JOHN BUTLER

If you don't know me I'll just say i left the Org this January because of the Child Abuse 'problem' earthwide in the Org. 
However when i was one of JW's, one of our daughters after only being baptised a year, became involved with someone she should not have, and started a relationship. One of our other daughters told the Elders, which annoyed me, because she told the Elders rather than tell us first. As if she was looking to score points and look good.. She would say it was for the good of the congregation, but I think she just wanted attention. .. Anyway, the elders went to visit our daughter that was in the relationship and that daughter said she wanted to leave the Org. Whether she left the Org or was disfellowshipped i don't know, nor do i care. I said on the day that her 'leaving' was announced in the Hall, that i would not turn my back on her and that i would always be there if she needed me. Both myself and my wife are in regular contact with her and will continue to be, even if i should be reinstated.. She has ended the relationship she was in and is now without a 'partner' so is probably quite lonely. In my opinion God doesn't want people continually punished, so if i can be of help to her I will be. Balance, mercy and love. Jesus said "I want mercy not sacrifice".

Yep, and your 'enlightened ones' are 'supposed' to be guided by God's Holy Spirit. 
I think the GB are having a laugh at other people's expense. 
But doesn't it make the JW Org look stupid ?
Well maybe I should say, doesn't it show the GB and the JW Org for what it really is, stupid.

I do find it kinda' funny that JW's love to talk about billions of people being removed / destroyed / killed / murdered at Armageddon. Billions of people.
And for what ? Well JW's say it's for not serving God. But they will also say it's for not being a baptised JW. 
Well we do know for sure that God either deliberately had, or deliberately allowed, the destruction of Jerusalem in circa 70 C E, and for what ? 
Well the Bible shows us it was for not serving God properly, and for killing God's son. 
BUT when I suggest that the Governing Body should be removed or destroyed, oh dear, the JW's they get really upset ya know. 
Governing Body = 8 men.   Jerusalem = how many, men, women and children, thousands of them. 
But oh dear, now it would be murder. So what was it back then ?  Your see JW's live in a dream world, wrapped up in cotton wool, they just cannot face the real world.
The Governing Body do not serve God properly. That is clearly visible to anyone that honestly wants to see it. 
The Governing Body are destroying JW Org, and if JW Org is God's true Organisation then the GB are deliberately working against God and against God's intentions. 
Humans that deliberately work against God and cause problems for God do not last long on this Earth. 
The Bible shows much proof of this, such as those that opposed Moses. 
I am expecting the GB to be removed, one way or another. But only if God really wants to use the JW Org / Watchtower soc for His own purposes. 
If God does not want to use those Orgs then it would seem sensible for God to set up a new Org for His purposes. 
The only problem with the GB being 'removed' is that JW's will call it a 'sign of the times' and 'persecution', but if God causes the removal then I'm sure He will put them straight. 
Those people that say that the GB cannot be removed / destroyed, are those people that worship the GB. And those people that worship the GB may probably need removing too. 
The world is wicked, it belongs to Satan. The Earth is wonderful and it belongs to Almighty God.
For God to save this Earth and for Him to save a few humans too, drastic things have to take place. Drastic things have to take place.
 

@TrueTomHarley He is good at zany storytelling. 
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Well yep you said it Tom. 
Tom you are indeed a weird storyteller, your own words i think.
I read that page you linked too and it's total untruth and ridiculous, ludicrous rubbish, bit I'm sure you enjoy the GB's rules of 'spiritual warfare', which in truth means telling lies. 
You know why people are turning against the JW Org.
Child abuse is one of the biggest issues. You know that.
The Elders, on one hand pretending not to be a 'clergy class', then on the other hand using 'Clergy Privilege' to hide criminals within the JW Org. 
The GB giving instructions that lies can be told to protect the JW Org and the GB, but calling it spiritual warfare. 
The Blood Issue seeming contradictory by saying NO blood but any amount of fractions which is made from blood. 
The Shunning problem, a rule made up by the GB and enforced by the Elders. 
The list of genuine concerns goes on. The GB and their ranks below them, right down to the Elders, show no love or mercy, just laws and rules. Just as the religious leaders did in Jesus' time. 
And if anyone dare, like me, find fault in the JW Org or the top 'brass', the GB, then we are branded Apostates.
Well I for one am proud to be an Apostate to a religion that enjoys telling lies, makes up rules from nothing, misuses scriptures, changes meaning of scriptures  when it suits them, hides pedophiles within it, misuses the law of the land to suit their own purposes, and then asks for money to cover all the expencies / fines when the courts finally catch up wit them. 
Remember this Tom, an Apostate turns against a former religion, an apostate does not turn against GOD or JESUS CHRIST. 
 
 
 
 

From the email I received. " In June 2015 it issued a retention order covering documents of interest to the Inquiry to the leaders of 18 prominent religious organisations, including the Jehovah's Witnesses. " 
18 different religions, apart from all the government departments and other institutions. So give them a chance.
It doesn't say that the JW Org is not worth investigating does it ? It's just not top priority. 
It is sad for the victims of JW Org sexual abuse here in the UK to have to wait longer, but I think the investigation will happen in time.
As for me despising any religion well those are your words Tom not mine.  

I was having a discussion on here somewhere with someone, concerning the IICSA investigation into JW Org in the UK. 
I've just received this email from them so thought I'd put it up on here for people to look at. 
It doesn't copy and paste exactly as it looks on my email, but here it is anyway :- 
Our reference: IICSA-0013979

 
Dear Mr Butler
Thank you for contacting the Inquiry on 3 February.
As you may be aware, the Inquiry is investigating institutional failure to protect children from sexual abuse in the Anglican and Roman Catholic Churches. In June 2015 it issued a retention order covering documents of interest to the Inquiry to the leaders of 18 prominent religious organisations, including the Jehovah's Witnesses.  
The Inquiry has received correspondence from a considerable number of individuals raising concerns about child sexual abuse within Jehovah's Witnesses organisations. At present the Inquiry is committed to delivering its existing programme and is not currently launching any new investigations. However, as our work progresses, we will consider calls for a Jehovah's Witnesses specific investigation carefully.
Any updates on our investigations, including scope and hearings can be found on our website at www.iicsa.org.uk/investigations
Investigations The Inquiry has launched 13 investigations into a broad range of institutions identified on the basis of the Panel’s criteria for selection of investigations. The investigations will give a voice to victims and survivors of child sexual abuse, enable the Inquiry to understand how institutions have failed to protect children from sexual abuse and make practical recommendations to ensure better institutional protection for children in the future. www.iicsa.org.uk  
I am sorry for the delay in responding to you and I hope that you have found this information useful. If you have any questions regarding the contents of this email, please do not hesitate to contact the Inquiry again.
Yours sincerely

Jodie Yarborough
Head of Correspondence & Engagement Team
Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse
 

Looks to me like JW's have anti -holidays, so it's just as bad.  I've known JW's that will not eat a roast dinner on 25th December because they are frightened it will look like a Christmas dinner.   
As for pushing for a special effort on a stupid day, well it seems like a way of actually celebrating that day to me. It's like saying they know that day is special to people. 
And the Christmas day door to door witnessing is not a good thing. It's intrusive and rude. It's not wanted by people outside the JW org.  I did it once just to prove that i wasn't scared to do it, but it does not show love to people, it's just being 'pushy' to the extreme. 
 

@BillyTheKid46 You are so funny Kid. Your GB / Watchtower / JW Org talk about billions of people being killed at their idea of Armageddon. 
I'm only suggesting that your 8 men of the GB might be killed a long time before that Armageddon. 
I wonder if anyone suggested that Jesus would be killed before it happened ? Please remember that Jesus is the Son of God. but he was murdered.
And remember that one of JW's was working in my local KH and he was murdered. Stabbed to death. 
And it seems that it's you that is stockpiling weapons, not me. How's that machine gun you have ? Legal in the USA is it ? 
And you think I'm crazy  but at least i don't have a house full of guns. 
I wonder which of us should actually be under investigation ?
Oh yes Christian ethics. Trust in God but have a machine gun as a backup.  

@JW Insider But as I've said before, if the GB are 'taken' in any way (death or prison etc) for the Child Abuse issue or false teachings or shunning etc, then it will not be persecution for serving God, but more like people taking revenge or legal action because the GB did not serve God. 
Surely you can see that some of the hate that people have for the GB and JW's, has nothing to do with any prophecy, nothing to do with how they serve God, but more to do with the facts of how the GB and JW's behave in an immoral and unjust way. So any 'worldly action' against the GB / JW Org is more likely to be by those that have suffered in some way because of the GB and it's Org's actions. I don't think that is in prophecy.  If the GB tries to pretend that any action against them is related to prophecy I will find it so funny. 

@JW Insider This is what i get when i try the link, because UK is part of Europe 
451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
But this court case : Legal legal legal, but no moral, no going the extra mile. No, obeying God as ruler rather than men,  it's obeying the legal department rather than God. 
Judas, to the very extreme. Think about the money money money. 
 CCJW, a New York non-profit corporation headquartered in New
York, supports the religion of Jehovah’s Witnesses. CR 77, Ex. G ¶¶5-7.
What ????? So the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's witnesses are not Jehovah's witnesses, they just support Jehovah's Witnesses.  So um, if CCJW is the headquarters, then what it it the headquarters of ?  And how can it be called the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses ?
And they are also saying that the individual congregations are not part of CCJW or Watchtower.  Then why does each and every congregation have to send its  donations to the CCJW or Watchtower ? The individual congregations can only keep enough money to cover one or two months expenses and has to send the rest to CCJW (or Watchtower).  If the congregations are completely separate then what authority does the CCJW or W/t have over each and every congregation ? 
Oh well, even more reason to not be a JW isn't it ?  I hope the Kid loves all this  

I think many comments on here are edited after a reply is given and the original commenter sees how bad the first comment was. 
Suppose that is why the Kid and maybe others take screen shots / print screen.  

JTR Jr said "The only reason I did not "upvote" TTH's excellent post was this quoted line .... as my experiences and observations have been quite different.  Congregational trials disallow representation, recordings, witnesses to the proceedings,  or transcripts, and are held in secret, and the results often secret as well." 
It is the fact that they have been kept secret for so long that has resulted in so many court cases Earthwide now. And if TTH thinks the GB / JW Org / W/t has a much better track record it must be because A. the internal 'court cases' have been kept secret, B. There are far more worldly cases than JW cases. 
I like that JTR Jr uses the expression " than OUR system, where everything is done in darkness, behind closed doors, and anonymously.
Luke 8 v 17. is a good scripture here. 
And I just have to repeat what James wrote here :-
It is an abomination when the Nations have a better system than we do,  and THEIR Justice System imitates what we know from the Bible worked well for thousands of years .... and OUR Congregational system imitates how it is done by tyrants practicing evil.
So James, do you still invite people into your Kingdom Hall ? Do you still go on the ministry ? 
Do you invite innocent people to be taught by tyrants practicing evil. ?
I'm sure you and others are beginning to understand why i left that 'collection of organisations'. 

Tom uses a lot of words just to say that the JW Lawyers are actually villains used by the GB, to do the dirty work of trying to get rid of Victims of Child Abuse that are now putting in claims,  in the JW Org. 
A bit like the religious leaders of the Jews using the Romans to do their dirty work when 'riding themselves of Jesus Christ'. 
Yes the GB do get some of their ideas from scripture.  
 

Oh my oh my.  Guns and wars,what topics for so called Christians. And one in particular who seems to worship those past wars and his collection of guns. And he pretends to have something on me which he is passing on to Interpol or someone ? 
And all of us totally off topic, so where is the @admin to tell us all off. 
The KId keeps saying he is getting back on topic when he's talking about me hating the GB. Well i don't know if i actually hate the GB or just despise them. Did Jesus hate the Pharisees ? 
Pointing out real true faults in someone, is that hate ? I don't think it is. 
Trying to advise people to avoid bad or dangerous situations, is that hate ? I don't think so. 
So if the Kid condemns me for trying to be helpful to others, so be it. 
I have learnt one thing for sure, Americans do have a totally different way of thinking to English people. 
With all that weaponry and war worship i can understand a little bit why they are not disturbed by the amount of collateral  damage in JW Org.  It would seem that Collateral Damage in America is just like buying a burger or hot dog, a daily occurance. 
As for the ten generations twice removed, it's one big joke. Are you guys really fooled by the GB ?

@TrueTomHarley "If it were my defense before the Sanhedrin, that would be a different matter. There I might polish up every word beforehand."
According to God's word you wouldn't need to. The words would be given you by holy spirit.  Doesn't the Bible say not to worry about making a defence for yourself as the words will be given to you? 

Well it's quite funny to read this comment right now as I've just posted, on my FB / Ex JW page, about JW's that have a stockpile of weapons in their own homes. And how they love to talk about war and about men being run over by vehicles and having their heads blown off. Very Christian attitude, not. 
And how it seems fine with the GB for 'brothers' in the USA to stockpile guns, and how those 'brothers' seem to have a love for weapons of war..
I'm sure my readers will find it interesting. 
I got the idea of copy and paste from the Kid, so I copied and pasted from this blog to my FB. 

@BillyTheKid46  Without twisting exactly what I have said, can you truly find a THREAT that i made against the GB ? 
To say I would not be surprised if the GB were removed / killed / assaulted etc, is not a threat it is just saying that i would not be in the least surprised. 
You yourself know that people kill school children for no good reason. They kill people in churches and mosques. They kill people at social gatherings. What exactly is the murder rate per day in the USA these days ? 
American people have to live with the threat of being shot every day, in the UK it's the threat of being stabbed.  It's reality Billy, you and I know it, but it seems strange that people try to hide those facts. 
As for screen shots, I don't think they will hold up in court. Well I haven't had the Police knocking on my door yet, but I have warned my wife of your silly threats of reporting me etc. So if they come knocking she will at least know why  .
Have a good day Kid, this is all so funny, have a laugh.
 
 

Billy is strange, pretending to be a JW, using writings that are not for true Christians, just to try to back up his useless comments. I think the person is unwell. I was going to say man, but one never knows with stupid avatars, if a person is male or female. 
I think your own comment applies to you Kid 
 If you were a JW at one point, whoever taught you scripture did a poor job of it. 

Quote TTH "To the extent people accept you as a genuine member of the faith". TTH do you really think Billy the Kid is a JW ?
Even when he quotes a scripture from Matthew that the Org says is fake. 
And when he uses a bandito as his avatar and has a house full of guns that he seems to love. 
Strangest type of JW I've ever heard of. 
 

Oh, I thought you were sending all my comment to a higher authority, the one that the bible mentions 'Superior Authorities' 

I copied the whole comment to my FB page so that people can make their own mind up about it all. 
Unlike some on here that pick out just a few words out of context.  
But I still find people having a love of guns strange. There are people here in the UK that collect German war memorabilia, i find that disturbing too. Perhaps, in my opinion, it should all be forgotten. War in my opinion is racist. The idea that one race has the right to live above another. 
I tend to collect old household items and farming items, things used for constructive purposes not destructive ones. 

I think it was you that got burned Kid, when I pointed out that the scripture you used from John 8 wasn't recognised as being authentic scripture. 
But now you go on to use another reference that isn't authentic scripture. 
My only thought here is that you are trying to guide people away from God's word. Why would a 'Christian' want to do that ? 
And why would someone who pretends to love the 'Watchtower' / JW Org not use the NWT ? 
But then why would a 'Christian' have a house full of guns and want to use a murdering outlaw as his avatar ? Do you know I've just found a strange coincidence Billy. Let me show you :- 
Billy the Kid (born Henry McCarty September 17 or November 23, 1859 – July 14, 1881, also known as William H. Bonney) was an American Old West outlaw and gunfighter who killed eight men before he was shot and killed at age 21.
Now how many men in that GB ?  How strange that is. 

Why would a JW use the Gospel of Thomas which is possibly fake and not inspired of holy spirit ? 
Remember 'all scripture is inspired ...... ' but the gospel of Thomas is not scripture. 
My feeling is this Kid is defo' not a JW but is trying hard to destroy the reputation of the JW Org in an indirect way.
Unlike me that uses direct means and am not frightened to speak my mind. I think the Kid has a grudge against the GB / JW Org / Watchtower and is being sneaky about how he is getting back at them. 

TTH is here trying to put the blame on JTR. TTH has learnt well from the GB and it's Org. 
Victims in the JW Org very often get told they are to blame. Especially in cases where a victim of mistreatment blames an Elder. Once again we see worship of the Org. 

Well the Kid is unwell isn't he ? It's obvious that God does not control all governments. Not would God want to it seems.
The Devil offered all those 'kingdoms' of the earth to Jesus, so I think it's obvious that the Devil controls them.