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    Malum Intellectus reacted to AlanF in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Anna said:
    Yes, Ms. too-naive-for-her-own-good.
         
    Some are, some are not. Watchtower writers are past masters at manipulating the JW community with smooth words that are deliberately ambiguous, or say one thing but mean another. Again you're far too naive.
    At the time I had not been an active JW for at least 15 years. One loses the bad mental conditioning after awhile.
    He was quite good at deciphering the ambiguities of WTS instructions. He and his wife were very well respected, and entertained GB members. At the time he had been a JW for 60 years, so he knew what he was talking about.
    Oftentimes the Society designs its instructions with a subtly hidden message that astute JWs are supposed to pick up on.
    You forget the most important thing: since out of one side of its mouth the GB claims to admit that it is fallible, then its Bible interpretations are open to questioning. If a dissenting JW has figured out the truth of some Bible teaching, finds it at odds with Watchtower teaching, and lets it be known to others, then who is "causing division"? The one teaching the Bible, or the one teaching the commands of men? Remember that God is not directing these fallible men of the GB.
     
    They're right there in black and white. Go back and read what you posted from the Watchtower.
    Still missing the point. You're approaching Orwellian crimestop here.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Don't you see that scripture contradicts this ordinance made by men?  If the anointed were to "gather" as the elder body and helpers "gather", what do you think might happen?  Another point of view that would threaten the GB's teachings?  
    Wouldn't you say the helpers and GB gather "exclusively?"   And, if they can do it, why not God's anointed ones?  
    The point is the GB are afraid their leadership will be challenged by a united body of anointed ones.  So, they are not to BOND TOGETHER, as the 1/2016 WT stated.   The GB have separated from their Head, Christ, "puffed up" in their "fleshy minds" that they must have total control over the anointed.  Col 2:18,19
    No anointed one is to wield authority over another. 1 Cor 12 expresses that clearly.  You may just want to read it.    There is only one Master that the anointed are to answer to, Jesus Christ.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    "Elite club" comes from the sarcastic mouths of an "elite" leadership.  
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Anna, YOU are missing the point.  
     In addition, anointed Christians do not view themselves as being part of an elite club. They do not seek out others who claim to have the same calling, hoping to bond with them or endeavoring to form private groups for Bible study. (Gal. 1:15-17) Such efforts would cause divisions within the congregation and work against the holy spirit, which promotes peace and unity.   wt 1/2016, "We Want to Go With You"
    No bonding, no studying with other anointed ones.  This is oppression of a people.  This is men telling other people how to worship God, and these people are God's "special possession".  1 Pet 2:5,9  This is men acting as false "christs".  Matt 24:24  It is more important to uphold the unity of an earthly organization than to allow unity among spiritual "Israel".  
    The Body of Christ:
    Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.
    15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.
    21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.
    27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.  1 Cor 12:12-31
    Can an anointed one in the organization "suffer" , "rejoice", with another anointed if they can't seek them out?  The sad thing about this, is the majority of the anointed allow it to happen.  
     
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to AlanF in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Anna said:
    That's true of a surprising large fraction of seemingly righteous JWs.
         
    You just proved 4Jah2me's point. A long time ago a prominent elder explained to me that negative suggestions from the Society are not merely suggestions, but commands from God not to do something. That's what language like "they would be working against the holy spirit" means. Where have you been?
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to AlanF in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    You're asking questions impossible for JWs to answer without exposing the contradictions inherent in their worship of the Governing Body, i.e., their equating its words with God's words. They get to the heart of whether JW elders are actually appointed by holy spirit, or merely in the self-deceiving sense that the Pope is appointed by holy spirit.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    So wow, you found one person to fit your purpose, congratulations. 
    If ex JW's can prove how wrong the GB and JW Org are, then they are serving God's purpose to either clean up that Org or to get rid of it, so that God through Christ can use it or replace it with true worshippers. 
    If your GB tell Anointed brothers and sisters not to contact each other, then that is obviously wrong, as those brothers and sisters are of the same BODY OF CHRIST. 
    Did God use the Romans to destroy Jerusalem ? Or did God just remove His protection from Jerusalem ? 
    Is God using ex JW's or just allowing them to do HIS work ? 
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Mr Harley it  looks like you are laying a road not writing a comment and IMO it is to hide half of what you have actually written, because you know yourself it is complete tosh.  So you have made it difficult for anyone to comment on it by writing for five miles long. 
    However, quote . 
    ' It used to be announced from time to time that “so and so has been disfellowshipped.” For several years now—what is it? maybe 10? it is “so and so is no longer one of Jehovah’s Witnesses.”
    It gets the job done, and it avoids the problem of being attacked over the fact that “disfellowship” is not a word that appears in the Bible.. '
    Oh dear, how sad you are. Was it ever announced that 'so and so has left the JW's ?  Because the obvious reason for this 'newish' way of telling it, is purely to hide the FACT that many JW's are actually LEAVING the JW Org. The GB wishes to hide the numbers of those disassociating themselves from JW Org. 
    Add to this that may Victims of CSA  have said they were d'fed for either complaining to the Elders or to outside authorities. So now the GB can, through it's 'police dept' (elders), d'fed someone who has suffered CSA but does not have enough proof, but that still complains to the elders. The elders can still threaten d'fed action with or without  the new 'rule book'. 
    Quote " They think of “treat him as a tax collector and man of the nations,” that Jews had “no dealings” with. "
    Are but we are not Jews, we are NOT under Mosaic Law. JESUS would eat meals in the homes of Tax Collectors. Wasn't Matthew a Tax Collector ?  And the disciples / apostles went out to the people of the nations to gather them to God. 
    Quote " They think of “not even eating with such a man, "  BUT you have forgotten the whole scripture here. 
    New International Version
    But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
    So tell me o worshipper of the GB, what is the case if a person leaves the JW Org, and no longer calls himself / herself a brother or sister ? That scripture cannot applyote "
    Quote " it is indisputably the Bible that directs congregation members. It is the Bible that tells them what to do, "
    You are having a laugh Mr Harley. Congregants know who are pulling the strings, but congregants love being puppets. It means they do not have to think or have a conscience. If they go wrong they can blame the Org for it's misdirection. They, like you, worship the GB.
    Quote "The only “sin” that the “corporation” has committed is educating members as to what the Bible says on all aspects of life. "
    Oh if only it was the only sin. You are so blinkered. GB / Org sins include, CSA, disfellowshipping for false reasons,  Telling the Anointed not to contact each other,  pretending to be the F&DS, telling lies to congregants and to the world by false teachings, Telling lies in Courts and probably many more. 
    But i won't be so selfish as to take up as much space as you did My Harley............. 
     
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Yes or No?! How NO changing the fact that WT had been established according to secular laws and that JW is under same set or laws, established as working cells around the world? First in form of Name for purpose to be somehow different from other Christians and as separation from Russell influence. Later as legal entities that continue working under WT Society direction.   
    What 1 century Romans have with JW's known under that name today ? Jews and later Romans persecuted Jesus's Witnesses not Jehovah's Witnesses.  
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to AlanF in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    TrueTomHarley engages in his usual gross, transparent hypocrisy. Having posted a very long 'article' to which I responded in part, he said:
    This is not only gross hypocrisy, but a fine example of Orwellian doublethink.
    Below are a couple of excerpts from an article I wrote around 1992: "Thinking Ability and the Watchtower Society": https://critiquesonthewatchtower.org/old-articles/2006/02/thinking-ability-and-watchtower.html
    First excerpt::
    https://critiquesonthewatchtower.org/old-articles/2006/02/thinking-ability-and-watchtower.html#geo
    <<
    George Orwell's View
    An excellent description of the tyranny of authority carried to an extreme, and of the mental gyrations required of its subjects, was given by George Orwell in his 1949 novel Nineteen Eighty-Four (Remember "Big Brother is watching you"?). He described a totalitarian society called Ingsoc (from 'English Socialism') in which a supreme state had imposed a kind of theocracy on the populace -- in effect, had created a "Kingdom of Heaven on earth." The novel was intended as a serious warning about what could happen if certain totalitarian trends that Orwell saw developing during and shortly after World War II were allowed free rein. The supreme group at the head of the state was the Party. In order to insure that everyone thought along Party lines, the Party carefully altered facts to suit its present situation, and rigorously trained people to go along with it. Orwell wrote:
        Whatever the Party holds to be truth is truth. [Part 3, Ch. II; p. 252 hardcover; p. 205 paperback]
    In order to ensure that whatever the Party held to be truth was rigorously followed, a thought process called doublethink was enforced. Doublethink, as Orwell conceives it in Nineteen Eighty-Four, "is a vast system of mental cheating":
        Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. The Party intellectual knows in which direction his memories must be altered; he therefore knows that he is playing tricks with reality; but by the exercise of doublethink he also satisfies himself that reality is not violated. The process has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt. Doublethink lies at the very heart of Ingsoc, since the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty. To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies -- all this is indispensably necessary. [Part 2, Ch. IX; p. 215-6 hardcover; p. 176-7 paperback]
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    Second excerpt:
    https://critiquesonthewatchtower.org/old-articles/2006/02/thinking-ability-and-watchtower.html#geo
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    In practice, whenever clear errors in organizational teachings or policies are pointed out to Witnesses, they will either refuse to acknowledge them or deny their importance. They deny it even to themselves, to avoid an intolerable internal conflict between what they know deep down to be the truth and what they have been taught. The denial is automatic and almost unconscious, because they have been trained this way from their earliest experience with the Watchtower Society. The process is strongly reminiscent of another kind of mental gymnastic George Orwell described in Nineteen Eighty-Four:
        A Party member is required to have not only the right opinions, but the right instincts. Many of the beliefs and attitudes demanded of him are never plainly stated, and could not be stated without laying bare the contradictions inherent in Ingsoc. If he is a person naturally orthodox (in Newspeak a goodthinker), he will in all circumstances know, without taking thought, what is the true belief or the desirable emotion. But in any case an elaborate mental training, undergone in childhood and grouping itself round the Newspeak words crimestop, blackwhite, and doublethink, makes him unwilling and unable to think too deeply on any subject whatever.
        .... The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity. But stupidity is not enough. On the contrary, orthodoxy in the full sense demands a control over one's own mental processes as complete as that of a contortionist over his body. [Part 2, Ch. IX; pp. 212-13 hardcover; pp. 174-5 paperback]
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    Naturally, TrueTomHarley and a few others, applying doublethink and crimestop, will pretend not to understand this material.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Vic Vomidog in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Ha Ha Ha! You just say that because you are stupid and afraid of Alan.
    He is killing you with his arguments!
    Only, @AlanF, it troubles me that you think I am TTH. I know that you cannot be misled, but maybe you are just a little bit here. 
    Don’t be thrown off that both he and I have said “pompous pillar of pettiness.” It is a common phrase that anyone might use.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to AlanF in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Srecko Sostar said:
    That's right, and is according to standard English word usage. "Jehovah's Witnesses" is a proper noun, a name. "Jehovah's witnesses" is a generic group claiming to be witnesses for Jehovah, which of course, any group can do.
    Exactly!
    This is completely lost on braindead JWs who think they're serving Jehovah rather than the Watchtower Society.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to TrueTomHarley in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Even the Sermon on the Mount would be discarded if it ran 1000 pages. I can’t read that crap. Learn to write concisely like everyone else and I might answer.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to AlanF in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Wow! TrueTomHarley, aka Vic Vomidog, here quotes himself several times, after mistakenly taking me to task for quoting myself. Of course, he had simply misread my post.
    A process like that has been going on a lot longer. Until some time in the 1960s DF'ings were announced with something like "so and so has been disfellowshipped for fornication". At some point, I don't remember exactly when, that was changed to "for conduct unbecoming a Christian". At least one lawsuit was brought for libel or whatever, resulting in simply "has been disfellowshipped", to avoid liability for defamation.
    But that's exactly what it is. Such conduct is precisely what pegs the JWs as a "high control group". I.e., a cult.
    It is rarely necessary. It is also more than a bit arbitrary. I've seen cases where one judicial committee decided to disfellowship, and upon appeal another reversed it. Occasionally the Society itself is called in to resolve the matter.
    In theory, yes. In practice, it's often simply a punishment visited upon someone by corrupt elders, or even corrupt Watchtower officials.
    The "well-being of the congregation" is entirely subjective. Many JWs have quit and disappeared into the woodwork, only to find years later that some corrupt elder from his old congregation--even a decade later--has tracked him down and initiated DF'ing action. Something like this happened with my wife, so don't tell it doesn't happen.
    It can't. But the Society is completely hypocritical about this. It has a specific policy that if someone quietly becomes inactive, elders should leave him alone. This is usually the case, but not always. There is always the chance that corrupt elders will actively pursue the person and try to DF him. Such a person has no chance that an appeal will reverse the DF'ing. And often his relationship with still-JW relatives is permanently ruined.
    To be consistent, the Society would have to have a policy where someone simply leaving the cult would be officially designated as "no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses" and shunned accordingly. But that is even more cultish than the present policy is, and the Society knows it. A policy of "you cannot leave without dire consequences" would result in massive lawsuits, being a Mafiaesque policy.
    Those scriptures are grossly misapplied. 1 Corinthians 5:11 has Paul telling people to avoid mixing in company with "anyone called a brother" who violates certain moral standards. But if someone leaves the cult and fails to do the various normal JW activities, JWs no longer view him as a brother, and so, following the Bible's words, such a person should logically no longer be subject to congregational ostracism.
    Nonsense. It is the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, through its various subsidiary corporations, that directs congregation members. If this Society changed its corporate policies on DF'ing and all manner of other things, all congregations would follow--on pain of DF'ing for "ignoring Lordship" or something like that.
    Ah, a better statement of "the Watchtower Society's words are the same as God's words" can hardly be found. As the May 1, 1957 Watchtower said (p.274):
    << If we are to walk in the light of truth we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother. >>
    That's all pretense. Every JW knows, on some level, that even if he can demonstrate from the Bible that some Watchtower teaching or policy is unscriptural, he must follow the Watchtower Society, on pain of disfellowshipping. The Society's direct violation of Jesus' commands in Luke 21:7-8 proves it.
    As I told a Watchtower official 20 years ago, if the Society cleaned up its act with regard to three things--blood, child abuse and disfellowshippiing--almost all opposition would dry up. There's virtually no chance of that, and opposition will continue.
    That would be a good thing, especially in view of the Society's policy of encouraging very young people to join the JW cult. A young person baptized at 10 years of age should not be held to adult standards of conduct, nor be disfellowshipped--not for any reason. Such a young person had no real understanding, on an adult level, of what baptism means--an explicit and apparently legally binding joining of the JW cult.
    Totally and self-servingly wrong. The gross brainwashing characteristic of JWs means that they only think they're obeying God rather than men. But the fact that when the Watchtower Society tells them to believe something the opposite of what they had believed, or to act in an opposite manner, proves that it is the Society, not the Bible, that controls their minds.
    Yes, we're having coffee together.
    Some do, some do. So what?
    [ Irrelevant ramblings deleted ]
    My experience was quite the opposite. By age 24, in 1975, I was not the least interested in being a "servant" of any kind. Nevertheless, I was appointed as a Ministerial Servant. How? One Thursday evening, during the Service Meeting, and without ever having told me, the Presiding Overseer announced, "Alan has been appointed ..." I was quite angry but held my peace, and began duties as the Accounts Servant. I swallowed my resentment.
    But I was painfully aware that, contrary to Watchtower teaching, I had NOT been appointed by holy spirit. In fact, it was that breach of my free will that helped me understand the Society's deception on "appointment by holy spirit". I saw plenty of exceptions to that rule.
    So as usual, TTH/Vic, you don't know what you're talking about. You're much like what God did in the Bible story of "Balaam's Ass".
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Srecko Sostar in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Recently, @JW Insider drew my attention to different meaning about wording: Jehovah's Witnesses and Jehovah's  witnesses.  First one is using only for religious movement, religion, specific group of people or legal entity (started in 1931). The second description is about every individual who accept JHVH, worship and obey him or have some role in JHVH plan, purpose.
    In that way, i would say how some person, member of JW organization, can be dfd from Organization and as such is not considered anymore as one of Jehovah's Witnesses (the legal entity under WT Society supervision). BUT that not automatically disqualified him as individual who can continue to be Jehovah's witness according to Isaiah or any other Bible verses where is described how acting person who living according to JHVH will and Jesus' teachings. (specifically here is about doctrinal differences)
    To living according to JHVH will and Jesus' teachings, NOT NECESSARY  mean how person HAVE to be inside particular Legal Entity, in this case, WT Society, CCJW or any other of Watchtower sister' companies !! 
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to AlanF in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Arauna completely missed the boat again:
    Arauna had claimed that mutations in humans over a long period of time would have resulted in their extinction by now. Therefore humans must have existed for a short time, presumably the 6,000 years allowed by the Watchtower Society. I gave the above comment as part of a proof that her reasoning was unsound.
    Rather than dealing with my entire disproof, Arauna sidestepped all of it with the irrelevancies below, most of which I've chopped out since they have nothing to do with our discussion.
    So once again, Arauna, if your reasoning is correct--that humans that originated 4-6 million years ago would have gone extinct by now due to excessive accumulation of mutations--how do you explain the fact that the cat sub-family that has existed for some 5 million years still exists?
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    The GB have done a fine job of spreading lying doctrines. They are the ones who have created a class system. In fact your magazines have called the anointed a “class”.  Check out their illustrations of the “144,000” ruling from literal thrones in heaven and all appearing identical as white men with white beards. That better fits your description of anointed bunched together in one place.     Just as Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was resurrected, he and the faithful Bride/anointed will walk the earth with God’s children.  They are the “new creation”, of which we talked about in the past, Arauna.  2 Cor 5:17   Priests were to teach the people, and God’s priests will continue to teach what they learn in “heaven”, and aiding Christ on earth. They are the “dwelling” of the Spirit of God, and part of the Temple of God. (1Cor 3:16,17)  Their presence on earth with Christ will bring God’s Spirit to His children.  Mal 2:7; Rev 21:1-2; 22:17
    Gen 28:12 Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.
    John 1:51 - And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.”
    Acts 1:11 - “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”
    Heb 1:6 - But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
    Jesus’ sealed Bride/priests are “angels”.  Angel means “messenger”.
    Mal 2:7 - “For the lips of a priest should keep knowledge,
    And people should seek the law from his mouth;
    For he is the messenger of the Lord of hosts.
     
    There are also topics on this forum about anointed women teaching.  I must say, you do a pretty good job “teaching” everyone here about how prophesy will be fulfilled. Don’t you “teach” your Bible students?  The only difference I see of women teaching in the kingdom hall is the amount of people they are looking at when they do so.  It’s absolutely bogus.
    Romans 16:1 - I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a servant of the church in Cenchrea, 2 that you may receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and assist her in whatever business she has need of you; for indeed she has been a helper of many and of myself also.
    This Greek word for “servant” means…
    διάκονος diákonos, dee-ak'-on-os; probably from an obsolete διάκω diákō (to run on errands; compare G1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon or deaconess):—deacon, minister, servant.
    Do prophets in the Body, “teach”?  In order to reveal God’s message, they must teach.   
    1 Cor 12:8 - And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues.
    The apostles, prophets and teachers were ALL TEACHERS!
    Acts 21:7-9 - And when we had finished our voyage from Tyre, we came to Ptolemais, greeted the brethren, and stayed with them one day. 8 On the next day we who were Paul’s companions departed and came to Caesarea, and entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. 9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied. 
    There is humility, and then there is cowardliness. Jesus was humble, but he wasn’t a coward when speaking to the Pharisees.  Every anointed one under Christ must acknowledge their Head, Christ. They must only answer to him.  If not, they have lost “salt” in themselves. They no longer shine their “light”. Matt 5:13-16   God’s people in the last days, are “trampled” down by a Beast/organization guided by a composite “false prophet”. Rev chapter 13
    Rev 13:5-7 - And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
    The elder body/GB has spoken "blasphemies" about God's sanctuary/Temple/anointed.  To tell those who are the dwelling of God's Holy Spirit that they must not bond together, is tyranny and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.  
    2 Thess 2:3,4 - Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
     If the anointed in the organization do not have the courage to stand up against false doctrine and a false priesthood that has been given false authority to JUDGE them, they are in peril of losing their place in the Body. 
    This is prophesy concerning the remnant, that is being fulfilled.  For those who understand what is taking place with God's anointed “living stones”, (1 Pet 2:5,9; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3) they are to FLEE. Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:9-12
     
    The Disgusting Thing Standing in the Holy Place - https://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Quote "Their time for ruling and being together  is not now  " 
    Says who ? (  @Arauna we can all play your silly game) 
    Your GB are ruling right now, 8 mainly American men, with American thoughts and personalities. 
    Whereas God through Christ has anointed people from ALL the Earth. 
    But your GB domineer them. Will God and Christ allow that to continue ? I think not. 
    Why anoint them if they are not allowed to make full use of it ?  Why not just chose faithful people from amongst the dead. 
    Can you imagine the disciples receiving Holy Spirit then being told to go home and keep quiet about it. Being told not to teach others. Being told not to gather together. 
     
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Arauna in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Says who? 
    The ones who are now spearheading the organization are training others all the time - elders, servants etc.  Their time for ruling and being together  is not now ... but in future.... then they will all be together under christ and their administration will bring mankind back to the original purpose of God.  The promises of being together under christ lies in future. 
    The original congregations were mostly anointed but the great crowd now makes up the largest part of the congregations.... and the obligation to meet together and encourage each other is as much the great crowd's obligation as the anointed.
    So we must read in it hidden messages?   Sounds more like mysticism to me...... or evolution.  Seeing something where it does not exist. 
    You expect answers when you have no intention or capability to answer my challenges.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to TrueTomHarley in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Many manuscripts have been discovered in the desert where, after thousands of years, they are still perfectly preserved. Reflecting upon this, I decided to go down to the desert myself and give it a shot. Sure enough, after a bit of poking I found a manuscript. 
    I brushed off the sand, flicked away the gecko turds, and sent it off to the scholars at the Whitepebble Biblical Research Institute. They went gaga over it. The manuscript sheds new light on events long thought to be beyond dispute, and most scholars find it a tough sell. Nonetheless, they are hard-up there for manuscripts at the moment, and the obnoxicus superiorticus is now housed in the AlanF wing of that venerable institution, where the foundation has been jacked up to accommodate the extra weight:
    And at about the sixth hour, he looked down upon his tormentors and said, “You people are so stupid! It amazes me that your tiny brains can generate the power to move your feet. I’m bored with you pitiful attempts to cause me pain. The hypocrisy and doublethink on display are just breathtaking!” And many other things like these he said.
    At about the ninth hour, soldiers approached to break his legs in order to hasten death. They did so. He said to them: “As I predicted, no reasonable answer here. As usual you've ignored at least 90% of my arguments and comments. I ask again: What are the names of the scriptural accounts you've read? Lack of an answer will tell me either that you don't read such, or you're embarrassed to name them. You have once again punted on most everything with which I challenged. Such transparent hypocrites! You demand an answer from me that, with a little online research, you can find the answer to yourself. Yet you refuse to answer my unique challenges and questions to you. You are a bunch of liars. I posed my challenge to disprove my logic that the one that is to come you posted your Intelligent Jewish claptrap. I posed my challenge this past Tuesday, but you posted your silly question only yesterday. You yourself are quite selective in your worship of Mommy Torah. Obviously you can't answer any of my challenges. You're dishonest to the core and too incompetent to say anything about science. Since you're too lazy to do your own research, I've done some for you. For example.....”
    At about the 20th hour, one of the centurions said to his companion, “Oh, for crying out loud!”
    Unfortunately, the complete text of the remarks runs quite long, and I had to leave some of the manuscript there in the desert because I couldn’t afford the freight. Possibly on another expedition I will fetch it, or ask @Arauna, who knows the African desert like the back of her hand, to fetch it for me.
     
     
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to AlanF in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Obviously you can't answer any of my challenges. You're dishonest to the core and too incompetent to say anything about science.
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    A couple of points here :-
    1. In times past the whole of the anointed here on earth were classed as the F&DS 
    Then the GB in their selfish 'wisdom' decided that ONLY THEY are the F&DS.
    So who is exalting themselves above others here? Who is separating themselves from the Body of Christ ?  Who are the ones that are trying to domineer ?  
    2. For the Anointed to contact each other does not mean literally gathering in one place. Or do you live so much in the past.  We have internet, we have mobile / cell phones. Even prior to this we had fax machines and landline phones. So using the excuse that the Anointed would have to gather in one place is rather pathetic. 
    I do honestly hope that members of the Anointed DO CONTACT EACH OTHER.  Those of the Anointed will have more spirituality and guidance from God. Otherwise why would God even have an Anointed here on Earth. God could just as easily use Christ to chose a person after they have died, and then resurrect them in the spirit. Why would God anoint someone and then tell them (through the GB) to be inactive as an Anointed ? 
    Of course you GB worshippers don't like the scripture of 'Ten men clinging to the skirt of a Jew' because you know the Jew represents the whole of the Anointed. 
    The Org needs Anointed people from around the Earth, to be the leaders of the Organisation. They need not be permanently in one location together. Internet is quite fast you know . But the GB would lose their power to dominate 8.5 million people, and to also dominate and lie to another possible 8 million so called Bible studies.   
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Arauna in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    Always dramatic, over the top sweeping statements - no rationality here!
    Berlinsky is seen as essential reading for any philosopher or debater on evolution. Not only is he a mathematician and philosopher but did a post-doctoral on molecular biology. 
    He himself says that evolutionists evade the most important questions and only answer that which is convenient to them.... i agree, there are too many unanswered questions in evolution but evolutionary fanatics refuse to even look at them.
    When I say to you that ALL nerves are connected in the body I talk from personal experience.  My daughter had neuroblastoma  - a nerve cancer.  The growth was removed from the main nerve on the right hand side of the chest at almost 9 months of life.... it was in one area......but affected "everything  " on the right hand side of her body....from head to toe.  The smallest nerves in her hands and feet (extremities) were not functioning to allow normal growth as on the left side.  She is a beautiful girl but on closer inspection one will find that everything is smaller on the right side.   I do not need to get technical on this one because my own observation has taught me the truth about the connectedness of ALL nerves.
    Regarding all your other arguments - life could not exist if the cell does not have a membrane........... particles may have collided and after hitting the jackpot millions of times maybe formed some unstructured strings of material....... but how did they end up being in a "container"  to keep them together so that the intricate structures and separate DNA of the mitochondria could develop .... and what about the cooperating structures within the cell which act like factories for the replacement of protein and the removal  of garbage........ life is much more conneted and complex than evolutionists wish to give attention to..... 
    I leave it at this, because the questions of understanding the future, morality, speech, and other wonders (which only humans posess and can appreciate and no animals have) are also questions to consider apart from the obvious biological aspects and the cosmos.  The only thing Darwins theory did explain was the minute adaptions which could bring about larger beaks etc....but nothing to explain a change in species..  
    If you have an honest bone in your body you will re-evaluate your fanatic  persuasion.  New evidence on the shortness if the time period for the Cambrian explosion of only 10 million years..... and the explosion of the different kinds of mammals in this short time without any previous animals of this kind..... boggles the mind.
    The spirit of God can only flourish where there is truth and an honest search for the truth. This is also true of any JW - if they stop acknowledging or practicing the truth they may start to dominate others like King Solomon did at the end of his life.   Each person is responsible to evaluate themselves constantly..... to tell if they are hypocritical or truthful about themselves and their practices.
     
     
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    Malum Intellectus reacted to Witness in All Eight Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses members are now individually named on two New York Child Victims Act case documents   
    The organization is the arrangement by men, not by God.  Until around a hundred years ago, how do you believe the anointed ones gathered and encouraged one another? Matt 18:20  Through some sort of organization? John 4:21-24 The WT calls the Beast of Rev 13:1 an “organization”.  Notice:
    Rev 20:4 - And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
    This “thousand years” began in the first century, before the Beast of Revelation 13:1 ever came on the scene.  Ps 110:1-3; 2:2,3,9; 2:26,27
    Any who “reign with Christ” are anointed ones.   
    Yet, this beast spoken of in Rev 20 is also found blaspheming the sanctuary/Temple/saints of God and “killing” them for not “worshiping” its spirit-directed image.The Wt recognizes the presence of the two Beasts of Revelation in the last days. 
    Rev 13:5-7 -  And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
    These set of scriptures are speaking of two different time periods, one before the beast/organization came into existence, and then its effect on the anointed saints once established.  Those before its existence were not part of an earthly organization that required one’s devotion and identity. They lost their lives by giving “witness” to Christ and truth.   Those “saints” whom the Beast are at war with in Rev 13:5-7 are overcome by it. They are the anointed remnant of the last days.   If they refused to identify themselves (reject its mark) with the beast/organization, or give devotion through servitude and dedication to it, the false prophet (Rev 13:11) directs the “organization” to “kill” them. 
    This Beast/organization has an image as “spirit-directed”.
    Rev 13:11 – “Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.”
    False prophets are utilized by Satan to spread his lies. 2 Cor 11:11-15 This Beast/false prophet directs the Beast/organization.
    Rev 13:15-17 - He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    Under this false prophet’s rule, no one is to “buy or sell” any teachings other than what the false prophet teaches.  Anthony Morris explicitly stated in a video that obedience to “decrees” that come from the organization are to be obeyed; because they apparently, magically, in an uninspired way, come from God. 
    How do you think anointed ones are disfellowshipped?  Those with the courage to stand for truth will reject not only the “mark of the beast”/organization, but also its false teachings. 
    The presumed steward ruling over the spiritual house of God (the anointed ones Eph 2:20-22) in the organization is wicked. (Luke 12:45,46) No dissension, no break in the operation of perceived “unity” is tolerated.  To reveal the false authority of the elder body over God’s Temple members as Pearl has done, results in “killing” by the beast/organization. 
    Rev 11:1-3,7 -  Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.
    When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 
    Yet, each anointed one, and also their companions, who are disfellowshipped for upholding Christ’s teachings by rejecting falsehoods and rule of a “man of lawlessness”/elder body lording it over his anointed priest/Temple…are the true victors.
    Rev 15:2 - And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God.
    The faithful anointed of Rev 20 were never exposed to the Beast in order to gain victory over it.  Only the final remnant are submitted to this final test that Satan has devised.  2 Thess 2:3,4,9,10
    Rev 20:7-9 - Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city.
    Armageddon is a war between “kings of the earth”, those Christ has authority over, not governmental leaders.  Rev 1:5; 5:9,10   It is a war of spoken truth coming out of the mouth of Christ’s faithful ones,  against spoken lies coming out of the mouth of Satan’s “ministers”.
    Rev 16:13,14 - 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
     You and all JWs, anointed and not anointed, are “gathered” under an “umbrella organization” and fed by a leadership that has a track record of falsehoods that rivals that of many other religious organizations.  Yet, since it is “Jehovah’s organization”, all of you believe,
    “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”  Rev 13:4
     
     
     
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