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Exactly, going by the Bible’s standards if nothing can change your brother or sisters stance on their sin by speaking to them in private or by having two or three go along with you yet they still don’t change, you’re then supposed to tell it to the whole church. The whole church would include women participating in the judicial process: https://biblia.com/bible/niv/matthew/18/15-17 But the far greater sin of a JW is not involving the saints that God chose in any of the judicial processes which involve actual forgiving or not forgiving sins, but rather 3 commoners take on the matter in a secret room: “Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints?” 1 Corinthians 6:1 And of course we know, once God anoints someone as a saint “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians. 3:28 The priests are all of one body, male or female, they make up one body and are who Jesus put in charge of forgiving or not forgiving sins, but they are overlooked, actually, the proper word would be “trampled” (Luke 21:24; Revelation 11:2). “And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” John 20:22-23

You’re pretty uneducated, the “Jehovahs Witness brotherhood” believe every sign Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 is literal.

Death spoken here is spiritual. It’s being thrown out of the synagogues/Kingdom Halls, shunned. We gotta remember, Revelation is symbolic and spoken in signs. It about the anointed and their JW’s friends that don’t fear being disfellowshipped while losing their lives in the organization for speaking the truth in their congregations. They loved the truth more than their status, more than keeping their friends or any love of their family in organization (Matthew 10:37; Luke 14:26; Philippians 3:7-9). “They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God.” John 16:2 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death [once you are put the death you will be shunned and hated], and you will be hated by all nations for my name's sake.” Matthew 24:9 Taking a bullet to the head is the easy way out. If Putin were an enemy that would be great, but he’s just a distraction. Satan knows being called trash for the rest of your life till’ you’re physically dead for speaking the truth to an organization is much, much harsher on the back, he’s a master at this. “We appeal gently when evil things are said about us. Yet we are treated like the world’s garbage, like everybody’s trash—right up to the present moment.” 1 Corinthians 4:13

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Their mountain will be leveled “What are you, mighty mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become level ground. Then he will bring out the capstone to shouts of ‘God bless it! God bless it!’” Zech 4:7 “Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain.” Isa 40:4 that they took refuge in “Then they will begin to say to the mountains, ‘Fall on us,’ and to the hills, ‘Cover us.’” Luke 23:30 which cannot save them “Let’s see if your idols can save you when you cry to them for help. Why, a puff of wind can knock them down! If you just breathe on them, they fall over! But whoever trusts in me will inherit the land and possess my holy mountain.” Isa 57:13

I’ve found tons are. It’s hard to reason with a broken soul that’s been ripped apart mentally by false predictions and false teachers. I have found though, Christ’s words paralleled with Paul’s comforting to some. Matthew 24:48-49 Jesus spoke of a wicked steward (a governing body), who Paul sternly spoke of a specific announcement from these men to not believe, that without a doubt will cause many to be stumbled. (Matthew 24:11) It’s 1914. These men would lie saying the day of the lord arrived back then. These men would say the man of lawlessness sits in a counterfeit temple and is Christendom. It is the man of lawlessness who is in the organization and sits in judicial meetings disfellowshipping everyone who questions the governing bodies false predictions. Imagine that, asking questions will get you DF’d. This is without question going to cause many to be stumbled (Matthew 24:11). 2 Thessalonians 2: Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2 "BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20 Don’t be fooled by what they [the governing body] say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed—the one who brings destruction. He will exalt himself and defy everything that people call god and every object of worship. He will even sit in the temple of God, claiming that he himself is God.“ 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

"The LORD will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Foreigners will join them and unite with the descendants of Jacob (Zech 8:23). Nations will take them and bring them to their own place. And Israel will take possession of the nations and make them male and female servants in the LORD’s land. They will make captives of their captors and rule over their oppressors. (Revelation 3:9b: —I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.)" Isaiah 14:1-2 “This is what the LORD says: “’I will restore the fortunes of Jacob’s tents and have compassion on his dwellings; the city will be rebuilt on her ruins, and the palace will stand in its proper place." Jeremiah 30:18 "The LORD will restore the splendor of Jacob like the splendor of Israel, though destroyers (2 Thess 2:3) have laid them waste and have ruined their vines." Nahum 2:2

“For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the LORD Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth.” Mal 2:7 This elder depicted teaching what appears to be the lie of 1914 obviously isn’t a priest, he’s just a gentile, but he doesn’t care nor does that stop him from defiling the temple (1 Cor 3:17). He abolishes the daily sacrifice of praise from the priesthood with ease, without even batting an eye (Dan 11:31), while being a full fledged man of lawlessness he exalts himself above even the prophets (2 thess 2:4). Does any of this brother him? Not in the least. In ancient Israel’s day he’d be put to death for doing this: “but an unauthorized person who comes near the sanctuary will be put to death.” Num 18:7b But hey, look at the bright side, everything is going according to Gods plan… It’s been decreed: “I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’” Isa 46:10 Hold onto your crown, it isn’t too much longer. Rev 3:11

I always found it amusing how watchtower leadership, claiming they are anointed, feel it’s ok to lie like a rug and still feel worthy to be accepted into the 144,000, even though Revelation 14:5 clearly says: “No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.”

If I may, God always sends prophets to warn Israel of their impending judgment, but they never paid attention: “God sent prophets to straighten them out, warning of judgment. But nobody paid attention.” 2 chronicles 24:19 God uses the same tactic today as he has sent prophets again and again to warn the governing body to turn from their wicked ways, but they do not listen: “Time after time I sent you prophets, who told you, “Turn from your wicked ways, and start doing things right. Stop worshiping other gods so that you might live in peace here in the land I have given to you and your ancestors.” But you would not listen to me or obey me.” Jeremiah 35:15 Why don’t they listen? Because, they feel exactly as you’ve said, “if Jehovah wants us to change then He will change us”, but they completely fail to recognize exactly how God works. God sends prophets, they’ve rejected the prophets. Therefor, Jesus has given the governing body time to repent, but they are unwilling (Rev 2:21). This is their future if they do not change: “Therefore, I will bring upon you all the disasters I have announced. Prepare to meet your God in judgment, you people of Israel!” Amos 4:12

That guilt will also include every single JW that continues to seek guidance from the governing body: ”False prophets and those who seek their guidance will all be punished for their sins.” Ezekiel 14:10 Because of false predictions God was against the prophets of Israel. 'This is what the Almighty LORD says: Your predictions are false, and your visions are lies. That is why I'm against you, declares the Almighty LORD.” Ezekiel 13:8 and God doesn’t change (Numbers 23:19), so by connecting the dots we can see who God is against today.

Not a misstep, they actually tried to change Gods “times and laws”. It finishes in Acts 1:7 when “He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.” That being said, these men believed they can “calculate” when the kingdom would be restored, they actually thought they had knowledge superior to the original disciples to know these “times and dates” by twisting Daniels 7 times to equate 2520 physical years, changing “times and laws”: “He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time.” Dan 7:25 They’ve painted themselves into a corner while obligated to say in their heart “my master delays”, beating anyone who disagrees with them. Matthew 24:48-49.

That’s an excellent question. I like the parable of the Good Samaritan. When in doubt I believe it sets the best example that Jesus gave. Just replace man lying half dead on the street with gay person (Luke 10:25-37). Out of the priest and the Levite who shunned their neighbor, the Samaritan was the only one Jesus commended that didn’t shun his neighbor lying half dead on the street. He had mercy on the man, cared for him. Jesus never went onto say whether the beaten man was gay or straight, it didn’t matter, the Samaritan not only helped the injured man, he showed love for him regardless. That is the one who Jesus Christ said will inherit eternal life. 25 “On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 27 “He answered, “’Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 29 “But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” Luke 10:25-29 We all have gay neighbors. “For the entire Law has been fulfilled in one commandment, namely: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Galatians 5:14 If we wish to inherit eternal life, we must love them. Anything else and we would fulfill the prophecy of having no natural affection, shunning (2 Timothy 3:3).

The whole judicial process of 3 men taking you in the back room in secret is unbiblical. If after going to your brother or sister about their “problem” doesn’t work (Matthew 18:15), and after taking two others along and taking to them about said “problem” still doesn’t work (Matthew 18:16); then the church is to be involved in the matter: “If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.” Matthew 18:17. Well, who is “the church”? The church the Body of Christ: “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I do my share on behalf of His body, which is the church, in filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions.” Colossians 1:24 “He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.” Colossians 1:18 When was the last time an anointed was involved in a judicial matter? All these judicial matters are supposed to be brought before the anointed body of Christ before any decision is made. Does this happen? No. Instead they get 3 men to judge you in secret. The only trial ever recorded in the Bible which was done in secret was the trial of Jesus Christ. “For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret.” Ephesians 5:12

That’s one of the biggest conundrums for Watchtower. They claim Christendom/false religion is Babylon The Great and all “Gods People” were somehow in there and “came out of her” by coming into their organization, but the fact is, none of them were adopted as Gods sons/people until they came INTO the JW organization, so where do Gods anointed people stand when the trumpet is blown to come out of her (Revelation 18:4)? They’re in the organization. The woman fleeing to the wilderness is because they see the idolatry happening inside the organization. Paul says to “flee from idolatry”- 1 Cor 10:14. Contrary to watchtowers beliefs, the trumpet wasn’t blown in 1914. Babylon the Great is the covenant of death: For you men say: “We have made a covenant with Death, And with the Grave we have made an agreement” Isaiah 28:15 Jerusalem is the covenant of life: But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Gal 4:26 The anointed that stay inside that organization break the covenant with life and solidify themselves as the clay [anointed are the clay] of the feet of the image of Daniel, they made a covenant with death: “Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8 “its legs were of iron, and its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay” Daniel 2:33 As long as the anointed stay as part of the feet of Daniels image, they are part of Babylon the Great. In Rev 17:3-5 you can see all of Babylon The Greats people have “her name” stamped on their forehead. Jerusalem/the anointed have their owners name on their forehead Rev 3:12. The Kingdom wasn’t born in 1914. According to Matthew 24:8 “All these are the beginning of birth pains.” We know that when a woman gives birth (birth to anything, babies, the kingdom etc) all the birth pains immediately stop. Watchtower changed Matthew 24:8 to read “all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress” completely twisting the meaning to fit the kingdom being born first and then birth pangs start, which is nonsense. Much of this, if not all, is already published on @Witness website which is a pretty fascinating read. According to Paul and the Bible, these men were the ones he said to watch out for that would be proclaiming a fraudulent Christ’s presence/the lords day before it happens. This was all prophesied, which happened in 1914. "Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2 "BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20

The gentile times are 42 months and happen in the lords day, not 2520 years prior. “By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet” Revelation 1:10 That’s when John saw Jerusalem being trampled for a symbolic 42 months: “But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city [the anointed] underfoot for 42 months” Revelation 11:2 The apostles asked when will these things actually be: “Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be [future tense], and what will be the sign when these things are to occur?” Luke 21:7 Jesus was informing his apostles that all these things will happen during the Lords day/Jesus presence/parousia. One of the signs of Jesus presence is that Jerusalem/the anointed are being trampled… “They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be [future tense] trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled [gentile times are 42 months].” Luke 21:24. This is harmonious with Revelation 11:2.

That’s like a Canaanite taking the emblems and proclaiming they’re anointed by Ba’al, it doesn’t work, nor even mean it’s the genuine temple Paul was speaking of. Paul spoke of one temple, the anointed body of Christ which is currently only present in the organization of JW’s and is the only one Jesus Christ will even recognize at his coming. The governing body and their weapon of elders do this very well.

You raise extremely valid questions. There is no cleaning that organization. As Srecko pointed out Job 14:4 “Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one!” The disgusting thing standing in the holy place is the same entity as the man of lawlessness sitting in the temple. “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing (2 Thess 2:4- Man of Lawlessness) that causes desolation (Dan 12:11) as spoken about by Daniel the prophet (Dan 11:31), standing in a holy place (1 Cor 3:16 - The Temple), (let the reader use discernment),” - Mt 24:15 When you discern it, Jesus told us to flee. “then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.” Mt 24:16 This is why the woman/anointed body of Christ flees to the wilderness. “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days” Rev 12:6 Gotta flee Babylon The Great (Rev 18:4). I can’t speak for others, but I believe the anointed are inside the JW organization because there comes a time when certain individuals “advanced over the whole earth [door knocking, proclaiming Luke 21:8] and encircled the camp of the holy ones”. 9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones/anointed and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them.” Rev 20:7-9 I believe Gog and Ma’gog aren’t political entities, but rather a religious organization that goes door to door.

When did this happen? When organized religion became an empire in the second and third centuries CE. Where does the temple lay right now? It's in the organization of jw's. When Jesus comes back the man of lawlessness will be presently sitting in the temple, not sitting in the temple of anointed almost 2000 years ago. He sits in the temple of today, right at this moment. That is when Jesus exposes him and destroys him. It's at his coming. "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8

The man of lawlessness sits in the temple of God: “He stands in opposition and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god.” 2 Thessalonians 2:4 The temple are the anointed: “Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that the spirit of God dwells in you?” 1 Cor 3:16 By suggesting the man of lawlessness sits in false religion, that would mean the true temple of the anointed body of Christ are all residing in false religion/Christendom. That would be a serious problem. The man of lawlessness sits in the organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses because the organization holds every single temple member right now.

Here’s another one on top of that. This is how JW’s are told to truly feel about us: “Jesus encouraged his followers to love their enemies, but God's Word also says to "hate what is bad." When a person persists in a way of badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of his make-up, then in order to hate what is bad a Christian must hate the person with whom the badness is inseparably linked. Indicating that Jesus did not mean for us to love the hardened enemies of Jehovah, David expressed this God-approved attitude: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies."- Matt. 5:44; Amos 5:15; Ps. 139:21, 22. - Watchtower 1961 July 15 p.420 What does Gods word equate hate to? “Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.” John 3:15 Their very own leadership is telling them to become murderers.

I take comfort in that Psalm, thank you. I also take comfort in the time prophesied when Jesus Christ comes back and brings joy to Christ's brothers and sisters who have wrongfully been disfellowshipped for stating nothing but truth, and shame upon those who lawlessly disfellowshipped them. “Hear the word of Jehovah, you who tremble at his word: “Your brothers who hate you and exclude you [disfellowship you] because of my name said, ‘May Jehovah be glorified! ’But He [Jesus Christ] will appear and bring you joy, And they [The men who have disfellowshipped Christ's brothers] are the ones who will be put to shame.” Isaiah 66:5 Being persecuted by Spiritual Israel isn’t so bad, it’s got it’s perks.

You are in good company. 22 “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.” Luke 6:22-23

I saw Bob this morning. Yep, good ol’ Bob. He said he saw Carl all dressed up in a suit and tie having coffee at the same table with the king of the south telling lies to each other. Man said they were to invade the land of decoration after going out in service, or letter writing rather. I couldn’t believe it! That rat!