones) is 100% core to legitimate Anti-Trinitarians, this includes the Jehovah's Witnesses too.
Jesus became King much later on if Revelations is to be understood (as is with the following passages - Matthew 24:14; Luke 21:10, 11, 31), however, his status as a Firstfruit began when he was resurrected by God from out of the pangs of death [But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep], which can be read here - Christ, the Firstfruits of the Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20-23)

In their theology, regarding 1914, they said Jesus was enthroned as King in heaven. This is based off of the time period after Jerusalem’s destruction (Siege of Jerusalem), which is about 2,520 years past post, also if you factor in King David and Daniel's vision, and so forth. When Jesus was given Kingship, the very first act he has done was expel wick from out of heaven, Revelation 12:7-10, and this evil being Satan and his demons. This event to many is known as The War of Heaven, The Book of Revelation describes said war between angels led vs. demons, with Jesus leading the angels, and  The Dragon leading his demons, and the aftermath resulted in the enemy combatants' defeated, cast out of heaven to earth.
And this is known for those other sheep have yet to here the gospel, hence the verses I've mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew and Luke.
In order to be one flock, the reaching how must be done by means of spreading the gospel of the good news, and of the Messianic Kingdom to come.
Yes, and there are some of them who are still alive today, but a few - they make up the Kingdom.
That is a bit misleading. The notation of the Firstfruits began when Jesus became the first one upon death. Jesus Christ, being the the mediator of the New Covenant of which Spiritual Israel is under, was due to his death and eventually rise by means of God; all this is the basis of the promise (Luke 22:20; Hebrews 9:15). Spiritual Israel essentially, began on Pentecost 33 A.D.
If, by what you are saying Spiritual Israel started at his baptism it with would prove to be very contradicting to other connections by Scripture.
Spiritual Israel ended up heeding command of the Christ to preach not just the gospel, but the coming of the Kingdom itself, of which they will evidently be a part of, especially, the ones who still roam the earth today.
There talking about Jesus' Kingship, not Spiritual Israel or the Firstfruits. As is, not really mentioned by them, but to others, The War in Heaven.
Would it not be wise to go for facts instead of feelings? Facts usually outweigh a personal exegesis on some things.
That being said, I would not call them afraid, it is just that this subject has been mentioned many, many times on here. Simply looking into "1914" by itself can net you numerous results of topics and posts, and on top of that, those topics already have the answer, perhaps the one you sought for.
That being said, you have to really look into carefully of what started at baptism, and what started at Pentecost 33 A.D. Both unique events, with different outcomes deemed historic and prophetic.
 
I recommend carefully examining the references, or more importantly, the years from the Siege to Kingship of the Christ.

Yes but other platforms were basically non existent.  The video on YouTube was popular in viewership and when they removed it suddenly. They gave me No opportunity to state my case or defend myself. They sent me some notice that I violated their terms.  But never mentioned which term was violated.

My bad. Though they are my words, they are meant as an extension of PSomH’s request to JWI. (Sort of an inside joke)
He will beg him for advice,
His reply will be concise,
And he’ll listen very nicely then go off and do precisely what he wants. (which is to tell JWI he’s wrong)

The notion of the Firstfruits (Chosen Ones, Anointed Ones) is 100% core to legitimate Anti-Trinitarians, this includes the Jehovah's Witnesses too. Not to mention that Firstfruits are the type of Christians who have no singular status, i.e. race, background, sex, etc. Liken to the early apostolic church formed that day, granted, Spiritual Israel and it's role in The Messianic Kingdom extended past Jews, thus the conversion of Samaritans, Gentiles, etc.
Guess Simon of Cyrene didn't get the memo. They picked him out of the crowd, putting the spotlight on him and he had no practice.

The notion of the Firstfruits (Chosen Ones, Anointed Ones) is 100% core to legitimate Anti-Trinitarians, this includes the Jehovah's Witnesses too. Not to mention that Firstfruits are the type of Christians who have no singular status, i.e. race, background, sex, etc. Liken to the early apostolic church formed that day, granted, Spiritual Israel and it's role in The Messianic Kingdom extended past Jews, thus the conversion of Samaritans, Gentiles, etc.
Guess Simon of Cyrene didn't get the memo. They picked him out of the crowd, putting the spotlight on him and he had no practice.

A simple translation error, even a punctuation can shift a faith and or create another brief outside of core Christianity. Which leads to my issue with Trinirarians, and as of now these people who came out of the pandemic referring to themselves as God's Warriors otherwise known as Jehovah's/Yahweh's Warriors who are KJV-Onlyist who are broadline Black Israelites.
That being said, it is an endless game of chess until The End Time Tribulations truly kicks off.

... um ....  MY personal opinion is that Jesus' 100% human brother Brian got a bum rap after stepping out of his fishing boat, and trying to walk towards shore on the water.
The day before he had been to a crucifixion rehearsal, and both his feet had holes.

@Arauna Well one thing for certain some of this stuff has already caused a form of segregation among the people. This goes for covid-19, censorship, institutional indoctrination to groom division among children and climate change to some degree. Essentially, today's society just hit a Bizarro World type scenario.

@Arauna Well one thing for certain some of this stuff has already caused a form of segregation among the people. This goes for covid-19, censorship, institutional indoctrination to groom division among children and climate change to some degree. Essentially, today's society just hit a Bizarro World type scenario.

This is indeed true, judgement, at times, not always correct, comes into play in various forms in events (prior to, during, aftermath, later, etc.). This is true concerning eyewitnesses, for if more information is received (may not always be correct as you said, hence more interviews), the more visible the puzzle of the situation can visibly be seen, however, people can retain the choice of abiding by lawful constitutional  rights, even in these kinds of situations, which police officers are aware of and respect. That is if the person is questionable; the police would talk to said person because they suspect said person have committed a crime. If the person is detained, it means the police have ample evidence to commit to an arrest, resulting in admission to prompt an even stronger chance.

Lawful Constitutional enables one to have the right to remain silent, so the person, if he or she wishes, do not have to talk to law enforcement officers (or anyone else) in this regard.  It depends on the person, at times, the person is given time to speak another time, mainly when the case is still going. For others, if they feel ready to speak, they take said action to do so, mainly if they believe their input allows progression of a case.

In some cases yes, but not always correct, since audio and video feed can be altered, change in some way shape or form, several examples, even recent ones, i.e. a simple edit in audio/video resulted in a racial induced onslaught while the other side who called it out, it brutally attacked. Be it from an actual incident and or interview, all information must be presented instead of just going with the lackluster and claim it as a truth.

No one is immune to the latter. All men, women and children are subjected, as is the ability to take some form of action and or provide input vary between person to person. Beliefs, background does not provide immunity.

This is good in some instances, but can be problematic in other situations; to seek out those who share the same mentality - which leads to absurd instances in of itself.
That is also true in regards to feelings. Likewise people in some cases will spark emotion in order to evade factual information, they also become worrisome and can mock/attack you in the process, at the same time, they rally others to do the same thing. If an apple is red, which is fact, you use emotion to convince people it is blue, is problematic.

How I see it, some in today's society are quite sensitive when it comes to facts. You can show feeling into something, however, to avoid what is true can lead to problems, some of which we see today with all these groups either for the Red team or the Blue - Among the many arenas of which I have a disdain for, for some time now.

That being said, better to do enough research to reach a conclusion instead of being the type of person who goes about things irrationally. Something people have succumb to nowadays. Or as some say, even me - Facts over Feelings.
 
Sometimes the truth hurts for some people, and when the truth is spoken, their true colors flourish like a white rose among red roses.

I was more focused on the original opening comment, haven't brushed over page 2, but yes. There are things that the human mind can't comprehend concerning aliens, and there are those, who are familiar with what I have mentioned, and it does not shake them, but enables them to tread carefully as is doing the research, i.e. Pentagon Reports and their confusion, focused base station lasers to fool people, Zimbabwe, etc.
In my case, stuff like this is another day in the office, if it weren't for my own history, then perhaps in a different reality my armor of faith would succumb to several cracks.
That being said, I said what I said because about a month ago, there was an discussion that lasted for almost 2 hours talking about aliens as is what I had brought up before.
@ApostaBabe Linda James Indeed. Always busy. Even more now compared to before because of whom I now represent.

Unfortunately, it would not shake up one's faith, especially in regards to my history whereas half of my family come from an area whereas in said area manifestations and influences are a thing. In some of these manifestations, there has been sightings of various odd looking creatures, even grey and green ones an example would be the greyish demonic figure standing over an infant child in the middle of the night looking at the ceiling, only discovered via smart camera in one's house. In addition, more and more of this is predominant in the realm of those who are practitioners of Black Magic otherwise known as Voodou.
There has been some events to which even the air force was shocked, which sparks the question about shifting focus from space to the deep oceans. Then you have the situation with the African Children a while back that sent them into a mental induced ride of their life.
 
That being said, in the past, people use to replica various nefarious things with the dead, but despite this, it has never shaken one's faith. Even present day with manifestations, black magic, deception and all the things that can break a man.

I was more focused on the original opening comment, haven't brushed over page 2, but yes. There are things that the human mind can't comprehend concerning aliens, and there are those, who are familiar with what I have mentioned, and it does not shake them, but enables them to tread carefully as is doing the research, i.e. Pentagon Reports and their confusion, focused base station lasers to fool people, Zimbabwe, etc.
In my case, stuff like this is another day in the office, if it weren't for my own history, then perhaps in a different reality my armor of faith would succumb to several cracks.
That being said, I said what I said because about a month ago, there was an discussion that lasted for almost 2 hours talking about aliens as is what I had brought up before.
@ApostaBabe Linda James Indeed. Always busy. Even more now compared to before because of whom I now represent.