JOHN BUTLER

@TrueTomHarley Wow I can comment on this one but not the one i wanted to comment on. Is it possible to be blocked from commenting on a topic ? Hi Tom I see you are still mentioning me in comments though Â

@Space Merchant @Space Merchant @Space Merchant don't know why your name has appeared 3 times or if it will disappear. However what I'm finding at the moment is that i cannot comment on the main thread I was commenting on. Maybe it's good that i can't comment as @TrueTomHarley is sounding off again. Still adding my name to it I see. Poor man just cannot resist it......... I can see the wood from the trees Tom and can see the need for JW Org to be investigated in every country of this Earth. I say Earth as they say they are no part of the 'world'. However they soon use the worldly legal systems to do their dirty work.

Has this programme gone or is it this Saturday 24th March 2018 ? Can i view it in the UK ? I've been looking online and can't find anything about this programme. It's Canadian TV and I don't know if i can watch it here in England. Would love to see it even if it's a later recording of it.

@Noble Berean Wow a breath of sense in this crazy conversation. Have a nice day. Report post Posted 3 hours ago Saving face or the trauma of an investigation is really no excuse not to report. It's not just about punishment. By identifying sexual predators, law enforcement can remove the offender from society or monitor his whereabouts. If a child molester isn't reported to police, he can go and do the same evil to another innocent child. In fact, evading punishment can embolden a sexual predator. It's disturbing that predators were able to hop from congregation to congregation leaving a trail of abuse. JWs look to the elders for direction--we know many JWs that await their permission for the most mundane things. But their example shows a resistance to reporting abuse unless the legal system forces their hand. So what does that communicate to these ones? Don't get the police involved. That's read between the lines. Why resist the authorities that have the means to uncover evidence of wrongdoing? The elders cannot get a warrant to search a person's property--their investigations are reliant on willing testimony. Even with evidence, they can't make an arrest. It seems odd to resist a resource that could potentially expose a predator and keep the congregation clean. Thank you so much Noble Berean, I've been saying similar for a long time but no one listens.....

Enough, this isn't about winning battles is it. People trying to show how 'intelligent' they are, or how knowledgeable they are. It will do me more harm than good trying to converse with you all. You all have your point of view and I have mine. My concerns are not what 'men' think of JW Org, but what God thinks of it. I was hoping things would move forward more quickly but it seems I must have patience. In probably 3 more months things will become more plain for everyone to see. And by the end of the year hopefully God will have sorted the Org out, if indeed He intend to use it at all. When i joined the Org i had just been 'released' from a Children's Home where i had suffered sexual, physical and emotional abuse. As a complete contrast the congregation I joined was so full of peace and what i thought was love. That is why i accepted it so easily. I was naive and looking for security in a wicked world... Now having grown up and with a wider outlook I want to ask as many questions as fill my mind. And having spent time doing my own research I've found many things that I'm not happy with. So i will continue to pray to God daily, and to continue to search and research. And of course to continue to read God's word. I really would like to give warning of the massive storm i see coming and the danger it may cause to brothers and sisters, but no one will talk to me, so there is nothing i can do. i do ask my wife to warn others that danger may be close by, but she refuses to do so. So I'm quite helpless in the matter. If violence happens because of the knowledge that people gain then so be it. I could not talk of it when i was a brother, and now no one will listen. I will probably stay 'on the outside' for the rest of this year. Things will happen for the Org, and things will happen for me. i left in January, I'll see what i know and feel next January.

@TrueTomHarley Matthew 16 v 22 & 23.  At this Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying: “Be kind to yourself, Lord; you will not have this happen to you at all.”v 23  But turning his back, he said to Peter: “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me, because you think, not GodÂ’s thoughts, but those of men.” What was Jesus calling Peter here ? Anyone can be a servant of the devil even if they have the right intentions as it seemed Peter did here. The devil will use anyone or anything for his purpose. So don't take it so personally. Nice that you think I'm on the verge of a breakdown though  ... Um, I think, ( though i don't know where to find the information right now ), that the Governing Body have said, that some of the people that say they are anointed are possibly suffering from mental health issues. You see, you do have things in common with them. If you disagree with someone, you make it look as if the one you disagree with is unstable, copying the GB and also the Elders in some cases... Are you an Elder ? And yes I've cooled down as you put it. I've had lunch , taken my son to his work, been shopping for food and taken one of my vehicles to the garage for it's MOT test. (That is the UK law for older vehicles to have a safety test every year). You see, I'm quite a normal family man. And Tom, I'm not even asking you to like me. I certainly don't expect you to 'coo love back to me'. I'm enjoying the difference of opinion we have, but still i mean you no harm. I've so often said, let's be practical not emotional.... And James, I find you so funny. I have no idea where you are coming from. I don't understand your comments as in I don't know what you are trying to convey to us. I've just found this so thought i would add it here :- Â

@TrueTomHarley Well I know what i know from my experience in the Org. SM seems to have no idea, because he generalises about all religions and even compares it to the 'rest of the world'. You though, you have knowledge of the JW Org , so you can admit or deny my claims concerning the Org. SM wanted an example of the GB changing meaning of scripture, but you Tom will know of some I'm sure. 1. the meaning of the scripture. 'This generation will not pass away' .. 2. the meaning of the scripture concerning 'the Superior Authorities'. That is just two from memory. Now, will you admit that some Elders are so upset with the Org that they are actually going against the Org and they are putting documents / letters up online for the public to read. I would compare this to the people of the Nation of Israel who were born Jews, but they chose to turn against the Jewish way of life and become Christians. They did not forsake God did they ? They allowed their God given conscience to guide them in the right direction. So it is for me, I haven't forsaken God or Jesus Christ, but in this day and age it's difficult to know the right direction. Now coming back to, what i know I know. Before I left the Org, I have been in a brother's house talking about things and he has said to me, 'This is between you and me. Don't tell the elders'. Brothers and sisters are honestly frightened of the Elders. Bros and sis are frightened of being disfellowshipped because it is their whole life, their only friends, it's all they have in life. And when a person gets disfellowshipped they are left with nothing. i think that is disgusting. That people should be so frightened of men, because of the 'power' those men hold over people. But you Tom seem to love it. And I think you know what I'm saying about the 'so and so is no longer a Jehovah's Witness' thing. it is a way of telling the whole congregation not to talk to that one. Whereas the Bible gives examples / reasons for the ones that should be avoided. By not saying a person 'left the Org of their own choice' , or 'was disfellowshipped', the GB are deliberately telling the congregation not to talk to anyone that has left the Organisation. However, I don't think that is what the scripture means. Hence i say misuse of scripture. Anyway the sun is shining here and i will go into our garden and give thanks to God for His creation. I hope you all have a pleasant day. i wish you no harm. As i keep saying, we are all individuals and all have our own opinions. So be it. Only time will tell right from wrong.

@Space Merchant People outside the faith know only because victims have now made it known, and hence the investigations Earthwide. But the names of the pedophiles and their locations are not known, not even to the brothers and sisters that have children in the congregations. Hence i say prdophiles are being protected and hidden. And brothers and sisters that serve the Org do not look into these things, so they do not know. Nor do they know of the danger they may face on the ministry or at the hall, because the Elders do not make any of this known. If i had spoken about it in the Kingdom Hall when I was a brother, I would have been disfellowshipped for 'causing a division in the congregation'... This is how they keep things quiet, because brothers and sisters are frightened to talk about anything... You have to be there in person to fully understand how frightened the congregation members are of the Elders. There are so many things that you just cannot talk about. And the meetings are fully controlled. the Watchtower Study is controlled, so that brothers and sisters only answer the question put in the paragraphs. And no one is allowed to ask question, it's just parrot fashion, read a paragraph then give correct answers. Then move on, next paragraph.... Jesus himself was very blunt and to the point when he noted those that were trying to twist things and use lies and false ideas. Sometimes there is no other way, you just have to tell someone that you can see 'where they are coming from'. JW's Governing Body make up the rules and change them when it suits, by misusing scriptures. Elders in turn act like robotic servants of the Governing Body. There is no love shown, no empathy. This has been made so clear by the victims of Child Abuse Earthwide and by people that have been shunned for no good reason. And now i fall into the latter catagory. Shunned by brothers and sisters, probably because they think i was disfellowshipped, as they don't tell people when they say ' John Butler is no longer one of Jehovah's Witnesses'. Members of the congregation have no idea if i was disfellowshipped or if I left of my own choice. Though i am very disappointed by those i told prior to leaving, that they too should shun me. But once again fear of man, fear of the elders, fear of 'getting into trouble' if they talk to me.. It's very sad. Doing anything on the Sabbath was wrong according to the Mosaic Law and punishable, but Jesus said there were times when doing good would override that Law. But the JW Governing Body do not seem to recognise the principle behind that, hence they show no mercy or love.

@TrueTomHarley I'll go further and repeat, i think you are a servant of the devil. Protecting pedophiles within the JW org. Hating anyone that dares to question the GB. Twisting every comment made by genuine people on here. Good bye Tom.

Is @JOHN BUTLER one of those so misled?  I was extending an olive branch. Really. You have a funny way of doing it. Very slyly suggesting that I'm 'misled'. Reminds me of the Serpent talking to E ve "So it said to the woman: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” " It stood out a mile in my eyes, but i did think it was kind of funny. However I'm also thinking that you and SM are being used very well by the devil on here , so i will not bother with you any more... I will look at other topics here and hope you are not on them.  I've told you before, I'm only interested in the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, and, the Watchtower Society. Why ? Because I was part of them and would be again if they get 'sorted out' by God through Jesus Christ..So you and SM carry on your stupid percentage thing and comparison thing, which only serves the devil's purposes. There are reports from an ex-elder (in Wales i believe) that saw a letter to the Elders, telling them to destroy documents concerning Child Abuse. A. I don't know why he is an ex-elder. B. I don't know if its true or not. But it could well be true if what I've mentioned above and what SM has said about 'spiritual warfare' / telling lies / destroying evidence. I suppose you will go on believing that the GB are the 'faithful slave' and i will go on believing that they are not. i am disappointed in brothers in my ex-congregation for not keeping contact with me. But that just shows how frightened the brothers are of being shunned or disfellowshipped themselves. Dictatorship by the GB and the Elders. Frightened brothers and sisters. Wow how to run an organisation of love and service to God.... I don't think so. As for sticking completely to scripture. I'll leave you with this. Jesus said at Matthew 12 v9 onward.  After departing from that place, he went into their synagogue, 10  and look! there was a man with a withered hand! So they asked him, “Is it lawful to cure on the Sabbath?” so that they might accuse him.11  He said to them: “If you have one sheep and that sheep falls into a pit on the Sabbath, is there a man among you who will not grab hold of it and lift it out?m12  How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! So it is lawful to do a fine thing on the Sabbath.” There are times when it is right to break the rules.Â

@TrueTomHarley A couple of points just to start with Tom. Firstly I've noticed that you cannot make a comment without adding my name to it in a twisted way. Secondly, you 'saw it all unfold' so I presume you knew all about the Child Abuse many years ago, which brings me to the point I've mentioned above about the GB being worried about it in 1997. So have you know n for 20 years Tom ? and done nothing about it... As for the way you've treated me. Do you really think it bothers me ? I'll tell you, I do not care if people on here hate me or love me. I am making things known. Just like someone in the ministry. And some will believe and others will scoff. Once again you misquote, I 'suggested' the GB are disfellowshipped for the sake of the JW Org. And what have they done wrong, you asked. Well I've noted at least one thing in my above comment. And it seems that the GB form 1957 have said it's OK for them to tell lies or misplace the truth. And first of all you have no idea how many people 'they have saved'. For one reason, the Elders decide what is important enough to carry forward and what isn't. So it is possible that many accusations have been 'lost' / hidden, deliberately destroyed. We will never know. That is one reason it's impossible to compare the Org with any other. Because you only have the GB's word as to the true quantity. This is where we will differ of course. You think they are the 'faithful and discreet slave', I think they have proved themselves no to be so. And you go back to your comparisons again, and i tell you that God is not impressed with any comparisons. Are you then trying to impress people? But surely it is more important to serve God. I will repeat for those that missed it before. GOD WANTS A CLEAN ORGANISATION. HE DOES NOT WANT ONE THAT IS ONLY SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN THE WORLD. Oh you do love your stupid percentage thing. It's so funny. Nearly every paragraph you use it. Back to my example then, if you want to keep repeating yourself then why shouldn't I. The Nation of Israel went astray and started killing its own children. This is the truth. It burnt the children in the fire as offerings to false gods. So when God questioned them, did they say, "But God we didn't kill and burn as many children as the other nations did. We had a much lower percentage ". Now you see how stupid your percentages are. They have no relevance. And now i note that you are slyly introducing the idea that Child Abuse is part of the 'load' a Christian has to carry. Well I don't think it is. And you are suggesting some sort of support maybe ? Um, before you can offer support to anyone you need to find them first. Wow, this is where we started i think. The only way to find the victims is to investigate the JW org. Why? Because it isn't until there is an investigation that people find it safe enough to come forward. Having been sexually abused, then thrown out of the Org for complaining about it, they are frightened to come forward alone, and they certainly don't get any support when the are shunned. So it seems Tom may be backtracking. It seems he may see the need for these investigations Earthwide, to help the victims and to try to prevent further victims by changing policy, such as the two witness rule, so that victims can be heard. And we never know, Tom may one day even agree to the victims being able to go to the police without being shunned or disfellowshipped. Now Tom, how about letting the brothers and sisters know what's happening so that they can be warned about any 'attack' on them whether verbally or physically whilst they are on the ministry or at the Hall.

@Anna Well as far as I can tell the Governing Body were getting worried in 1997 about the amount of Child Abuse within the USA part of the JW Org. So the Governing Body sent out letters to all the Elders of congregations in the USA. One such letter instructed the Elders to send all reports / accusations about Child Abuse past and present, to Brooklyn HQ. It was to be an ongoing instruction right up to this day. Hence from 1997 to 2017 = 20 years worth of documents concerning Child Abuse within the JW Org USA. Now the point is, why did the GB want all this info ? Was it as Tom says, to try to keep the Org clean, or, was it to be able to hide all the info in one place ? The next question is, Why didn't the Governing Body follow the instruction from God as written in Romans 13 v 1 through 7. That scripture starts off 13 Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore, whoever opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will bring judgment against themselves. The California court, which surely represents the government, demanded the documents that the JW Org / GB had concerning Child Abuse within the JW Org USA. By opposing the court the Governing Body were in fact opposing God. The scripture proves that. Now here is a bit of interesting information which appears to be true, but take it as you will. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2428460-theocratic-warfare-lg.html May 1st, 1957. Watchtower. Use Theocratic War Strategy "So in times of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth". This article also leads people into the way of thinking that telling lies is OK if you are doing it to protect the Organisation. And in my opinion that is what the GB think, and also practice today.

@TrueTomHarley @Space Merchant The ARC was only one country. In Canada the Superior Court of Quebec was looking to proceed with a class action lawsuit in September 2017. I don't have any update on that. In the Netherlands 'Reclaimed Voices' foundation has set up way for victims to contact them and it seems they have had 250 responcies... In the UK the Charity Commision has an ongoing investigation, which the JW Org tried to stop but did not succeed. The IICSA, it seems, will probably also do an investigation, although they seem to be very busy dealing with others at the moment.... Then we have the USA, but after the two (rather famous now) victims received big payouts I've no idea if the GB has to hand over the documents or not. What I'm saying here is, it's not all about the ARC. I cannot understand the attitude of TTH, yes prevention is of course very important. But surely it would help in many ways to see how previous cases were handled. As I've experienced such things I know that the memories last a lifetime, so if it can be proved that the JW Org was negligent, then aren't victims due some sort of compensation ? And I'm not talking being paid millions to keep their mouth shut. Lessons could be learnt from past dealings to help stop future abuse. Rules could be changed within the Org to make it a safer place. SM, people may care about statistics, but I'm more concerned about what God cares about. I think you are coming at this from a different viewpoint. My thoughts are, if the JW org is really God's chosen organisation, then God wants it clean. God is not interested in a percentage, He wants clean. He wants, separate from the world, and a much much higher standard. So to compare to any other peoples is of no importance. It is only important to compare the JW Org to God's standards. How are the JW Org comparing to what God expects of them ? You said 'targeting a group will not reap any fruit because it will spawn comments, insult and reproach to God... ' You see how you are coming at it from a different angle ? I'm not targeting a group. I'm interested in seeing, what is supposed to be God's chosen people, try harder to serve God properly and clean up their Organisation, and help their brothers and sisters.

@TrueTomHarley @TrueTomHarley Quote 'If you hurl about the outlandish things you hurl...' Just because you disagree with my comments that does not make them 'outlandish'. It only means that you have a different opinion to me... What i do object to, is when you tell others what you consider my feelings and intentions are, but you try to make your opinions look like facts... And, i do not demand anything from you. I ask you genuine questions and you choose whether you answer them or not. It wasn't until today that i even knew there was another thread, as I would not have bothered with making one if I'd known. If i joined here through another thread then I'm sorry if my thread is very similar to the other one.... I would agree it gets boring and seems a bit pointless having multiple threads about the same subject. As it is it's all getting tiresome and pointless. I've make my point and have listened to others, though you may say i haven't. And it is only time that will tell us the outcome. I would think that by the end of this year some new decisions would have been made within the JW Org regarding the 'rules' on dealing with Child Abuse. However, I've noticed that some people on one of the threads have said 'Bring it on' to the news about more investigations into Child Abuse within the JW Org. Perhaps those people should note that it was the JW Org themselves that objected to and tried to stop the investigations that have and are already taking place. And it was the JW Org or Governing Body in America that refused to hand over the documents to the Supreme court of California... So how can you have a proper enquiry / investigation when the information concerned is withheld ? But full circle, back to the scripture in Romans about being obedient to the law of the land. And as @TrueTomHarley has said it's all been covered here really. It comes down to what you believe and who you want to serve. As for me I try to serve God through Jesus Christ, and i hope to find the true way of doing that as soon as possible.

@TrueTomHarley Well I think God made it clear how He dealt with the Nation of Israel when they turned their backs on Him. And i think God makes it clear through His word what he expects from His people. As for legal matters, I think the Romans scripture says it all. I'm basing all that I've said here on scripture, not on some other person's viewpoint. God has preserved His word for us to be guided by. And yes the GB are constantly changing scripture meanings, to suit their own purpose it seems. If it was guided by God through Jesus Christ and the holy spirit, i would have thought the GB would have got it right first time. Why would God want to confuse His followers ? And please don't say it is to test our faith, our faith gets enough tests without needing contradiction in scripture from the GB. For someone who honestly doesn't know anything, you certainly are sure that the answer to to DF the GB. Once again a mis-quote. I didn't say that I 'honestly don't know anything', i said, 'I honestly don't know the truth about anything'. There is a very big difference. And as, In my opinion, the Governing Body are deliberately disobeying God, then yes, i do think they should be disfellowshipped. Many people have been disfellowshipped for much less.

Poor old @TrueTomHarley his only pleasure in life seems to be to slander peoples names and to pretend to know the minds of such ones. When he is presented with truth he side tracks, goes off on a tangent. He goes on about this percentage thing so much as if it has any meaning at all. If this issue is about the Child Abuse within the Jehovah's Witnesses Organisation then I politely suggest we keep it as such. Comparing it to the world has no relevance what so ever. As I've said, and need to repeat it seems, the Nation of Israel turned away from God and they offered their children to false gods by burning their children in the fire. Would the Nation of Israel say to God, 'But God, we didn't burn as many of our children as the other nations did' would God have been impressed with that ? No of course not. Why is Tom tom so impressed with this stupid percentage thing ? I'm sure God is not impressed with it. And his latest thing here is this : '...because Christ said they will 'lyingly say every wicked thing about you...' Oh dear Tom tom, wake up, it is not lies they are saying and its Earthwide. Many cases have already been proved to be true. Surely you have to know that. And for anyone else reading this, but not for Tom tom as he has decided in his own mind that I am wicked, but for those of you with open minds I tell you this. I left the JW Org because my conscience would not allow me to stay in it, due to my findings about the Child Abuse Earthwide within the Org... I am not anti JW Org, I am not anti religion, i am not a part of any protest group nor part of any anti religious group of any sort. I am an individual with my own mind and my own thoughts. I am looking for the truth from God, not from men.

@TrueTomHarley I find it so so funny how you keep referencing worldly events or worldly things when the JW Org is supposed to be NO PART OF THIS WORLD.. If you feel the God is with the Org then why would you worry about the inadequacy of the legal system. Surely God will have the outcome He wants ? Or do you not have that faith ? Please tell me if you believe this is true or not. (Remember i have stated on my own FB page that i honestly don't know the truth about anything anymore). I have read that the Governing Body formed two separate legal departments, one in the JW Org (as i call it) and one in the Watchtower Soc. The purpose for this was to slow down court cases. If a court demanded documents from one of them, such as JW Org, then the legal dept of JW Org would send a letter to the W/T Soc, asking them for said documents. W/T Soc would write back to JW Org saying basically 'you can't have the documents'. Then this would carry on back and forth, the purpose being to slow down court proceeding against the JW Org, and hopefully get victims to give up their case... Now if the GB have complete control over both JW Org and W/T Soc, then surely they could just give the instructions to whomever to hand over the documents. Job done. The supposed letters between the JW Org and W/T Soc were put up online, but of course they could be fake. I'm keeping an open mind on it. One other thing i want to look into is that the GB at one time changed their idea of what the Romans 13 scripture meant. Instead of it meaning subjection to the worldly governments / courts etc, i think they said it meant subjection to the GB themselves. Now if that was in 1997 it would prove very interesting, as it seems it was in 1997 that they were getting concerned about the amount of Child Abuse within the Org. However, you come back to the same old rubbish. And as I've said, the Nation of Israel might not have offered up as many of it's children into the fire as the other nations did. but in God's eyes what the nation of Israel did was far worse. Try just for once to see the Child Abuse within JW Org, from God's viewpoint. God would not be so interested in the child abuse in the world as He is in the Child Abuse within the JW Org, if indeed it is His chosen Org. God would want His chosen people to be clean and to serve Him properly. God does not demand that of the rest of the world. I'm sure you would see the difference if you would want to. However it seems you only want to think from a human standpoint and to impress humans with figures or percentages. And it seems you want to rely on your 8 men, your Governing Body, to do it all their way. Whereas I'm relying on God to sort out an Organisation that will serve Him properly before Armageddon comes. Whether that is JW Org or not i do not know. I honestly do not know. I care and i want to know, but I would dearly like God to make it known to me.

@TrueTomHarley Well I think I proved the point and I'm happy with that. New subject, when you cannot or will not answer the old one, I don't think so... And, I don't "work to oppose the one organization that has a child sexual abuse prevention rate ten times that of the overall population,". I'm just not impressed by numbers. And how can you compare an Org that is supposed to be completely clean to a world that deliberately is not wanting to be clean. I do have a great deal of feeling and empathy with the past victims and I'm also very interested in trying to prevent more child abuse within the Org. Hence my suggestion that the Governing Body be completely removed / disfellowshipped, and the Org be sorted out properly. But my reliance for that is not on man, it is on God... It seems true that God will sort out those He wants to use. The Apostle Paul being a great example. So time will tell, and I will wait and see the result.......... 8 men that put themselves in the place of God will not remain there I'm sure. And all those that serve the 8 men may find it deeply shocking when their 'boat' is rocked very hard, but the Org will survive.

@TrueTomHarley So you didn't want to answer my question ?

@TrueTomHarley What is yout ideas on Romans 13, v1 through 7 Let every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore, whoever opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will bring judgment against themselves. For those rulers are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad. Do you want to be free of fear of the authority? Keep doing good, and you will have praise from it; 4 for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear, for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword. It is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath against the one practicing what is bad.5 There is therefore compelling reason for you to be in subjection, not only on account of that wrath but also on account of your conscience.6 That is why you are also paying taxes; for they are God’s public servants constantly serving this very purpose. 7 Render to all their dues: to the one who calls for the tax, the tax; to the one who calls for the tribute, the tribute; to the one who calls for fear, such fear; to the one who calls for honor, such honor. Now surely this is talking about Earthly Governments, courts and all, and being in subjection to them, and being obedient to them when it is not disobeying God. Also, Matthew 5 v 41. 'and if someone in authority compels you into service for a mile, go with him two miles.' Put simply, Jesus was telling his listeners that if an authority compelled them into some kind of legitimate service, they should perform it willingly and without resentment. They were thus to pay “Caesar’s things to Caesar” but not overlook the obligation to pay “God’s things to God.”—Mark 12:17. * So now, I think the Governing Body should obey the law of the land, governments, court orders, and all, as long as it does not go against God's will. And I think you will find i have backed that up with scriptures from your own Bible. N W T of the H S. You may say that human governments and courts do a bad job, but then it's not for you or I to judge them, as it seems they stand in place because God Himself wants them there at this time.

It's snowing here in deepest Devon England. All of God's creation as far as the eye can see, is covered in white. There is peace on the land, probably because no one can travel far, but it's tranquil. Therefore i will sit here and pray to God, rather than spend time replying to comments on here. We all have our own opinion and it seems none of us will be swayed, so no point discussing it further. Have a good day whoever you are, where ever you are. Have piece of mind, be kind to others and show love to those who will receive it. Oh for judgement day, that God's will will be done, here on Earth as in Heaven.

@TrueTomHarley You seem to repeat the same old rubbish. You tell lies and twist things so i can see why you so love the Governing Body. You have so much in common. I don't even think you are a brother in the JW Org. I think you are just a trouble maker. All your lies and rubbish do not fool me however. I can see through you. The Governing Body does not care about it's members of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. They do not care about the amount of Child Abuse within. They did not want to prevent it in the past and do not want to prevent it now. All they want to do is look after themselves. Serve them if you want you hypocrite. Worship them if it makes you feel good. Give your love and devotion to them and not to God Himself, and then wait on judgement day to find the result. Jesus Christ will know your heart, your desires, and your motives. you may fool some people but you won't fool God or His son. you've come back to this stupid stupid idea that JW Org is ok because it does not have AS MUCH Child Abuse as other organisations. and like i said before, would the Nation of Israel have said to God "We did not kill as many of our children as the other nations did ". You hypocrite. you have no idea what Child Abuse is like. Go worship your Governing Body. 8 men, yes MEN, when the scriptures tell you "Put not your trust in earthling man". You forsake God, Jesus Christ and the Bible, and replace it all with 8 MEN. Your stupid reference to the pilot of an aeroplane has no similarity at all. A pilot does not tell you how to live your life. A pilot does not try to take the authority away from God and mistreat millions of people, like a wicked slave class. As for your book, I think you are looking for recognition through the lies that you tell, and to make money of course. Every writer hopes to make some money from their books... And there will probably be some people with little brain power that will buy and read your rubbish... Enjoy whilst you can, Armageddon is getting closer each day. As for apostasy, it means nothing. Jesus was an apostate of the Jewish religion according to the Jewish religious leaders. The early Christians were also apostates to that same religion, hence Saul (who became Paul) was trying to get rid of them all..... Apostasy just means leaving a religion that you once followed... However it does not mean leaving God or Jesus Christ. As for encouraging pedophiles, well your Governing Body must be hiding them for sure. To pay out so much money so as not to release those documents, says quite a bit. Big payoffs to those two victims in America. For nothing, just to give away money, I don't think so ! Go back to sleep and dream on

@James Thomas Rook Jr. If you don't care about Child Abuse, why don't you just say so ?

“And have made us kings and priests to our God; And we shall reign on the earth.” Rev 5:10 10 and you made them to be a kingdomp and priests to our God,qand they are to rule as kingsr over the earth.” Bit of a difference isn't it ?