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    Watcher got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Why a luxury compound?   
    So in other words.....youre closed to any information that has been shown to you in the past and whats more...you are not open to view any information objectively that has or will be shown to you in the future? - Got it. 
    "I'll have a serious discussion with anyone who is able and willing. But I haven't seen anything resembling such so far under this thread. Only the same old hoary chestnuts thrashed out ad nauseum elsewhere."- Gone Fishing.
     
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    Watcher got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Why a luxury compound?   
    I can only assume that "Gone Fishing" is not looking for a serious discussion. Because anyone who is even remotely aware of the current events and the goings on within the watchtower knows good and well that things ARE NOT WELL. Even the very first sentence from this poster was sadly laughable.
    ". Why not? If they believe Paul's description of themselves that they are "ambassadors substituting for Christ" (2Cor 5:20) and that Christ is the ruler of Jehovah's Messianic Kingdom "-Gone Fishing
    Not even the King Himself Jesus Christ didnt enjoyed such luxuries and neither did he seek them. The scriptures plainly states
    " But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head."- Luke 9:58
    yet here they are...living in high luxury.  
    "Are you already satisfied? Are you already rich? Have you begun ruling as kings+ without us? I really wish that you had begun ruling as kings, so that we also might rule with you as kings.+" 1Corithians 4:8
    And dont even get me started about the child sex abuse cases that are being piled up within the courtrooms around the world ...little boys and girls who have been rapped and molested by those who are/were in leadership positions within the organization and the Watchtower refusal to cooperate with the superior authorities. 
    No...I cant take this poster serious at all.
     
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    Watcher got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Why a luxury compound?   
    Unfortunately it can not be justified and whats more...its highly hypocritical on their part. They advice the brothers and sisters to live with a simple eye, in fact...they prefer them to not even seek a higher education, why? Because "The end is near" Because of a lack of education many (not all) of the brothers and sisters find it very difficult to support themselves and their families which forces them to have to work Over Time to compensate.....or worse, Multiple jobs. in light of  this fact, the "Slave" lives high luxury on "Kings Road"
    Jehovah has seen all of these things and noticed something more shocking than this, for he says"The prophets prophesy lies,And the priests dominate by their own authority.And my own people love it that way."- Jeremiah 5:30
    Nothing can be done about this gross hypocracy at present...but when Jesus Arrives, We as Gods people will answer not only for our Hypocrisy, but for our stupidity for "The Judgement Starts With The House Of God"-1Peter 4:17
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    Watcher reacted to Witness in Why a luxury compound?   
    The word “substituting” was added by the NWT.  It isn't found in the Greek Interlinear.   An ambassador acts as a representative.  There is difference.  Also, every anointed one is to “represent” Jesus through their teachings in harmony with his.  John 13:20; John 15:4  The GB have fully usurped Christ’s Headship, and demand obedience from the rest of the anointed ones.  Matt 24:48-51 So, yes, “substituting“ is a good descriptive term for them; they have become “Christ” for a day, or so they think so.  Of course, it has been said, many other anointed ones are a bit “wacky”; most likely from drinking the “Harlot’s” intoxicating brew. Rev 17:1,2  Maybe they don’t deserve a place they can call “home”? 
    Do you remember Eoin, when all anointed ones were referred to as the "faithful and discreet slave", even though that is still Christ's judgment call?  Luke 19:17
    Why not?  Jesus said, “my kingdom is not part of this world” 18:36
     What about God’s Kingdom? 
    “Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.”  2 Pet 3:13
    Because Jesus said nothing built within the earth was needed to worship in spirit and truth.  John 4:21-14
    “So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.”  2 Cor 4:18
    Acts points out that God is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything.  Acts 17:24,25
    2 Tim 4:3
    The “preaching” began in Jesus day.  In 2,000 years, the Bible made its way around most the world with no problem. During that time there were anointed ones walking the earth with truth in their mouth. Matt 25:14-23; Mal 2:7  Within only the last 100 years, the organization has taken on what they believe is the true "preaching work". Today, the final preaching work is to spiritual “Israel”, who have been captivated through a false preaching work, driven by lies and man's greed.  Matt 10:23; 2 Tim 3:1-9; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10
    The “suitable premises” that initiates God’s work is within the righteous hearts, and where Mount Zion is found.  Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16; Eph 2:20-22; Rev 21:22-24
    “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;  but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.”  Matt 6:19-21
    “Then the second angel sounded: And something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea, and a third of the sea became blood.  And a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.”   Rev 8:8,9
    Outside of the “mountainlike organization” come the final living stones to finish off God’s Temple – not from within.  Rev 16:12; Rev 11:1-3; Zech 4:7-10; Rev 7:13,14; Rev 5:9,10
     A composite Master has been developed to rule over people – the organization, the elder body, the GB.  It requires another’s money and identity to remain under this ‘slavery’.  For a false promise of paradise, people “sell” their identity to a corporation, in exchange for the work of their hands.  If one secretly never donates, they are still slaves to fear - fear of the loss of their life as they know it, if they choose to follow the only Master, Jesus Christ.  Matt 10:39; Luke 9:23
     
     
     
     
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    Watcher reacted to Witness in Why a luxury compound?   
    Yes, I was, until I realized that worshiping God requires only one “mark” on our spiritual forehead, the source of our spiritual thoughts and actions – the mark of God.  
    Baptism questions:
    "The first question is:
    On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will? 

    The second is:
    Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization? Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism."
    “Don’t you know that if you offer yourselves to someoneas obedient slaves, you are slaves of that one you obey—either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness?”  Rom 6:16
    From “What You Vow You Pay”  Wt. 4/2017
     Have you dedicated your life to Jehovah and symbolized your dedication by baptism in water? If you have, that is wonderful! Do you remember when the brother giving the baptism talk asked whether you had dedicated yourself to Jehovah and understood that “your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses”?  
    Where in the scriptures are we required to dedicate ourselves to an organization?  It certainly can’t be found in these words of Jesus:
     "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,  teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you."
    What I find alarming, is that the Holy Spirit is not addressed in the baptism questions; but a “spirit-directed organization” replaces it; the work of a false prophet.  Rev 13:15-17  Obviously, Jesus' command to heed his words are ignored by the organization.  
    Our vow is only to God and Christ. 
    “Then I looked, and there was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him were 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.”  Rev 14:1
    Gal 1:10; Rev 13:16,8,17
    “When you make a vow to God, don’t delay fulfilling it, because he does not delight in fools. Fulfill what you vow.”  Eccl 5:4
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Watcher reacted to TrueTomHarley in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    Did you ever hear a person say: "I am gay or I am a pedophile but I have good self-control and am not practicing anything bad so I am okay to invite to lunch with your family including your.....minor kids?
     
    JW scientists are busy at this very moment inventing a machine that can read minds so as to solve this problem.
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    Watcher got a reaction from Anna in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    I once heard a talk about this very thing, many years ago....what on earth does it mean? The brother gave some good insight on it that really helped shed some light on Jesus words. His explanation was that an individual who thinks or looks at another long enough to have sexual desires for that person....usually at some point acts it out. If one is in the habit of [constantly] having sexual fantasies and or  Sexual desires he/she has a high probability of submitting to it.
    The seed of sin has already been planted (looking, longing, fantasizing) within the mind and it is fertilized each time the person in question engages in such thoughts or habits.  Once the root grows deep in the heart....there will be nothing to hold you back. You will act.
    So yes....the person has technically ALREADY SINNED  (Premeditation) before the act itself was ever committed. 
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    Watcher got a reaction from Srecko Sostar in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    I once heard a talk about this very thing, many years ago....what on earth does it mean? The brother gave some good insight on it that really helped shed some light on Jesus words. His explanation was that an individual who thinks or looks at another long enough to have sexual desires for that person....usually at some point acts it out. If one is in the habit of [constantly] having sexual fantasies and or  Sexual desires he/she has a high probability of submitting to it.
    The seed of sin has already been planted (looking, longing, fantasizing) within the mind and it is fertilized each time the person in question engages in such thoughts or habits.  Once the root grows deep in the heart....there will be nothing to hold you back. You will act.
    So yes....the person has technically ALREADY SINNED  (Premeditation) before the act itself was ever committed. 
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    Watcher reacted to Srecko Sostar in Shunning, sinners and excommunication in JW congregations   
    Quotations from JWorg. It can be on other issue also, but this is also interesting: my comments are in red color.
    "While the Bible disapproves of homosexual acts, it does not condone hatred of homosexuals or homophobia. Instead, Christians are directed to “respect everyone.”—1 Peter 2:17, Good News Translation.
    Question: How JW show respect to everyone if are not willing to say even hello on street to person who is: everyday sinner, in process of cleaning from sin, in the state of repentance and not doing sin, in a process of fighting against own bad desires with more or less success?  
    Can a person be born homosexual?
    The Bible doesn’t comment directly on the biology of homosexual desires, though it acknowledges that we are all born with a tendency to go against what God commands. (Romans 7:21-25) Rather than focus on the cause of homosexual desires, however, the Bible prohibits homosexual acts.
    the Bible speaks of “those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts,” and then it adds: “That is what some of you were.”—1 Corinthians 6:9-11.
    In saying “that is what some of you were,” does the Bible mean that those who stopped engaging in homosexual acts never again experienced any homosexual desires? That could hardly be the case, because the Bible also exhorts: “Keep walking by spirit and you will carry out no fleshly desire.”—Galatians 5:16.
    As to my knowledge from JWorg publications, person who is homosexual is allowed to be baptized and to become member of JW cong as long as he/she not practicing such behavior. In other words, Bro John Doe is a gay, but because he is passive gay or pedophile or ...  (he can have desire, and he have desire) because he have good self control and not practicing sinful desire, he can be invite for lunch in some family with ...minor kids.!?   
    Note that the Bible does not say that a Christian will never experience an improper desire. Rather, it says that he or she will choose not to carry out that desire. Christians learn to bring such desires under control, not dwelling on them to the point of acting on them.—James 1:14, 15. [6]
    The Bible thus makes a distinction between inclinations and practices. (Romans 7:16-25) A person who has homosexual leanings can control what he allows his mind to dwell on, just as he would control any other wrong desire, including leanings toward anger, adultery, and greed.—1 Corinthians 9:27; 2 Peter 2:14, 15.
    While Jehovah’s Witnesses uphold the moral code set forth in the Bible, they do not force their views on others. Nor do they try to reverse laws that protect the human rights of those whose lifestyle differs from theirs. The message that Jehovah’s Witnesses bear is a positive one, and they eagerly share it with all who will listen.—Acts 20:20.
    But Jesus said, someone who have sinful thoughts, desires he already made a sin. No matter did he engaging in act or not. So, this is somehow in opposition to explanation we read before in text by JWorg. So, did someone who have just desire and never done nothing to realized it (he is made sin in mind and heart, and by Jesus words, he is wrongdoer) braking the unwritten law said by Jesus.                 Mat 5:27,28  "You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." 
    Does JW members take a stand about this (statement from Jesus) according to Bible or they need to reconsider rules about this matter? 
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    Watcher reacted to Witness in "Nourishing Spiritual Food"?   
    "Do not work for food that spoils; instead, work for the food that lasts for eternal life. This is the food which the Son of Man will give you, because God, the Father, has put his mark of approval on him.”  John 6:27
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    Watcher got a reaction from tromboneck in Why a luxury compound?   
    So in other words.....youre closed to any information that has been shown to you in the past and whats more...you are not open to view any information objectively that has or will be shown to you in the future? - Got it. 
    "I'll have a serious discussion with anyone who is able and willing. But I haven't seen anything resembling such so far under this thread. Only the same old hoary chestnuts thrashed out ad nauseum elsewhere."- Gone Fishing.
     
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    Watcher got a reaction from tromboneck in Why a luxury compound?   
    I can only assume that "Gone Fishing" is not looking for a serious discussion. Because anyone who is even remotely aware of the current events and the goings on within the watchtower knows good and well that things ARE NOT WELL. Even the very first sentence from this poster was sadly laughable.
    ". Why not? If they believe Paul's description of themselves that they are "ambassadors substituting for Christ" (2Cor 5:20) and that Christ is the ruler of Jehovah's Messianic Kingdom "-Gone Fishing
    Not even the King Himself Jesus Christ didnt enjoyed such luxuries and neither did he seek them. The scriptures plainly states
    " But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head."- Luke 9:58
    yet here they are...living in high luxury.  
    "Are you already satisfied? Are you already rich? Have you begun ruling as kings+ without us? I really wish that you had begun ruling as kings, so that we also might rule with you as kings.+" 1Corithians 4:8
    And dont even get me started about the child sex abuse cases that are being piled up within the courtrooms around the world ...little boys and girls who have been rapped and molested by those who are/were in leadership positions within the organization and the Watchtower refusal to cooperate with the superior authorities. 
    No...I cant take this poster serious at all.
     
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    Watcher got a reaction from Doreen Dineoana Moteka Mthembu in Why a luxury compound?   
    Unfortunately it can not be justified and whats more...its highly hypocritical on their part. They advice the brothers and sisters to live with a simple eye, in fact...they prefer them to not even seek a higher education, why? Because "The end is near" Because of a lack of education many (not all) of the brothers and sisters find it very difficult to support themselves and their families which forces them to have to work Over Time to compensate.....or worse, Multiple jobs. in light of  this fact, the "Slave" lives high luxury on "Kings Road"
    Jehovah has seen all of these things and noticed something more shocking than this, for he says"The prophets prophesy lies,And the priests dominate by their own authority.And my own people love it that way."- Jeremiah 5:30
    Nothing can be done about this gross hypocracy at present...but when Jesus Arrives, We as Gods people will answer not only for our Hypocrisy, but for our stupidity for "The Judgement Starts With The House Of God"-1Peter 4:17
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    Watcher reacted to Witness in Anointed Ones and JW.org   
    JR, I say this sincerely.  I feel you have probably been in the Watchtower for a great many years and you steadfastly defend the organization and its leadership.  There are those anointed ones who reject Christ by accepting Satan’s promise of prominence and greed. Matt 4:8; 1 John 2:19 They are those in this time of the end who are used to create the trap against their fellow servants, allowing for the spiritual war of truth against lies.  We respect those who speak truth; why should we respect anyone who speaks a lie in the Father’s name?  Jer 23:16
    “For I am already bringing disaster on the city that bears my name, so how could you possibly go unpunished? You will not go unpunished, for I am summoning a sword against all the inhabitants of the earth. This is the declaration of the Lord of Armies.’  Jer 25:29 
    From the Wt. 04/2/15 pp. 15-20 “What methods do apostates use to achieve their aim? They often resort to distortions, half-truths, and outright falsehoods. Jesus knew that his followers would be victimized by those who would “tell all kinds of evil lies against” them. Such malicious opposers would tell what is not true with the intent to deceive others. The apostle Peter warned about apostates who would use “counterfeit words,” spread “deceptive teachings,” and ‘twist the Scriptures’ to their own ends. (2 Peter 2:3, 13; 3:16) Sadly, apostates succeed in “subverting the faith of some.”—2 Timothy 2:18. Wt. 04/2/15/ pp. 15-20
    Distortion, half-truths and outright falsehoods.  These are quotes from the video I posted under “Nourishing Spiritual Food?” under “Questions”:
    “But the big question is this. Is this year 1975 the final year, the last year before the Great Tribulation breaks and reaches its climax in the battle of the great day of God the almighty and Armageddon? Fred Franz, 2/10/1975 Los Angeles, CA
    “Well we don’t have to guess what the year 1975 means if we read the Watchtower, because the Watchtower has been very explicit as to what the year 1975 means for us when God will bring the battle of Armageddon and clean this ole earth off, and you will be ushered right into a paradise earth for ever more. Never again to be afflicted with this Satanic old system of things. It will be GONE, DOWN. Charles Sinutko, District Overseer, 1967 convention in Sheboygan, MI
    Watchtower, Nov. 1, 1972, p. 644 "Does this admission of making mistakes stamp them (Wt./GB) as false prophets? Not at all, for false prophets do not admit to making mistakes."
    Have they admitted to making a huge mistake about 1975? Is that how it was presented during the Annual Convention, 2017?  Nothing was said about who originated the lies, Watchtower’s own leadership.
    Wt. “Prophecy”, 1929, p 22 - "If these prophesies have not been fulfilled, and if all possibility of fulfilment is past, then these prophets are proven false."
    Should we respect a false prophet?
      “Either make the tree good and its fruit will be good, or make the tree bad and its fruit will be bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. 34 Brood of vipers! How can you speak good things when you are evil? For the mouth speaks from the overflow of the heart. 35 A good person produces good things from his storeroom of good, and an evil person produces evil things from his storeroom of evil. 36 I tell you that on the day of judgment people will have to account for every careless word they speak.37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
    An anointed one’s “storeroom” is their heart, which should only ‘store’ living waters of truth from Christ.  If they mislead millions with a lie, is it Jesus’ fault?  Jer 17:13; John 7:38
    “I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without me.”  John 15:5
    That fruit is purely good, nourishing, life-giving fruit.
    “This is what the Lord of Armies says: ‘Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are deluding you. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth.’”  Jer 23:16
    There is a connected chain of false prophets in the Watchtower.  The connection that links them together is the organization - Satan’s lie.  2 Thess 2:11,12; Zech 5:5-11; Rev 13:4-10
    “There were indeed false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, and will bring swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved ways, and the way of truth will be maligned because of them. 3 They will exploit you in their greed with made-up stories. Their condemnation, pronounced long ago, is not idle, and their destruction does not sleep.”  2 Pet 2:1-3
     
     
     
     
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    Watcher reacted to Matthew9969 in Why a luxury compound?   
    I have a two part question: Why does Jehovah require the faithful and discreet slave to build a very expensive and grandiose luxury compound when the end of the world is imminent and how can the faithful and discreet slave justify the cost when they are not receiving as much money as they are spending?
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    Watcher reacted to Jack Ryan in 1975 and the Jehovah's Witnesses   
    So in May 1974 you were commended if you sold your homes and property.
    In 2017 if you were one of those that sold your home and property you were weak and dedicated to "a date".
    The mind boggles. Is your mind boggled? Dont let it boggle too much!

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