ApostaBabe Linda James

That's fine Miss Arauna, thank you for not wanting to get in an argument with the two of us, but sense you have joined in with us on our conversation where we are sharing our observations and opinions on them ( to which I do welcome you, ) I'm more then fine with you disagreeing with me on what I say
that I have observed regarding the use of fear as being one of the most affective ways to control people. And that It is that place of fear induced desperation that seems to be "fueling the aggressive flames of extremism" within the organization and Society at large,
 If your statement of, "how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism among us ?" Is refiring to me ? Then I too can say,
"excuse me - that is not a statement that is true." 
Going on to claim, "that you have not seen anything like that!" is understandable to me. That's your observation and I believe you. 
I get that you and I see things differently. I can even respect that. But can you respect that I may be seeing and observing things differently than you are without you having to dismiss and discount my experiences and observations by saying that my statement is untrue?
To you Miss Anauna, I request that you don't use the "Us and Them," rhetoric regarding me. It's known to be used with the underlining message of, Us being the good guys ( aka, on God's side ) and Them being the bad guys ( aka on the Devil's side ) within High Control, High Demand Authoritarian Cultures.
Now that may be what you are getting at when using that rhetoric, or it may not be, I'm just letting you know that don't care for that kind of separating rhetoric being used when you are referring to me. That kind of rhetoric is very culty.

That's fine Miss Arauna, thank you for not wanting to get in an argument with the two of us, but sense you have joined in with us on our conversation where we are sharing our observations and opinions on them ( to which I do welcome you, ) I'm more then fine with you disagreeing with me on what I say
that I have observed regarding the use of fear as being one of the most affective ways to control people. And that It is that place of fear induced desperation that seems to be "fueling the aggressive flames of extremism" within the organization and Society at large,
 If your statement of, "how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism among us ?" Is refiring to me ? Then I too can say,
"excuse me - that is not a statement that is true." 
Going on to claim, "that you have not seen anything like that!" is understandable to me. That's your observation and I believe you. 
I get that you and I see things differently. I can even respect that. But can you respect that I may be seeing and observing things differently than you are without you having to dismiss and discount my experiences and observations by saying that my statement is untrue?
To you Miss Anauna, I request that you don't use the "Us and Them," rhetoric regarding me. It's known to be used with the underlining message of, Us being the good guys ( aka, on God's side ) and Them being the bad guys ( aka on the Devil's side ) within High Control, High Demand Authoritarian Cultures.
Now that may be what you are getting at when using that rhetoric, or it may not be, I'm just letting you know that don't care for that kind of separating rhetoric being used when you are referring to me. That kind of rhetoric is very culty.

That's fine Miss Arauna, thank you for not wanting to get in an argument with the two of us, but sense you have joined in with us on our conversation where we are sharing our observations and opinions on them ( to which I do welcome you, ) I'm more then fine with you disagreeing with me on what I say
that I have observed regarding the use of fear as being one of the most affective ways to control people. And that It is that place of fear induced desperation that seems to be "fueling the aggressive flames of extremism" within the organization and Society at large,
 If your statement of, "how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism among us ?" Is refiring to me ? Then I too can say,
"excuse me - that is not a statement that is true." 
Going on to claim, "that you have not seen anything like that!" is understandable to me. That's your observation and I believe you. 
I get that you and I see things differently. I can even respect that. But can you respect that I may be seeing and observing things differently than you are without you having to dismiss and discount my experiences and observations by saying that my statement is untrue?
To you Miss Anauna, I request that you don't use the "Us and Them," rhetoric regarding me. It's known to be used with the underlining message of, Us being the good guys ( aka, on God's side ) and Them being the bad guys ( aka on the Devil's side ) within High Control, High Demand Authoritarian Cultures.
Now that may be what you are getting at when using that rhetoric, or it may not be, I'm just letting you know that don't care for that kind of separating rhetoric being used when you are referring to me. That kind of rhetoric is very culty.

That's fine Miss Arauna, thank you for not wanting to get in an argument with the two of us, but sense you have joined in with us on our conversation where we are sharing our observations and opinions on them ( to which I do welcome you, ) I'm more then fine with you disagreeing with me on what I say
that I have observed regarding the use of fear as being one of the most affective ways to control people. And that It is that place of fear induced desperation that seems to be "fueling the aggressive flames of extremism" within the organization and Society at large,
 If your statement of, "how can someone who does not attend our meetings talk of extremism among us ?" Is refiring to me ? Then I too can say,
"excuse me - that is not a statement that is true." 
Going on to claim, "that you have not seen anything like that!" is understandable to me. That's your observation and I believe you. 
I get that you and I see things differently. I can even respect that. But can you respect that I may be seeing and observing things differently than you are without you having to dismiss and discount my experiences and observations by saying that my statement is untrue?
To you Miss Anauna, I request that you don't use the "Us and Them," rhetoric regarding me. It's known to be used with the underlining message of, Us being the good guys ( aka, on God's side ) and Them being the bad guys ( aka on the Devil's side ) within High Control, High Demand Authoritarian Cultures.
Now that may be what you are getting at when using that rhetoric, or it may not be, I'm just letting you know that don't care for that kind of separating rhetoric being used when you are referring to me. That kind of rhetoric is very culty.

True, they'll go back to their places of worship, but as far as the Commission, they're isolated to phone calls and letters.
That being said, from what I had seen so far, them going back to house to house will be vastly different to the New Normalcy.
The ill intent and mindset of some people has changed, even in the realm of aggression.
Not sure if you are a JW or not, but even for you, you need be careful because of the rise of desperation.
So it is wise for everyone to be cautious. In my case, I am cautious, but I tread differently from most.

As fare as, "Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now?"
I had lunch with my brother in law who is a long time elder yesterday here in Southern California and his answer was, no. 
I asked him what about the cart witnessing, and he simply said that they will continue as they have been by doing the letter and phone witnessing.

Yeah, that's pretty much about how I view them too, or "Peddling Paradise."
I find it interesting, most of the time when I see them use this word, "Word," ( whether it be in their New World Translation or in their Publications, ) they will have it capitalized. I've often wondered what the distinction of capitalizing it means to them?
"Knowing that God is watching us." 
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
I'm sorry, not sorry. I doubt that they have ever cared about that.

Well, kind of. 🥺 I replied to her by saying, "so the Organization is a multimedia..." and before I could say anything else, ( pluss I've been trained to stop talking out of respect and/or reverence when other people begin to speak. ) she spoke out the word, "yes," quite emphatically.
So what exactly comes after or before the word multimedia, I'm really not sure.
If anything, knowing that they will more than likely not be leaving the name as simply the word "multimedia," I'm just going to guess here, but I would imagine that they would be adding to that by giving it some kind of, Theocratic Studios something or another kind of name.

So I was talking with my mother on the phone two nights ago, ( on November 17th 2021 ) who is in her mid 70's, baptized in 1963 when she was 21 year's old and pregnant with me. She's is still a very faithful believing ZOOM watching Jehovah's Witness, and pluss my sister is married to an elder, and then she make the statement to me that, "We Are No Longer a Publishing Company." 
Although I was born in and raised within the JW culture, I was never baptized, so her conscience allows her to still be in touch with me and therefore still speaks with me.
Has anyone else here heard of this from a JW, a JWBroadcast, read this in any of the JW literature, or by any other JW official source?

Yeah, that's pretty much about how I view them too, or "Peddling Paradise."
I find it interesting, most of the time when I see them use this word, "Word," ( whether it be in their New World Translation or in their Publications, ) they will have it capitalized. I've often wondered what the distinction of capitalizing it means to them?
"Knowing that God is watching us." 
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
I'm sorry, not sorry. I doubt that they have ever cared about that.

Yeah, that's pretty much about how I view them too, or "Peddling Paradise."
I find it interesting, most of the time when I see them use this word, "Word," ( whether it be in their New World Translation or in their Publications, ) they will have it capitalized. I've often wondered what the distinction of capitalizing it means to them?
"Knowing that God is watching us." 
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
I'm sorry, not sorry. I doubt that they have ever cared about that.

Well, kind of. 🥺 I replied to her by saying, "so the Organization is a multimedia..." and before I could say anything else, ( pluss I've been trained to stop talking out of respect and/or reverence when other people begin to speak. ) she spoke out the word, "yes," quite emphatically.
So what exactly comes after or before the word multimedia, I'm really not sure.
If anything, knowing that they will more than likely not be leaving the name as simply the word "multimedia," I'm just going to guess here, but I would imagine that they would be adding to that by giving it some kind of, Theocratic Studios something or another kind of name.

Well, kind of. 🥺 I replied to her by saying, "so the Organization is a multimedia..." and before I could say anything else, ( pluss I've been trained to stop talking out of respect and/or reverence when other people begin to speak. ) she spoke out the word, "yes," quite emphatically.
So what exactly comes after or before the word multimedia, I'm really not sure.
If anything, knowing that they will more than likely not be leaving the name as simply the word "multimedia," I'm just going to guess here, but I would imagine that they would be adding to that by giving it some kind of, Theocratic Studios something or another kind of name.

So I was talking with my mother on the phone two nights ago, ( on November 17th 2021 ) who is in her mid 70's, baptized in 1963 when she was 21 year's old and pregnant with me. She's is still a very faithful believing ZOOM watching Jehovah's Witness, and pluss my sister is married to an elder, and then she make the statement to me that, "We Are No Longer a Publishing Company." 
Although I was born in and raised within the JW culture, I was never baptized, so her conscience allows her to still be in touch with me and therefore still speaks with me.
Has anyone else here heard of this from a JW, a JWBroadcast, read this in any of the JW literature, or by any other JW official source?

Yes, I've caught wind this as well. They're calling it a pilot something or another for about two, maybe three months.
For the most part, we can assume that children say under what I believe to be 12 years old, won't be attending these meetings because they have not been vaccinated for Covid-19. Being vaccinated is part of the requirements as far as showing up at these Kingdom Hall meetings. So unless the age limit changes to a lower age for receiving C-19 vaccinations, we can pretty much assume those 12 and under will not be in attendance at these Kingdom Hall's.
So although I have concern about the members returning to the Kingdom Hall's for their meetings, something's just not right about this whole thing. I my share my concerns later. But I agree with you Space Merchant on becoming more educated on CSA. Especially on how this organization has set things up on how to handle CSA case's. Unfortunately it is because of lack of Education on CSA that the Elders will remain absolutely ignorant regarding how the leadership of the Org is going to keep having them do their dirty work for them all the while intending for the elders to take the fall as they keep getting thrown under the bus by the leadership of the organization. The leadership will then claim that they had nothing to do with how the elders own conscience had lead him to take care of their own congregation reports of alleged CSA case's. Much like in the Montana CSA case where when the perpetrator admitted guilt when questioned by the elders, changed his mind and skipped town down to Mexico.
In the Utah case where an elder decided to display his own infinite wisdom by taking it upon himself to make an alleged victim who was 14 at the time of her alleged rape, listen to an audio recording, that the alleged rapist, who was 18 at the time that he had allegedly raped her, had made. This audio recording with which he had recorded without her consent nor her knowledge, of her very own alleged rape was handed over to the elder so as to confirm his innocence. This way the elders could listen to it and determine whether she was a consensual partner as the 18 year old had claimed or not. She nor her parents were made aware that this audio recording even existed until after this judicial meeting had started. Five hour's, I repeat, FIVE HOUR'S of her having to listen to this audio recording as the Elder would repeatedly stop and ask her questions such as, "describe what was going on here?" She begged him to stop making her listen to it and to answer to him. Everyone in this judicial meeting could see how she was visibly shaking and crying while being made to re-live this alleged rape that she had originally reported to the elders. Her parents were informed either before or during the beginning of this judicial meeting, that they were not to interrupt this meeting under any circumstances otherwise the consequence would be their daughter's disfellowshipping. As I recall, I believe the parents were threatened with the consequence of disfellowshipping as well their daughter, so all three of them were in fact being horribly traumatized. Yet Mr. Infinite Wisdom Elder would start up the recording, play it for a bit more and then stop the recording to make more inquiries of her. Yes, she continue to beg the elder to stop through her tears.
Actuality, aside from a few cases like these two above case's, the elders do exactly as they are instructed to do by the leadership. They make that phone call to headquarters for them to receive their legal advice. Which they ( the elders ) are basically there to stall the rank and file members from ever opening up any CSA case's with the secular Authorities. So when elders tell alleged victims of CSA that they have every right to tell the police, these elders have no intention to cooperate with the police when asked to. The elders will also add that by starting a case with the secular Authorities, it will only drag Jehovah's name through the mud. This statement alone is often a  successful deterrent on the part of the elders to avoid the rank-and-file members from filing any charges with the secular authorities.
In my opinion, all of this "dragging Jehovah's name through the mud" is a sorry explanation of an excuse used for the reason of stalling their members to not go to the secular authorities. But it works, so they'll continue to use it.
How about Jehovah take some responsibility for his own reputation rather than making it the rank-and-file members responsibility. This is truly an unfair and uncalled for burden to put on alleged victims of CSA as well their families, 

Yes, I've caught wind this as well. They're calling it a pilot something or another for about two, maybe three months.
For the most part, we can assume that children say under what I believe to be 12 years old, won't be attending these meetings because they have not been vaccinated for Covid-19. Being vaccinated is part of the requirements as far as showing up at these Kingdom Hall meetings. So unless the age limit changes to a lower age for receiving C-19 vaccinations, we can pretty much assume those 12 and under will not be in attendance at these Kingdom Hall's.
So although I have concern about the members returning to the Kingdom Hall's for their meetings, something's just not right about this whole thing. I my share my concerns later. But I agree with you Space Merchant on becoming more educated on CSA. Especially on how this organization has set things up on how to handle CSA case's. Unfortunately it is because of lack of Education on CSA that the Elders will remain absolutely ignorant regarding how the leadership of the Org is going to keep having them do their dirty work for them all the while intending for the elders to take the fall as they keep getting thrown under the bus by the leadership of the organization. The leadership will then claim that they had nothing to do with how the elders own conscience had lead him to take care of their own congregation reports of alleged CSA case's. Much like in the Montana CSA case where when the perpetrator admitted guilt when questioned by the elders, changed his mind and skipped town down to Mexico.
In the Utah case where an elder decided to display his own infinite wisdom by taking it upon himself to make an alleged victim who was 14 at the time of her alleged rape, listen to an audio recording, that the alleged rapist, who was 18 at the time that he had allegedly raped her, had made. This audio recording with which he had recorded without her consent nor her knowledge, of her very own alleged rape was handed over to the elder so as to confirm his innocence. This way the elders could listen to it and determine whether she was a consensual partner as the 18 year old had claimed or not. She nor her parents were made aware that this audio recording even existed until after this judicial meeting had started. Five hour's, I repeat, FIVE HOUR'S of her having to listen to this audio recording as the Elder would repeatedly stop and ask her questions such as, "describe what was going on here?" She begged him to stop making her listen to it and to answer to him. Everyone in this judicial meeting could see how she was visibly shaking and crying while being made to re-live this alleged rape that she had originally reported to the elders. Her parents were informed either before or during the beginning of this judicial meeting, that they were not to interrupt this meeting under any circumstances otherwise the consequence would be their daughter's disfellowshipping. As I recall, I believe the parents were threatened with the consequence of disfellowshipping as well their daughter, so all three of them were in fact being horribly traumatized. Yet Mr. Infinite Wisdom Elder would start up the recording, play it for a bit more and then stop the recording to make more inquiries of her. Yes, she continue to beg the elder to stop through her tears.
Actuality, aside from a few cases like these two above case's, the elders do exactly as they are instructed to do by the leadership. They make that phone call to headquarters for them to receive their legal advice. Which they ( the elders ) are basically there to stall the rank and file members from ever opening up any CSA case's with the secular Authorities. So when elders tell alleged victims of CSA that they have every right to tell the police, these elders have no intention to cooperate with the police when asked to. The elders will also add that by starting a case with the secular Authorities, it will only drag Jehovah's name through the mud. This statement alone is often a  successful deterrent on the part of the elders to avoid the rank-and-file members from filing any charges with the secular authorities.
In my opinion, all of this "dragging Jehovah's name through the mud" is a sorry explanation of an excuse used for the reason of stalling their members to not go to the secular authorities. But it works, so they'll continue to use it.
How about Jehovah take some responsibility for his own reputation rather than making it the rank-and-file members responsibility. This is truly an unfair and uncalled for burden to put on alleged victims of CSA as well their families, 

Yes, I've caught wind this as well. They're calling it a pilot something or another for about two, maybe three months.
For the most part, we can assume that children say under what I believe to be 12 years old, won't be attending these meetings because they have not been vaccinated for Covid-19. Being vaccinated is part of the requirements as far as showing up at these Kingdom Hall meetings. So unless the age limit changes to a lower age for receiving C-19 vaccinations, we can pretty much assume those 12 and under will not be in attendance at these Kingdom Hall's.
So although I have concern about the members returning to the Kingdom Hall's for their meetings, something's just not right about this whole thing. I my share my concerns later. But I agree with you Space Merchant on becoming more educated on CSA. Especially on how this organization has set things up on how to handle CSA case's. Unfortunately it is because of lack of Education on CSA that the Elders will remain absolutely ignorant regarding how the leadership of the Org is going to keep having them do their dirty work for them all the while intending for the elders to take the fall as they keep getting thrown under the bus by the leadership of the organization. The leadership will then claim that they had nothing to do with how the elders own conscience had lead him to take care of their own congregation reports of alleged CSA case's. Much like in the Montana CSA case where when the perpetrator admitted guilt when questioned by the elders, changed his mind and skipped town down to Mexico.
In the Utah case where an elder decided to display his own infinite wisdom by taking it upon himself to make an alleged victim who was 14 at the time of her alleged rape, listen to an audio recording, that the alleged rapist, who was 18 at the time that he had allegedly raped her, had made. This audio recording with which he had recorded without her consent nor her knowledge, of her very own alleged rape was handed over to the elder so as to confirm his innocence. This way the elders could listen to it and determine whether she was a consensual partner as the 18 year old had claimed or not. She nor her parents were made aware that this audio recording even existed until after this judicial meeting had started. Five hour's, I repeat, FIVE HOUR'S of her having to listen to this audio recording as the Elder would repeatedly stop and ask her questions such as, "describe what was going on here?" She begged him to stop making her listen to it and to answer to him. Everyone in this judicial meeting could see how she was visibly shaking and crying while being made to re-live this alleged rape that she had originally reported to the elders. Her parents were informed either before or during the beginning of this judicial meeting, that they were not to interrupt this meeting under any circumstances otherwise the consequence would be their daughter's disfellowshipping. As I recall, I believe the parents were threatened with the consequence of disfellowshipping as well their daughter, so all three of them were in fact being horribly traumatized. Yet Mr. Infinite Wisdom Elder would start up the recording, play it for a bit more and then stop the recording to make more inquiries of her. Yes, she continue to beg the elder to stop through her tears.
Actuality, aside from a few cases like these two above case's, the elders do exactly as they are instructed to do by the leadership. They make that phone call to headquarters for them to receive their legal advice. Which they ( the elders ) are basically there to stall the rank and file members from ever opening up any CSA case's with the secular Authorities. So when elders tell alleged victims of CSA that they have every right to tell the police, these elders have no intention to cooperate with the police when asked to. The elders will also add that by starting a case with the secular Authorities, it will only drag Jehovah's name through the mud. This statement alone is often a  successful deterrent on the part of the elders to avoid the rank-and-file members from filing any charges with the secular authorities.
In my opinion, all of this "dragging Jehovah's name through the mud" is a sorry explanation of an excuse used for the reason of stalling their members to not go to the secular authorities. But it works, so they'll continue to use it.
How about Jehovah take some responsibility for his own reputation rather than making it the rank-and-file members responsibility. This is truly an unfair and uncalled for burden to put on alleged victims of CSA as well their families, 

Yes, I've caught wind this as well. They're calling it a pilot something or another for about two, maybe three months.
For the most part, we can assume that children say under what I believe to be 12 years old, won't be attending these meetings because they have not been vaccinated for Covid-19. Being vaccinated is part of the requirements as far as showing up at these Kingdom Hall meetings. So unless the age limit changes to a lower age for receiving C-19 vaccinations, we can pretty much assume those 12 and under will not be in attendance at these Kingdom Hall's.
So although I have concern about the members returning to the Kingdom Hall's for their meetings, something's just not right about this whole thing. I my share my concerns later. But I agree with you Space Merchant on becoming more educated on CSA. Especially on how this organization has set things up on how to handle CSA case's. Unfortunately it is because of lack of Education on CSA that the Elders will remain absolutely ignorant regarding how the leadership of the Org is going to keep having them do their dirty work for them all the while intending for the elders to take the fall as they keep getting thrown under the bus by the leadership of the organization. The leadership will then claim that they had nothing to do with how the elders own conscience had lead him to take care of their own congregation reports of alleged CSA case's. Much like in the Montana CSA case where when the perpetrator admitted guilt when questioned by the elders, changed his mind and skipped town down to Mexico.
In the Utah case where an elder decided to display his own infinite wisdom by taking it upon himself to make an alleged victim who was 14 at the time of her alleged rape, listen to an audio recording, that the alleged rapist, who was 18 at the time that he had allegedly raped her, had made. This audio recording with which he had recorded without her consent nor her knowledge, of her very own alleged rape was handed over to the elder so as to confirm his innocence. This way the elders could listen to it and determine whether she was a consensual partner as the 18 year old had claimed or not. She nor her parents were made aware that this audio recording even existed until after this judicial meeting had started. Five hour's, I repeat, FIVE HOUR'S of her having to listen to this audio recording as the Elder would repeatedly stop and ask her questions such as, "describe what was going on here?" She begged him to stop making her listen to it and to answer to him. Everyone in this judicial meeting could see how she was visibly shaking and crying while being made to re-live this alleged rape that she had originally reported to the elders. Her parents were informed either before or during the beginning of this judicial meeting, that they were not to interrupt this meeting under any circumstances otherwise the consequence would be their daughter's disfellowshipping. As I recall, I believe the parents were threatened with the consequence of disfellowshipping as well their daughter, so all three of them were in fact being horribly traumatized. Yet Mr. Infinite Wisdom Elder would start up the recording, play it for a bit more and then stop the recording to make more inquiries of her. Yes, she continue to beg the elder to stop through her tears.
Actuality, aside from a few cases like these two above case's, the elders do exactly as they are instructed to do by the leadership. They make that phone call to headquarters for them to receive their legal advice. Which they ( the elders ) are basically there to stall the rank and file members from ever opening up any CSA case's with the secular Authorities. So when elders tell alleged victims of CSA that they have every right to tell the police, these elders have no intention to cooperate with the police when asked to. The elders will also add that by starting a case with the secular Authorities, it will only drag Jehovah's name through the mud. This statement alone is often a  successful deterrent on the part of the elders to avoid the rank-and-file members from filing any charges with the secular authorities.
In my opinion, all of this "dragging Jehovah's name through the mud" is a sorry explanation of an excuse used for the reason of stalling their members to not go to the secular authorities. But it works, so they'll continue to use it.
How about Jehovah take some responsibility for his own reputation rather than making it the rank-and-file members responsibility. This is truly an unfair and uncalled for burden to put on alleged victims of CSA as well their families, 

The foot note to the the scripture
@John 11:26
will never die at all: When Jesus spoke about not dying, or of living forever, he clearly did not mean that his listeners back then would never experience death. Jesus was making the point that faith in him could lead to everlasting life. That conclusion is supported by what Jesus said earlier, as recorded in John chapter 6, where he connects exercising faith with gaining everlasting life.—Joh 6:39-44, 54.

 
All due respect, BroRando
Why would you use this approach with PwfT?
"why don't you go for it and call him a liar too??   You know what Jesus says about Hypocrisy? "
John 11:26 isn't even being taken literally by jw.org. Please! Check out the above footnote. Look it up yourself. "When Jesus spoke about not dying, or of living forever, he clearly did not mean that his listeners back then would never experience death. Jesus was making the point that faith in him could lead to everlasting life."
We all here know that within the culture of the Watchtower, the Org has taught that there would be some that are living during the time of the end, or just before the Great Tribulation, ( other times the Org has use the term Armageddon or The great day of Armageddon which I will now in this discussion thread use G.T. for Great Tribulation & The Big "A" for Armageddon ) who would be able to live through it and walk right on into the new system of things.
This has been big thing within this culture of the Watchtower, even way back in the day when Rutherford was the president. Wasn't it he that established that there would be what is called, "a great crowd," spoken of in Revelations, that would have an Earthly hope rather than a Heavenly hope? If so, when did he established this?
The goal or hope of "the great crowd" was to be able to survive going through these times. I'm sure we can agree that within Watchtower theology, we were taught that those who did not survive the time of the G.T. or The Big "A" had no hope for a Resurrection. This surviving Armageddon And/or the Great Tribulation is a big teaching of hope. 
This teaching of only IBSA's or the JW's surviving through the G.T. and/or The Big "A" is, I thought, THE whole REASON for the preaching work or the ministry work. I can even remember it being spoken of as our spiritual act of worship. So what could possibly be a problem with PwfT saying, "So it would be good to know exactly who Rutherford expected to 'continue living," ?
So Patiently Waiting For Truth asking about this seems like a reasonable question to me. But hay. IDK? Is this, was this doctrinal change even a thing? A thing worth acknowledging and/or even discussing. Was there a chang? An add on to those with the Heavenly hope?
I mean if not, and that's the case, why would someone not just say so rather then comparing the words Rutherford to the words of Jesus and then proceeding to accuse Patiently Waiting For Truth of calling Jesus a liar. ( BTW, during the reign of Rutherford there wasn't even 1 million members yet, so might he have been talking about those who were not yet members, and not of the 144.000 Heavenly hope that might be potential future members that had not yet been recruited members of the IBSA yet "that will never die?" )  
I don't understand the hesitation here to have this conversation. 
 

The foot note to the the scripture
@John 11:26
will never die at all: When Jesus spoke about not dying, or of living forever, he clearly did not mean that his listeners back then would never experience death. Jesus was making the point that faith in him could lead to everlasting life. That conclusion is supported by what Jesus said earlier, as recorded in John chapter 6, where he connects exercising faith with gaining everlasting life.—Joh 6:39-44, 54.

 
All due respect, BroRando
Why would you use this approach with PwfT?
"why don't you go for it and call him a liar too??   You know what Jesus says about Hypocrisy? "
John 11:26 isn't even being taken literally by jw.org. Please! Check out the above footnote. Look it up yourself. "When Jesus spoke about not dying, or of living forever, he clearly did not mean that his listeners back then would never experience death. Jesus was making the point that faith in him could lead to everlasting life."
We all here know that within the culture of the Watchtower, the Org has taught that there would be some that are living during the time of the end, or just before the Great Tribulation, ( other times the Org has use the term Armageddon or The great day of Armageddon which I will now in this discussion thread use G.T. for Great Tribulation & The Big "A" for Armageddon ) who would be able to live through it and walk right on into the new system of things.
This has been big thing within this culture of the Watchtower, even way back in the day when Rutherford was the president. Wasn't it he that established that there would be what is called, "a great crowd," spoken of in Revelations, that would have an Earthly hope rather than a Heavenly hope? If so, when did he established this?
The goal or hope of "the great crowd" was to be able to survive going through these times. I'm sure we can agree that within Watchtower theology, we were taught that those who did not survive the time of the G.T. or The Big "A" had no hope for a Resurrection. This surviving Armageddon And/or the Great Tribulation is a big teaching of hope. 
This teaching of only IBSA's or the JW's surviving through the G.T. and/or The Big "A" is, I thought, THE whole REASON for the preaching work or the ministry work. I can even remember it being spoken of as our spiritual act of worship. So what could possibly be a problem with PwfT saying, "So it would be good to know exactly who Rutherford expected to 'continue living," ?
So Patiently Waiting For Truth asking about this seems like a reasonable question to me. But hay. IDK? Is this, was this doctrinal change even a thing? A thing worth acknowledging and/or even discussing. Was there a chang? An add on to those with the Heavenly hope?
I mean if not, and that's the case, why would someone not just say so rather then comparing the words Rutherford to the words of Jesus and then proceeding to accuse Patiently Waiting For Truth of calling Jesus a liar. ( BTW, during the reign of Rutherford there wasn't even 1 million members yet, so might he have been talking about those who were not yet members, and not of the 144.000 Heavenly hope that might be potential future members that had not yet been recruited members of the IBSA yet "that will never die?" )  
I don't understand the hesitation here to have this conversation. 
 

The foot note to the the scripture
@John 11:26
will never die at all: When Jesus spoke about not dying, or of living forever, he clearly did not mean that his listeners back then would never experience death. Jesus was making the point that faith in him could lead to everlasting life. That conclusion is supported by what Jesus said earlier, as recorded in John chapter 6, where he connects exercising faith with gaining everlasting life.—Joh 6:39-44, 54.

 
All due respect, BroRando
Why would you use this approach with PwfT?
"why don't you go for it and call him a liar too??   You know what Jesus says about Hypocrisy? "
John 11:26 isn't even being taken literally by jw.org. Please! Check out the above footnote. Look it up yourself. "When Jesus spoke about not dying, or of living forever, he clearly did not mean that his listeners back then would never experience death. Jesus was making the point that faith in him could lead to everlasting life."
We all here know that within the culture of the Watchtower, the Org has taught that there would be some that are living during the time of the end, or just before the Great Tribulation, ( other times the Org has use the term Armageddon or The great day of Armageddon which I will now in this discussion thread use G.T. for Great Tribulation & The Big "A" for Armageddon ) who would be able to live through it and walk right on into the new system of things.
This has been big thing within this culture of the Watchtower, even way back in the day when Rutherford was the president. Wasn't it he that established that there would be what is called, "a great crowd," spoken of in Revelations, that would have an Earthly hope rather than a Heavenly hope? If so, when did he established this?
The goal or hope of "the great crowd" was to be able to survive going through these times. I'm sure we can agree that within Watchtower theology, we were taught that those who did not survive the time of the G.T. or The Big "A" had no hope for a Resurrection. This surviving Armageddon And/or the Great Tribulation is a big teaching of hope. 
This teaching of only IBSA's or the JW's surviving through the G.T. and/or The Big "A" is, I thought, THE whole REASON for the preaching work or the ministry work. I can even remember it being spoken of as our spiritual act of worship. So what could possibly be a problem with PwfT saying, "So it would be good to know exactly who Rutherford expected to 'continue living," ?
So Patiently Waiting For Truth asking about this seems like a reasonable question to me. But hay. IDK? Is this, was this doctrinal change even a thing? A thing worth acknowledging and/or even discussing. Was there a chang? An add on to those with the Heavenly hope?
I mean if not, and that's the case, why would someone not just say so rather then comparing the words Rutherford to the words of Jesus and then proceeding to accuse Patiently Waiting For Truth of calling Jesus a liar. ( BTW, during the reign of Rutherford there wasn't even 1 million members yet, so might he have been talking about those who were not yet members, and not of the 144.000 Heavenly hope that might be potential future members that had not yet been recruited members of the IBSA yet "that will never die?" )  
I don't understand the hesitation here to have this conversation. 
 

The foot note to the the scripture
@John 11:26
will never die at all: When Jesus spoke about not dying, or of living forever, he clearly did not mean that his listeners back then would never experience death. Jesus was making the point that faith in him could lead to everlasting life. That conclusion is supported by what Jesus said earlier, as recorded in John chapter 6, where he connects exercising faith with gaining everlasting life.—Joh 6:39-44, 54.

 
All due respect, BroRando
Why would you use this approach with PwfT?
"why don't you go for it and call him a liar too??   You know what Jesus says about Hypocrisy? "
John 11:26 isn't even being taken literally by jw.org. Please! Check out the above footnote. Look it up yourself. "When Jesus spoke about not dying, or of living forever, he clearly did not mean that his listeners back then would never experience death. Jesus was making the point that faith in him could lead to everlasting life."
We all here know that within the culture of the Watchtower, the Org has taught that there would be some that are living during the time of the end, or just before the Great Tribulation, ( other times the Org has use the term Armageddon or The great day of Armageddon which I will now in this discussion thread use G.T. for Great Tribulation & The Big "A" for Armageddon ) who would be able to live through it and walk right on into the new system of things.
This has been big thing within this culture of the Watchtower, even way back in the day when Rutherford was the president. Wasn't it he that established that there would be what is called, "a great crowd," spoken of in Revelations, that would have an Earthly hope rather than a Heavenly hope? If so, when did he established this?
The goal or hope of "the great crowd" was to be able to survive going through these times. I'm sure we can agree that within Watchtower theology, we were taught that those who did not survive the time of the G.T. or The Big "A" had no hope for a Resurrection. This surviving Armageddon And/or the Great Tribulation is a big teaching of hope. 
This teaching of only IBSA's or the JW's surviving through the G.T. and/or The Big "A" is, I thought, THE whole REASON for the preaching work or the ministry work. I can even remember it being spoken of as our spiritual act of worship. So what could possibly be a problem with PwfT saying, "So it would be good to know exactly who Rutherford expected to 'continue living," ?
So Patiently Waiting For Truth asking about this seems like a reasonable question to me. But hay. IDK? Is this, was this doctrinal change even a thing? A thing worth acknowledging and/or even discussing. Was there a chang? An add on to those with the Heavenly hope?
I mean if not, and that's the case, why would someone not just say so rather then comparing the words Rutherford to the words of Jesus and then proceeding to accuse Patiently Waiting For Truth of calling Jesus a liar. ( BTW, during the reign of Rutherford there wasn't even 1 million members yet, so might he have been talking about those who were not yet members, and not of the 144.000 Heavenly hope that might be potential future members that had not yet been recruited members of the IBSA yet "that will never die?" )  
I don't understand the hesitation here to have this conversation. 
 

Why are people so frightened of my questions ?
@JW Insider Please help me out here. I'm sure you could provide an inteligent answer. 
I expect no sense from Tom and Jerry above though. 

Yep, it is the same person, I asked JB if he knew the mugshot for a reason, it was all over UK media at one point. It is in relation to something to push a fight against CSA, which as for a while the system in some instances have been brushed off at times by police in the UK.
Seeing that the other two will not even addressed this at all. Child Abuse, although a plague in every place around the globe, educational/religious institutions, academics, clubs, etc, even in recreational settings, there will be pockets of people who will exploit those around them in order to sexually abuse and or commit violence to a child. In The United States and the United Kingdom it is problematic, and eventually with the events taking place now with governments, it loosens the barrier for things. Both have vile, infamous abusers, but since the focus is the UK, they have some of the most twisted ones on top of the pedophilia food chain, excluding the grooming gangs.
The man in the picture I posted is among the infamous abusers, his name is Roy Whiting, a British convicted child murderer and offender, from West Sussex county.
As pointed out to both @Srecko Sostarand @Patiently waiting for Truth, pedophiles who act on their disorder seek to cause harm to a child, either sexually or by violence, both of which physical. This man took it a step further, and he does not try to enter churches or schools to gain access to a child or manipulate people around him, be it teachers or pastors, he hunted down and kidnapped underaged girls, as well as being deranged. This is why, often times, abusers who act outside of such are difficult to deal with, mainly those who are more aggressive.
This abuser had kidnapped a 9 year old girl in Crawley and sexually assaulted her, and was only caught and arrested a few weeks later after a friend of his knew about what he did and came forward, even identifying the car Roy was driving in, which he tried to get rid of. After this, Roy admitted to the charges of  charges of abduction and indecent assault and was given prison time for 4 years, nearly getting life. As pointed out to @Patiently waiting for Truth the justice system a double edged sword and is a double standard, and this resulted in Roy getting a lesser sentence because of admitting to the crime and as well as sparing his victim of having to give evidence in court had the case reached a trial. After this he was admitted to a Psychiatrist, confessing that he was likely to do the same thing, re-offend once he was released with a possibility killing any would be victim.
Despite this event, he was later released in 1997, having served just over half of his 4 year sentence, in addition to being one of the first people in Britain to go on the newly-launched sex offenders register. He was scheduled to have been released from prison in June of that same year, but had to serve an additional 5 months in prison for refusing to take part in a rehabilitation program for convicted sex offenders.
This brings us to the girl in the picture, and from the aftermath, the Law that was created.

Whiting then moved to Littlehampton on West Sussex and was there for some time. He was still visited by officers from Sussex Police who did  a number of inquiries into the disappearance of Sarah Payne (an 8 year old girl from West Sussex), who had gone missing in the Kingston Gorse area of Littlehampton the previous evening several miles from where Roy lives. Despite being released, knowing what he is capable of, he was the one responsible for Sarah Payne disappearance; the police did not take him in then, only much later on they re-arrested him on suspicion. There was still not enough evidence to charge him with and so he was released without charge for a second time.
In 2001, Whiting was convicted of the abduction and murder of Sarah Payne and was sentenced to life imprisonment, with a recommendation that he never be released. After Whiting was convicted, it was revealed that he was already a convicted child sex offender; this the the Payne family's correct in their belief that Sarah had been killed by a child sex offender who had already committed similar offences, which had already led to them co-operating with a media campaign for public access to the sex offenders register, as well as tighter controls on sex offenders who had been released from custody. This campaign had started within days of Sarah Payne's body being found, and several months before Whiting had even been charged.
Whiting's previous conviction had until then been kept from the jury at the request of the police, who felt that if they had heard details of his previous conviction and he had been found guilty, it would allow him to claim that he had been convicted on the basis of an earlier offence rather than the one for which he was being tried, paving the way for a potential successful appeal.
There were renewed calls for the government to allow a controlled public access to the sex offender's register. This became the campaign for what is known as Sarah's Law (also known as The Child Sex Offender Disclosure Scheme in England and Wales) due to the aftermath, after the introduction of Megan's Law in the US following a similar case several years earlier. After a 3 year trial period in a few police districts from 2008-2011, Sarah's Law was expanded to the entirety of the United Kingdom in 2010, a law known by the majority.
From the aftermath of the convicted pedophile, Sarah's Laws allows parents/guardians and or relative to ask the police if somebody with regular access to their children has a record of sexual offenses, which is utilized today, however, there had been some issues with the police concerning this later on, whereas anything related the police tries to misdirect callers, mainly for those who are seeking information.
https://inews.co.uk/culture/television/sarahs-law-what-uk-explained-sarah-payne-murder-killer-child-sex-offender-disclosure-scheme-307014
That being said, it is very tragic of what happened to her, as with most. For if she was alive today, she would be close to my age. She is lived on through her siblings, especially her sister, who, to this day, looks just like her.
Roy Whiting is but one sex offender among UK's history, there are others, far grim, far worse, one in particular so disgustingly twisted mentality it is as if he was pulled from Batman's Rogue gallery out of Arkham Asylum. Pedophiles are often attacked and or killed in prison, the one I equated to a Batman villain, was tortured, killed and was allegedly about to be eaten by one of the prisoners, this person is The worse pedophile ever known dubbed Britain's worst pedophile. The US also have some crazies too outside of the schools and churches.