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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in By the way .... has the Society recently decided that voting is a matter of personal conscience?   
    If blood is soooo sacred in the eyes of the GB / Org, they why do the GB 'allow' JW's to accept fractions of HUMAN BLOOD ?
    I would have thought the mere 'messing about' with / disecting of, human blood would be seen as wrong. That blood has been removed from someone's body. Shouldn't all blood removed be 'pored out on the ground' ? 
    On this subject, can someone tell me exactly how many different types of blood fractions JW's are 'allowed' to use ? I have tried to research it but it get confusing to me. 
    On a wider scale of things though,it definitely shows that the GB are the GOVERNING BODY, dictating rules of men,doesn't it ?
    Didn't Jesus say how wrong that was ? Lording it over the congregation. 
    God is going to judge us through Christ, so do we really need to be dictated to by men ? Are we not allowed to have a conscience ?  Guidelines, yes, but man made rules dictated to servants of God, no. Especially as failures of those in charge are easily seen. It seems like some here want to go back to the lie told about the 'Superior Authorities' just to gain more power over the earth wide congregation.. 
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from boyle in Pennsylvania Opens Grand Jury Criminal Investigation Into Jehovah’s Witnesses; JW Survey Editor Subpoenaed   
    Thank you @Witness  That was a lot of reading but well worth it. 
    I'm sorry if I seem insulting toward Americans but there was such a big difference between calmly reading all that, or, listening to voices on video. Unfortunately the people  on video look as if they are cheering a ball game not reporting on something serious. 
    But keep it up Witness, the more information available the better. Thank you again.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Witness:
    You need to take a course somewhere on “reading comprehension”., as it has been well advertised by me over the last 10 years or so that I disagree with 85% of what the Governing Body had taught over the past 50 and more years…. which of course makes me a heretic,  but the magnificent changes in people’s lives cannot be ignored. 
     
    Neither can the fact that the 15% they get right are the most important and relevant part.
    I am a firm believer in statistical probability, and the probability of them being the true Congregation of God is very high based on the day to day application of the 15% core beliefs that impart a true understanding, IN SPITE OF a continuous sad comedy of errors and self-aggrandizing vanities common to all ego laden males.
    Testosterone is a blessing and a curse.
    I do not see how in good conscience you can advocate Jehovah’s Witnesses “jumping ship”, when you will not even indicate WHERE there is a safe harbor, by filling out the stupid form, above.
    One does not fight a war …. and it is a war …  . With the army you want …. You fight a war with the ARMY YOU HAVE.  
    ….. which  makes much of what you say, although true, in the context of practical reality, it is also irrelevant.
    Leave them alone, or you will with the imprimatur of good conscience, actually be found fighting against God.
    Theology is a seductive gig …. In the history of the world, NOBODY, not a single natural man, has yet gotten it right.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Worshiping in sprit and truth does not require a religious organization.  As I've said before, if that's what you're looking for, you know there are plenty out there to choose from who offer at least "15 percent" truth and maybe more.
    Jesus told her, “Believe me, woman, an hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem."
    Neither here in this organization, or there, in that organization.
     "But an hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth. Yes, the Father wants such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and in truth.”  John 4
    A prophet appears in the last days to warn God's people of their sins. (Mal 3:1-4; Matt 17: 11; Rev 11:1-3; 14:6,7)  This person's goal is not to establish a religion, but to give an inspired warning and the understanding of this warning in Revelation.  (Rev 1:1)  We know there are no prophets from the past who established an organized religion.  Only what Jesus began building on his body, through the apostles and all anointed; is acceptable "worship".  (John 13:20)  
    Pudgy, you should realize that any religion organized by men leads to corruption, yet  you seem to desire the same thing that you already have, no matter the message.  
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Witness:
    The acid test for me is this:
    Can you personally direct me to an organization, group, tribe or congregation that does NOT EXHIBIT all the faults you attribute to Jehovah’s Witnesses?
    Name: _________________________________
    Address: _______________________________
    City: ___________________________________
    State: __________________________________
    Country: _______________________________
    Phone No: _____________________________
    Email: __________________________________
     
    I am not one of Jehovah’s Witnesses currently, and have been disfellowshipped twice, but objectively it is still my opinion that the 15% of the things they do right is better than anybody else in current operation. They are mankind’s best bet to have righteous lives acceptable to Jehovah God.
    Prove me wrong.
    Fill out the above “form”, and tell me WHY!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    On your website:
    3487 hits for “Jehovah’s organization” in the same paragraph
    21 results for “spirit-directed organization”
    312 results for “Jehovah’s earthly organization”
    84 results for “loyalty to Jehovah’s organization
    12 results for “mountainlike organization”
    I didn’t pursue “dedication to Jehovah’s organization”, “obey Jehovah’s organization”, or all the various combinations of the words.
    What are they adding up to?  idolatry
    Can any of you tell me where God’s word condones loyalty, worship, dedication, obedience to ANYTHING, whether a philosophy or a physical entity, other than the Father and His word in His Son?  The apostles set a foundation of a “building” being built on truth – Jesus Christ.  Did they tell lies?  Did they make false predictions?  Or, did they warn against making false predictions?  2 Thess 2:1,2   Do God’s words given to Moses, not have any validity anymore?  Deut. 18:20-22
    Since we have proof that your organization has told lies, did God who spoke those words in Deut. 18 to Moses, build your organization, or did men?  Why would God bless an organization that contradicts the words of truth, established within the foundation of His spiritual Temple? (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16; Eph 2:20-22)   ANYONE, who puts down the Harlot’s wine, rejecting your leadership’s teachings, sobers up to the hypocrisy that flourishes in the Wt. (Rev 17:1,2; [Rev 1:5]; Rev 13:17;16:13; 1 Tim 4:1) Some who truly desire to know the Truth presented by Jesus Christ, reject your organization once they realize it is built on falsehoods.  This is why people who have left, will not quit speaking against the Wt, until Jesus returns to destroy it with the breath of his mouth – to condemn it using the Word of God.  (2 Thess 2: 9,10,8; Jer 23:29; Rev 12:7-9)
    And…this is why anointed who have been “killed” by the wicked slave, will not quit speaking their testimony of Christ.  (Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:15; 11:1-4,7; 12:11) The only way they can hope to retrieve any of you and their loved ones, or the anointed under your rule @xero  - as you are, or were, part of the man of lawlessness/elder body sitting in the Temple of God - is to sound the trumpet to get out of the “beloved organization”.  (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 14:6-12; Rev 18:4-8)  The anointed are trampled down in that corrupt haven – a “god of fortresses” or “forces”. Elders are to be viewed as a shelter, and sources of strength and protection in times of need, the definitions of “forces”.   The organization is your stronghold and place of refuge against the world.  If that is not an idol, tell me what is.  Dan 11:38
    “Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.” Dan 11:36
    You have already done this, by slandering the anointed “gods” (spirit sons of God) in comments made here on this forum. You, as a fake "priest" have exalted the organization over God’s Temple/Zion (Ezek 44:6-9) You do realize that most likely anointed could come through here to read.  I hope by your comments, they see the connection of the man of lawlessness/elder body/organization ruling and blaspheming the sanctuary/Temple of God.  1 Cor 3:16, 17; Rev 13:5-7.
    Any rival against God and what He builds, does not last. (Rev 13:4; 8:8; Zech 4:7) Any idol worshiped by God’s people, never brought salvation to them.  Their fall into idolatry only gained them affliction, famine, pestilence and destruction.    (Rev 18:8; 19:20)
    Zech 7:3-6 - Then the word of the Lord Almighty came to me: 5 “Ask all the people of the land and the priests (1 Pet 2:5,9),  ‘When you fasted and mourned in the fifth and seventh months for the past seventy years, was it really for me that you fasted? 6 And when you were eating and drinking, were you not just feasting for yourselves? 
    Exod 20: 3-6 – You shall have no other gods before Me.
    4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. “
    The organization mimics other organizations built “in the earth beneath”.  It is served, and bowed down to, by dedication at baptism.   (2 Cor 11:4,20; Rev 13:4,16)
    “For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”
    Can any of you truly say you love God, while condoning the trampling down of the members of the body of His Son?  Hypocrisy, which is shown by the exaltation of the elder body over the anointed ones of God's Temple/dwelling in spirit.  Mark 13:14
    He's not jealous for the “mountainlike organization” that men have built, but only for Mountain that He built on the anointed body of Christ. (John 2:19-21) The organization has no part in building Mount Zion, as its demonic purpose is to destroy it by seducing God’s anointed “living stones” to worship an idol. (Rev 12:1-4,15)  Only by the spirit of God in His Son, will it reach completion outside of the organization.  (Rev 16:12; Zech 4:7,13,14)
    2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her.” This is what the Lord says: “I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the Faithful City, and the mountain of the Lord Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain.”  Zech 8:2
    Rev 21:10
    People will make their choice, as you have, to either love the organization, or choose to love and give total devotion to God and Christ and his Truth.  You can’t love both, and expect to please God.  Matt 6:24; Joel 3:14
    I once did fall for propaganda, that the organization belonged to God.  As can be seen by xero's comment, forgetting about God's Word is easy to do, when putting the organization and men's doctrine on a pedestal.   Who is the "idiot" (said by xero), the one who chooses to serve the Father and the Son in "spirit and truth", (John 4:23,24) or the one who serves an organization, the work of man's hands, and  an idol of "men's devising"?  Acts 17:24,25,29
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    Ask yourself what version of God's Name is pushed the most by the worldly scholars - who are not necessary committed to the Truth but merely to call themselves experts?   
    The version they push will be the version pushed by Satan.  Keep in mind that Satan is behind the Jewish effort and Roman effort to have the name disappeared. 
    Just saying!  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to JW Insider in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    @Arauna has often pointed out that something she calls "hate OCD" will affect the ability of a person to tell the truth about another person's point of view when it disagrees (at least in part) with their own point of view. @Patiently waiting for Truth (John) has made several arguments that are wrong in my opinion. Yet he  has clearly made the point that the letter "J" was used prior to 1949. You create a false, "straw man" argument, something akin to a "lie" when you pretend that he claimed something different.
    Of course, it's so ludicrous to pretend that John claimed there was no letter J before 1949 that I wouldn't call it a lie. It's so obvious that you already know you are wrong that it falls under some other category. It's purposeful nonsense, just like claiming that Hitler is his hero.
    My best guess is that you were merely grasping at "strawmen" so that you can divert to the claim that "he is wrong" because that is easier for you than admitting that @Patiently waiting for Truth was correct at least on that one particular point about the Spanish monk, Raymund Martini. Even the Watchtower admits that John's information was right on that point.
    For a 70-some year old man, John sometimes comes across as childish. I'm sure that I, too, sometimes come across that way. But when it's obvious that I am responding childishly, I don't mind having it pointed out to me.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    Acutally it proves @Patiently waiting for Truth is wrong. The letter "J" was used prior to 1949.  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    So if the letter J existed then. It is now correct to use the J because you were born in 1949 or that your hero committed suicide from trying to exterminate the JEWS?
    If you don't like the English language then STOP using it JOHN. 
    But who else has white supremacy tendencies before 1949 JOHN?  Adolf Hilter and the Catholic Church.  So the JEWS had no right to live before 1949?  

     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Chioke Lin in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    Thanks for confirming the Watchtower article. Perhaps the monk I was thinking of in the 11th century is actually "Raymundo Martini" of the 12th century, far before the 16th century.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from C-D67 in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    http://www.yhwh.com/jehovah.htm
    A Detailed History of the name "Jehovah"
    Researched (and greatly appreciated) for The Church of Yahweh By Jeroen Ashton
    In 1278 a spanish monk, Raymundo Martini, wrote the latin work PUGIO FIDEI (Dagger of faith). In it he used the name of God, spelling it Yohoua. Later printings of this work, dated some centuries later, used the spelling JEHOVA.

    Soon after, in 1303, Porchetus de Salvaticis completed a work entitled VICTORIA PORCHETI AVERSUS IMPIOS HEBRAEOS (Porchetus' Victory Against the Ungodly Hebrews). He spells God's name IOHOUAH, IOHOUA and IHOUAH.

    Then, in 1518, Petrus Galatinus, a Catholic priest born in the late 1400's, published a work entitled DE ARCANIS CATHOLICAE VERITATIS (Concerning Secrets of the Universal Truth) in which he spelled God's name IEHOUA.

    Now, the direct answer to your question: the name "Jehovah" first appeared in an English BIBLE in 1530, when William Tyndale published a translation of the Chumash (the first five books of the Bible). In this, he included the name of God, usually spelled IEHOUAH, in several verses (Genesis 15:2; Exodus 6:3; 15:3; 17:6; 23:17; 33:19; 34:23; Deuteronomy 3:24. Tyndale also included God's name in Ezekiel 18:23 and 36:23 in his translations that were added at the end of THE NEW TESTAMENT, Antwerp, 1534), and in a note in this editon he wrote: "Iehovah is God's name... moreover as oft as thou seist LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing) is is in Hebrew Iehovah." (Please note as I told you previously, there was no "J" in English at this time; the J is a product of a stylized I; thus giving us the current Jehovah rather than the Old English Iehovah. The "u" used in the above names is also a reminder that there was no "v" in Old English, as you can read David in the original King James version was written "Dauid".)

    In 1534 Martin Luther published his complete translation of the Bible in German, based on the original languages. While he used the German "Herr" (Lord or Sir) for the Tetragrammaton, in a sermon which he delivered in 1526 on Jeremiah 23:1-8, he said, "The name Jehovah, Lord, belongs exclusively to the true God."

    Subsequently, Jehovah was used not only in the "Authorized" King James version of 1611, but the Spanish VALERA version of 1602, the Portugese ALMEIDA version of 1681, the German ELBERFELDER version of 1871, and the American Standard Version of 1901. It appears that the Jerusalem Bible was the first one to used Yahweh instead of Lord and Jehovah.
    ENCYCLOPÆDIA BRITANNICA 
    (used without permission)


    Yahweh 

    the God of the Israelites, his name being revealed to Moses as four Hebrew CONSONANTS (YHWH) CALLED THE TETRAGRAMMATON. AFTER THE EXILE (6TH CENTURY BC), and especially from the 3rd century BC on, Jews ceased to use the name Yahweh for two reasons. As Judaism became a universal religion through its proselytizing in the Greco-Roman world, the more common noun elohim, meaning "god," tended to replace Yahweh to demonstrate the universal sovereignty of Israel's God over all others. At the same time, the divine name was increasingly regarded as too sacred to be uttered; it was thus replaced vocally in the synagogue ritual by the Hebrew word Adonai ("My Lord"), which was translated as Kyrios ("Lord") in the Septuagint, the Greek version of the Old Testament.

    The Masoretes, who from about the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible, replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of the Hebrew words Adonai ("Lord", editor) or Elohim ("God", editor). Thus, the artificial name Jehovah (YeHoWaH) (emphasis ours, ed.) came into being. Although Christian scholars after the Renaissance and Reformation periods used the term Jehovah for YHWH, in the 19th and 20th centuries biblical scholars again began to use the form Yahweh. Early Christian writers, such as Clement of Alexandria in the 2nd century, had used a form like Yahweh, and this pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton was never really lost. Other Greek transcriptions also indicated that YHWH should be pronounced Yahweh.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Why, is rambo another one that you worship ?  Or is he one of the eight in disguise ? 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Pudgy in Bro Rando is a rogue jw, which jw's here believe in him?   
    Yes indeed, but I for one do not hide behind the JW org. At least you all know why I left the Org and why I dislike it so much. 
    Whomever it is, they just seek attention, so yes could easily be a GB member .  But they, like all of us, will be judged by Yeshua in due time. Meanwhile she/he/it could be frightening to new members here. 
    Peace and love to all, John 
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to BroRando in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    Interesting how (John) claims his/her/it/they is a made up and false name since it contains the lettter "J".
    No Jehovah No Jesus  No Jerusalem No John Isn't that RICH... JOHN slandering the Name of Jehovah and Jesus but not taking account of her own name...  Isn't that right Joanna?  Can anyone say HYPOCRITE? 
    JOHN [English equivalent of Jehohanan, meaning “Jehovah Has Shown Favor; Jehovah Has Been Gracious”].
    JOANNA (Jo·anʹna) [shortened feminine form of Jehohanan, meaning “Jehovah Has Shown Favor; Jehovah Has Been Gracious”].
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    Jeho-ram, Jeho-saphat, Jehoaikim, jehoi-ada; jeho-nadab; Jehonathan; Jehorab; Jeho-shua; 
     
    These are all names which have the name of Jeho-vah in them.
    Jah - is the short version of Jehovah's name such as in  - Hallelujah
    Then one also has names with the Jah in it - 
    Jah-aziel; and many other. 
     
    So the Israelite names should give you a good idea of the pronunciation of God's name!
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in The Erosion of Dogmatism with Common Sense!   
    …. There was a girl in India born with six arms, and worshipped as a goddess.
    Stuff Happens ….
    but not that often.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    CURRENCY and FAMILIARITY = MAN MADE TRADITION 
    CUSTOM = man made tradition.  
    And then JW org / GB / Watchtower, pretend to be 'no part of this world' SO WHY FOLLOW TRADITIONS OF MEN.
    we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity = MAN MADE TRADITION, or worse.
    Moreover, it preserves, equally with other forms, the four letters of the tetragrammaton JHVH.
    Now I was taught by JWs that YHWH was the four letters of the tetragrammaton.
    So one of them has to be a lie. 
    And all the time they admit that 
    While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah-weh'"  as the more correct way,
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    ……sigh …..
    You REALLY need a hobby.
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Witness in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    I'm sharing a quote from someone I have not been acquainted with.  She may or may not have been a JW. 
    There was a moment when Moses had the nerve to ask God what his name is. God was gracious enough to answer, and the name he gave is recorded in the original Hebrew as YHWH. 
    Over time we’ve arbitrarily added an “a” and an “e” in there to get YaHWeH, presumably because we have a preference for vowels.
    But scholars and Rabi’s have noted that the letters YHWH represent breathing sounds, or aspirated consonants. When pronounced without intervening vowels, it actually sounds like breathing.
    YH (inhale): WH (exhale).
    So a baby’s first cry, his first breath, speaks the name of God.
    A deep sigh calls His name – or a groan or gasp that is too heavy for mere words.
    Even an atheist would speak His name, unaware that their very breath is giving constant acknowledgment to God.
    Likewise, a person leaves this earth with their last breath, when God’s name is no longer filing their lungs.
    So when I can’t utter anything else, is my cry calling out His name?
    Being alive means I speak His name constantly.
    So, is it heard the loudest when I’m the quietest?
    In sadness, we breathe heavy sighs.
    In joy, our lungs feel almost like they will burst.
    In fear we hold our breath and have to be told to breathe slowly to help us calm down.
    When we’re about to do something hard, we take a deep breath to find our courage.
    When I think about it, breathing is giving him praise. Even in the hardest moments!
    This is so beautiful and fills me with emotion every time I grasp the thought. God chose to give himself a name that we can’t help but speak every moment we’re alive.
    All of us, always, everywhere.
    Waking, sleeping, breathing, with the name of God on our lips.
    written by - Sandra Thurman Caporale
     
    "So a baby’s first cry, his first breath, speaks the name of God."
    But then, we have the wisdom from the lips of your highly admired Governing Body member, Stephen Lett, who stated at the recent convention, that babies are born as enemies of God.  He said,
    “You hear people say of a little baby, ‘look at that little angel’, but more accurate would be to say, ‘look at that little enemy of God’”.
    God was incensed at the sacrificing of children in the fire by worshippers of Baal.  To His people, He said,
    “Say, ‘Hear the word of the Lord, kings of Judah and residents of Jerusalem. This is what the Lord of Armies, the God of Israel, says: I am going to bring such a disaster on this place that everyone who hears about it will shudder 
    4 “because they have abandoned me and made this a foreign place. They have burned incense in it to other gods that they, their ancestors, and the kings of Judah have never known.
     They have filled this place with the blood of the innocent. 
    5 They have built high places to Baal on which to burn their children in the fire as burnt offerings to Baal, something I have never commanded or mentioned; I never entertained the thought.”  Jer 19
    God’s word is “like fire”, (Jer 23:29) Satan’s word, the lying doctrine of men, is also like fire. It can consume and crush the word of God in our hearts and minds.  (Luke 8:11-14; Rev 13:11,13; Matt 24:24,25)
    Think, JWs; you, who believe that every living being outside of your “foreign place” is an enemy of God…tell me, who is the primary enemy of God?  It is Satan, who treats all people, all life, as his enemies, since he wants to destroy...just as you do; and just as easily as Stephen Lett made the declaration that all babies are enemies of God.  If this man was truly an ambassador of Christ, never would such a statement come out of his mouth.  We have the account of Jesus interacting with men, women and children. After reading his words, did any of you come away with the thought that Jesus viewed babies as his enemies?
    Matt 19:14 - Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
    On this forum are JWs who love to target exjws as ready for their burning hell; and supposedly you don’t even believe in a burning hell. They represent millions of JWs with the same belief.  You live in an organization that destroys families through disfellowshipping, destroys any possible love through that very act, that neglects the plea of a victim of abuse, yet supports the abuser; and you and your leaders revel in the promise of an Armageddon of bloodshed. Aside from the fact that you believe lies spoken by your leadership, are not really lies!  
    What’s next?  Baby baptism to save those little enemies from destruction in Armageddon?  Babies, born of your own people?  Babies, that must be indoctrinated and “sacrificed” to a god, the organization, and a “foreign place” never to have appeared in the history of God’s people until now?
    “Je hovah”, a god of ruin and destruction.
    YHVH/YHWH – “He causes to become”
    If your leaders revered the God of life, and His Son who is life, they would never have resorted to the “custom” of the nations by adopting the name, “Jehovah” to represent the true, Almighty Father and Giver of live.
    Daniel chapter 11 speaks of the Beast that tramples God’s holy saints (Rev 13:5-7)  – taking away their “daily sacrifice” and replacing them with sacrifices uttered from the mouths of false priests/ELDERS.  Sacrifices of praise given to a god of fortresses; your Watchtower organization. (Dan 11:31;8:11; Matt 24:15,16) 
    You are residing in the Wild Beast from the Sea – the “man of lawlessness” that “sits in the temple of God” where it doesn’t belong.  (Rev 13:1,2,5-7,18; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-3; Mark 13:14)
    “Then the king will do as he pleases and will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and he will speak monstrous things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been decreed must be accomplished.” Dan 11:36
    (“gods” – the sons of God, the anointed priests.  (s 82:6; John 10:34-36; Gal 3:26; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)
    “And in their place”  (in the place of the Temple/dwelling of God’s spirit, made of “living stones")
    “he will honor a god of fortresses—a god his fathers did not know with gold, silver, precious stones, and riches.” Dan 11:38
    Your donations toward the organization in the form of money, gold, silver, real estate… anything and everything is accepted and expected from each of you, to support the god of fortresses.
    29 “Is not my word like fire”—this is the Lord’s declaration—“and like a hammer that pulverizes rock? 30 Therefore, take note! I am against the prophets”—the Lord’s declaration—“who steal my words from each other. 31 I am against the prophets”—the Lord’s declaration—“who use their own tongues to make a declaration. 32 I am against those who prophesy false dreams”—the Lord’s declaration—“telling them and leading my people astray with their reckless lies. It was not I who sent or commanded them, and they are of no benefit at all to these people”—this is the Lord’s declaration.”  Jer 23
    Through your doctrines of men, you are abandoning the God of life, and have adopted the god of destruction.
    I’m telling all of you, get out of there, before it’s too late. Rev 18:4-8
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to The Librarian in Searching for the earliest mention of the Israelite god, "Yahweh" (Tetragrammaton) aka "Jehovah" in Modern English   
    "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Arauna in Searching for the earliest mention of the Israelite god, "Yahweh" (Tetragrammaton) aka "Jehovah" in Modern English   
    This archeologist in the video gave the reading of it as he learnt it.  NO scholar knows the true pronunciation of hieroglyphs before 500 BCE.  They are using the Hellenistic  pronunciation of it which was deciphered off of the Rosetta Stone. Rosetta stone dates from 2nd century BCE.
    There are usually BIG changes in languages over 1200 years.  (1500 BCE to 200 BCE).  Look at the English pronunciation today and compare it to the pronunciation of Shakespearian English in Elizabethan era (only 400 years ago).  
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to Pudgy in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    If the perceived ambiguity of God’s name is a problem to you, simply refer to or address the true God of the Bible as “The True God of the Bible.”

    …… Problem solved!
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    Patiently waiting for Truth reacted to The Librarian in Patiently Waiting For Truth wants to discuss his take on my post: Searching for the earliest mention of the Israelite god, "Yahweh" (Tetragrammaton) aka "Jehovah" in Modern English   
    @Patiently waiting for Truth This is your thread to tell the world what you think of JW.org.
    Please leave other subjects threads alone (stick to the topic at hand)
    I'm surprised you don't get tired of spouting off the hatred daily...  
    If you feel a certain way... make your post and add any additional thoughts to it.... don't twist every other topic to somehow relate to your hatred of a certain religion.
     
    @Peter Carroll Chill on the website spamming please. We all already know where to find Jehovah's witnesses... @ jw.org   your spam is not helping us look any better. (especially on every single thread you touch).
     
    Share ideas, thoughts and opinions..... not websites.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Truth got a reaction from Arauna in “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”?   
    *** New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, 1950, Foreword, p.25 ***
    While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah-weh'"  as the more correct way,
    But Mr Carroll still advertises the company name. 
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