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  1. I see I see. The confusion is on the particulars. While you are referring to the first CHRISTAIN congregation my thought was more elaborate to the time. There has always been a Jerusalem governing body, before, during, and after Christ walked this earth. I was appealing to the governing body while Jesus was still alive. Now we're getting somewhere. Your reference is when the CHRISTAIN congregation was finally composed after the 120 anointed that ended comprising the first church of about 3000 thousand baptized members. Yes, that certainly would hold what the present day governing body function is. I believe after Judas was replaced by Matthias, James was appointed to head the church in Jerusalem. Then followed Paul after his dramatic conversion which was confirmed by James, Peter, and John as an apostle to the gentiles. Does this make Paul the 13th, apostle? I would imagine this is why the apostles being preeminent authorities to the first church, gave them the ability to anoint the first church elders. Instructed them the doctrine and gospel, the conduct of a true Christian; that is perhaps lost here, and back up their words by pairing scripture. I guess the same way the Watchtower under the guidance of Jehovah’s Witnesses has refined that to the better. It’s good there were sensible people like Rutherford, Knorr, and Fred. While the news grew, it became clear to those that headed the first church, there was a need to expand on the leadership role to newly formed churches throughout the cities. That, of course, was to maintain the standards that Christ taught. Yes, I don’t see any difference with how the Watchtower is handled today. I also knew that Fred Franz was referring to BOTH standards of leadership. We were not to conform ourselves to the prevailing governing body while Jesus was alive, but live our Christian life in unison with leaders capable of teaching what Christ left for us. Therefore, I never lumped those two issues together. The similar reason how the first Christian congregation leaders dealt with problems like in Samaria and Antioch. It’s amazing how the same thing can be achieved in modern times. To be living the past in modern times. This is why Fred took the presidency seriously. To be the mouthpiece for God and Christ. I guess that is why some foolish people misunderstood Fred, just like they did with Rutherford, and Russell before him. Mouthpiece, sole channel, etc. misunderstood nonsense comes to mind. Of course, administratively, there was a need for a governing body just as the first-century Christian congregation, but the presidency also dealt with other logistical needs. Unfortunately, it seems people just can’t seem to keep those 2 apart. Especially when tainted rhetoric and misapplied watchtower literature is produced as evidence. I could also see the apostasy of today with what was being developed in the second and third century. Matthew 13:24-30, 37-43, 2 Thessalonians 2 However, you must excuse me. I usually write things from memory. I don’t take 24 hours to research something or 2-3 days to respond. Enjoy your day, and say hi to your friend and admirer Butler. 😉
  2. Just curious. Wasn’t that Fred’s point. Not to have the present day governing body be as the first century, the governing body. It seems you have reservation with Fred’s ecclesiastical abilities. Does this reflect on the notion that you scrutinized the word doctoral? Meaning Fred had now biblical knowledge because he didn’t carry a degree. He was offered to attend a prestigious school of higher learning that he declined. However, which school of higher learning did Jesus attend? Now you can use Paul’s way to supplement his doctrinal treatises with detailed practical directions as to the conduct that should of necessity to, ensue on a belief in the doctrines propounded. Romans 12:6-7 In essence, a fallacy shown here by many as to the roles we all have by God’s Holy Spirit. Why else would there need to be a distinction in scripture? 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 New International Version (NIV) 4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work. Raymond lost his ability to function as a governing body member after he allowed his mind to be poisoned, by bad influence, plain and simple. He could no longer see scripture in a clear state of mind. Now, what does it mean on verse 10 about different kinds of tongues and in some Bibles, speaking in tongues? Doesn’t this relate to interpreting and understanding different languages, in order to communicate with foreign language speakers? Or does it mean to speak gibberish as taught by some within Christendom? Therefore, 1 Peter 4:10-11 confirms and disputes the misguided claim, this person “witness” offers as a rebuttal. 11 whoever speaks, as one who speaks oracles of God; whoever serves, as one who serves by the strength that God supplies-in order that in everything God may be glorified through Jesus Christ. To him belong glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen. Another question. If you don't believe Raymond was as authoritive as Fred, did you personally know this family? or it is a rolling commentary in your part from having read Raymonds fairytale book?
  3. Wasn't this ultra persona😊 online a few days ago? However, I was referring to the rhetoric coming from certain people he disagrees with but doesn't go to the extreme of downvoting them. That's usually a clue. 😉
  4. Since you used a quoted text to make a contradictory view on what the text really means, can you explain how your misguided view just as Raymond was at the end for the Governing Body even though he saw it OK that one man could hold the same charge if a group couldn’t? Jeremiah 31:34, Hebrew 8:11, John 15:3-4 would be figured into 1 John 2:27 Where, would the dispensation of spiritual food, be compromised in your view? Where do you see the GB continue to teach those that have received God’s Holy Spirit other than to maintain their spirit from being compromised by this wicked system, and people like Butler, Srecko, witness, JWinsider, etc? Were you held by force to think the way you do? Just like you are free to say whatever you want, God uses the same freedom to keep his church clean. What scriptural bases can you offer that a rotten apple won’t spoil the barrel? Would you allow a Born Again in your house daily as to receive the gospel of the truth? If so, how would 1 John 2:27 be any different for them, and how could you see being able to hear that on a daily bases in your own home, without seeing you’re not functioning in all cylinders. It appears you have learned nothing about the definition of the word “abide” in order to give you clarity. I also don’t have a problem being downvoted, by a hypocrite. I believe that was my intent when I made the claim that you disagree with others without downvoting them. I can even go further to suggest you harbor disdain toward me. That just proves what you have become as, a none-Christian. This is why you have stepped into Raymond’s shoes and have gone beyond apostasy. If I had the information about the local police department you emailed, I would email them myself to show them your hypocrisy, and blackened heart. I would show them the distortions you make with scripture, and the hatred you harbor toward the Watchtower GB. Care to give me their email address? Unfortunately, this is a realistic side of people no government got to see. Therefore, I don’t mind being in a hot kitchen. It’s just the bad cooking that leaves a bad aftertaste. Perhaps you’re used to it, I’m not. Once again, I encourage you to downvote me. I enjoy the hypocrisy and double standard you display.
  5. Then why aren't you harping on it, as you do with others 😂
  6. Butler, I noticed you don’t downvote people like Anna, JWinsider, TrueTom, James Thomas Rook, etc. even though you disagree with them, and at times have a strong opinion of them. I can honestly state you are being obtuse. Do yourself a favor and grow up. I don't mean spiritually since you have already crossed the line on that, but mentally. I’ll help you with this down vote. Bear witness that your actions mean nothing other than being a stain in your life. I feel sorry for you.
  7. It appears there is more that can be learned about dispensation. The GB is not under a cloud of suspension with their spiritual responsibility. I believe we can learn more by understanding the context of both the O.T. and the N.T. The reality of 1 Corinthians makes a good case for having the proper leadership God can support to instruct his children. Chapter 10 verse 2-4 comes to mind. While the Holy Spirit is given to anyone making a true dedication to Christ and become as one body of Christ, there is still a need to have someone take the lead. If anything can be learned, is not who is exulting who, but how bears more responsibility with God’s Holy Spirit. Hebrews 13:7 This keeps in line with James 3:1. This also explains the humbleness of the GB with Matthew 20:26, Mark 10:42-45 This is why God hold those that take the lead more accountable. 1 Timothy 3:2 Another reason why many Christians truly fail to see Matthew 24:45 in its proper context. Instead, they view themselves as slaves to masters that need to obey regardless. 1 Peter 2:18 This, of course, is not the intent on how the Holy Spirit operates between all of Christ Body. Instead, we need to think like Christ as the head of his own body. Therefore consider this 1 Corthinians 4:2 as bases for the Stewardship of those taking the lead. Perhaps another perspective will aid. “Apostles were no more than servants of Christ, but they were not to be undervalued. They had a great trust, and for that reason, had an honourable office. Paul had a just concern for his own reputation, but he knew that he who chiefly aimed to please men, would not prove himself a faithful servant of Christ. It is a comfort that men are not to be our final judges. And it is not judging well of ourselves, or justifying ourselves, that will prove us safe and happy. Our own judgment is not to be depended upon as to our faithfulness, any more than our own works for our justification. There is a day coming, that will bring men's secret sins into open day, and discover the secrets of their hearts. Then every slandered believer will be justified, and every faithful servant approved and rewarded. The word of God is the best rule by which to judge as to men. Pride commonly is at the bottom of quarrels. Self-conceit contributes to produce undue esteem of our teachers, as well as of ourselves. We shall not be puffed up for one against another, if we remember that all are instruments, employed by God, and endowed by him with various talents.” If the apostles were no more than servants of Christ? Then we can say as equal to others converting to Christianity with the aid of the same Holy Spirit didn’t preclude the apostles from receiving additional powers from the Holy Spirit. Acts 4:8 It’s true, such evidence is no longer available since we have the word of God at our disposal. That doesn’t mean, God cannot use a similar method when there is a need to complete his plans for humanity. And that dear people is where the difference lies. Just like there is a different qualification for Elders by Titus. Titus 1:5-9 English Standard Version (ESV) Qualifications for Elders 5 This is why I left you in Crete, so that you might put what remained into order, and appoint elders in every town as I directed you— 6 if anyone is above reproach, the husband of one wife,[a] and his children are believers and not open to the charge of debauchery or insubordination. 7 For an overseer,[c] as God's steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain, 8 but hospitable, a lover of good, self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. 9 He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound[d] doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. All this, is found in scripture? Raymond Franz subverted scripture to advance his own understanding. He made thousands stumble. Will God find it easy to forgive him? Only those that are left and resurrected will know. Matthew 6:10
  8. When you make grammar errors or error in context, does anyone point out your faults? It bears witness of such disingenuous tactic, coming from a person deemed an excellent writer. Are you looking for perfection? when did you become perfect to show others their faults? Perhaps Srecko can elaborate with his poor use of the English language.
  9. In the case of JWinsider. It appears this, Allensmith34 lives rent-free in his mind. I believe somewhere I have seen a list of about 15-20 people he thinks are the same person. I guess it would be odd to have a network or a circle of friends that think along the same lines, Bible truth. Therefore the single word “doctoral” has no meaning. I would suggest you ignore any derogatory unchristian conduct from this individual. Supporting opposing views like Raymond Franz will be a cross he will have to bear and explain to his maker. Remember this is an individual that emphatically stated Fred Franz endorsed the assumption of the end of the world in 1975, by his own admission and audio/video proof. However, if this is the same manipulated audio/video recording found on the internet generated by apostates, it would be a reason for such an endorsement. Therefore, it is clear that some of us can’t have the same word usage or terminology in order not to trigger, suspension. This means that TrueTom will have to change his writing skills as not to be seen the same as JWinsider. I wonder how many skeletons live in that closet. 😉 I remember a soulless Arab in Florida that got his jollies by pitting Christians against each other. I assume he will have 77 virgins waiting. 😀
  10. I’m glad you made an adjustment in thinking. It appears Raymond was following the same line of understanding with the 144,000. It would be unprecedented to suggest what will eventually be meant as, going beyond bible understanding. If the adjustment had not been provided, then we would have to follow some type of pivotal forethought as to why this would be a new light. I would most likely ask to expand of the following personal determination of the anointed by the following commentary: Can you provide evidence on how you don't believe the Holy Spirit an embodiment of God's active force cannot be transmitted to humans as in the ancient times? I take it to mean, you believe the GB are self-serving like JWinsider seems to imply. How does this view defer from that of Raymond Franz that thought along the same lines? Please give a scriptural example of this new light. With this understanding you have as a JW, this mean you will partake in receiving the Blood and Body of Christ to symbolize your eagerness to be in service of Christ in heaven. Memorial of Jesus’ Death When did you believe you are one of the anointed to receive such a gift that is not given to those that don’t display loyalty, honor, faith, and love toward their fellow Disciples of Christ? Where is it written that a house divided can stand and be part of God’s earthly kingdom? Provide scriptural evidence. Can you explain how the Holy Spirit was introduced to, to give you this new light? I would like to know in order to stop believing in what is written in Acts 2:17 as a matter of conscience. I will also be no more than happy to spread the word of this new teacher that has been glorified by God to have a better understanding of scripture. Will you be splintering from the Watchtower? I have thousands upon thousands of people throughout the world that would be ready to listen and pay close attention to this new gospel. Can we dispense from baptism? I believe with this new understanding, unbaptized publishers should be equal to a baptized publisher without any further need for dedication by baptism since we are all anointed by the same Holy Spirit. Luke 2:22, Matthew 18:10 In effect, wouldn’t this mean anyone that shows love without any further need to mature spiritually, receives the Holy Spirit? Should we readjust our thinking about Isaiah 44:3? How about Ezekiel 11:19 or Ezekiel 36:27. How about Joel 2:28 or Zechariah 12:10 How can we get everyone to be of one heart, in unison? Does one heart mean one mind? John 7:38 Acts 10:45, I think you will appreciate the irony on this one. Luke 2:36, Acts 21:9 What is the definition of ABIDE? In 1 John it is reminding us to sever ourselves from sin and unite those who follow the same pattern of worship through the Son of God. Does this mean, Catholics, protestant, Mormons, born again, are of one heart?
  11. Can you provide evidence on how you don't believe the Holy Spirit an embodiment of God's active force cannot be transmitted to humans as in the ancient times? I take it to mean, you believe the GB are self-serving like JWinsider seems to imply. How does this view defer from that of Raymond Franz that thought along the same lines? Please give a scriptural example of this new light you speak of. I will allow other JW's to respond to their doctoral understanding if they themselves understand the power of the Holy Spirit. it's time for my pain medication.
  12. I believe you stated to “witness” his understanding was utter nonsense, and then you agree with JWinsiders understanding of making scripture a hypothetical under his understanding. Are you playing to an audience of one man? Can you explain how the Governing Body only believe they receive God’s Holy Spirit without really getting the Holy spirit and pretend to use that as a justification to use scripture to see if there is a conflict or not to dispense spiritual food? Does this mean Jesus and God are fraud to have given the apostles greater power of healing and removing demons, and the entire Bible time is a hoax? Once again, If you receive the same Holy Spirit that the GB receive, why the contradictions. Everyone, receiving the same Holy Spirit would be on the same page as leaders. Does scripture support such a doctoral change just like with Raymond? Can you submit a Bible text that I may receive this new light? I understand JWisider will intervene in your behalf, so my question to explain is extended to him also.
  13. John Thanks for your last sentiment. I felt your sincerity. I’m feeling much better, however still dealing with a great deal of pain. Perhaps looking at Matthew 5:41 through the thought of others can give you a new perspective. I mentioned earlier you are a good egg. Meaning a person that honestly believes right is on his side. I, however, disagree with how you express your thoughts without giving it a proper discernment, using wisdom. Matthew 5:38-42 “The plain instruction is, Suffer any injury that can be borne, for the sake of peace, committing your concerns to the Lord's keeping. And the sum of all is, that Christians must avoid disputing and striving. If any say, Flesh and blood cannot pass by such an affront, let them remember, that flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God; and those who act upon right principles will have most peace and comfort.” Agreeing with people that share your views, when those views are obscured only help the God of this world, not in getting a better theological understanding of scripture. Manipulating The Watchtower literature as Raymond did, doesn’t help the cause in better understanding what the greater mission of the Watchtower is, learn the truth as the first century Christians did, obey God, Follow Christ instructions, teach, and make disciples throughout the world. When we inject Strife, scorn, and hatred? as revilers do, what Bible model are we projecting? Now you will disagree with my perspective, then use sound scriptural understanding for your disagreement, not personal thoughts, and insults. If you are allowed to use this kind of platform just like James has done for many years, then I don’t see why AllenSmith34 was removed for the same thing. Have a good day John. I won't reply just wait to read your written response. Remember pain is never a good thing, no matter the reason on hows its felt.
  14. If this idea of your is true, why are you not thinking as the governing body that receives the holy spirit ahead of time from others? It seems, if this was the case, all JW’s would be on the same page at the same time and NOT criticize the Watchtower for things that should be known to you. Can you explain your actions on how the Holy Spirit became a hypothetical proposition to you when God would use angles or peoples dreams to direct his people? Would this mean Jesus erred in Consulting God's scrolls versus man's oracles?
  15. In order to understand Romans 13:1 is by viewing it with God in mind. Scripture makes it clear that we should THINK like God, and not be so easy to conform ourselves by thinking like the God of this world. I believe it was Jesus that told Peter” get behind me, Satan” in Matthew. This was certainly NOT aforethought that Raymond commanded. His understanding of scripture, therefore, became as scripture states, conformity to the God of this world. The thing to learn from Raymond as a person that held a great responsibility not to lead God’s children away from Bible Truth is not to settle and be a conformist for the wrong reason. There is nothing positive in manipulating scripture to benefit one man. Apostate List: 1. Ron E. Frye 2. Zoe Knox 3. Andrew Holden 4. Lloyd Evans 5. Ron Rhodes 6. Barbara Anderson 7. Edmond Charles Gruss 8. Reed, David A 9. Kyria Abrahams 10. Schnell, William J 11. M. James Penton 12. Peter Gregerson 13. Raymond Franz 14. Beverley, James A 15. Włodzimierz Bednarski, Szymon Matusiak When Raymond and whoever held him as a revisionist erred in thinking that others aside from the 144,000 would help Jesus in Heaven as kings. That is a position Raymond held. I will invite anyone here to show just cause for that ideology. If just this one insistence is an erred proposition? Then what will the rest of this man’s work matter? That means people here are falling in the same pattern of thinking like the God of this world by being conformist. How can someone hold 1 John 3 in high regard by being a conformist? Is this food for thinking Christians to accept a man’s perspective of scripture? The Watchtower is guided by God’s Holy Spirit. Did Raymond submit to receiving God’s guidance or did he simply decide not to wait for God’s guidance and react to his own understanding as much as it’s being done here by some? Perhaps the quote of others will give a perspective in aid to understanding the Holy Scriptures “The grace of the gospel teaches us submission and quiet, where pride and the carnal mind only see causes for murmuring and discontent. Whatever the persons in authority over us themselves may be, yet the just power they have, must be submitted to and obeyed. In the general course of human affairs, rulers are not a terror to honest, quiet, and good subjects, but to evil-doers. Such is the power of sin and corruption, that many will be kept back from crimes only by the fear of punishment. Thou hast the benefit of the government, therefore do what thou canst to preserve it, and nothing to disturb it. This directs private persons to behave quietly and peaceably where God has set them, 1Ti 2:1, 1Ti 2:2. Christians must not use any trick or fraud. All smuggling, dealing in contraband goods, withholding or evading duties, is rebellion against the express command of God. Thus honest neighbours are robbed, who will have to pay the more; and the crimes of smugglers, and others who join with them, are abetted. It is painful that some professors of the gospel should countenance such dishonest practices. The lesson here taught it becomes all Christians to learn and practise, that the godly in the land will always be found the quiet and the peaceable in the land, whatever others are.”

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